On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Raymond Martin <laseray@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday 03 August 2009 08:12:24 you wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Raymond Martin <laseray@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suggest that Raymond keep picking the GPL issues of Impro-Visor, till
> everything is fixed. I'm not saying that Raymond should join now or that he
> can't have his fork, but I hope that at some point Raymond can join the
> Impro-Visor project and help improving Impro-Visor. Cause imho this will be
> the best for all parties including and especially the end-user.

Hopes do not always come true.

True most of the time ;)

 
This case is probably one of those times
because someone else has made it next to impossible to help the original.

Take a little inventory. Kicked off group, when not even sending messages to
it. Before that (last year), had messages censored due to differing ideas
(uphold GPL, distribute source, add improvements). A mailing list for the SF
Impro-Visor project is created. What chance do I have of getting on that or
staying on it if allowed to join given the previous actions?

I think the changes to get on it is pretty high, if you and Prof Keller takes time, also for dialogue. I think he is open for it.
 
So I have to
create my own list where I know I will be fair and let everyone have their
say.

Let us not forget the negative comments on that group that basically attempt
to alienate those of us who believe in FOSS from that project, as if there is
something wrong with us. That is not helpful.

You're right, but maybe it was a reaction on negative comments he got and misunderstanding about GPL.
 


It is very shortsighted to believe that the best interest of a project remains
with the original. It may or may not, depends on the circumstances--the
quality of the code and so forth. It is a myth that only the originators of
a technology can make the best version. The history of computing disagrees
with this attitude, no matter how many people seem to believe it.

You can join and make your improvements to Impro-Visor. If they not accept it, we can see what the arguments are and if they're right or not.
I'm not interested in examples from the past though.

 


To better the software requires a different attitude, an open attitude. A
closed Yahoo group, with censoring, kicking people off. GPL violations.
Negative attitude towards FOSS, even after numerous messages and
an apparent change. These kinds of things really do not shout free and
open to me in any measure.

you're right. But you also have seen that the attitude of the project is changing now, with the change it will reach a satisfying state for many of us.
 


I'm sure all this babbling has run its course for most on this list. That
is why we can move discussions to my list, where everyone can argue
to their heart's content. Or you can join the Improvisor Google group
(http://groups.google.com/group/improvisor). I let anyone join and have
tried to put the settings as low as possible to keep it very open. This
is not what you are seeing with Impro-Visor.

Impro-Visor has launched an open mailinglist now.
 

Kind regards,

\r