21 Sep
2013
21 Sep
'13
9:18 a.m.
My last words to and perhaps reading of the threads about the evil that
someone forked a project from Fons, that was GPL'ed by Fons and nobody
else.
Nobody showed a violation of the GPL by Maurizio M. Gavioli, just a
mistake he seemingly is willing to correct after I contacted him,
something Fons could have done too. Humans tend to make mistakes. If
Fons makes a mistake it's ok, if somebody else makes a mistake she/he is
bad, should shut up, should stop forking a project, should be fired.
Fons made a mistake, he chose the GPL, while he disagrees with the GPL.
And now I read to often "please, please Fons, continue writing GPL'ed
software, we will reinterpret the GPL for you".
Fons is free to stop contributing or to continue contributing by using
another license, but if he chose the GPL, he's the only one to blame and
not Maurizio M. Gavioli. Calling him simple-minded (because he is one of
those Fons was talking about, even while he didn't use Maurizio's name)
is offending netiquette, not forking the project is offending
netiquette.
"Aeolus is meant to emulate a pipe organ, including the limits of a real
one. It's not meant to be a backend to some sequencer or notation
software, or a general-purpose additive synthesiser." - Fons
Maurizio M. Gavioli seems to fork it, for usage with notation software.
Any discussion about something that should be wrong with doing this, is
a shame and does harm the GPL.
Regards,
Ralf
21 Sep
21 Sep
9:26 a.m.
If you provide a summary (even with your spin on it) please provide
full quotes for everything you refer to. In particular provide the
context for the "simple-minded" quote. Don't provide context only
selectively.
On 9/21/13, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
My last words to and perhaps reading of the threads
about the evil that
someone forked a project from Fons, that was GPL'ed by Fons and nobody
else.
Nobody showed a violation of the GPL by Maurizio M. Gavioli, just a
mistake he seemingly is willing to correct after I contacted him,
something Fons could have done too. Humans tend to make mistakes. If
Fons makes a mistake it's ok, if somebody else makes a mistake she/he is
bad, should shut up, should stop forking a project, should be fired.
Fons made a mistake, he chose the GPL, while he disagrees with the GPL.
And now I read to often "please, please Fons, continue writing GPL'ed
software, we will reinterpret the GPL for you".
Fons is free to stop contributing or to continue contributing by using
another license, but if he chose the GPL, he's the only one to blame and
not Maurizio M. Gavioli. Calling him simple-minded (because he is one of
those Fons was talking about, even while he didn't use Maurizio's name)
is offending netiquette, not forking the project is offending
netiquette.
"Aeolus is meant to emulate a pipe organ, including the limits of a real
one. It's not meant to be a backend to some sequencer or notation
software, or a general-purpose additive synthesiser." - Fons
Maurizio M. Gavioli seems to fork it, for usage with notation software.
Any discussion about something that should be wrong with doing this, is
a shame and does harm the GPL.
Regards,
Ralf
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9:40 a.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 10:26 +0300, Dan Muresan wrote:
If you provide a summary (even with your spin on it)
please provide
full quotes for everything you refer to. In particular provide the
context for the "simple-minded" quote. Don't provide context only
selectively.
My apologies, good that I still did read the mails regarding to this
thread. I don't like to continue the discussion, but I will correct my
mistake.
The full quote is here:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2013-September/034216…
The context still is the context, is the context, is the context and I
guess that people followed the thread. Sorry again!
All shorten quotes IMO were not shamming another content, but I might be
wrong. All quotes in full length can be found in those archives:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/
and on github
https://github.com/mgavioli/oscAeolus/issues/1
Regards,
Ralf
9:47 a.m.
As I said, when providing a **summary**, i.e. a text that people can
read without interruption to make up their minds, please provide the
quotations **in-text**, with full context (and, yes, perhaps with
URLs). Do not provide in-text quotations selectively. You've included
selected quotations in-text to support your points, while only
alluding to other quotations without posting them.
No, obvious reference links do not help.
You're already making a case that few people will support. You might
as least quote fairly instead of selectively, even if you put your
spin on the whole exchange.
On 9/21/13, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 10:26 +0300, Dan Muresan wrote:
If you provide a summary (even with your spin on
it) please provide
full quotes for everything you refer to. In particular provide the
context for the "simple-minded" quote. Don't provide context only
selectively.
My apologies, good that I still did read the mails regarding to this
thread. I don't like to continue the discussion, but I will correct my
mistake.
The full quote is here:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2013-September/034216…
The context still is the context, is the context, is the context and I
guess that people followed the thread. Sorry again!
All shorten quotes IMO were not shamming another content, but I might be
wrong. All quotes in full length can be found in those archives:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/
and on github
https://github.com/mgavioli/oscAeolus/issues/1
Regards,
Ralf
9:52 a.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 10:47 +0300, Dan Muresan wrote:
on :-)
You mean this:
As I said, when providing a **summary**, i.e. a text
that people can
read without interruption to make up their minds, please provide the
quotations **in-text**, with full context (and, yes, perhaps with
URLs). Do not provide in-text quotations selectively. You've included
selected quotations in-text to support your points, while only
alluding to other quotations without posting them.
No, obvious reference links do not help.
You're already making a case that few people will support. You might
as least quote fairly instead of selectively, even if you put your
spin on the whole exchange.
On 9/21/13, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 10:26 +0300, Dan Muresan wrote:
>> If you provide a summary (even with your spin on it) please provide
>> full quotes for everything you refer to. In particular provide the
>> context for the "simple-minded" quote. Don't provide context only
>> selectively.
>
> My apologies, good that I still did read the mails regarding to this
> thread. I don't like to continue the discussion, but I will correct my
> mistake.
>
> The full quote is here:
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2013-September/034216…
^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the text:
[LAD] forking (was Re: Aeolus)
Fons Adriaensen fons at linuxaudio.org
Fri Sep 20 20:24:12 UTC 2013
Previous message: [LAD] forking (was Re: Aeolus)
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On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:04:57PM +0200, Felix Homann wrote:
Am 20.09.2013 21:56 schrieb "Fons
Adriaensen" <fons at
linuxaudio.org>:
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 09:52:06PM +0200, Felix Homann
wrote:
>
> > Would you mind Maurizio Gavioli to play around with your
code in
private?
>
> No.
>
> > don't think so. So why do you mind him sharing his
'playground'?
Why do you think I should feel the same about both ?
Because of the things I have written and you didn't comment You might argue that he better not published his
toying
around. But then
again you possibly forced him to do so: Just imagine
he gave a
binary to
someone. Then by the license *you* have chosen for
your code
*he* is
*obliged* to share his code - no matter how good or
worth
publishing it is.
I did not force him to anything. Giving a binary to anyone is
*his*
decision, not mine. And all that the original license obliges
him to
do in that case is to give the sources the same person.
A 'fork' on github is a convenient way to
comply with GPL
licenses.
'Convenient' is the key word here. Some people only think
of what's 'convenient' to them, everything else is too much
for their simple minds.
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
The context still is the context, is the context, is the context and I
guess that people followed the thread. Sorry again!
All shorten quotes IMO were not shamming another content, but I might be
wrong. All quotes in full length can be found in those archives:
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/
and on github
https://github.com/mgavioli/oscAeolus/issues/1
Regards,
Ralf
9:41 a.m.
Am 21.09.2013 09:38, schrieb Felix Homann:
Am 21.09.2013 09:18 schrieb "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net
<mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>>:
Looks like Ralf drive his self to the limits and push fire in the water.
:-D
And now I read to often "please, please Fons, continue writing GPL'ed
software, we will reinterpret the GPL for you".
I can't remember having seen such comments in the original threads.
9:45 a.m.
On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 09:38 +0200, Felix Homann wrote:
Am 21.09.2013 09:18 schrieb "Ralf Mardorf"
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net>et>:
This isn't a quote, but it's my interpretation of some replies. Please,
now I like to stop this discussion.
Regards,
Ralf
And now I read to often "please, please Fons, continue writing
GPL'ed
software, we will reinterpret the GPL for
you".
I can't remember having seen such comments in the original threads.
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