11 Nov
2010
11 Nov
'10
12:23 a.m.
They're a corporation. Of course they're meant to make money. I know that
already. Be more polite, please. ;)
I'm
afraid you're drew the wrong implication about myself from that
statement, but perhaps I should have been more clear. I meant that
Google likes to see open source in a resume. If they see that you
developed for open source projects and talk about it in an interview (if
you get one), they will be more likely to hire you. The Google
representativs at the panel emphasized this point many times. I hope
you understand where I was coming from now.
Best,
Kris
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From: fons(a)kokkinizita.net
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Subject: Re: [LAD] What do you do for a living?
To: "Kris C" <cpczk(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: "Linux Audio Developers Mailing List"
<linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 2:44 PM
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 07:17:24PM -0800, Kris C wrote:
Google just loooooves open source and those involved.
Quite naive. Google doesn't want to share its profits with
Microsoft, that's all. For the the rest, it's and advertising
machine meant to make money. The rest is just an means to this
end. Wake up to reality, please.
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
11 Nov
11 Nov
1:02 a.m.
New subject: What do you do for a living?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Kris Calabio <cpczk(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm afraid you're drew the wrong implication
about myself from that statement, but perhaps I should have been more clear. I meant that
Google likes to see open source in a resume. If they see that you developed for open
source projects and talk about it in an interview (if you get one), they will be more
likely to hire you. The Google representativs at the panel emphasized this point many
times.
Right - having good commits in a serious project shows you're smart
and can get things done.
But they also like open source in another way: they use lots (LOTS) of it,
and they know they owe the community.
RMS never had anything against companies making profits with free software,
as long as they contributed their changes back.
And Google does; they sponsored lots of profile-driven optimization work in gcc,
containers and networking changes to the kernel, and for a while, lots of
improvements to Wine. (Something I was happy to be involved with.)
Plus they sponsor 500-1000 students every summer to work on open
source projects.
And they pay Andrew Morton's salary... and they helped drive the state of art in
free/open source web browsers forward... the list goes on and on.
So, say what you will about Google, but the free / open source community
has benefited greatly from their efforts.
- Dan
2:08 a.m.
New subject: What do you do for a living?
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote:
So, say what you will about Google, but the free /
open source community
has benefited greatly from their efforts.
and specifically, in the context of this mailing list, google were the
primary sponsors of dave robillard's work on MIDI in ardour3. would
the work have been done without google's GSoC sponsorships in 2
separate years? perhaps. has a lot of work been done outside the
context of GSoc? absolutely. was GSoC absolutely critical in making
this happen? definitely.
--p
3:45 a.m.
New subject: What do you do for a living?
On Wed, November 10, 2010 5:08 pm, Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Dan Kegel
<dank(a)kegel.com> wrote:
Here in Sydney, Google headquarters host plenty of community events and
provide free food/drinks. That is very handy when you don't have any money
to eat. I use Google software all the time. A significant proportion of my
productivity is not possible without Google search.
I work as a webdev/sysadmin/project manager/support technician/software
developer/mobile app developer/Document writer/DJ/producer/event
promoter/web marketer/analyst/solution provider/blogger/affiliate marketer
and general know it all kind of guy.
90% of my current income is only possible because of the 11 years I have
been involved with Linux Audio Development. The other 10% comes from my
ability to manage time effectively (or not).
When I am overloaded with projects I try to get my main income provider to
pay someone else to assist me rather than stop working on the things I
actually enjoy. I tend to ask here first in case someone is available.
It usually works out.
If I work quickly I can often get ahead of my colleagues which also gives
me some time to spend on things I actually enjoy.
Sometimes I just do stuff because I feel like it. Then I usually have to
catch up on other stuff so I have to be careful to balance that out.
Consequently I do not work well in environments where punching in at
regular hours is mandatory. I have had varying success in larger companies
and smaller. It really depends on the core values of the people I work
with.
For example, do they want to get things done or do they want to monitor
the clock and meet KPI's?
For several years I was a part time ESL teacher in Korea and Thailand.
That pays the bills too. Now I am *exclusively* involved in
web/software/music/mobile development.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.
"This is the basis of the Bohm interpretation of quantum mechanics, which
requires that all particles in the universe be able to instantaneously
exchange information with all others."
So, say what you will about Google, but the free
/ open source community
has benefited greatly from their efforts.
and specifically, in the context of this mailing list, google were the
primary sponsors of dave robillard's work on MIDI in ardour3. would
the work have been done without google's GSoC sponsorships in 2
separate years? perhaps. has a lot of work been done outside the
context of GSoc? absolutely. was GSoC absolutely critical in making
this happen? definitely.
4:13 a.m.
New subject: What do you do for a living?
On Wed, November 10, 2010 6:45 pm, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On Wed, November 10, 2010 5:08 pm, Paul Davis wrote:
I can add to that list with firmware/hardware development/product
design/Quality Assurance/User Interface design/Usability
testing/e-commerce/B2B/graphic
design/editor/publisher/accountant/performer
In other words anything and everything that allows me to do what I need to
do to get income ;-) I do have some limits for paid work. In that case I
tend to do it for free or pay for the experience. Somethings I just won't
go near. Pretty much anything to do with the military, politics or
religion. Some people are much less idealistic than I when it comes to
making a living from those industries.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Dan Kegel
<dank(a)kegel.com> wrote:
Here in Sydney, Google headquarters host plenty of community events and
provide free food/drinks. That is very handy when you don't have any money
to eat. I use Google software all the time. A significant proportion of my
productivity is not possible without Google search.
I work as a webdev/sysadmin/project manager/support technician/software
developer/mobile app developer/Document writer/DJ/producer/event
promoter/web marketer/analyst/solution provider/blogger/affiliate marketer
and general know it all kind of guy. So, say what you will about Google, but the free
/ open source
community
has benefited greatly from their efforts.
and specifically, in the context of this mailing list, google were the
primary sponsors of dave robillard's work on MIDI in ardour3. would
the work have been done without google's GSoC sponsorships in 2
separate years? perhaps. has a lot of work been done outside the
context of GSoc? absolutely. was GSoC absolutely critical in making
this happen? definitely.
90% of my current income is only possible because of the 11 years I have
been involved with Linux Audio Development. The other 10% comes from my
ability to manage time effectively (or not).
When I am overloaded with projects I try to get my main income provider to
pay someone else to assist me rather than stop working on the things I
actually enjoy. I tend to ask here first in case someone is available.
It usually works out.
If I work quickly I can often get ahead of my colleagues which also gives
me some time to spend on things I actually enjoy.
Sometimes I just do stuff because I feel like it. Then I usually have to
catch up on other stuff so I have to be careful to balance that out.
Consequently I do not work well in environments where punching in at
regular hours is mandatory. I have had varying success in larger companies
and smaller. It really depends on the core values of the people I work
with.
For example, do they want to get things done or do they want to monitor
the clock and meet KPI's?
For several years I was a part time ESL teacher in Korea and Thailand.
That pays the bills too. Now I am *exclusively* involved in
web/software/music/mobile development.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.
"This is the basis of the Bohm interpretation of quantum mechanics, which
requires that all particles in the universe be able to instantaneously
exchange information with all others."
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