On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Johannes Kroll <jkroll@lavabit.com> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:47:26 -0500
Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Johannes Kroll <jkroll@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Could you elaborate please: why is compatibility between the existing
> > session management systems a dumb idea?
>
>
> you don't compatibility between DECnet and BITNET. you don't get
> compatibility between english and chinese. what you get is a *new*
> system/protocol/language.
>
> <ob-xkcd>
>    http://xkcd.com/927/
> </ob-xkcd>

You and David do not understand what I'm proposing. My intention is not
to create a new protocol. Creating another system because there are
already too many would be indeed idiotic: that's what has been done
before with the other session managers. I imagine creating *something*
that makes the existing systems work together, *without* changing the
clients that use the existing systems.

I.e. one app may be thinking it's talking to non-session, one app
speaks ladish, another thinks it's talking to jack-session, but in
reality they all talk to one session manager which implements all 3
(4... 7... umpteen) protocols.

I have not looked at the implementations of the existing systems. Maybe
what I'm proposing is not easily possible. In any case, I want you to
understand that I'm not proposing to increase the number of systems in
order to decrease the number of systems. That would be, indeed, dumb in
a painfully obvious way.


All of the existing session management protocols have inherent limitations which I was attempting to avoid by creating NSM. Nedko and I have discussed including NSM protocol support in LADISH, which would be kind of like what you're talking about, but the problem remains that the whole would be a lowest-common-denominator of functionality. Now, if jack session and LASH and LADISH level 1 applications eventually fade out and move to the NSM protocol, then maybe that's OK. But in the meantime it's not going to be as functional as using pure NSM.