4 May
2004
4 May
'04
3:32 p.m.
Monty, Ralph, and I all discussed this and decided
we'd like to
join the organization. :)
Great! I'll add Xiph to the members' page.
Our only concern about linuxaudio.org is the wording
of policy #5:
The Linuxaudio.org consortium supports open standards and file
formats. However, it recognises that reverse engineering of
proprietary formats is sometimes required to enable
interoperability.
I think it's important for the Free Software
movement's future that
we place strong emphasis on getting support for royalty-free open
standards _by default_, and only then concern ourselves with the
rest.
I'd agree - I think the use of the word 'sometimes' here was intended
to indicate that. The only reason that proprietary formats were
mentioned at all was that some developers wanted protection for
reverse engineering, following cases like Sklyarov. In practice, this
protection has been hard to get a consensus for among commercial
companies.
I suppose we should coordinate some kind of joint
press
release or announcement once the red tape is over.
Sounds good to me!
Cheers
Daniel James
Director
http://linuxaudio.org
4 May
4 May
6:18 p.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
Monty, Ralph,
and I all discussed this and decided we'd like to
join the organization. :)
Great! I'll add Xiph to the members' page. I suppose we
should coordinate some kind of joint press
release or announcement once the red tape is over.
Sounds good to me! 
5 May
5 May
4:37 p.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel James
<daniel(a)linuxaudio.org> writes:
> Monty, Ralph, and I all discussed this and decided
we'd like to
> join the organization. :)
Great! I'll add Xiph to the members' page.
I'm *so* happy about this. The Xiph Foundation participation inside
the (prospective?) Linux Audio Consortium was a very important point
for the AGNULA project, and I'd like to say a big "thank you" to
everybody that made this happen.
> Our only concern about linuxaudio.org is the
wording of policy
> #5:
>
> The Linuxaudio.org consortium supports open standards and file
> formats. However, it recognises that reverse engineering of
> proprietary formats is sometimes required to enable
> interoperability.
> I think it's important for the Free Software
movement's future
> that we place strong emphasis on getting support for
> royalty-free open standards _by default_, and only then concern
> ourselves with the rest.
I'd agree - I think the use of the word
'sometimes' here was
intended to indicate that. The only reason that proprietary
formats were mentioned at all was that some developers wanted
protection for reverse engineering, following cases like
Sklyarov. In practice, this protection has been hard to get a
consensus for among commercial companies.
I was one of the strongest supporters of this kind of protection, and
I can confirm that the original idea was really to support free
formats and, only if necessary, give people the necessary protection
to reverse engineer proprietary formats.
Shall we reword point #5 as:
The Linuxaudio.org consortium supports open standards and file
formats. Moreover, it recognises that reverse engineering of
proprietary formats is often required to enable interoperability and
supports this kind of activity.
?
bye,
--
Andrea Glorioso andrea.glorioso(a)agnula.org
AGNULA Technical Manager http://www.agnula.org/
M: +39 333 820 5723 F: +39 (0)51 930 31 133
"Libre Audio, Libre Video, Libre Software: AGNULA"
5:01 p.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
On Wednesday 05 May 2004 1:51 pm, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
Shall we reword point #5 as:
The Linuxaudio.org consortium supports open
standards and file formats. Moreover, it recognises that
reverse engineering of proprietary formats is often required to
enable interoperability and supports this kind of activity.
I'm not sure if that's any clearer!
How about if we change the word 'supports' to 'prefers' in the first
line, like this:
from:
The Linuxaudio.org consortium supports open standards and file
formats. However, it recognises that reverse engineering of
proprietary formats is sometimes required to enable interoperability.
to:
The Linuxaudio.org consortium prefers open standards and file formats.
However, it recognises that reverse engineering of proprietary
formats is sometimes required to enable interoperability.
Cheers
Daniel
6:32 p.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
from:
The Linuxaudio.org consortium supports open standards and file
formats. However, it recognises that reverse engineering of
proprietary formats is sometimes required to enable interoperability.
to:
The Linuxaudio.org consortium prefers open standards and file formats.
However, it recognises that reverse engineering of proprietary
formats is sometimes required to enable interoperability.
This is much better.
jack.
6:31 p.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
I'm *so* happy about this. The Xiph Foundation
participation inside
the (prospective?) Linux Audio Consortium was a very important point
for the AGNULA project, and I'd like to say a big "thank you" to
everybody that made this happen.
:) Glad you like us :)
Are there any kidn of regular meetings between members?
If not (or even if so) perhaps some representatives of AGNULA would like
to have an informal meeting via IRC with us Xiph guys to find out how we
can help each other.
jack.
7:14 p.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
Are there any kidn of regular meetings between
members?
I wouldn't say regular, but so far meetings have taken place at
Linux/audio events, such as Sounds Expo in London during February,
and the Linux Audio Conference in Karlsruhe last week.
perhaps some representatives of AGNULA would
like to have an informal meeting via IRC with us Xiph guys to find
out how we can help each other.
That's exactly the kind of thing the consortium likes to encourage!
Cheers
Daniel James
Director
http://linuxaudio.org
7:37 p.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 04:35:28PM +0100, Daniel James wrote:
BTW, we're having our montly xiph.org irc organizational meeting today.
Anyone's welcome to join, and it's a good way to meet some our core
team and get a status update on our various efforts.
First wednesday of every month at 23:59 UTC in #xiphmeet on irc.freenode.net.
We do follow an agenda to try and keep the length down, so if there's something
you'd like discussed (even just introductions) please add it to the wiki
at http://wiki.xiph.org/MonthlyMeeting200405 prior to the start of the meeting.
Cheers,
-r
perhaps some
representatives of AGNULA would
like to have an informal meeting via IRC with us Xiph guys to find
out how we can help each other.
That's exactly the kind of thing the consortium likes to encourage!
6 May
6 May
9:56 a.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
>>>> "Ralph" == Ralph Giles
<giles(a)xiph.org> writes:
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 04:35:28PM +0100, Daniel James
wrote:
> > perhaps some representatives of AGNULA would > like to have
> an informal meeting via IRC with us Xiph guys to find > out how
> we can help each other.
>
> That's exactly the kind of thing the consortium likes to
> encourage!
BTW, we're having our montly xiph.org irc
organizational meeting
today. Anyone's welcome to join, and it's a good way to meet
some our core team and get a status update on our various
efforts.
First wednesday of every month at 23:59 UTC in
#xiphmeet on
irc.freenode.net.
Unfortunately I just read this e-mail and I didn't make in on time to
attend, but I'll try to attend the next meeting.
Thanks for telling us,
--
Andrea Glorioso andrea.glorioso(a)agnula.org
AGNULA Technical Manager http://www.agnula.org/
M: +39 333 820 5723 F: +39 (0)51 930 31 133
"Libre Audio, Libre Video, Libre Software: AGNULA"
10:59 a.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 12:26:44AM +0200, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
Sorry you weren't able to make it. Our next meeting is June 2, 12:00 UTC.
We're alternating times to make it easier for everyone to make at least
some of the meetings.
We can set up something else in the meantime of course. You you can find
many of us online in #vorbis and #theora on irc.freenode.net.
Cheers,
-r
First
wednesday of every month at 23:59 UTC in #xiphmeet on
irc.freenode.net.
Unfortunately I just read this e-mail and I didn't make in on time to
attend, but I'll try to attend the next meeting.
9:56 a.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
>>>> "Jack" == Jack Moffitt
<jack(a)xiph.org> writes:
> I'm *so* happy about this. The Xiph
Foundation participation
> inside the (prospective?) Linux Audio Consortium was a very
> important point for the AGNULA project, and I'd like to say a
> big "thank you" to everybody that made this happen.
:) Glad you like us :)
Are there any kidn of regular meetings between
members?
Not yet, but we could probably set them up.
If not (or even if so) perhaps some representatives of
AGNULA
would like to have an informal meeting via IRC with us Xiph guys
to find out how we can help each other.
I'd very much like it. Do you have any good dates at hand, so that I
can check my schedule (I can speak on behalf of the AGNULA project and
I still probably am the most indicated person to do that, although
I've been working to change that and get some sleep at last :) and
collect some kind of wishlist/offerings from our team and users in
advance?
bye,
--
Andrea Glorioso andrea.glorioso(a)agnula.org
AGNULA Technical Manager http://www.agnula.org/
M: +39 333 820 5723 F: +39 (0)51 930 31 133
"Libre Audio, Libre Video, Libre Software: AGNULA"
10 May
10 May
2:22 a.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
If not (or
even if so) perhaps some representatives of AGNULA
would like to have an informal meeting via IRC with us Xiph guys
to find out how we can help each other.
I'd very much like it. Do you have any good dates at hand, so that I
can check my schedule (I can speak on behalf of the AGNULA project and
I still probably am the most indicated person to do that, although
I've been working to change that and get some sleep at last :) and
collect some kind of wishlist/offerings from our team and users in
advance? 
30 May
30 May
3:46 a.m.
New subject: Xiph and Linuxaudio.org
- Ralph and I are both amateur musicians, and Monty is
a an
amateur/semi-pro mixing/recording engineer. I'm sure we could have a
pleasant conversation about what apps are there, what apps are
missing, etc. I'm sure Postfish would be a nice addition to AGNULA :)
I forgot to send mail last night, but I've made a source pre-release
of the Postfish. http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/postfish
The README in the source explains all.
Monty
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