26 Aug
2014
26 Aug
'14
7:39 p.m.
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't think such as feature as I'm about to
describe exists.
I'm making lots of use of the MIDI track functionality. I find myself
wanting to take an audio segment, convert it to sample, and then use it on
a midi track. I don't believe there is a way to do this without the aide
of an external sampler program.
My dream feature? Click on segment, select "convert to sample" and a new
midi track appears linked to a plugin sampler, ready to play.
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Devin
26 Aug
26 Aug
8:19 p.m.
On Tue, 2014-08-26 at 12:39 -0500, Devin Venable wrote:
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't think such
as feature as I'm about
to describe exists.
I'm making lots of use of the MIDI track functionality. I find myself
wanting to take an audio segment, convert it to sample, and then use
it on a midi track. I don't believe there is a way to do this without
the aide of an external sampler program.
My dream feature? Click on segment, select "convert to sample" and a
new midi track appears linked to a plugin sampler, ready to play.
While I guess to understand the idea, I disagree and recommend to handle
this tasks individually/manually. I don't use Ardour for MIDI, but it
doesn't mater regarding to my opinion about your feature request. Good
samples need layers, how should layers be detected? Your request likely
is possible as long as no features a sampler should provide are needed,
IOW a sampler automagiocally only could provide what you can do by
copying the segment, so simply copy the segment, is less resource
hungry. As soon as you want the features a sampler provides, I doubt
that just "move file.wave to sampler-midi note on x" could do the trick.
9 p.m.
On Aug 26, 2014, at 14:19, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
Good
samples need layers, how should layers be detected?
From the OP description, what he wants is not actually a "sampler" as you would
think of it historically, with layers and such, but something that might be called a
"clip player" like certain ones that are popular with the kids these days.
Thanks,
Bill Gribble
9:09 p.m.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bill Gribble <grib(a)billgribble.com> wrote:
Yes, he's wanting MIDI-triggered loops. I think SooperLooper or Renoise may
be more in line with what he needs.
On Aug 26, 2014, at 14:19, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net>
wrote:
Good
samples need layers, how should layers be detected?
From the OP description, what he wants is not actually a "sampler" as you
would think of it historically, with layers and such, but something that
might be called a "clip player" like certain ones that are popular with the
kids these days.
11:51 p.m.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:39:43 -0500
Devin Venable <venable.devin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't think such
as feature as I'm about
to describe exists.
I'm making lots of use of the MIDI track functionality. I find myself
wanting to take an audio segment, convert it to sample, and then use
it on a midi track. I don't believe there is a way to do this
without the aide of an external sampler program.
My dream feature? Click on segment, select "convert to sample" and a
new midi track appears linked to a plugin sampler, ready to play.
I've wanted something similar, a piano-roll type audio track, which
would be geared much less toward hard disk recording, and much more
toward fragments of audio - samples iow. Obviously not really for live
use. I did have a little look into modifying Ardour2 for such use but
only got as far as modifying it to glue audio to beats and bars by
default.
James.
27 Aug
27 Aug
2:58 a.m.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:39:43 -0500
Devin Venable <venable.devin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't think such
as feature as I'm about
to describe exists.
I'm making lots of use of the MIDI track functionality. I find myself
wanting to take an audio segment, convert it to sample, and then use
it on a midi track. I don't believe there is a way to do this
without the aide of an external sampler program.
My dream feature? Click on segment, select "convert to sample" and a
new midi track appears linked to a plugin sampler, ready to play.
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Devin
One workflow that maybe comes close is exporting the sample from ardour
(it *should* be reasonably easy to do) and loading it into for example
samplv1. Its more clicks than what you imagine but it might be workable.
Regards,
Philipp
10:15 a.m.
On 26.08.2014 19:39, Devin Venable wrote:
My dream feature? Click on segment, select
"convert to sample" and a
new midi track appears linked to a plugin sampler, ready to play.
I could have used something like that a few times.
Being an architecture astronaut by hobby, I've been wondering about the
differences and commonalities between (audio-)sequencers and samplers.
In both cases you have an abstraction on top of actual audio-files and
playback start/stop. But playback is parameterized differently. The
sequencer has a timeline position and transport state, while the sampler
takes notes (and potentially a bunch of control events).
Lets think of a track in a sequencer to actually be a mapping of a
playlist to a playback graph. The playlist can be reduced to a sequence
of events. The playback graph consists of at least a playback engine and
may contain an effect chain.
In typical sequencer use, for pure audio tracks, a playlist will contain
regions that map to audio-files. That part of it can be reduced to a
sequence of audio-sample-values, as main input to the playback engine.
There may be other events/automation, all being inputs to the playback
graph. The general idea is that you always deal with sequences of events
as inputs to a playback graph.
Now all of that is coupled to a single, global playback control,
consisting of transport state and timeline position. What if you could
choose to decouple tracks from global control and make them take
note-events for playback control instead? If the playback engine can
variate playback speed in relation to note-value, you have a basic
sampler. If the playback engine also offers realtime
pitch-shifting/time-stretching and formant control, you have wonderland.
Note that you would not be limited to control a decoupled track's
position and state by notes. There could also be direct control with
start/stop/speed (including negative) and locate/go-to events. Tracks
that play tracks ... Mmwuhahahaha!
--
Thorsten Wilms
thorwil's design for free software:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
28 Aug
28 Aug
11:05 p.m.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 10:15:47 +0200
Thorsten Wilms <self(a)thorstenwilms.com> wrote:
On 26.08.2014 19:39, Devin Venable wrote:
That's a more detailed description of what I thought about. I think it
could still be possible to have layers - like in a sampler - but
another editor view would be required. I think also loop points would
work fine. The problem of course would be representation, and, well,
development.
My dream feature? Click on segment, select
"convert to sample" and
a new midi track appears linked to a plugin sampler, ready to play.
I could have used something like that a few times.
Being an architecture astronaut by hobby, I've been wondering about
the differences and commonalities between (audio-)sequencers and
samplers. In both cases you have an abstraction on top of actual
audio-files and playback start/stop. But playback is parameterized
differently. The sequencer has a timeline position and transport
state, while the sampler takes notes (and potentially a bunch of
control events).
Lets think of a track in a sequencer to actually be a mapping of a
playlist to a playback graph. The playlist can be reduced to a
sequence of events. The playback graph consists of at least a
playback engine and may contain an effect chain.
In typical sequencer use, for pure audio tracks, a playlist will
contain regions that map to audio-files. That part of it can be
reduced to a sequence of audio-sample-values, as main input to the
playback engine. There may be other events/automation, all being
inputs to the playback graph. The general idea is that you always
deal with sequences of events as inputs to a playback graph.
Now all of that is coupled to a single, global playback control,
consisting of transport state and timeline position. What if you
could choose to decouple tracks from global control and make them
take note-events for playback control instead? If the playback engine
can variate playback speed in relation to note-value, you have a
basic sampler. If the playback engine also offers realtime
pitch-shifting/time-stretching and formant control, you have
wonderland.
Note that you would not be limited to control a decoupled track's
position and state by notes. There could also be direct control with
start/stop/speed (including negative) and locate/go-to events. Tracks
that play tracks ... Mmwuhahahaha!
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