On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 05:35:56PM -0400, hanaghan(a)starband.net wrote: I dunno... I"ve heard of people using ProTools for live sound mixing... it amounts to much the same thing. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com

Yes sir, good ADCs are useless with out good mics. And a crap mic pre can really trash the sound of a good mic. Its no use skimping on this bit if you've invested in good ADCs.

tim hall wrote: I believe it's a reference from the Frank Zappa song "Apostrophe", no? From the album of the same name. I belive the line goes: "The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe." - FZ What it means? I have no idea. Random silliness from the Master is my guess. ;-) ~Jos~

On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 09:19:10AM -0300, luis jure wrote: Not that the OT needs to go on any longer, but monk is one of my all time favorite composers and performers. :-D If I were to start studying music again I think I would start with monk. -Eric Rz.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 09:43:17AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote: That's an excellent recommendation. I'll remember to do that if I start studying music again. Speaking of Kronos ... I had the incredible privledge of hearing them perform Steve Reich's Triple quartet live. It was the single most amazing musical experience I've ever had. by himself is my favorite way, but you can't leave out Charlie Rouse. returning to lurk mode, Eric Rz.

RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net writes: Or even a discussion about drug abuse. Immanuel

I have a vinyl record of anti-drug messages compiled for radio station use in the 70's. One of them is 'This is Frank Zappa, asking you to un-load yourself!' Mind you, another has Alice Cooper saying 'if I ever find out any of you have been taking drugs, I will personally come round to your house and kill all your puppies'. Sounds like that could have backfired for some kids... Cheers Daniel

On 30-Jun-2004 Immanuel Litzroth wrote: } RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net writes: } > On 29-Jun-2004 Dave Phillips wrote: } > } But the best is still Monk with Rollins, or with Coltrane, or just Monk } > } by himself... } > } > I'd sorta' like to hear what a jam session with Charlie Parker and Zappa } > might sound like. } Or even a discussion about drug abuse. Seems to me that might actually be off topic on a list about making music. On the other hand... music doesn't strike me as being off topic at all. ...Quite the contrary... it strikes me as somewhat essential. {Possibly the one missing element in all of this.} ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 30-Jun-2004 Time: 18:11:02 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

I inadvertantly started this thread so I may as well chime in... On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:29 +0100 tim hall <tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> wrote: I actually hear certain similarities between Monk and FZ in terms of angular melodies (that would bug most people), the use of discordant sounds to wake you up or change a mood in a piece, and a sense of time that isn't kept by counting to 4 over and over again. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh(a)brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:07:35 -0700 Jack Bowling <jbinpg(a)shaw.ca> wrote: RZZZZZZZZZ! -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh(a)brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa

} Either way, it's got to sound better than what happened when Hendrix and } Morrison met. But hey, let's not go there. What happened when Hendrix met Morrison? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 30-Jun-2004 Time: 18:09:07 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

} You've heard the Yellow Orchestra stuff? Para those who would lack enlightenment: http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/dump/rykoalbums_556.asp http://www.zappa.com/MUSIC/YELLOW_SHARK/yellow_shark.html http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=5419 ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 30-Jun-2004 Time: 02:31:49 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

On 30-Jun-2004 RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: } On 29-Jun-2004 luis jure wrote: } } Jos Laake <jos(a)radiks.net> escribi�: } } } > I believe it's a reference from the Frank Zappa song "Apostrophe", no? } } > From the album of the same name. } } > } } > I belive the line goes: } } > "The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe." - FZ } } } } right. "it should be easy to see..." } } } > What it means? I have no idea. Random silliness from the Master } } > is my guess. ;-) } } } } i don't see it as random. i'm not a native speaker of english, but i } think i } } can follow how zappa developed a funny variant of the idioms that use the } } word"crux" (meaning of course "decisive point", and not "cross"), mainly } } "the crux of the matter", but also "the crux of the problem/conflict", } "the } } crux of the discussion/debate", etc. } } } } it's very probable that zappa himself invented the expression (can anyone } } trace it to a predating source?), perhaps melding "crux of the matter" } and } } "crust of the biscuit". } } } } it appeared first in the song "stink foot", which was included in the } album } } "apostrophe" from 1974. zappa also used the expression in conversation, i } } remember reading interviews where he used this peculiar idiom. } } I think you've got to look at that one in context... It is the dog } explaining } "conceptual continuity" after all. Maybe it means that the "important bits" } of } his biscuit are missing and therefore must be filled in by the imagination } or } out of habit like we use an apostrophe to fill in the missing bits of words } or } contractions. Whether the actual important bits of the biscuit are the ends } or } perhaps the dog has begun his biscuit fest by biting the biscuit middle is } something, I think, that Frank has left up to the listener to determine... } the } actual import of the statement being that the bits are missing thus } breaking } the biscuit continuity and that we've filled things in with one of the } above } mentioned devices. ...Like the apostrophe. } } I'm thinking this represents Franks tribute to mans imagination. ...The } idea } that we, as humans, are capable of imagining things like talking dogs } ...maybe } it's a contrast with the stark reality of stinky feet... which Frank may } use } to illustrate the "street" or the baser human elements. } } So... Frank basically is contrasting the sublime with the human here... } telling us that what's important lies in the mind and not in the physical. } } It's just so typically Frank. } } } excuse the OT, but the artists and groups usually mentioned on this list } are } } completely unknown to me, for once i wanted to talk a musician i _do_ } know. } } er... not very probable an OT about duke ellington or thelonious monk, is } } You've heard the Yellow Orchestra stuff? } } ---------------------------------- } E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net } Date: 30-Jun-2004 } Time: 01:37:24 } } This message was sent by XFMail } ---------------------------------- On 30-Jun-2004 RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: } On 29-Jun-2004 luis jure wrote: } } Jos Laake <jos(a)radiks.net> escribi�: } } } > I believe it's a reference from the Frank Zappa song "Apostrophe", no? } } > From the album of the same name. } } > } } > I belive the line goes: } } > "The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe." - FZ } } } } right. "it should be easy to see..." } } } > What it means? I have no idea. Random silliness from the Master } } > is my guess. ;-) } } } } i don't see it as random. i'm not a native speaker of english, but i } think i } } can follow how zappa developed a funny variant of the idioms that use the } } word"crux" (meaning of course "decisive point", and not "cross"), mainly } } "the crux of the matter", but also "the crux of the problem/conflict", } "the } } crux of the discussion/debate", etc. } } } } it's very probable that zappa himself invented the expression (can anyone } } trace it to a predating source?), perhaps melding "crux of the matter" } and } } "crust of the biscuit". } } } } it appeared first in the song "stink foot", which was included in the } album } } "apostrophe" from 1974. zappa also used the expression in conversation, i } } remember reading interviews where he used this peculiar idiom. } } I think you've got to look at that one in context... It is the dog } explaining } "conceptual continuity" after all. Maybe it means that the "important bits" } of } his biscuit are missing and therefore must be filled in by the imagination } or } out of habit like we use an apostrophe to fill in the missing bits of words } or } contractions. Whether the actual important bits of the biscuit are the ends } or } perhaps the dog has begun his biscuit fest by biting the biscuit middle is } something, I think, that Frank has left up to the listener to determine... } the } actual import of the statement being that the bits are missing thus } breaking } the biscuit continuity and that we've filled things in with one of the } above } mentioned devices. ...Like the apostrophe. } } I'm thinking this represents Franks tribute to mans imagination. ...The } idea } that we, as humans, are capable of imagining things like talking dogs } ...maybe } it's a contrast with the stark reality of stinky feet... which Frank may } use } to illustrate the "street" or the baser human elements. } } So... Frank basically is contrasting the sublime with the human here... } telling us that what's important lies in the mind and not in the physical. } } It's just so typically Frank. } } } excuse the OT, but the artists and groups usually mentioned on this list } are } } completely unknown to me, for once i wanted to talk a musician i _do_ } know. } } er... not very probable an OT about duke ellington or thelonious monk, is } } You've heard the Yellow Orchestra stuff? } } ---------------------------------- } E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net } Date: 30-Jun-2004 } Time: 01:37:24 } } This message was sent by XFMail } ---------------------------------- by the way: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=6217364&pageid=rs.Home&pa… le1 http://www.zappa.com/cheezoid/ ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 30-Jun-2004 Time: 19:11:59 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

On 01-Jul-2004 Joe Hartley wrote: } RickTaylor(a)speakeasy.net wrote: } } > by the way: } > } > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=6217364&pageid=rs.Home&pa… } > single1 } } 40 albums??? O...M...G... } } I got to the point where I didn't need to buy any more FZ, because I } really didn't need yet another version of The Torture Never Stops, but } this sounds like something amazing. I'm surprised you found that at the bottom of all that mess. I'm not quite sure how the "mess" got sent either. I used to be a Zappa junkie. :} I got thoroughly tired of his cynicism {cynicim's boring in the first place.} about the time he did "Broadway the Hard Way" {Apparently he did as well...} I still think his jazz and guitar stuff is absolutely brilliant. There's a lot of brilliance interspersed throughout the earlier surreal stuff as well... ...Maybe Gershwin would be a better pairing than Parker. } I loved this bit: "Frank Zappa was a composer, and he had a bad habit, } which was writing music." :} There are considerably more than 40 albums here: http://www.zappa.com/spifnificent.html ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 01-Jul-2004 Time: 08:01:17 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------

On 02-Jul-2004 Jack Bowling wrote: } On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 08:17:00AM -0500, RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net wrote: } > On 01-Jul-2004 Joe Hartley wrote: } > } I got to the point where I didn't need to buy any more FZ, because I } > } really didn't need yet another version of The Torture Never Stops, but } > } this sounds like something amazing. } > I still think his jazz and guitar stuff is absolutely brilliant. There's a } > lot of brilliance interspersed throughout the earlier surreal } > ...Maybe Gershwin would be a better pairing than Parker. } When Zappa found out he was dying of cancer, he spent most of his time in } interviews telling everybody what a crappy guitar player he thought he was. He was wrong. I suppose that sort of thing depends on the standards one holds ones self to... In contrast to Frith or Santana maybe... I tend to see him as their equal technically {:} Maybe not Santana...} } I think he wanted people to focus more on his composition than his actual That I can see... displays of technical prowess can get to be such a drag... They generally detract rather than enhance. {How many times have you seen U2 go to the bar to wait for Edge to finish a guitar wank?} They're a bit like 3d transitions in video... {Ie: ...time to go to the bar.} } musicianship. Having seen him twice in concert myself (the tuba solo was } amazing), such self-deprecation was unwarranted. I saw him once in the early eighties... the show was "perfect" :} There were no technical inadequacies whatsoever. I imagine that 20 {then} years of practice might give you that. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: RickTaylor(a)Speakeasy.Net Date: 02-Jul-2004 Time: 17:22:15 This message was sent by XFMail ----------------------------------