8 Dec
2022
8 Dec
'22
4:42 p.m.
Dear all,
As of February 1st 2023 all linuxaudio.org data has to be moved away
from our current hoster. Out of courtesy it has been running for free on
Fuga's Openstack platform for almost 5 years (for which I owe them
endless gratitude, thanks Fuga!) but the region linuxaudio.org is
running in is going to be removed. We are offered a very fair discount
when we are to move to another Fuga region but unfortunately that would
still get rather expensive, despite the discount.
So I'd like to propose moving to Hetzner. I'm already backing up the
complete linuxaudio.org archive in their object store and it would be
relatively easy to spin up an instance or two (one for web and one for
mail) at Hetzner and couple it to the existing object store. Hetzner is
also one of the very few providers that allow for running your own mail
server which would also mean we would be freed from our current mail
gateway (which we don't have control over, it's a closed source black
box, iow, I don't like it :D).
Drawback will be that it's going to cost us. It won't be much, in the
order of €50 to €100 per year, and personally I won't mind to pay in
advance for the moment, I already do so for the linuxaudio.org domain
name and the current backups. But maybe we could think about setting
something up for donations.
Feedback? Suggestions? Objections? Other ideas? Shoot! Bear in mind
though that I'm pretty determined to move to Hetzner, they're reliable,
cheap, easy to work with and EU based.
Best,
Jeremy
8 Dec
8 Dec
5:54 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 03:42:17PM +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Drawback will be that it's going to cost us. It
won't be much, in the order
of €50 to €100 per year, and personally I won't mind to pay in advance for
the moment, I already do so for the linuxaudio.org domain name and the
current backups. But maybe we could think about setting something up for
donations.
I've been using two servers, 'linuxaudio.org' (web1) for the kokkinizita
website, and 'mail.linuxaudio.org' (mail1) for mail. For the latter I
just ssh and run mutt there. I really like that system.
So first of all, thanks to all involved for providing that service during
the past years.
If something similar is set up on Hetzner I see no problem at all with
paying 50 Euros per year. The only thing that would matter is that
the transition is without hickups since I really rely on email to
provide support for things like e.g. the calibration service for Core
Sound mics.
Feedback? Suggestions? Objections? Other ideas? Shoot!
Bear in mind though
that I'm pretty determined to move to Hetzner, they're reliable, cheap, easy
to work with and EU based.
The alternative may be Linode, but I have no preference.
Kind regards,
--
FA
6:39 p.m.
Hello Fons,
I'll take a look at Linode, thanks!
Jeremy
I've been using two servers,
'linuxaudio.org' (web1) for the kokkinizita
website, and 'mail.linuxaudio.org' (mail1) for mail. For the latter I
just ssh and run mutt there. I really like that system.
Good to hear! Expect a continuation, or maybe I'll merge the two systems
from a cost perspective, should not make a real difference, maybe that
would even be more convenient. I'll stick to Debian so no big changes
there either.
So first of all, thanks to all involved for providing
that service during
the past years.
If something similar is set up on Hetzner I see no problem at all with
paying 50 Euros per year. The only thing that would matter is that
the transition is without hickups since I really rely on email to
provide support for things like e.g. the calibration service for Core
Sound mics.
I intend to do it as smoothly as possible. Sync everything, test, test,
test, lower TTL of DNS records, update records and up TTL again.
Feedback?
Suggestions? Objections? Other ideas? Shoot! Bear in mind though
that I'm pretty determined to move to Hetzner, they're reliable, cheap, easy
to work with and EU based.
The alternative may be Linode, but I have no preference.
6:44 p.m.
On 12/8/22 15:42, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Drawback will be that it's going to cost us. It
won't be much, in the
order of €50 to €100 per year, and personally I won't mind to pay in
advance for the moment, I already do so for the linuxaudio.org domain
name and the current backups. But maybe we could think about setting
something up for donations.
Count me in. I can also send you something via IBAN directly.
Thank you for you continued effort to keep the system up and running!
--
robin
7:28 p.m.
This sounds like a great opportunity to revisit our summer thread. We
have allowed ample time for people to come forward and nominate others for
this role. I honestly do not recall if the same message percolated through
our other LA* lists, but this is something we can always revisit at a later
date. We need to do some housekeeping first.
As it stands right now, I see great involvement and commitment from Jeremy
and Robin. I also think that leadership should not be equal to sysadmin. It
is too much work for one person. I also saw thoughtful responses from Fons
(copying all whose names are uttered--please pardon the added email
traffic, not sure who still is on the consortium list), Nils, and then
there also Dave who has been one of the pillars of this community. Granted,
recently he has transitioned onto a darker side (Mac), but at least he is
still in the *nix land :-). Lastly, there is Daniel James who started this
all. Last I spoke with him, he did not have the bandwidth to take over. Out
of respect for his contributions and in hope he may offer some of his
wisdom in this matter, I am also copying him on this thread.
At any rate, my recommendation is to start with this pool of people to form
the initial working group. I am happy to start the ball rolling (I guess I
already am) and remain on this list and provide my 5-cents worth where it
may prove helpful. Aside from that, I'll happily and quietly continue to
observe from the sidelines.
Best,
Ico
--
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Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
ico(a)vt.edu
ci.icat.vt.edu
l2ork.icat.vt.edu
ico.bukvic.net
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 11:44 AM Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
On 12/8/22 15:42, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Drawback will be that it's going to cost us.
It won't be much, in the
order of €50 to €100 per year, and personally I won't mind to pay in
advance for the moment, I already do so for the linuxaudio.org domain
name and the current backups. But maybe we could think about setting
something up for donations.
Count me in. I can also send you something via IBAN directly.
Thank you for you continued effort to keep the system up and running!
--
robin
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9 Dec
9 Dec
2:22 p.m.
Hi Ico,
Thanks for asking for my input. I've been out of the software world
completely since 2018, but it seems to me the best bet might be for you
(as a fellow academic) to ask the University of Oregon Open Source Lab
for hosting:
https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/
They accept donations towards their hosting costs, which seems more
sustainable to me than running a separate crowd-funding campaign for
linuxaudio.org alone.
Cheers!
Daniel
On 08/12/2022 5:27 pm, Ico Bukvic wrote:
This sounds like a great opportunity to revisit our
summer thread. We
have allowed ample time for people to come forward and nominate others
for this role. I honestly do not recall if the same message percolated
through our other LA* lists, but this is something we can always revisit
at a later date. We need to do some housekeeping first.
As it stands right now, I see great involvement and commitment from
Jeremy and Robin. I also think that leadership should not be equal to
sysadmin. It is too much work for one person. I also saw thoughtful
responses from Fons (copying all whose names are uttered--please pardon
the added email traffic, not sure who still is on the consortium list),
Nils, and then there also Dave who has been one of the pillars of this
community. Granted, recently he has transitioned onto a darker side
(Mac), but at least he is still in the *nix land :-). Lastly, there is
Daniel James who started this all. Last I spoke with him, he did not
have the bandwidth to take over. Out of respect for his contributions
and in hope he may offer some of his wisdom in this matter, I am also
copying him on this thread.
At any rate, my recommendation is to start with this pool of people to
form the initial working group. I am happy to start the ball rolling (I
guess I already am) and remain on this list and provide my 5-cents worth
where it may prove helpful. Aside from that, I'll happily and quietly
continue to observe from the sidelines.
Best,
Ico
--
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
ico(a)vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>
ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
ico.bukvic.net
<http://ico.bukvic.net>
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 11:44 AM Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org
<mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote:
On 12/8/22 15:42, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
--
Cheers!
Daniel
Drawback will be that it's going to cost us.
It won't be much, in
the
order of €50 to €100 per year, and personally I
won't mind to pay in
advance for the moment, I already do so for the linuxaudio.org
<http://linuxaudio.org> domain
name and the current backups. But maybe we could
think about setting
something up for donations.
Count me in. I can also send you something via IBAN directly.
Thank you for you continued effort to keep the system up and running!
--
robin
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8 Dec
8 Dec
8:27 p.m.
Hi,
I would be more than happy to donate for one year (up to 100 Euros)
since you have kindly mirrored AV Linux there for many years. Please let
me know the details and how and when you would like payment processed.
Also a huge thanks for your past, present and future efforts.
Glen
---
On 2022-12-08 09:42, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Dear all,
As of February 1st 2023 all linuxaudio.org data has to be moved away
from our current hoster. Out of courtesy it has been running for free
on Fuga's Openstack platform for almost 5 years (for which I owe them
endless gratitude, thanks Fuga!) but the region linuxaudio.org is
running in is going to be removed. We are offered a very fair discount
when we are to move to another Fuga region but unfortunately that
would still get rather expensive, despite the discount.
So I'd like to propose moving to Hetzner. I'm already backing up the
complete linuxaudio.org archive in their object store and it would be
relatively easy to spin up an instance or two (one for web and one for
mail) at Hetzner and couple it to the existing object store. Hetzner
is also one of the very few providers that allow for running your own
mail server which would also mean we would be freed from our current
mail gateway (which we don't have control over, it's a closed source
black box, iow, I don't like it :D).
Drawback will be that it's going to cost us. It won't be much, in the
order of €50 to €100 per year, and personally I won't mind to pay in
advance for the moment, I already do so for the linuxaudio.org domain
name and the current backups. But maybe we could think about setting
something up for donations.
Feedback? Suggestions? Objections? Other ideas? Shoot! Bear in mind
though that I'm pretty determined to move to Hetzner, they're
reliable, cheap, easy to work with and EU based.
Best,
Jeremy
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9:12 p.m.
Also happy to put my hand in my pocket if asked.
--
Will J Godfrey {apparently now an 'elderly'}
11:21 p.m.
On 12/8/22 15:42, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
So I'd like to propose moving to Hetzner.
I've been running a root server with them for more than 10 years now,
and I'm very happy. If it helps, I could provide a virtual machine with
full root access on very short notice, but I'm out of IPv4 addresses...
don't know if that would make sense?
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Tuinbouwstraat 180, 1097 ZB Amsterdam, Nederland
Tel. +49 177 7937487
Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio), Tonmeister VDT
http://stackingdwarves.net
9 Dec
9 Dec
11:04 a.m.
Hello Jörn,
On 08-12-2022 22:21, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
On 12/8/22 15:42, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Thanks for the offer but no need to move quickly. And i already have an
account so I if needed I could spin up an instance myself.
Jeremy
So I'd like to propose moving to Hetzner.
I've been running a root server with them for more than 10 years now,
and I'm very happy. If it helps, I could provide a virtual machine with
full root access on very short notice, but I'm out of IPv4 addresses...
don't know if that would make sense?
12 Dec
12 Dec
6:03 p.m.
Thanks everyone for the support and the willingness to contribute in the
costs! I will first have to calculate what the costs will be exactly and
then I will let you know how I could facilitate eventual contributions.
All in all, many thanks already!
Jeremy
10:35 p.m.
Count me in as well. Can't promise large sums but I'm willing to offer some
support.
Cheers,
Marc
On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 17:04, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>
wrote:
Thanks everyone for the support and the willingness to
contribute in the
costs! I will first have to calculate what the costs will be exactly and
then I will let you know how I could facilitate eventual contributions.
All in all, many thanks already!
Jeremy
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13 Dec
13 Dec
2:13 a.m.
I just wanted to also offer that I could chip in a couple of dollars or
so. It may not be much, but I would be glad to support! Just let me know
when the time comes where and how to send money to.
Brandon Hale
On 12/12/22 3:35 PM, Marc Groenewegen wrote:
Count me in as well. Can't promise large sums but
I'm willing to offer
some support.
Cheers,
Marc
On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 17:04, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>
wrote:
Thanks everyone for the support and the willingness to contribute
in the
costs! I will first have to calculate what the costs will be
exactly and
then I will let you know how I could facilitate eventual
contributions.
All in all, many thanks already!
Jeremy
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12 Dec
12 Dec
11:15 p.m.
Not sure if you saw Daniel's suggestion. What about Oregon free hosting?
https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/
Best,
Ico
--
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Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
ico(a)vt.edu
ci.icat.vt.edu
l2ork.icat.vt.edu
ico.bukvic.net
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 11:03 AM Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>
wrote:
Thanks everyone for the support and the willingness to
contribute in the
costs! I will first have to calculate what the costs will be exactly and
then I will let you know how I could facilitate eventual contributions.
All in all, many thanks already!
Jeremy
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13 Dec
13 Dec
12:03 p.m.
Hello Ico,
On 12-12-2022 22:15, Ico Bukvic wrote:
Not sure if you saw Daniel's suggestion. What
about Oregon free hosting?
https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/
Looking at it right now! Great suggestion, thanks!
Jeremy
12:17 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:03:14AM +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 12-12-2022 22:15, Ico Bukvic wrote:
- Given the academic context, there may be unexpected restrictions.
The use policy states:
When granted use of a computing resource at OSUOSL, it is expected
that the resource will only be used for the specific use or project
that was represented when use of the resource was granted. If the
scope or purpose of the project changes at any time, you must
contact OSUOSL immediately to inform us of such a change.
- We don't have a single well defined project to start with.
- The privacy policy link produces a 404, not a good sign.
- Data protection in the US is a minefield.
I'd really prefer a commercial and EU based solution. The cost doesn't
seem to be problem.
--
FA
Not sure if you saw Daniel's suggestion. What
about Oregon free hosting?
https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/
Looking at it right now! Great suggestion, thanks!
5:06 p.m.
No strong feelings here. That said, recent requests to redact emails from
the mailing lists is something that is not required in the US and is
EU-specific. That alone makes me think things are likely less admin-heavy
on this side of the pond.
I also know of a project that has been on Oregon's hosting for ~6 years
without any problems. 404s are unnerving, nonetheless.
Best,
Ico
--
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Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
ico(a)vt.edu
ci.icat.vt.edu
l2ork.icat.vt.edu
ico.bukvic.net
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 5:17 AM Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:03:14AM +0100, Jeremy
Jongepier wrote:
On 12-12-2022 22:15, Ico Bukvic wrote:
> Not sure if you saw Daniel's suggestion. What about Oregon free
hosting?
Looking at it right now! Great suggestion, thanks!
- Given the academic context, there may be unexpected restrictions.
The use policy states:
When granted use of a computing resource at OSUOSL, it is expected
that the resource will only be used for the specific use or project
that was represented when use of the resource was granted. If the
scope or purpose of the project changes at any time, you must
contact OSUOSL immediately to inform us of such a change.
- We don't have a single well defined project to start with.
- The privacy policy link produces a 404, not a good sign.
- Data protection in the US is a minefield.
I'd really prefer a commercial and EU based solution. The cost doesn't
seem to be problem.
--
FA
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6:06 p.m.
One of the mailing list subscribers invoked their right to erasure as
specified in EU's Article 17 of the General Data Protection Regulation.
This meant that Jeremy and Robin? had to dig through various mentions of
their name and anonymize them. To me this, if it gets out of hand, could
have profound ramifications on the content stored in mailing lists and
other online resources. US, as far as I can tell, has no such provisions.
Best,
Ico
--
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Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
ico(a)vt.edu
ci.icat.vt.edu
l2ork.icat.vt.edu
ico.bukvic.net
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:49 AM Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:06:03AM -0500, Ico Bukvic
wrote:
... recent requests to redact emails from the
mailing lists ...
What is this about ?
--
FA
14 Dec
14 Dec
9:51 a.m.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 11:05:53AM -0500, Ico Bukvic wrote:
One of the mailing list subscribers invoked their
right to erasure as
specified in EU's Article 17 of the General Data Protection Regulation.
This meant that Jeremy and Robin? had to dig through various mentions of
their name and anonymize them. To me this, if it gets out of hand, could
have profound ramifications on the content stored in mailing lists and
other online resources. US, as far as I can tell, has no such provisions.
I doubt very much if article 17 applies here at all. But then I'm
not a legal expert.
It would certainly cover the data in a membership list, but
- The archives are not linked to any particular person or 'account'.
- Whatever is in them was meant to be published, and not provided
just for internal use by the list maintainer.
- Anyone reading the list can keep a copy of all posts, independent
of the list providing an archive, and make such copies public.
- Article 17 makes an explicit exception for archives kept in the
public interest.
Ciao,
--
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