14 Feb
2017
14 Feb
'17
4:39 p.m.
Hi Guys,
I’m trying to set up a minimal audio system (without X11) based on the ubuntu mini-iso.
When trying to start jack, i get this dbus error message:
...
sudo /usr/bin/jackd -p512 -dalsa -r48000 -p64 -n2 -D -Chw:MADIFXtest -Phw:MADIFXtest
jackdmp 1.9.10
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2013 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon
without a $DISPLAY for X11
Audio device hw:MADIFXtest cannot be acquired...
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open failed with -1
Failed to open server
...
I’ve seen others mention the error but have not really found a solution. I guess part of
the problem is that I’m not really sure what the error means :-)
So if anyone could be so kind to enlighten me?
cheers,
Fokke
14 Feb
14 Feb
6:40 p.m.
On 14.02.2017 16:39, Fokke de Jong wrote:
Hi Guys,
I’m trying to set up a minimal audio system (without X11) based on the ubuntu mini-iso.
When trying to start jack, i get this dbus error message:
No X11 -> No DBus
Some distributions offer additional JACK2 packages without DBus. JACK1 should
always work on a headless system.
6:58 p.m.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Hanspeter Portner wrote:
On 14.02.2017 16:39, Fokke de Jong wrote:
Not true. I have done
dbus-launch screen
and used screen as my text only session manager with success. jack_control
was able to start jackdbus, pulse was able to run and bridge to jack on a
headless system. (it has been a while, I stopped because the system I was
using was too memory strapped) Any of the terminals in the same screen
instance will be able to communicate with any other.
So it is possible. It does mean learning more about your system... at a
system level. There is also a startjack script out there that sort of
hacks around this problem, but it does not leave dbus usable for anything
else. (I can't find it right now)
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
Hi Guys,
I’m trying to set up a minimal audio system (without X11) based on the ubuntu mini-iso.
When trying to start jack, i get this dbus error message:
No X11 -> No DBus 
11:30 p.m.
Hi Fokke,
If you just want Jack and don't have a need for dbus either disable dbus
support in Jack2, see
https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/blob/a96111a7a3bed8a0bacd1af64748c652def…
or use jack1.
Simon
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Hanspeter Portner wrote:
On 14.02.2017 16:39, Fokke de Jong wrote:
Not true. I have done
dbus-launch screen
and used screen as my text only session manager with success. jack_control
was able to start jackdbus, pulse was able to run and bridge to jack on a
headless system. (it has been a while, I stopped because the system I was
using was too memory strapped) Any of the terminals in the same screen
instance will be able to communicate with any other.
So it is possible. It does mean learning more about your system... at a
system level. There is also a startjack script out there that sort of hacks
around this problem, but it does not leave dbus usable for anything else.
(I can't find it right now)
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
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Hi Guys,
I’m trying to set up a minimal audio system (without X11) based on the
ubuntu mini-iso.
When trying to start jack, i get this dbus error message:
No X11 -> No DBus
17 Feb
17 Feb
2:56 p.m.
HI Guys,
Thank you for all the info. So I now have several options.
1) recompiling with dbus disabled.
2) use jack1
I think either will work for me, but i’d just like to know. My other system has S11
installed, but when i’m booting into console mode, jack also works fine.
So, does this mean the mere presence of X11 on a system (without actually running it) is
enough?
cheers,
Fokke
On Feb 14, 2017, at 23:30 , Simon van der Veldt
<simon.vanderveldt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Fokke,
If you just want Jack and don't have a need for dbus either disable dbus support in
Jack2, see
https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/blob/a96111a7a3bed8a0bacd1af64748c652def…
<https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/blob/a96111a7a3bed8a0bacd1af64748c652defb5a5e/wscript#L403>
or use jack1.
Simon
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net
<mailto:len@ovenwerks.net>> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Hanspeter Portner wrote:
On 14.02.2017 16:39, Fokke de Jong wrote:
Hi Guys,
I’m trying to set up a minimal audio system (without X11) based on the ubuntu mini-iso.
When trying to start jack, i get this dbus error message:
No X11 -> No DBus
Not true. I have done
dbus-launch screen
and used screen as my text only session manager with success. jack_control was able to
start jackdbus, pulse was able to run and bridge to jack on a headless system. (it has
been a while, I stopped because the system I was using was too memory strapped) Any of the
terminals in the same screen instance will be able to communicate with any other.
So it is possible. It does mean learning more about your system... at a system level.
There is also a startjack script out there that sort of hacks around this problem, but it
does not leave dbus usable for anything else. (I can't find it right now)
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net <http://www.ovenwerks.net/>
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15 Feb
15 Feb
3:33 p.m.
New subject: ?==?utf-8?q? Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation
Am Dienstag, 14. Februar 2017 18:58 CET, Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> schrieb:
Yes, it is possible. But it also shows how little is known about dbus in the
audio comunity (lack of documentation/quality of doxumentaion?).
A naive (?) 'man jackd' won't even mention dbus. Want more ridicule?
'man jackdbus' :
No manual entry for jackdbus
See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
No X11 -> No DBus
Not true. I have done
dbus-launch screen
and used screen as my text only session manager with success. jack_control
was able to start jackdbus, pulse was able to run and bridge to jack on a
headless system. (it has been a while, I stopped because the system I was
using was too memory strapped) Any of the terminals in the same screen
instance will be able to communicate with any other.
So it is possible. It does mean learning more about your system...
Hmm - did you? You suggest using dbus-launch even so the manpage of that program
explicitly says "To start a D-Bus session within a text-mode session, do not use
dbus-launch"
and point to dbus-run-session ...
Cheers, Ralf Mattes
3:50 p.m.
New subject: ?==?utf-8?q? Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Ralf Mattes <rm(a)mh-freiburg.de> wrote:
Yes, it is possible. But it also shows how little is known about dbus in
the
audio comunity (lack of documentation/quality of doxumentaion?).
A naive (?) 'man jackd' won't even mention dbus. Want more ridicule?
'man jackdbus' :
No manual entry for jackdbus
See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
the presence of dbus support inside jackd has always been controversial.
Jack1 does not (did not?) do this because I disagreed with integrating it
directly into the jackd server. Jack2 does have dbus integration built in,
but it uses the same manual page on most systems as jack1.
it isn't intended that the user would ever need to be aware of or configure
dbus interactions. the use case you're interested in is what we would call
an edge case, and there's increasingly less tolerance for spending
resources catering to these when there are so many non-edge features and
functionality that are required by so many more people.
4:46 p.m.
New subject: Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Ralf Mattes wrote:
Just enough to get things to work (and the experiment failed because I
had only 0.3G ram, not because of dbus). However, having read the two man
pages, I would still use dbus-launch with a text session manager like screen
where I want to share one instance of dbus with a number of processes.
Certainly I am no great sysadmin. I could also use more learning time on
my system, but in general I have a system to use it, not learn about it's
inner workings... So I learn only enough to get things to work, I copy
lots of stuff others have done and ask questions.
One of the biggest problems in linux audio is old information, linux and
the surrounding OS has changed. I should actually try my test setup again
with more memory and try both commands as I have such a box sitting here.
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Am Dienstag, 14. Februar 2017 18:58 CET, Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> schrieb:
Yes, it is possible. But it also shows how little is known about dbus in the
audio comunity (lack of documentation/quality of doxumentaion?).
A naive (?) 'man jackd' won't even mention dbus. Want more ridicule?
'man jackdbus' :
No manual entry for jackdbus
See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
I can add more too. The tool for starting jackdbus, jack_control, has no
docs. No man page, -h, --help do not work. running jack_control with no
command gives a usage screen... and as it is a python script, the script
itself is probably the best documentation there is (and still nor great).
No X11 -> No DBus
Not true. I have done
dbus-launch screen
and used screen as my text only session manager with success. jack_control
was able to start jackdbus, pulse was able to run and bridge to jack on a
headless system. (it has been a while, I stopped because the system I was
using was too memory strapped) Any of the terminals in the same screen
instance will be able to communicate with any other.
So it is possible. It does mean
learning more about your system...
Hmm - did you? You suggest using dbus-launch even so the manpage of that program
explicitly says "To start a D-Bus session within a text-mode session, do not use
dbus-launch"
and point to dbus-run-session ... 
5:12 p.m.
New subject: Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 07:45:49 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote:
One of the biggest problems in linux audio is old
information, linux
and the surrounding OS has changed.
The biggest issue within this problem are wikis with links.
When maintaining a Wiki, with too many links, nobody will check the
content of all links, so we tend to not remove the work of others,
because a link might be useful. Usually we only remove dead links, but
not bad links. IMO the best approach is, wenn editing a Wiki, to avoid
adding links, whenever possible.
Another issue is self-responsibility.
If a good documentation e.g. mentions
/sys/bus/pci/drivers/ohci_hcd/unbind
to unbind USB devices that share an IRQ with an audio interface, it
shouldn't be that hard, to find out that the location changed to
/sys/bus/pci/drivers/ohci-pci/unbind
A problem could be to notice this or similar issues. At least I don't
check such things all the times when making music. However, it's wise
to not upgrade during a production, so there's no need to check
everything.
IOW when making music, it's not wise to upgrade Ardour, Guitarix etc.,
let alone to upgrade the kernel or something security related. I even
wouldn't risk an openssl heartbleed alike fix, something absolutely
necessarily for a lot of tasks, but completely irrelevant for a DAW.
Btw. I'm a jack2, but jackd and not jackdbus user. Never change a
winning team!
Regards,
Ralf
14 Feb
14 Feb
6:42 p.m.
On Tue, February 14, 2017 16:39, Fokke de Jong wrote:
Hi Guys,
Iâm trying to set up a minimal audio system (without X11) based on the
ubuntu mini-iso.
When trying to start jack, i get this dbus error message:
...
sudo /usr/bin/jackd -p512 -dalsa -r48000 -p64 -n2 -D -Chw:MADIFXtest
-Phw:MADIFXtest
jackdmp 1.9.10 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2013 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you
are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file
COPYING for details
no message buffer overruns no message buffer overruns no message buffer
overruns JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation Unable to
autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11
Audio device hw:MADIFXtest cannot be acquired...
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open failed with -1
Failed to open server
...
Iâve seen others mention the error but have not really found a
solution. I guess part of the problem is that Iâm not really sure what
the error means :-) So if anyone could be so kind to enlighten me?
Hi Fokke,
you might need to compile JACK without support for dbus, there is a
configure option.
Greetings
Thomas
21 Feb
21 Feb
10:41 p.m.
Hello,
On headless embedded computer with Debian I mostly start jackd (jack2) with
dbus session::
dbus-run-session jackd -a a -d alsa ...
since I prefer using the debian packages before compiling on those slow
devices.
'man dbus-launch' says:
[...]
To start a D-Bus session within a text-mode session, do not use dbus-launch.
Instead, see dbus-run-session(1).
[...]
I put this in a systemd run script with all the ambidecoder and so on stuff I
need connected.
Any objections to this approach, since I am not really a systemd or dbus guru,
just got it from man pages.
mfg
winfried
Am Dienstag, 14. Februar 2017, 16:39:30 CET schrieb Fokke de Jong:
Hi Guys,
I’m trying to set up a minimal audio system (without X11) based on the
ubuntu mini-iso.
When trying to start jack, i get this dbus error message:
...
sudo /usr/bin/jackd -p512 -dalsa -r48000 -p64 -n2 -D -Chw:MADIFXtest
-Phw:MADIFXtest jackdmp 1.9.10
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2013 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
Failed to connect to session bus for device reservation Unable to autolaunch
a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11
Audio device hw:MADIFXtest cannot be acquired...
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open failed with -1
Failed to open server
...
I’ve seen others mention the error but have not really found a solution. I
guess part of the problem is that I’m not really sure what the error means
:-) So if anyone could be so kind to enlighten me?
cheers,
Fokke
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