Fons
Being someone that tracks recordings live constantly, I am curious, if the singer only wanted to overdub one section of their vocals with another, and you are not touching the remainder of the recorded tracks, exactly what stops you from doing a standard punch in/out in your example?
Even if you are referring to replacing a mixdown take, I am not certain 4 point editing is to much of a benefit there persay to be honest, as I have done this without it quite well in the past as I often have to edit down recordings for dance choreographers for modified music in a way you can't tell it is edited obviously.
I have never used 4 point editing, and have done mixing of all varieties, musical and non, from many different genres including some classical. There are points where I can easily see 4 point editing being useful as has been explained to me in the past by people that do use it, but this is not one of them if I am understanding your question correctly. (Of course I can't think of a good example at the moment where I was thinking it would be useful, but I remember being told some in the past and thinking it would be).
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On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Fons Adriaensen
<fons@linuxaudio.org> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:39:04PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
> the position that i take with N-point editing is not that there is
> some other way to do "the following". There isn't. its that the way of
> approaching the task that leads to needing to do "the following" is
> rooted in an older way of thinking about the overall workflow.
Tell that to your customer when he (or she in this case) wants you
to replace part of an edited track with the same fragment from
another take.
A simple case:
<http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/downloads/d_amor_sull_ali_rosee2.mp3>
After this was edited (9 fragments from 4 takes), the singer wanted
to replace the part "del prigioniere misero conforta l'egra mente"
[2:03 to 2:27] by another take.
Now I could have told her that what she wanted was 'rooted in an
older way of thinking', or that she was stupid and should have had
that bright idea before we had done the five edits following this
fragment, but I didn't and actually performed the edit to her
satisfaction.
Now this was a simple demo with just the piano instead of a full
orchestra. The latter could easily be more than 20 tracks if the
recording is done live and no mics must be visible. And mixing it
before editing is usually *not* and option.
Quiz2: there are 10 edits in this recording, free beer at LAC2011
if you can find 5 of them.
Ciao,
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FA