On 01/30/2010 08:32 PM, Marius Stoica wrote:
Hi, I'd like to add a few words.
When I first listen to your soundfile I was very disappointed (I said to myself that this is an excess of intention or just a buggy soundfile), but after reading the other mails I definitely think that this is something to be criticized.

No offense, but here it goes:

You can not advertise something to be something that it isn't. I mean, sorry, but did you even read the article about tech house on Wikipedia or the Ishkur's guide to electronic music sound examples on tech house. And you can not say that this file is just "unprocessed", I mean if you look at the waveform and listen to the sound there's obviously something wrong with it, a codec problem or just a bad recording.


The track has issues in it's unprocessed form. That's why I asked for suggestions on what to do to clean it up and bring out the sound. If you look at it in an audio visualisation app you will see there is a huge amount of variety in the soundscape. It's all there just waiting to be brought out.


My belief is, although experimenting with linux audio can be a very consistent and creative result, this doesn't mean that you can easily get a piece of music or even a piece of noise and show it to anyone. I love noise, drones and experimental sound, but also in this case the redundancy its something hard to avoid and an art to achieve.



I tried to make it clear that it is an experimental synthesised/generative piece. I was figuring that a bunch of hardened Linux Audio peeps would be a receptive audience and possibly enjoy the challenge of bringing out the sounds that are hidden in the track.


Patrick, you should be honest about your soundfile and you should try to be more careful and respectful when you want a feedback from the list.


The feedback I got from the list was pretty much that I presented I load of bollocks and I am wasting peoples time and apparently their bandwidth too by offering up my art for serious criticism.


That was on my mind...
I wish you all the best and a lot of fun with linux audio stuff


Cheers for taking the time to offer some constructive criticism.




Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd




marius

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@boosthardware.com> wrote:

On 01/30/2010 07:26 PM, Atte André Jensen wrote:
> Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
>
>> I'm continually surprised and amazed at how many people on this list
>> take a chance to have a go at something when they have not given it more
>> than a brief shot. Claim it it the originators fault and then start
>> making jokes about how crap it is.
>>
> Listen: I downloaded your track played it back with vlc. Listened to the
> first 2 minutes and all I hear is a fm-like wobble. I then skip through
> the piece (lasting 80 minutes) and no matter where I listen I hear wobble.
>
> Either your file is broken or it's very experimental (I doubt the
> latter), don't tell me I'm insulting you! At least
> check/reencode/mp3ize/upload-on-soundcloud/anything the file before you
> insult me!
>
>

I have verified that what Will is hearing is what I am presenting.

To be honest I am insulted.

Not because of your comment that the track was experimental. Coming from
you that is kind of a compliment.

But because of your lack of feedback on what I might do to clean up the
sound to make it more palatable for a wider audience.

Anyway, I am resigned to this track not being received well and I will
have to do the required tweaks under my own direction.

At least it is not my favourite track in the session. Perhaps my next
track will get a better reception now that the ice has been broken.

BTW, I'm not looking for approval. That will be a nice addition if it
happens. I'm seeking a purely technical discussion of what can be done
to clean up the sound for a wider range of audio systems.



Cheers.

Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd


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