26 Apr
2012
26 Apr
'12
5:47 p.m.
Hi *,
There's a whole lot of v-hosts below linuxaudio.org. The recent
migration of vhosts gave rise to rethink and hopefully consolidate others.
Let me first list the "good ones" and them move on to suggestions for
the cruft. Please comment on my suggestions there. If you don't, you
forfeit your right to complain later :-)
== The good ==
http://www.linuxaudio.org/
mostly OK - it's a drupal that could use some lovin'.
http://portal.linuxaudio.org/
301 -> http://linuxaudio.org/resources
historical URL.
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/
~15 regular editors and content-maintainers
= 200 casual contributors
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/
301 -> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/
historical URL; the wiki started as "apps"
http://lac.linuxaudio.org
the conference collections
could use some promotion from the www front-page.
lots of good resources - proceedings, videos from presentations etc.
http://planet.linuxaudio.org/
feed aggregation of user-blogs
The planet features two hidden "moons" that will need announcement:
http://planet.linuxaudio.org/bugs/
http://planet.linuxaudio.org/apps/
http://forum.linuxaudio.org/
307 -> http://linuxmusicians.com/
following discussion in 2008 if LAO should host a forum
we agreed on redirecting and supporting linuxmusicians
http://radio.linuxaudio.org
icecast server
loop: best of LAM '08-'10 by DJCJ (P.Shirkey)
misc and temp. live-streams (e.g. LAC stream-relay)
http://download.linuxaudio.org/
mirror of various software, sound samples, distros and misc stuff
This is also the primary server for http://lilypond.org/
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/
mailman -- email lists
moderated and administrated by M.O. Barre.
== The questionable - vhosts that may need work ==
http://lad.linuxaudio.org/
currently a simple stub-page for LADs.
?? -> redirect to http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/lad ??
http://git.linuxaudio.org
outdated endeavor from 2008 by yours truly. The idea was to track
and mirror code repositories. Since superseded by github et al.
?? -> should be removed !
http://lau.linuxaudio.org/
302 -> http://linux-audio.com/
Linux Audio Users Guide - some useful information (read-only curated
by P.Shirkey)
IMHO the content of this site should be merged into
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/
and
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/newbie
to allow to being updated by the LAU community.
The content was deleted from LAO on April/22/2012 after it
was migrated to linux-audio.com by its maintainer.
We do have a backup in case s.o want to keep it alive at LAO
?? keep redirect | use wiki ??
http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/
301 -> http://quicktoots.linux-audio.com/
Tutorials - mostly pre 2004
the up-to-date stuff should probably go to flossmanual.net
the content was deleted from LAO on April/22/2012 after it
was migrated to linux-audio.com by its maintainer.
We do have a backup in case s.o want to keep it alive at la.org
?? -> should be removed ??
http://ladspavst.linuxaudio.org/
pretty much dysfunct site of Linux VST Compatibility
not sure what to do with it. - previously maintained by Tim Orford
??
http://lowlatency.linuxaudio.org/
low-latency info for linux-2.2 and linux-2.4
some general good info but pretty much outdated.
it's a single page in that v-host. Should become a wiki-page
?? 301 -> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/lowlatency ??
http://awards.linuxaudio.org/
an initiative started by P. Shirkey in 2009 - seems dead
?? not sure ??
http://label.linuxaudio.org/
an initiative by P. Shirkey(?) in 2011 - never got started
?? not sure - delete it ?!
== Misc/other good v-hosts ==
http://robin.linuxaudio.org/
things where I keep tempoprary stuff and do site development things
the docroot 307 redirects to my website
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org
excellent LA software - more bang per byte.
http://stats.linuxaudio.org/
server statistics
?? should those be password protected ??
some of the AWstats may be used to track users (e.g. top 10 host list)
Thoughts? Comments?
robin
26 Apr
26 Apr
10:47 p.m.
On 04/26/2012 05:47 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
Hi *,
There's a whole lot of v-hosts below linuxaudio.org. The recent
migration of vhosts gave rise to rethink and hopefully consolidate others.
Let me first list the "good ones" and them move on to suggestions for
the cruft. Please comment on my suggestions there. If you don't, you
forfeit your right to complain later :-)
i'm with you on all items, but want to comment on this one:
http://stats.linuxaudio.org/
server statistics
?? should those be password protected ??
some of the AWstats may be used to track users (e.g. top 10 host list)
been running awstats for ages because its output is great, but it's a
security nightmare. i've taken to displaying only static pages generated
from a cronjob every hour. not as convenient, and makes browsing of
previous years a lot harder, but there have been soo many XSS attacks
and other gotchas in the past...
imho, it's either that or password-protect it. my logs show numerous
automated scans for vulnerable awstats implementations.
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio)
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27 Apr
27 Apr
4:30 p.m.
New subject: LAO stats -- was Re: lao subdomains
On 04/26/2012 10:47 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>> On 04/26/2012 05:47 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
>>> http://stats.linuxaudio.org/
>>> server statistics
>>> ?? should those be password protected ??
>>> some of the AWstats may be used to track users (e.g. top 10 host list)
>>
>> been running awstats for ages because its output is great,
yes and no. It's easily fooled as well, esp. the bandwidth calculation
is usually completely off because of "download accelerators".
>> but it's a
>> security nightmare. i've taken to displaying only static pages generated
>> from a cronjob every hour. not as convenient, and makes browsing of
>> previous years a lot harder, but there have been soo many XSS attacks
>> and other gotchas in the past...
>>
>> imho, it's either that or password-protect it. my logs show numerous
>> automated scans for vulnerable awstats implementations.
>>
>>
[inlined off-list reply from Steve to Joern]
On 04/26/2012 10:51 PM, Steve Harris wrote:
Right. noindex it is.
http://stats.linuxaudio.org/robots.txt
but it looks like we've been lucky so far - most of those referrers were
dwarfed by legitimate requests. As for hacking: we're riding on debian's
security updates. No awstats incident on LAO so far, but we've also only
published statically generated pages.
NTL, I've just password protected the awstats.
Those who are in the "laodev" group on linuxaudio.org
(ico,rgareus,mobarre,thorwil,franky,fons,jeremy) can read the password
at linuxaudio.org:/home/sites/stats.linuxaudio.org/htpasswd-plaintext
If anyone else is interested, please ask Ico or me about it.
Other stats (MRTG, email) are still in the open.
yours truly,
root
Yes, and on top of that unscrupulous persons will
use your AWStats
pages to create links to their malware pages by faking referrer
headers, believe it or not.
oh yeah, i'm getting a few of those. it's not awstats specific,
though, i guess they do that for all publicly available stats pages.
stats should definitely be noindex... 
2:18 a.m.
On Thu, April 26, 2012 5:47 pm, Robin Gareus wrote:
Hi *,
There's a whole lot of v-hosts below linuxaudio.org. The recent
migration of vhosts gave rise to rethink and hopefully consolidate others.
Let me first list the "good ones" and them move on to suggestions for
the cruft. Please comment on my suggestions there. If you don't, you
forfeit your right to complain later :-)
== The questionable - vhosts that may need work ==
http://lad.linuxaudio.org/
currently a simple stub-page for LADs.
?? -> redirect to http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/lad ??
http://git.linuxaudio.org
outdated endeavor from 2008 by yours truly. The idea was to track
and mirror code repositories. Since superseded by github et al.
?? -> should be removed !
http://lau.linuxaudio.org/
302 -> http://linux-audio.com/
Linux Audio Users Guide - some useful information (read-only curated
by P.Shirkey)
IMHO the content of this site should be merged into
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/
and
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/newbie
to allow to being updated by the LAU community.
The content was deleted from LAO on April/22/2012 after it
was migrated to linux-audio.com by its maintainer.
We do have a backup in case s.o want to keep it alive at LAO
?? keep redirect | use wiki ??
http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/
301 -> http://quicktoots.linux-audio.com/
Tutorials - mostly pre 2004
the up-to-date stuff should probably go to flossmanual.net
the content was deleted from LAO on April/22/2012 after it
was migrated to linux-audio.com by its maintainer.
We do have a backup in case s.o want to keep it alive at la.org
?? -> should be removed ??
So you actually want to absorb all of the content that I pulled together
over the years and compete with linux-audio.com on search? Hardly in the
best interests of the community but as the content is FDL or CC licensed
no one can stop you.
BTW, the content was originally migrated to LAO from DJCJ.org. You may not
be aware the the lau-guide, linuxvst, lowlatency howto and quicktoots were
originally hosted at djcj.org. They are certainly not the property of LAO
and had almost no contributions from LAO members since they were migrated.
http://ladspavst.linuxaudio.org/
pretty much dysfunct site of Linux VST Compatibility
not sure what to do with it. - previously maintained by Tim Orford
??
http://lowlatency.linuxaudio.org/
low-latency info for linux-2.2 and linux-2.4
some general good info but pretty much outdated.
it's a single page in that v-host. Should become a wiki-page
?? 301 -> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/lowlatency ??
This single page has a history which you may not be aware of. It was the
most highly read page for a number of years. Deleting it seems like a
travesty to me. It should have a place of honour in the LAO hall of
fame...
http://awards.linuxaudio.org/
an initiative started by P. Shirkey in 2009 - seems dead
?? not sure ??
There wasn't enough interest from the community so the project was
abandoned. Feel free to zap it.
http://label.linuxaudio.org/
an initiative by P. Shirkey(?) in 2011 - never got started
?? not sure - delete it ?!
This never happened. Given that there is no interest in "for profit"
activities at LAO it probably never will. Can't see anyone having the time
or motivation to run a label as a volunteer.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
4:50 p.m.
On 04/27/2012 02:18 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
[[snip]]
"absorb content" - LOL. That's even better than "consume" :)
You got a point there. Now, we only need a hall-of-fame.
lowlatency.linuxaudio.org now redirects to the wiki. The wiki-page has a
note about the history of it at the top (feel free to edit - the wiki
does keep a history and provides permanent URLs) and also links to a
.tgz of the original HTML, which can - one day - be used in the
hall-of-fame. Meanwhile there's
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://lowlatency.linuxaudio.org/
Being wiki-syntax, provides for easy copy/paste. Some of the content
that's still relevant these days can be merged into other - up-to-date
wiki-pages.
Ack.
# zap awards.linuxaudio.org
zap: command not found
:) - I will look into that later.
http://lam.fugal.net/ is not exactly a "label"; but works just fine sine
9 years.
While LAO is not officially a 501(c). Non-profit has always been an
integral part of the linuxaudio organization and consortium.
However, that does not mean that we can't promote or support [linux]
musicians who in turn make profit. A LAO label may pay off indirectly:
Someone may volunteer to pull it off for that reason.
For the time being, filtering http://planet.linuxaudio.org/ for music or
running a dedicated planet that only aggregates sounds might be a
start... thoughts?
robin
http://lau.linuxaudio.org/
302 -> http://linux-audio.com/
Linux Audio Users Guide - some useful information (read-only curated
by P.Shirkey)
IMHO the content of this site should be merged into
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/
and
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/newbie
to allow to being updated by the LAU community.
The content was deleted from LAO on April/22/2012 after it
was migrated to linux-audio.com by its maintainer.
We do have a backup in case s.o want to keep it alive at LAO
?? keep redirect | use wiki ??
http://quicktoots.linuxaudio.org/
301 -> http://quicktoots.linux-audio.com/
Tutorials - mostly pre 2004
the up-to-date stuff should probably go to flossmanual.net
the content was deleted from LAO on April/22/2012 after it
was migrated to linux-audio.com by its maintainer.
We do have a backup in case s.o want to keep it alive at la.org
?? -> should be removed ??
So you actually want to absorb all of the content that I pulled together
over the years and compete with linux-audio.com on search?
Nah, I won't do anything of that sort.
Hardly in the
best interests of the community but as the content is FDL or CC licensed
no one can stop you.
IMHO the best for the community would would be to collect end-user
targeted _manuals_ and _tutorials_ on https://flossmanuals.net/ - It
allows proper maintenance of the text. Remixing, printing, translations,
layouting, and what not.. - It's also the site that most newbies check
first.
Some of the lau.linuxaudio.org stuff however should IMO go into the
linux-audio-user wiki.
Do you have any objection to that?
BTW, the content was originally migrated to LAO from
DJCJ.org. You may not
be aware the the lau-guide, linuxvst, lowlatency howto and quicktoots were
originally hosted at djcj.org. They are certainly not the property of LAO
and had almost no contributions from LAO members since they were migrated.
Sure, you've mentioned that a few times before. and yes I'm aware of it
because I've created the vhost and account for you around 2005/06. I'm
not sure how this is relevant to the current discussion however, but
we're actually really grateful for most of your efforts and the time you
invested. It's a bit sad to see you depart because of - IIUC - a handful
of advertisement bucks. ..or is it about your independence from the
consortium and community?
[..]
http://lowlatency.linuxaudio.org/
low-latency info for linux-2.2 and linux-2.4
some general good info but pretty much outdated.
it's a single page in that v-host. Should become a wiki-page
?? 301 -> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/lowlatency ??
This single page has a history which you may not be aware of. It was the
most highly read page for a number of years. Deleting it seems like a
travesty to me. It should have a place of honour in the LAO hall of
fame...
http://awards.linuxaudio.org/
an initiative started by P. Shirkey in 2009 - seems dead
?? not sure ??
There wasn't enough interest from the community so the project was
abandoned. Feel free to zap it.
http://label.linuxaudio.org/
an initiative by P. Shirkey(?) in 2011 - never got started
?? not sure - delete it ?!
This never happened.
Given that there is no interest in "for profit"
activities at LAO it probably never will.
Can't see anyone having the time or motivation to run a label as a volunteer.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
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