22 Jan
2004
22 Jan
'04
1:30 p.m.
Just to say
that obviously the consortium is not entirely made
up of corporate "wolves" who don't know or don't care
about freedom (honestly I don't see how one could reach this
conclusion looking at the current members' list, but anyway).
Compare 4Front vs. ALSA 
22 Jan
22 Jan
3:13 p.m.
Greetings:
I've decided to avoid this entire "discussion", primarily because I
have too much other work that needs to be done. However, WRT 4Front vs.
ALSA : It should also be mentioned that 4Front gives major support to
the XMMS project, certainly my favorite open-source media player. They
have also been quite helpful to me in various ways when I wrote my book,
nor have they ever asked that I favor them in reviews or other
journalism. Their response to ALSA has been supportive and intelligent
(see my interview with them in the LJ archives). And lest it be
forgotten, they also make a quality product. The OSS/Linux installer is
a model for "how it should be done", and the product itself works
exactly as advertised.
And with that comment I return to the shadows...
Best,
++ dp
Daniel James wrote:
OK, let's do that. 4Front is a company which produces both proprietary
(OSS) and libre software (xmms). It has a couple of staff and a
modest turnover. ALSA developers are employed by Novell, which now
also produces both kinds of software. Apart from being the granddaddy
of proprietary networks, Novell is a multi-million dollar
multi-national company which probably has thousands of staff.
The idea that OSS is 'corporate' but ALSA is not just makes me laugh.
Even when it was sponsored by SUSE, the ALSA project had far bigger
corporate backing than 4Front. SUSE was invested in substantially by
IBM and other companies over many years.
Just to say that obviously the consortium is not
entirely made
up of corporate "wolves" who don't know or don't care
about freedom (honestly I don't see how one could reach this
conclusion looking at the current members' list, but anyway).
Compare 4Front vs. ALSA
23 Jan
23 Jan
7:20 p.m.
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 11:39, Daniel James wrote:
OK, let's do that. 4Front is a company which produces both proprietary
(OSS) and libre software (xmms). It has a couple of staff and a
modest turnover. ALSA developers are employed by Novell, which now
also produces both kinds of software. Apart from being the granddaddy
of proprietary networks, Novell is a multi-million dollar
multi-national company which probably has thousands of staff.
The idea that OSS is 'corporate' but ALSA is not just makes me laugh.
Even when it was sponsored by SUSE, the ALSA project had far bigger
corporate backing than 4Front. SUSE was invested in substantially by
IBM and other companies over many years.
ALSA is a part of the 2.6 kernel. The *real* corporate backing comes
from companies which produce audiocards(which is close to zero).
Corporate backing such as that you mentioned regarding ALSA won't help
you much if you have to beg your XY company for specifications. Very few
companies (such as RME or audioscience) were kind enough to provide
hardware and specifications or drivers. And you can forget about NDAs if
it comes to open source sw.
The ideal situation would be - companies contribute drivers for their hw
to the ALSA project.
I'm not saying 4Front is an evil company(i don't know), but there is a
conflict of interests - alsa vs. oss.
Marek
Just to say that obviously the consortium is not
entirely made
up of corporate "wolves" who don't know or don't care
about freedom (honestly I don't see how one could reach this
conclusion looking at the current members' list, but anyway).
Compare 4Front vs. ALSA
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