First Pinnacle, now Yamaha. Best regards ce

Hmmmm. I don't often post here, but this article also got to me. I have to say that my linux DAW "just worked" out of the box. I am not a developer, programmer or anything like it. I am not a professional musician. I am basically a hobbyist and have been using Linux for about 5 years. My first running version of jack and ardour were compiled from scratch in the pre-planetCCRMA days and I muddled through it with a copy of Linux for Dummies in hand. Now, in 2005, I have upgraded several times. For me, fedora loads up with NO hassle. Much easier than any windoze installation. Then loading the Planet is absolutely straightforward. All of my installs have "just worked". I know I'm preaching to the converted, but as I read this article, I kept hearing the voice in my head say "Yeah, I can do that on my setup..." Time to watch Battlestar Galactica then retire to the recording studio and lay down some tracks. Let's hope it "just works" tonight! -Joe Dell'Orfano On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 20:44 -0400, Brett McCoy wrote: -- Joseph Dell'Orfano <fullgo(a)dellorfano.net>

Does this mean he wrote this article because his new guitar didn't behave like expected? OT & BTW: I just bought a guitar and I'd be glad if I could play it like a guy called dp. I cannot but I do not try to make my linux box or even Ardour responsible for this ;-) . Best regards ce

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 23 July 2005 12:22, walescomputers wrote: It's about half of the instrument.

Jan Depner wrote: I don't know about other people doing serious audio work using Jack, Ardour, etc., but I'm not using instant messenger and Skye or RealPlayer at the same time I am tracking or mixing (in fact, my DAW is, in normal usage, not even connected to a network) ... and I assume someone seriously using ProTools or Nuendo also isn't worried about this issue either... their audio workstation does one thing and one thing only -- it is used to record and mix high-end audio, it's not used for 'desktoppy' stuff like instant messenger, web surfing, etc. ESD and similar are more appropriate for that kind of environment. I wanted to ask this guy if he ever ran a Windows DAW right out of the box without any tuning, reconfiguration, etc. The Gimp or Firefox might run just fine for a beginning user... but high-end audio production on any platform isn't something for beginners to just 'pick up' by going click click click. Now, I know it's not fair to tell people to use stuff like Ardour and Jack on a machine dedicated to that purpose alone: not everyone can afford multiple machines. When I used to use Windows & Cakewalk stuff, it was no big deal to use multiple hardware profiles for audio processing versus regular desktop stuff (you still had to tune your machine to optimise it's use for audio production, Windows didn't do well either right out of the box)... and if you are using Linux for serious audio production, you need to adopt a similar philosophy... if you want to use high-end audio on a Linux machine, you can't use it simultaneously as a desktop/enduser machine, you need to keep the two separate with different accounts/profiles/hardware configurations (have one login for playing MP3s/web surfing/word processing, another for audio stuff with Ardour/Jack/LADSPA). meh, enough rantng.... Everyone have a good weekend. -- Brett -- Programmer by Day, Guitarist by Night http://www.chapelperilous.net http://www.alhazred.com http://www.revelmoon.com

Yeah, I think it just depends what you call desktop/enduser. I check mail, surf web, listen to mp3s, write code. Can't think of what my audio station doesn't do that I wish it did better ... Hm, I guess I do use different users for irc than audio though, 'cause I'm kinda lazy with audio so I just run as root for most purposes. Iain Atte André Jensen wrote:

Jan Depner wrote: I agree with some of what you say. Any specialized application requires some past knowledge to get it going quickly (and, that is what we are really talking about - the time it takes to be reasonably efficient in the app to get the job done.) Otherwise, you are in for a learning curve that is <somewhat> steep. It's not accurate to say "If I can't use it, how is someone with no knowledge of audio recording supposed to use it?" because it's a specialized application - it isn't meant for grandma. If someone never used Photoshop, then they wouldn't agree with the author that GIMP just works... cause it doesn't just work. If you understood Photoshop then GIMP is an easy learn. No previous experience with this type of software? Good luck! On the other hand, he does have some valid points. If you start from the level of a user that uses audio software day in and day out (like I do) you prefer (demand?) interfaces that are intuitive and work seamlessly with your other work. Sound Forge and Vegas are two applications that have intuitive interfaces that do as they're told. I have found myself right-clicking on an area in Vegas where I "guessed" the answer would be -- and lo and behold the facility is right there. This has happened to colleagues as well. I think it is also valid to state that apps should work with you - not against you. There are many application that just don't... but there is nothing special about Linux that makes this so. brad -- Brad Fuller (408) 799-6124 ** Sonaural Audio Studios ** (408) 799-6123 West San Jose (408) 799-6124 Cambrian ________________________________ Hear us online: www.Sonaural.com

Lee Revell wrote: I think the GTK2 version is "in the works". Definitely planned. Not sure about any GNOME-specific features. Best, dp

AFAIR Paul Davis told in his talk at the LAC 2005 that 2.0 will mainly be for the port to GTK2. Best regards ce

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:49:35 -0500 Jan Depner &lt;eviltwin69(a)cableone.net&gt; wrote: Ahh, another MixerMan fan!! I wonder what BitchSlap is doing these days? I read the article and frankly wondered what his beef was, then I got to the point where he complained about not having an app to control his 1010, and I realized he just hasn't done his homework. Maybe someone with an account on the OReilly site will set him straight. -- ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh(a)brainiac.com Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa