Very nice! My favorite so far. Now if you were to make the lao logo b&w, and the subtitle smaller and with black edges (instead of brownish/goldish), I would say it was perfect ;-) Best wishes, Ico

Thorsten Wilms wrote: Hi Thorsten, I like the graphics a lot, it's a great design. However, IMO the text "washes out" against the light background. Have you tried filling the letters with color(s) ? Just my two drachmas. Best, dp

i like 06 more than 07. i agree about the subtitles, and regarding the outlines, i prefer the 06 ones, however perhaps with some tango/firefoxish styling (bright inline) to improve contrast, the text would be even better. On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 12:56 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: -- Leonard Ritter -- Freelance Art & Logic -- http://www.leonard-ritter.com

Couple of quick mock-ups with suggestions: http://ico.bukvic.net/Temp/Lao/mil1.jpg This one is a combination of your earlier designs and the latest one. http://ico.bukvic.net/Temp/Lao/mil2.jpg Less dark than 1, fixed "M" (personally, I don't like how wide M is in current designs), more "power" from Tux Power. I would probably like even smaller subititle. Also, having the title not across the entire screen but rather in a corner might be an interesting option, i.e.: http://ico.bukvic.net/Temp/Lao/mil3.jpg Best wishes, Ico

DOH! I meant http://ico.bukvic.net/Temp/Lao/mil4.jpg Ico

This was *an idea*, not a print-ready version. It was meant to start the creative juices flowing, not to answer all logistical questions associated with such an idea... Hey, better late than never. FWIW number 1 is also "iffy." I'd much rather see it as the small letter "l" of this font, but this is obviously not possible when you have "l" in Vol. right next to it which would make it look silly... Still, that fact unfortunately does nothing to improve my liking of the number 1's appearance... I can't because more I think about the subtitle, which is nowcoupled by its overemphasis IMHO smells of "bling over substance" which means we are shooting ourselves in the foot. But then again, that is probably just me. All that being said, I still feel that the "Tux Power" font you are proposing and/or color simply do not do much for me. I would rather look at it from the perspective "we care so much that we decided to redo the cover, and if we already decided to go that far, we should not settle for anything less but perfection." Best wishes, Ico

Thorsten, I think it is all in the way how it is packaged. So, in other words, yes there should be a subtitle, but not in the way it is being presented right now. "A majority" sounds good to me. Given that there have been several comments against the current fonts/title style, mine included, I would say that would be a valid point of reference, no? I truly appreciate that from your perspective. However, please also understand that while your efforts and contributions to the consortium are most appreciated, given that it is my job to represent the interests of linuxaudio.org, even if you feel that your time does not allow any more work on this project I cannot simply agree to leave something half-baked. I may be nit-picky (probably am), but that is for two good reasons: 1) I am not the only one proposing changes that have been presented, meaning I am doing my best to represent the community and as such serve interests of the community as a whole 2) this design is *the* foundation for all future designs and if this one is done inadequately (especially title-wise), that would mean all future ones would suffer from it too. Hence, if you feel that you do not have any more time to work on this (which is totally understandable given that there is no tangible compensation we can provide you with at this time other than giving you credit and our own heartfelt gratitude for your contributions), provided you don't have any objections, I would like to propose taking the design in its current state which you have generously provided, and soliciting more proposals from others who may have more time to deal with revisions and bring the project to its favorable completion. We would, naturally, still give you credit where credit is due. Obviously, this decision is yours and yours alone to make, and thus it will be also respected as such. To make things easier, we could simply treat the background image as "the design" portion of the CD cover while text would be something static and hence, not regarded as "part of the design." This way you would still get the full credit for CD sleeve design without having to deal with all the overhead of dealing with fonts, titles, subtitles, etc. Best wishes, Ico