26 Dec
2009
26 Dec
'09
7:07 p.m.
I've been getting by so far with an amd64 box running debian, jack, ardour
etc through Terratec DMX-6fire (Envy24 based) card, but now find that I need
to record more channels simultaneously.
I would like (and can just about afford) the M-Audio FastTrack Ultra, but it
doesn't look as though it is going to be easy to get it to work under Linux.
It's a USB 2.0 device - it needs those 480Mb/s to record 8 channels
simultaneously - so it isn't class-compliant.
Has anyone succeeded in getting this interface to work properly in Linux?
If not, can anyone suggest alternatives in the same sort of price range?
Thanks,
Edward
27 Dec
27 Dec
2 a.m.
Edward Barrow wrote:
I've been getting by so far with an amd64 box
running debian, jack,
ardour etc through Terratec DMX-6fire (Envy24 based) card, but now
find that I need to record more channels simultaneously.
I would like (and can just about afford) the M-Audio FastTrack Ultra,
but it doesn't look as though it is going to be easy to get it to work
under Linux. It's a USB 2.0 device - it needs those 480Mb/s to record
8 channels simultaneously - so it isn't class-compliant.
Has anyone succeeded in getting this interface to work properly in Linux?
If not, can anyone suggest alternatives in the same sort of price range?
I use an EchoAudio Audiofire 12. It has 12 in / 12 out TRS inputs and
amazing sound quality. Echo is very FFADO friendly and supports the OSS
community. I just looked at the prices on-line and the AF12 is only
listed at US$100 more than the FastTrack Ultra. FWIW, I found mine on
Craigslist for $300. I've never had a digital piece of hardware work so
flawlessly for so long, it's really quite unreal how perfect it is.
p.s. It's firewire and it looks like you want USB, so whatever.
-Scott
8:10 a.m.
Hey,
I have experience with the Echo AudioFire range, I bought a 12 great unit.
Not got the 2 channel one too for on the go playback/mixing.
There's an 8 channel one too, wouldnt really advise it, but it might fit
the budget
a bit better... the 12 has the advantages of the 4 led signal meter, the 8
has 2 preamps
and SPDIF.
Take from that what you will! (Theyre still firewire as Scott said.)
Good luck, -Harry
5:19 p.m.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:07:05PM +0000, Edward Barrow wrote:
I've been getting by so far with an amd64 box
running debian, jack, ardour
etc through Terratec DMX-6fire (Envy24 based) card, but now find that I need
to record more channels simultaneously.
I would like (and can just about afford) the M-Audio FastTrack Ultra, but it
doesn't look as though it is going to be easy to get it to work under Linux.
It's a USB 2.0 device - it needs those 480Mb/s to record 8 channels
simultaneously - so it isn't class-compliant.
Has anyone succeeded in getting this interface to work properly in Linux?
If not, can anyone suggest alternatives in the same sort of price range?
This is probably the most FAQ on LAU these days (well, maybe thirdmost, after questions
about PulseAudio and Xruns, and slightly ahead of questions about RT kernels).
Being shut out of the USB 2.0 market is an upcoming and serious threat to the continued
viability of Linux audio, IMHO.
USB 2.0 devices are affordable and great-- for everyone except Linux users. We have to pay
more and get Firewire-- iff we have, or can get, a laptop that has Firewire, which seems
to be on the way out.
I sure hope someone can either get a manufacturer of USB 2.0 cards to open up the specs
enough to write a driver for it, or, alternately, that the Ethernet-based Open Source
multichannel audio interface project bears fruit soon enough. I'm personally more
excited about the Ethernet interface because it'll be open and hackable, but for
cheapness and convenience, the USB2.0's are going to be hard to beat.
Someone posted a link to a USB 2.0 maufacturer that, IIRC, said they'd be willing to
help someone write a Linux driver. Did any USB developers take them up on that?
-ken
11 p.m.
On 12/28/2009 08:18 AM, Ken Restivo wrote:
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:07:05PM +0000, Edward
Barrow wrote:
The other way is for people to buy a device and work with the various
developers interested in usb-audio to get it to figure out the quirks.
This is how most of the usb-1.0 devices were made to work anyway. If you
look at the quirks list for the snd-usb-audio driver a considerable
number of usb-1.0 devices are on that list. The thing is that many of
those devices have been bought, tested and triaged years back so for
anyone buying a device recently it would seem like there were no hassles
associated with the usb-1.0 driver.
In reality it took nearly 5 years for it to get to a point where most
popular cards were supported ootb or with minimal driver tweaking. It
took almost two years to get my device working properly and it had
plenty of non standard quirks that had to be understood without any
assistance from maudio in the slightest. We did it in the end though.
The final nail was figuring out that the inputs are little endian and
the outputs are big endian. That one took a while as it mostly just
sounded like the driver was broken when it was actually just a case of
specifying the correct endianess when testing with arecord.
It turns out that there are a couple more manufacturers that chose that
approach too. But at the time of testing it was a very strange "quirk"
that got a few laughs round here when it was realised what they had done
and reinforced the idea in many peoples minds that usb-audio is a
crapfest of interstella proportions.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
I've been getting by so far with an amd64 box
running debian, jack, ardour
etc through Terratec DMX-6fire (Envy24 based) card, but now find that I need
to record more channels simultaneously.
I would like (and can just about afford) the M-Audio FastTrack Ultra, but it
doesn't look as though it is going to be easy to get it to work under Linux.
It's a USB 2.0 device - it needs those 480Mb/s to record 8 channels
simultaneously - so it isn't class-compliant.
Has anyone succeeded in getting this interface to work properly in Linux?
If not, can anyone suggest alternatives in the same sort of price range?
This is probably the most FAQ on LAU these days (well, maybe thirdmost,
after questions about PulseAudio and Xruns, and slightly ahead of questions about RT
kernels).
Being shut out of the USB 2.0 market is an upcoming and serious threat to the continued
viability of Linux audio, IMHO.
USB 2.0 devices are affordable and great-- for everyone except Linux users. We have to
pay more and get Firewire-- iff we have, or can get, a laptop that has Firewire, which
seems to be on the way out.
I sure hope someone can either get a manufacturer of USB 2.0 cards to open up the specs
enough to write a driver for it, or, alternately, that the Ethernet-based Open Source
multichannel audio interface project bears fruit soon enough. I'm personally more
excited about the Ethernet interface because it'll be open and hackable, but for
cheapness and convenience, the USB2.0's are going to be hard to beat.
Someone posted a link to a USB 2.0 maufacturer that, IIRC, said they'd be willing to
help someone write a Linux driver. Did any USB developers take them up on that?
6 Jan
6 Jan
9:03 a.m.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com
wrote:
On 12/28/2009 08:18 AM, Ken Restivo wrote:
after questions about PulseAudio and Xruns, and slightly ahead of questions
about RT kernels).
The other way is for people to buy a device and work with the various
developers interested in usb-audio to get it to figure out the quirks.
In principle, I'm happy to help with this, but I don't really want to help
an obstructive manufacturer. If m-audio/avid are being
particularly uncooperative, then even though their kit is good and good
value, I'd rather not give them my shilling and spend
a disproportionate amount of time hacking at it to get it to work. On the
other hand, if there's a USB 2.0 device from a manufacturer
who's just a little bit more cooperative, even if there is no driver
available at present, I'd be prepared to give it a try.
I certainly don't have years to wait though; I've got a bunch of creative
musicians ready to go now.
There is a linux driver for the M-audio FastTrack Pro, which uses USB 1.1;
use of the driver permits 24-bit recording as against 16-bit only in
class-compliant mode. It occurred to me that this driver might work with
USB 2.0 and the FastTrack Ultra - but I don't know enough about the innards
of
USB to know whether this is remotely realistic.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:07:05PM +0000, Edward
Barrow wrote:
> I've been getting by so far with an amd64 box running debian, jack,
ardour
> etc through Terratec DMX-6fire (Envy24 based)
card, but now find that I
need
> to record more channels simultaneously.
>
>
> I would like (and can just about afford) the M-Audio FastTrack Ultra,
but it
> doesn't look as though it is going to be
easy to get it to work under
Linux.
> It's a USB 2.0 device - it needs those
480Mb/s to record 8 channels
> simultaneously - so it isn't class-compliant.
>
> Has anyone succeeded in getting this interface to work properly in
Linux?
If not, can anyone suggest alternatives in the same sort of price range?
This is probably the most FAQ on LAU these days (well, maybe thirdmost,
Being shut out of the USB 2.0 market is an upcoming and serious threat to
the
continued viability of Linux audio, IMHO.
USB 2.0 devices are affordable and great-- for everyone except Linux
users. We
have to pay more and get Firewire-- iff we have, or can get, a
laptop that has Firewire, which seems to be on the way out.
I sure hope someone can either get a manufacturer of USB 2.0 cards to
open up the
specs enough to write a driver for it, or, alternately, that the
Ethernet-based Open Source multichannel audio interface project bears fruit
soon enough. I'm personally more excited about the Ethernet interface
because it'll be open and hackable, but for cheapness and convenience, the
USB2.0's are going to be hard to beat.
Someone posted a link to a USB 2.0 maufacturer that, IIRC, said they'd be
willing to help someone write a Linux driver. Did any USB developers take
them up on that?
This is how most of the usb-1.0 devices were made to
work anyway. If you
look at the quirks list for the snd-usb-audio driver a considerable
number of usb-1.0 devices are on that list. The thing is that many of
those devices have been bought, tested and triaged years back so for
anyone buying a device recently it would seem like there were no hassles
associated with the usb-1.0 driver.
In reality it took nearly 5 years for it to get to a point where most
popular cards were supported ootb or with minimal driver tweaking. It
took almost two years to get my device working properly and it had
plenty of non standard quirks that had to be understood without any
assistance from maudio in the slightest. We did it in the end though.
The final nail was figuring out that the inputs are little endian and
the outputs are big endian. That one took a while as it mostly just
sounded like the driver was broken when it was actually just a case of
specifying the correct endianess when testing with arecord.
It turns out that there are a couple more manufacturers that chose that
approach too. But at the time of testing it was a very strange "quirk"
that got a few laughs round here when it was realised what they had done
and reinforced the idea in many peoples minds that usb-audio is a
crapfest of interstella proportions.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
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