9 Mar
2018
9 Mar
'18
10:29 a.m.
as well as
consider
establishing a foundation that may help facilitate and support critical
programs, including the LAC conference.
I think we'd need at least one major sponsor to cover the overheads of a
foundation. There are a whole bunch of big companies now shipping
millions of audio-critical products based on the Linux kernel, compared
to hardly any when we started.
So I'd suggest the first step would be to find someone prepared to reach
out to the likes of Google, TI or Toyota for support, preferably someone
used to dealing with corporates. Sponsorship opportunities for this
year's LAC would be a good, low commitment way for them to get involved.
9 Mar
9 Mar
12:50 p.m.
New subject: [Management] Linuxaudio.org update
Hi Patrick,
To really take ownership of the funding issue the
Consortium can
undertake an Initial Coin Offering (ICO) by creating a Linux Audio Token
which can then be traded on the open crypto market.
Personally speaking, I would not support any cryptocurrency proposal. I
don't think it would enhance our credibility.
As for being independent from corporate interests, it's corporates who
pay many if not most kernel developers, one way or another.
I agree the Linux Foundation would be a good point of contact, but
creating a registered non-profit in advance of initial discussions would
be premature, in my opinion.
It may be that the best option for us is direct affiliation with the
Linux Foundation, and a separate non-profit might impede that. The Linux
Foundation has related projects including realtime and embdedded, and
they have their own conference series of which LAC could potentially
become a part.
I suspect the LAC call for papers might not be reaching far outside our
existing community, and that we would benefit from papers from Linux
Foundation members. I'd be willing to bet that there are now a group of
engineers who work on Linux audio day-to-day and have never heard of LAC.
Cheers!
Daniel
1:47 p.m.
New subject: [Management] Linuxaudio.org update
Hi all,
The Linux
Foundation has related projects including realtime and embdedded, and
they have their own conference series
I've just written to the Linux Foundation's contact address and cc'd
Ico, let's see if they are interested in talking.
Cheers!
Daniel
4:01 p.m.
New subject: [Management] Linuxaudio.org update
Hi Patrick,
Ok, well if y'all change your minds on that it will take about 1 hour to
create an ERC20 smart contract to mint some LAT tokens and then it's up
to the community how much effort we put into an ICO. Payments for the
Tokens during the ICO can be handled in house relatively easily or with a
third party provider if necessary.
It could be a nice sideline for generating a stable source of funding
outside of the corporate structure and financial requirements of being a
member of the Linux Foundation and seeking funding from major sponsors or
simply asking the wider community to just donate cash/crypto with nothing
tangible in return. It seems these days good will doesn't get as much done
in the Linux Audio community as it used to.
To really take ownership of the funding issue the
Consortium can
undertake an Initial Coin Offering (ICO) by creating a Linux Audio Token
which can then be traded on the open crypto market.
Personally speaking, I would not support any cryptocurrency proposal. I
don't think it would enhance our credibility.
As for being independent from corporate interests,
it's corporates who
pay many if not most kernel developers, one way or another.
For the Linux Foundation the largest proportion of their liquid funds
comes from Membership fees. IIUC the minimum amount is $5k/per year. They
also offer some charitable assistance for Members who can't afford the
annual fees but you don't get to sit at the big peoples table and those
members are not the highest priority for a reasonably small and busy core
staff to look after.
I agree the Linux Foundation would be a good point of
contact, but
creating a registered non-profit in advance of initial discussions would
be premature, in my opinion.
It may be that the best option for us is direct affiliation with the
Linux Foundation, and a separate non-profit might impede that. The Linux
Foundation has related projects including realtime and embdedded, and
they have their own conference series of which LAC could potentially
become a part.
I suspect the LAC call for papers might not be reaching far outside our
existing community, and that we would benefit from papers from Linux
Foundation members. I'd be willing to bet that there are now a group of
engineers who work on Linux audio day-to-day and have never heard of LAC.
Cheers!
Daniel
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware
4:24 p.m.
New subject: [Management] Linuxaudio.org update
Well I can certainly chime in here. Daniel's standard position is to
'romance' the Linux foundation and it will fall short as it has numerous
times because Linux Audio is not in any way a distant priority for Linux
Foundation. The Linux Foundation's core interest is THE BIG BOYS. This
fantasy has been played out over years almost a decade with movement of the
ball up the field.
As I don't have much faith in Alt coins I have less faith in this fantasy
relationship with Linux Foundation when its pay to lay with billion dollar
companies. So until Daniel becomes the next Steve Jobs and has Linux Audio
design in his pocket that the Linux world must use and have this remain a
fantasy.
The Alt coin idea is a hell of a lot better than any previous idea in 10
years.
I guarantee you if you issue 1 billion DJ coins or Linux Audio coins and
raise 10 million Linux foundation will be your very best friend.
ERC 20 will have problems because of Ether what about NEO and GAS to fire
up the presses? BTW you can make really cool actual physical crypto coins
like a collectible with cool graphics and a usb drive built in for cold
storage. Think of it like printing colored vinyl.
Patrick I always liked you and your enthusiasm for Linux Audio
unfortunately talking to the old foggies about it is like Amazon talking to
Barnes and Noble about bookstores.
PS we have a new Indamixx HDMI stick testing now for release better than
anything to date.
Sincerely,
Ron Stewart
Indamixx
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com>
wrote:
--
Thank you
Ron Stewart
Sweet Spot Transport (Owner)
enclosedclassics.com
enclosedexotics.com
954-243-2295
Hi Patrick,
Ok, well if y'all change your minds on that it will take about 1 hour to
create an ERC20 smart contract to mint some LAT tokens and then it's up
to the community how much effort we put into an ICO. Payments for the
Tokens during the ICO can be handled in house relatively easily or with a
third party provider if necessary.
It could be a nice sideline for generating a stable source of funding
outside of the corporate structure and financial requirements of being a
member of the Linux Foundation and seeking funding from major sponsors or
simply asking the wider community to just donate cash/crypto with nothing
tangible in return. It seems these days good will doesn't get as much done
in the Linux Audio community as it used to.
To really take ownership of the funding issue the
Consortium can
undertake an Initial Coin Offering (ICO) by creating a Linux Audio Token
which can then be traded on the open crypto market.
Personally speaking, I would not support any cryptocurrency proposal. I
don't think it would enhance our credibility.
As for being independent from corporate
interests, it's corporates who
pay many if not most kernel developers, one way or another.
For the Linux Foundation the largest proportion of their liquid funds
comes from Membership fees. IIUC the minimum amount is $5k/per year. They
also offer some charitable assistance for Members who can't afford the
annual fees but you don't get to sit at the big peoples table and those
members are not the highest priority for a reasonably small and busy core
staff to look after.
I agree the Linux Foundation would be a good
point of contact, but
creating a registered non-profit in advance of initial discussions would
be premature, in my opinion.
It may be that the best option for us is direct affiliation with the
Linux Foundation, and a separate non-profit might impede that. The Linux
Foundation has related projects including realtime and embdedded, and
they have their own conference series of which LAC could potentially
become a part.
I suspect the LAC call for papers might not be reaching far outside our
existing community, and that we would benefit from papers from Linux
Foundation members. I'd be willing to bet that there are now a group of
engineers who work on Linux audio day-to-day and have never heard of LAC.
Cheers!
Daniel
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware
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12 Mar
12 Mar
9:57 a.m.
New subject: [Management] Linuxaudio.org update
The Alt coin idea is a hell of a lot better than any previous idea in 10
years. I guarantee you if you issue 1 billion DJ coins or Linux Audio
coins and
raise 10 million Linux foundation will be your very
best friend.
As long as you are willing to give them some of the pie but at least you
would gain access to the Hyperledger community for whatever that is worth.
ERC 20 will have problems because of Ether what about
NEO and GAS to fire
up the presses? BTW you can make really cool actual physical crypto coins
like a collectible with cool graphics and a usb drive built in for cold
storage. Think of it like printing colored vinyl.
I am agnostic. ERC20 has the benefit that it is embedded in the second
most popular crypto currency. In theory we can use any blockchain to
achieve the same goal.
Patrick I always liked you and your enthusiasm for
Linux Audio
unfortunately talking to the old foggies about it is like Amazon talking
to Barnes and Noble about bookstores.
Thanks, it's ironic that Linux Audio peeps are opposed to crypto when many
of the same people who created Linux were also involved in the planning
and creation of bitcoin/blockchain.
Separately in order to make itself viable for funding I think that The
Consortium needs to (re)define it's purpose. For the past 15 years it has
basically been the steward of the Linuxaudio.org domain. However the
original plan was to be the champion of small business and created a
network for business owners to gain a competitive advantage.
At the moment I'm not exactly sure what use any funding will be put to
other than possibly paying Jeremy a decent wage for his time/effort to
administer and maintain the backend infrastructure..
PS we have a new Indamixx HDMI stick testing now for
release better than
anything to date.
Good Work (tm)
Sincerely,
Ron Stewart
Indamixx
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com>
wrote:
I
--
Thank you
Ron Stewart
Sweet Spot Transport (Owner)
enclosedclassics.com
enclosedexotics.com
954-243-2295
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware
Hi Patrick,
> To really take ownership of the funding issue the Consortium can
> undertake an Initial Coin Offering (ICO) by creating a Linux Audio
Token
which can
then be traded on the open crypto market.
Personally speaking, I would not support any cryptocurrency proposal. don't think it would enhance our
credibility.
Ok, well if y'all change your minds on that it will take about 1 hour to
create an ERC20 smart contract to mint some LAT tokens and then it's up
to the community how much effort we put into an ICO. Payments for the
Tokens during the ICO can be handled in house relatively easily or with
a
third party provider if necessary.
It could be a nice sideline for generating a stable source of funding
outside of the corporate structure and financial requirements of being a
member of the Linux Foundation and seeking funding from major sponsors
or
simply asking the wider community to just donate cash/crypto with
nothing
tangible in return. It seems these days good will doesn't get as much
done
in the Linux Audio community as it used to.
As for being independent from corporate
interests, it's corporates who
pay many if not most kernel developers, one way or another.
For the Linux Foundation the largest proportion of their liquid funds
comes from Membership fees. IIUC the minimum amount is $5k/per year.
They
also offer some charitable assistance for Members who can't afford the
annual fees but you don't get to sit at the big peoples table and those
members are not the highest priority for a reasonably small and busy
core
staff to look after.
I agree the Linux Foundation would be a good
point of contact, but
creating a registered non-profit in advance of initial discussions
would
be premature, in my opinion.
It may be that the best option for us is direct affiliation with the
Linux Foundation, and a separate non-profit might impede that. The
Linux
Foundation has related projects including
realtime and embdedded, and
they have their own conference series of which LAC could potentially
become a part.
I suspect the LAC call for papers might not be reaching far outside
our
existing community, and that we would benefit
from papers from Linux
Foundation members. I'd be willing to bet that there are now a group
of
engineers who work on Linux audio day-to-day and
have never heard of
LAC.
Cheers!
Daniel
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware
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Consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/consortium
9 Mar
9 Mar
5:14 p.m.
New subject: [Management] Linuxaudio.org update
On 03/09/2018 11:50 AM, Daniel James wrote:
I suspect the LAC call for papers might not be
reaching far outside our
existing community, and that we would benefit from papers from Linux
Foundation members.
The Linux Foundation has been paying travel for people presenting and
attending LAC in the past.
There is likewise little corporate interest in FOMS or VLC-dev-camp. You
might see a few google engineers and some chromium-devs there (mainly
due to ffmpeg). Pretty much the same number as there are Ableton
engineers at the LAC in recent years.
With csound, pure-data, supercollider moving to their own conventions,
FAUST and the academic world dominated the LAC lately.
Most innovation on the Linux-Audio user/consumer side in the last decade
actually happens at Red-Hat (pulseaudio, pipewire) not the LF or elsewhere.
Linuxaudio.org is serving the producer and authoring side and LAU is
doing just fine, isn't it?
2c,
robin
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