18 Nov
2018
18 Nov
'18
10:22 a.m.
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very long time, but recently I
contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was discovered in
Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary upgrades.
However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the code. In
his own words:
"... would be happy to host and do what I can to facilitate a handoff to
someone else who wants to manage it."
For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean site aimed
specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with Linux - something
rather rare!
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
19 Nov
19 Nov
10:50 a.m.
On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 08:22 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote:
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very long
time, but recently
I contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was
discovered in Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary
upgrades.
However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the
code. In his own words:
"... would be happy to host and do what I can to facilitate a handoff
to someone else who wants to manage it."
For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean
site aimed specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with
Linux - something rather rare!
I think it would be easier and more manageable to just have a group on
soundcloud (or similar) where we collect music made in Linux. This
would remove the obstacle keeping the LAM site down (lack of time to
keep up with updates/security fixes)...
Cheers
/Daniel
10:52 a.m.
Completely agree with Daniel here. And Soundcloud or even a YouTube channel
(or both) are far more accessible to listeners as well.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 9:50 AM Daniel Swärd <excds(a)kth.se> wrote:
On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 08:22 +0000, Will Godfrey
wrote:
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very
long time, but recently
I contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was
discovered in Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary
upgrades.
However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the
code. In his own words:
"... would be happy to host and do what I can to facilitate a handoff
to someone else who wants to manage it."
For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean
site aimed specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with
Linux - something rather rare!
I think it would be easier and more manageable to just have a group on
soundcloud (or similar) where we collect music made in Linux. This
would remove the obstacle keeping the LAM site down (lack of time to
keep up with updates/security fixes)...
Cheers
/Daniel
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9:49 p.m.
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:52:31 +0100
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Completely agree with Daniel here. And Soundcloud or
even a YouTube channel
(or both) are far more accessible to listeners as well.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
Soundcloud no longer has groups, They removed then with no discussion and very
little warning a couple of years ago.
Youtube is a flytrap and slowly increasing it's use of forced advertising.
'Easier' is not necessarily 'Better' :(
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but trying to catch the good bits.
10:19 p.m.
Install an Ad Blocker, Will. YouTube is definitely more reliable than some
website that will at any time go offline for months, and Linux Audio music
might actually get some exposure.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:49 PM Will J Godfrey <WillGodfrey(a)musically.me.uk>
wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:52:31 +0100
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Completely agree with Daniel here. And Soundcloud
or even a YouTube
channel
(or both) are far more accessible to listeners as
well.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
Soundcloud no longer has groups, They removed then with no discussion and
very
little warning a couple of years ago.
Youtube is a flytrap and slowly increasing it's use of forced advertising.
'Easier' is not necessarily 'Better' :(
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... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you,
but trying to catch the good bits.
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10:34 p.m.
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018, Will J Godfrey wrote:
Youtube is a flytrap and slowly increasing it's
use of forced advertising.
The words "your video will play after this advertisement" are becoming
less true all the time. Instead after the first ad you will likely get
hit by a second add...
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20 Nov
20 Nov
1:45 a.m.
I've been happy with Archive.org for hosting the Open Source Musician
Podcast. We could create a collection there.
_Spencer
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:25 PM Will J Godfrey <WillGodfrey(a)musically.me.uk>
wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:52:31 +0100
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Completely agree with Daniel here. And Soundcloud
or even a YouTube
channel
(or both) are far more accessible to listeners as
well.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
Soundcloud no longer has groups, They removed then with no discussion and
very
little warning a couple of years ago.
Youtube is a flytrap and slowly increasing it's use of forced advertising.
'Easier' is not necessarily 'Better' :(
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4:22 a.m.
Archive.org is a great suggestion! Despite google's largesse at the
moment, archive.org preserves digital archives. Google may do what
Google may do.
That said, why not both? A mirrored approach would reach more folks and
provide more assurances that if some archive or the other dries up, the
collection doesn't go *poof* along with it.
A self-hosted central website to upload and organize, which uploads a
mirror of all contributed to both youtube and archive.org. (And maybe
soundcloud if they have an API.)
I'd be happy to work on the tool that does the mirror uploading.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Spencer Jackson wrote:
I've been happy with Archive.org for hosting the
Open Source Musician
Podcast. We could create a collection there.>
_Spencer
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:25 PM Will J Godfrey
<WillGodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:52:31 +0100
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev Completely agree with Daniel here. And Soundcloud
or even a YouTube
channel>> >(or both) are far more accessible to listeners as well.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
Soundcloud no longer has groups, They removed then with no
discussion and very>> little warning a couple of years ago.
Youtube is a flytrap and slowly increasing it's use of forced
advertising.>>
'Easier' is not necessarily 'Better' :(
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11:20 a.m.
On 20/11/2018 00.44, Spencer Jackson wrote:
I've been happy with Archive.org for hosting the
Open Source Musician
Podcast. We could create a collection there.
That would be very convenient, as I already have all my tracks there.
Tagging them all with "Linux" as a Topic wasn't the most clever thing to
do, as search results for that are "polluted" with podcasts ;)
My tracks are in 10 collections now, most of which or of the "Usernames
Favorites" kind. I wasn't even aware of that, until looking just now.
Given lots of those, the visibility of a "Linux Audio" collection would
be very low, it seems.
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2:54 p.m.
I think having several options is the best idea. Having a Linux Audio or
smth like that on YouTube, archive.org, a user on Soundcloud.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:41 PM Spencer Jackson <ssjackson71(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I've been happy with Archive.org for hosting the
Open Source Musician
Podcast. We could create a collection there.
_Spencer
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:25 PM Will J Godfrey <
WillGodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:52:31 +0100
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Completely agree with Daniel here. And Soundcloud
or even a YouTube
channel
(or both) are far more accessible to listeners as
well.
Louigi Verona
https://louigiverona.com/
Soundcloud no longer has groups, They removed then with no discussion and
very
little warning a couple of years ago.
Youtube is a flytrap and slowly increasing it's use of forced advertising.
'Easier' is not necessarily 'Better' :(
--
It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was)
... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you,
but trying to catch the good bits.
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21 Nov
21 Nov
10:14 a.m.
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:54:11 +0100
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think having several options is the best idea.
Having a Linux Audio
or smth like that on YouTube, archive.org, a user on Soundcloud.
There seem to be self-hosted youtube alternatives these days, like
https://joinpeertube.org/ but I haven't used them myself.
20 Nov
20 Nov
5:16 p.m.
On Sun, November 18, 2018 09:22, Will Godfrey wrote:
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very long
time, but recently I
contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was
discovered in Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary
upgrades.
However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the
code. In his own words: "... would be happy to host and do what I can to
facilitate a handoff to someone else who wants to manage it."
For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean site
aimed specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with Linux -
something rather rare!
How many tracks are currently "homeless", how many gigabytes? I guess the
code would be hard to re-use. Tracks could be moved relatively easy to
another place if metadata is clean.
Greetings
Thomas
11:42 p.m.
There is also a COMPEL project that I am currently heading and which is
designed to facilitate interfacing between composers and performers. It
offers preservation of both performances (archiving) and the materials
for the necessary reproduction of the work itself, including software.
The platform offers multiple licensing options from fully open source to
commercial and is therefore completely license-agnostic (all copyrights
remain with their owner). It is hosted by my university and in the
coming weeks we are preparing for the soft-launch. It supports
groups/collections and is based on the leading open-source
preservational platform developed by the network of libraries worldwide.
Please let me know if you are interested in this and I will gladly keep
you posted.
Best,
Ico
On 11/20/2018 10:14 AM, Thomas Brand wrote:
On Sun, November 18, 2018 09:22, Will Godfrey wrote:
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very
long time, but recently I
contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was
discovered in Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary
upgrades.
However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the
code. In his own words: "... would be happy to host and do what I can to
facilitate a handoff to someone else who wants to manage it."
For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean site
aimed specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with Linux -
something rather rare!
How many tracks are currently "homeless", how many gigabytes? I guess
the
code would be hard to re-use. Tracks could be moved relatively easy to
another place if metadata is clean.
Greetings
Thomas
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21 Nov
21 Nov
3:42 a.m.
On 11/20/2018 04:42 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
There is also a COMPEL project that I am currently
heading and which is
designed to facilitate interfacing between composers and performers. It
offers preservation of both performances (archiving) and the materials
for the necessary reproduction of the work itself, including software.
The platform offers multiple licensing options from fully open source to
commercial and is therefore completely license-agnostic (all copyrights
remain with their owner). It is hosted by my university and in the
coming weeks we are preparing for the soft-launch. It supports
groups/collections and is based on the leading open-source
preservational platform developed by the network of libraries worldwide.
Please let me know if you are interested in this and I will gladly keep
you posted.
Best,
Ico
This sounds cool. Yes, do let us know. Thanks.
Tim.
On 11/20/2018 10:14 AM, Thomas Brand wrote:
> On Sun, November 18, 2018 09:22, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very long time, but recently I
>> contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
>>
>> The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was
>> discovered in Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary
>> upgrades.
>>
>> However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the
>> code. In his own words: "... would be happy to host and do what I can to
>> facilitate a handoff to someone else who wants to manage it."
>>
>> For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean site
>> aimed specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with Linux -
>> something rather rare!
>>
> How many tracks are currently "homeless", how many gigabytes? I guess the
> code would be hard to re-use. Tracks could be moved relatively easy to
> another place if metadata is clean.
>
> Greetings
> Thomas
11:43 a.m.
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:42:44 -0500
Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico.bukvic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There is also a COMPEL project that I am currently
heading and which is
designed to facilitate interfacing between composers and performers. It
offers preservation of both performances (archiving) and the materials
for the necessary reproduction of the work itself, including software.
The platform offers multiple licensing options from fully open source to
commercial and is therefore completely license-agnostic (all copyrights
remain with their owner). It is hosted by my university and in the
coming weeks we are preparing for the soft-launch. It supports
groups/collections and is based on the leading open-source
preservational platform developed by the network of libraries worldwide.
Please let me know if you are interested in this and I will gladly keep
you posted.
Best,
Ico
On 11/20/2018 10:14 AM, Thomas Brand wrote:
> On Sun, November 18, 2018 09:22, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very long time, but recently I
>> contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
>>
>> The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was
>> discovered in Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary
>> upgrades.
>>
>> However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the
>> code. In his own words: "... would be happy to host and do what I can to
>> facilitate a handoff to someone else who wants to manage it."
>>
>> For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean site
>> aimed specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with Linux -
>> something rather rare!
>>
> How many tracks are currently "homeless", how many gigabytes? I guess the
> code would be hard to re-use. Tracks could be moved relatively easy to
> another place if metadata is clean.
>
> Greetings
> Thomas
Some very interesting responses, and I like this the most. It would be good to
be able to fetch the existing material from Hans.
Hmmm. Thinking about it, I really can't remember if it was actually stored
music, or links to other sources. If the latter, much of it may now be
missing :(
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12:34 p.m.
The question everyone should ask themselves here is what problem are we
trying to solve.
If we just want a resource for us, 20 people in this thread, then it
doesn't matter, go for PeerTube or someone's personal server, or try an
experimental startup that can be gone tomorrow.
If we want music produced with Linux Audio tools to be accessible,
searchable and referable by a more general public, YouTube, Soundcloud and
other proven solutions should be used.
Look, guys, saying that Soundcloud is going to just disappear or YouTube is
going to become impossible to use - all of that is bullshit. Seriously. It
is far more likely that some PeerTube, an unproven new startup, will fail
than YouTube or Soundcloud. And yes, YouTube has ads. And people watch it
anyway. Help yourself by installing an ad blocker.
But, at the end of the day, if our primary reason is to make content
produced with Linux Audio to be more accessible to the outside world, we
would have to rely on tools that the outside world actually uses. Creating
a forum (in the age of forums, which is of course 2018, right) or going to
some obscure Creative Commons haven is not going to be very effective.
Nobody cares about Creative Commons (not a literal statement, but you know
what I mean). They just open YouTube, Spotify or Soundcloud and listen.
And, btw, both YT and Soundcloud offer your Creative Commons options.
If our goal, however, is to just create a small sandbox for the Linux Audio
geeks themselves, then this conversation is not worth the time, because we
can just use whatever. People here talk through IRC and compile shit.
Louigi.
20 Nov
20 Nov
10:27 p.m.
On 11/18/2018 03:22 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very long
time, but recently I
contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
The reason he closed it was because of a serious vulnerability was discovered in
Rails, and he no longer had time to do the necessary upgrades.
However, he has told me that he still has the entire database and the code. In
his own words:
"... would be happy to host and do what I can to facilitate a handoff to
someone else who wants to manage it."
For anyone who doesn't know, this was a relatively simple and clean site aimed
specifically at providing a home for tracks composed with Linux - something
rather rare!
I would like to suggest that contributors be strongly encouraged
to upload PROJECTS, not just finished songs.
This would be far more valuable to a Linux user and would warrant
the made with Linux tag.
Users could download projects for Ardour, QTractor, MusE and so on.
They could learn not just what the finished song sounds like,
but actually how it was made and how to accomplish composition,
arrangements, mixing, engineering, and so on.
It would be ironic that it would be called music made with
Linux and yet might only offer closed, finished songs.
Who cares what was used to make a closed, finished song?
Who purposely searches for finished songs made with Linux over
songs made with something else?
Tim.
21 Nov
21 Nov
2:42 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 4:45 PM Tim <termtech(a)rogers.com> wrote:
On 11/18/2018 03:22 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
<snip>
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very
long time, but recently I
contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
I would like to suggest that contributors be strongly
encouraged
to upload PROJECTS, not just finished songs.
+1,+1,+1,...
This would be far more valuable to a Linux user and would warrant
the made with Linux tag.
Users could download projects for Ardour, QTractor, MusE and so on.
They could learn not just what the finished song sounds like,
but actually how it was made and how to accomplish composition,
arrangements, mixing, engineering, and so on.
And if it gets too big... (for instance in the case of ardour and actual
multitrack audio recording) at least a "cleaned up" project with all the
unused takes removed etc. to make it a little easier to deal with.
It would be ironic that it would be called music made with
Linux and yet might only offer closed, finished songs.
Who cares what was used to make a closed, finished song?
Who purposely searches for finished songs made with Linux over
songs made with something else?
Tim.
all the best,
drew
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3:37 a.m.
On 11/20/2018 07:42 PM, drew Roberts wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 4:45 PM Tim <termtech(a)rogers.com
<mailto:termtech@rogers.com>> wrote:
On 11/18/2018 03:22 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
Yeah, the "elephant in the room", literally.
Instead of one ~40MB uncompressed audio file it's now several
~40MB audio tracks even after unused takes and so on are removed.
And there's the project 'dependencies' - plugins and so on.
RPM, Deb anyone? He he. Strange word to use with music - 'dependencies'.
I once mentioned an idea to use an actual versioning system like git
or cvs for MusE's undo/redo system and song file structure.
Users could 'share' projects like a program. It would remember
all past 'commits and pushes' to the song. Like the NON- apps family.
FLAC compression or similar might help with the storage.
Although, it makes it awkward to have to download and uncompress first.
MusE will read FLAC files and (I think) write to them again.
Not sure how other apps deal with compression.
Various projects might be scattered across the 'net.
It might be good to house them, or link to them,
on the site along with finished songs too.
Tim.
Linux Audio Music has been dormant for a very
long time, but
recently I
contacted the the person who hosted and ran it.
<snip>
I would like to suggest that contributors be strongly encouraged
to upload PROJECTS, not just finished songs.
+1,+1,+1,...
This would be far more valuable to a Linux user and would warrant
the made with Linux tag.
Users could download projects for Ardour, QTractor, MusE and so on.
They could learn not just what the finished song sounds like,
but actually how it was made and how to accomplish composition,
arrangements, mixing, engineering, and so on.
And if it gets too big... (for instance in the case of ardour and actual
multitrack audio recording) at least a "cleaned up" project with all the
unused takes removed etc. to make it a little easier to deal with.
It would be ironic that it would be called music made with
Linux and yet might only offer closed, finished songs.
Who cares what was used to make a closed, finished song?
Who purposely searches for finished songs made with Linux over
songs made with something else?
Tim.
all the best,
drew
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5:58 p.m.
Am 20.11.18 um 21:27 schrieb Tim:
I would like to suggest that contributors be strongly
encouraged
to upload PROJECTS, not just finished songs.
FWIW, some of the submissions of the
Open Source Music FM Synthesizer
Challenge published their projects. Links to them can be found on the
details page of the respective tracks:
https://fmchallenge.osamc.de/list/
Chris
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