Please allow me to chime in here for a sec. The
decision to advertise or
not in this case is not Board's decision but Virginia Tech's decision, or
rather Commonwealth of Virginia decision. This is because the server
resides on the VT infrastructure which is in turn at least in part paid by
the taxpayers' money. VT is also a Land Grant university which means we
need to work towards bettering the community we service and who
essentially at least in part provides funding for our everyday expenses.
Therefore, we cannot advertise and collect funds when that will be in
direct competition with external entities who essentially foot our bill
through their taxes. In other words, we as non-profit Land Grant
University cannot be in competition with external for- or non-profit
entities. This is why we cannot advertise unless we move said sites off
the University servers. Personally, I have little interest in advertising
as the benefit of practically unlimited bandwidth, free backup, and
hosting space far outweighs amounts one could get through ads such as the
one being discussed here. For this reason, I would simply suggest that we
move your sites off VT servers if you wish to pursue the ad revenue and
leave it at that.
Another thought is to finally go ahead and do 501c3 for the
and seek ways for us to fund our own hosting space in which case we'll be
able to put as many ads as we like. I am simply reluctant (apart from the
fundamental questions such as where to find funding to do this, who will
do this, and just how much money we could earn through ads) to do this
since LAO efforts have been by and large based on copious amounts of
volunteer work by Robin and I. The community has expressed little to no
interest in helping in the process or providing resources to do this on a
larger scale and as such the current situation seems to be by far the best
under given circumstances. I'll gladly entertain thoughts of those who
would like to prove me wrong as far as the 501c3 matter is concerned,
particularly those who are interested and willing to join our rather thin
pool of volunteers.
From: Patrick Shirkey [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:41 PM
To: Robin Gareus
Cc: Ivica Ico Bukvic; consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org; Daniel James
Subject: Re: [Consortium] Advertising Policy - linuxaudio.org
I appreciate your point of view but I feel it is more of a board
about how we handle sponsorship opportunities rather than a single
- Being a "not for profit" organisation does not mean that we are not
to take any cash contributions. Instead it means that we are obligated
spend all the funding that we receive in support of our charter/mission.
Anyway at the moment we are not officially registered as not for profit
that means we have no obligations under the "Not for Profit" laws for
Of course we don't have to take payments directly to Linuxaudio.org
Consortium. Both Daniel and myself have registered companies that can
legally act as proxies and deal with the accounting issues with no
. After all it is simply a website with a .org suffix
from a legal point of view. The Linux Audio Consortium is a completely
seperate entity again. There is no legal requirement for the consortium
have any financial duties for the Linuxaudio.org
domain name and/or
content hosted under that url.
- As we already have sponsored advertising I don't see why it is a
to allow *some* of the subdomains to host paid advertisements. As long
they meet the requirements of whatever policy we come up with.
I have suggested that lau.linuxaudio.org
hosted on my private server. These domains have always been about
providing a "fun" entry into the Linux Audio Community so it seems to me
they are prime places for *appropriate* paid advertising.
- I have no problem with taking payments, handling the accounting
and distributing the cash in whichever way we determine to be the most
appropriate. Daniel and I have already established a working
between Boost Hardware Ltd and 64 Studio Ltd.
- In a perfect world I would love to be able to earn enough money from
"Linux Audio" digital channel to pay for content contributions,
development and design in addition to hosting and maintenance costs. I
think it is entirely within our charter to operate a professionally run
digital media channel for the purpose of promoting the Linux Audio
platform and open source multimedia software/hardware and
I have already established http://linuxmusicvideos.com
. I am currently
looking into the costs for purchasing the linuxaudio.com
whois for that domain is mysterious. I suspect it is already owned by
of our members.
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On Thu, April 19, 2012 9:56 pm, Robin Gareus wrote:
Personally, I am against any commercial for-profit advertising on
*.linuxaudio.org domain and sub-domains. I suggest to use your own
domain-name for doing so.
As Ico already pointed out: "we cannot make money off the site unless
move to private hosting" -- private hosting
equivalent to what vt.edu
offers us incl. unlimited traffic, 3 hourly, 7 nightly and 4 weekly
backups of our 300GByte volume plus 24h support
is probably >= $300
month. I guess Ico could find out the exact
numbers, though i suppose
it's better not to ask :)
is a not-for-profit organization. As soon as
receive money - for any subdomain -, someone
would need to spend
money and take care of accounting. Daniel who
pays the DNS
every year would be on top of
the list to receive a
few beers from our first revenue.
PS. some lac.linuxaudio.org
pages do indeed feature links to sponsors
which and may fall under the category "advertising". However, none of
those is for-profit. The "sponsors" are institutions or companies who
directly support the Linux Audio Conference - mostly with
contributions: e.g. this year: LWN ran an
ad-campaign for us; Stanford
sponsored location, coffee, Nando & Bruno's time, etc; CiTu.fr allowed
me to co-organize LAC while being employed there,..
For the record, the LAC is under the auspices of the institution that
hosts the conference, linuxaudio.org
is providing free hosting for the
conference site to the benefit the LA community.
Besides, all external links on lac.linuxaudio.org
are marked as rel="external" which defeats SEO to
some extent. If you find some links on *.linuxaudio.org to commercial
sites that are not rel="external", please let us know and I'll see to
On 04/15/2012 02:36 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> I'll coordinate with Daniel to get the dns for those subdomains
> at my server.
> Patrick Shirkey
> Boost Hardware Ltd
> On Wed, April 11, 2012 5:23 pm, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
>> Redirecting paid things to your own server will be the easiest and
>> solution to this if you are interested in having this done quickly.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: consortium-bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org [mailto:consortium-
>>> bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shirkey
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:16 AM
>>> To: consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Consortium] Advertising Policy - linuxaudio.org
>>> On Sun, April 8, 2012 3:29 am, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
>>>> On 04/07/2012 09:16 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>>>>> On 04/08/2012 01:38 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>>>>>> Easter Greetings to the list.
>>>>>> I have been contacted by a reputable audio company who
>>> like to
>>>>>> sponsor the "audio quality howto" by placing an
>>>>>> for a one year period.
>>>>>> Do we have an advertising policy for Linuxaudio.org?
>>>>> why would anyone want to advertise on a page that has been
>>>>> for 12 years?!
>>>> Bitrotting or not, the site is hosted by a land grant university
>>>> free which I believe
(translation: I am 99.99% sure) means we
>>>> make money off the site unless we
move to private hosting. I can
>>>> double-check with the powers that be if anyone needs a 100%
>>>> on this one.
>>> They have offered $50 for a one year placement. I'm still deciding
>>> is a fair amount.
>>> I am happy to host paid content on my own server if we can
>>> DNS to that location. I suggest that all content under the "lau"
>>> "quicktoots" subdomains are
hosted on my server.
>>> That way we are able to have paid content and free (as in beer)
>>> content so
>>> we are Libre in the true sense of the word.
>>> The next step will be to figure out a policy for advertising
>>> how to deal with any income that is generated and how far we are
>>> to go down that path.
>>> Personally I would love to be able to pay people to contribute to
>> if advertising in a respectful and tasteful way helps make that
>> then I think it is a reasonable topic for discussion.
>> Patrick Shirkey
>> Boost Hardware Ltd
>> Consortium mailing list
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