>     then get off this list and leave us to our playthings. or better yet,
>     spend time critiquing the current state of the "out of the box"
>     experience with the people who **actually provide**  the out of the
>     box experience.
>
> Well technically this list did, not to long ago, scare away someone that
> was impactful in those sorts of decisions;)

I missed this.. what happened?? Sounds bad.