Anyone have any anecdotal experiences like this to share (horrible singers in the studio)
2 May
2013
2 May
'13
3:21 a.m.
http://youtu.be/OWoQpzdB5gs
Has any of you had experiences like this in the studio? I realize this is
exaggerated but i fear it may not be as exaggerated as i hope.
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8:14 a.m.
On Wed, 1 May 2013 19:21:04 -0600
Bearcat M. Şándor <hometheater(a)feline-soul.com> wrote:
http://youtu.be/OWoQpzdB5gs
Has any of you had experiences like this in the studio? I realize this is
exaggerated but i fear it may not be as exaggerated as i hope.
This has been around for a while now, but it still makes me smile every time i
see it :)
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12:25 p.m.
On 05/01/2013 09:21 PM, Bearcat M. Şándor wrote:
http://youtu.be/OWoQpzdB5gs
Has any of you had experiences like this in the studio? I realize this
is exaggerated but i fear it may not be as exaggerated as i hope.
I once did a session with a group of jazzers from a local university,
fine players all, but the gig was ruined by a sit-in pianist. It was a
classic producer's boondoggle. Everyone else on the session could read
and improvise, the poor pianist could not do either to save his soul.
What had been promised to be an hour-long session turned into a six-hour
nightmare of constant retakes, thanks to the producer's insistence that
we work it out with his piano man. Pity was, the pianist was a sweet
guy, very amiable, and he knew he was 'way out of his league.
Nevertheless the producer was paying for the session and he ran the
show. It was awful. Of course this all took place long before software
entered the studio.
We had our own piano player there too, a fellow named Scott Lavender
(not the Scott Lavender on LAU, btw), but the producer wouldn't use him.
Scott's currently the music director for Johnny Mathis. Oh well. It was
my first experience with the notion that the producer (aka Mr Money) is
always right.
Best,
dp
9:44 p.m.
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 06:25:39AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
It was my first experience with the notion that the
producer
(aka Mr Money) is always right.
Always. I remember mixing a live broadcast of a big band concert,
one of the first (but thank $GOD not _the_ first) I ever did. The
(female) producer of the show was *completely drunk*, hanging on
my shoulders from behind and hugging me while I was trying to stay
in control. A few minutes later she threw up, just by chance not on
the mixer or me. Later during the show she walked on stage towards
a trombone player doing his solo, got a foot entangled in some mic
cables, fell down like a solid block and remained there until the
stage hands carried her off. There were some funny faces in the
audience, but the show went on as if nothing had happened.
I guess that everyone who has worked for some time in broadcasting,
film, theater or similar environments has at least one horror story
to tell...
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3 May
4:26 a.m.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
I guess that everyone who has worked for some time in broadcasting,
film, theater or similar environments has at least one horror story
to tell...
Heh one of my favorites involved the lead up before a band ever took stage,
when their tour manager (Also their A2) started talking to me about their
setup....
By the end of the conversations the stage crew offered to have him
'dissappear' the moment he stepped off the bus for me. It was very
tempting.
Then one of my more recent gigs, a small gig that was supposed to be a
couple of zones of speakers on sticks and me mixing a small 5 person cast
for about 15 minutes outside in the city. High-er levels, as I knew the
producer and knew what he would want, but nothing to terrible and sounds
pretty average, till I show up and am told that I can't use any speaker
stands, not because they are worried about them falling on people but
because the venue didn't want them falling on the _boxwood_ _hedges_.
Frustrated doesn't begin to describe me at that point.
Suddenly the gig became theater in the round, with the mains pointed into
the round with the performers(As they were blocked to move amongst the
audience all night), and resting on the ground. Feedback was a slight
issue to put it mildly.
And of course you have the venue I went to when working a tour across the
country over here, that I walked in and the 'sound engineer' for the venue
hands me AC ground lifts and tells me to lift the ground on all my
equipment or I can't tie into their system. He says it is the only way to
avoid buz and that he won't risk his system for my sound. I calmly try to
explain that what he was describing was a ground loop and is easily fixed
by other methods that don't involve endangering the lives of people near my
equipment, but he refuses to hear me and insists they have tried everything
possible and this is the only thing that worked. Needless to say I
conveniently 'forgot' to life the AC grounds on my equipment and instead
properly isolated the audio grounds fixing the problem. He comes up to me
after the gig and complains that I didn't use it, my response... "Did you
hear a buzz?" I then stepped outside after load-out and called the
production company to tell them enver to book that venue again, this was
only one of the problems I had with it(Enough slack in the fly system to
wrap a dead body in comes to mind as well).
Yep, this list goes on for quite a while. ;)
Seablade
PS For those unaware, NEVER lift an AC ground on a piece of equipment.
4:36 a.m.
On Thu, 2 May 2013 22:26:44 -0400
Thomas Vecchione <seablaede(a)gmail.com> wrote:
PS For those unaware, NEVER lift an AC ground on a
piece of equipment.
So very much THIS. Les Harvey would agree as well.
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4:51 a.m.
New subject: Anyone have any anecdotal experiences like this to share (horrible singers in the studio)
On Thursday 02 May 2013 22:37:53 Thomas Vecchione did opine:
If my system is properly wired, and over the last 60 years there have been
some that were wired by idiots, but where I either did it, or saw to it
that it was done right, anybody using a ground lifter gets invited off the
stage. But you'd be totally blown away by the condition of some of the
equipment, one bass players amp was so bad that it set my pocket field
sniffer off from 6" away. Walking over to the axe itself I got the same
bleeep out of it. Told him to fix it, he didn't know how, but I had 15
minutes to spare & cobbled up an xlr to tip-ring-shell cable & plugged his
axe direct to a mic channel on our board. He squawked he couldn't hear & I
said thats how it is, I'm not gonna let your pissy amp kill somebody on my
stage. The mixer on duty that day was fairly good after I explained how to
do it for the axe & it didn't sound that bad once he'd put his fingers in
cruise control.
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On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Fons Adriaensen
<fons(a)linuxaudio.org>
wrote:
I guess that
everyone who has worked for some time in broadcasting,
film, theater or similar environments has at least one horror story
to tell...
Heh one of my favorites involved the lead up before a band ever took
stage, when their tour manager (Also their A2) started talking to me
about their setup....
By the end of the conversations the stage crew offered to have him
'dissappear' the moment he stepped off the bus for me. It was very
tempting.
Then one of my more recent gigs, a small gig that was supposed to be a
couple of zones of speakers on sticks and me mixing a small 5 person
cast for about 15 minutes outside in the city. High-er levels, as I
knew the producer and knew what he would want, but nothing to terrible
and sounds pretty average, till I show up and am told that I can't use
any speaker stands, not because they are worried about them falling on
people but because the venue didn't want them falling on the _boxwood_
_hedges_. Frustrated doesn't begin to describe me at that point.
Suddenly the gig became theater in the round, with the mains pointed
into the round with the performers(As they were blocked to move amongst
the audience all night), and resting on the ground. Feedback was a
slight issue to put it mildly.
And of course you have the venue I went to when working a tour across
the country over here, that I walked in and the 'sound engineer' for
the venue hands me AC ground lifts and tells me to lift the ground on
all my equipment or I can't tie into their system. He says it is the
only way to avoid buz and that he won't risk his system for my sound.
I calmly try to explain that what he was describing was a ground loop
and is easily fixed by other methods that don't involve endangering the
lives of people near my equipment, but he refuses to hear me and
insists they have tried everything possible and this is the only thing
that worked. Needless to say I conveniently 'forgot' to life the AC
grounds on my equipment and instead properly isolated the audio grounds
fixing the problem. He comes up to me after the gig and complains that
I didn't use it, my response... "Did you hear a buzz?" I then stepped
outside after load-out and called the production company to tell them
enver to book that venue again, this was only one of the problems I had
with it(Enough slack in the fly system to wrap a dead body in comes to
mind as well).
Yep, this list goes on for quite a while. ;)
Seablade
PS For those unaware, NEVER lift an AC ground on a piece of equipment. 
2 May
2 May
11:47 p.m.
On 05/02/2013 03:21 AM, Bearcat M. Şándor wrote:
http://youtu.be/OWoQpzdB5gs
Has any of you had experiences like this in the studio? I realize this
is exaggerated but i fear it may not be as exaggerated as i hope.
I was guitarist/arranger/composer/whatever in a backing band for a
project a record company dude had back in 78-'79 or something, and I was
on the most terrible gig I have experienced ever. The keyboardist, which
happens to be my brother, and the drummer was so drunk (nerve medicine)
that they could not stand properly and the gig ended when the drummer
was falling forward over the drums, and he took the toms and a cymbal or
two with him on the way to the public. He did not manage to raise
properly and ran and fall straight to the first row from the scene. But
this was not the only scandal that evening. Some shit happened earlier
in the gig.
The record company dude insisted that his wife should sing this evening,
and she was supposed to sing a song in the middle of the gig. It was a
very easy song (the Credence song, Hello Mary Lou which was renamed
Hello Jerry Lou for the gig) and we had rehearsed it without her, so
this was the first time we heard her. When she started, it was no less
than terrible. She was so off pitch that a human ever can be, so I gave
our sound engineer a signal and he understood at once that he should
just fade her down to minimum and let me take over. The record dude was
so angry at me that he and his wife just disappeared from the gig when
we tried to save the rest of the song. He also refused to pay us for the
gig and i did not see him or hear from him before he divorced from his
wife a few years later.
Anyway, you already know how the gig ended. I never played with my
brother and the drummer again in public and I have a strict rule that I
never drink before a session.
Jostein
3 May
3 May
3:39 p.m.
On 2 May 2013 22:47, Jostein Chr. Andersen <jostein(a)vait.se> wrote:
On 05/02/2013 03:21 AM, Bearcat M. Şándor wrote:
Nice stories ! Thanks for sharing !
Do you know Florence Foster Jenkins
(1868-1944)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins>?
Hers is a weird career: the main reason for her success - and for her
making it into posterity - was that she sang so badly with such a great
confidence. Hear for example her rendition of the Queen of the Night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ubiUIxbWE
Someone pointed it to me while I was researching on musical humor. It
certainly makes many people laugh.
It is unclear however whether F. Jenkins realised *at all* her lack of
talent. This could make things less funny, and even pathetic if her
misjudgement was caused by some psychological trouble (however, nothing
else stands for this hypothesis - she seems to have had a perfectly normal
life otherwise). Some people also hold her as a model of perseverance.
Perseverance characterizes unrecognized geniuses, but it could be even more
heroic when you're no genious at all! Others still say that she had built
up a deliberately parodic character, which she liked to take offstage, into
her social life, etc.
Anyway, if she had sung in the modern studio depicted in Bearcat's video,
things would probably have turned out differently.
Victor
http://youtu.be/OWoQpzdB5gs
Has any of you had experiences like this in the studio? I realize this
is exaggerated but i fear it may not be as exaggerated as i hope.
I was guitarist/arranger/composer/**whatever in a backing band for a
project a record company dude had back in 78-'79 or something, and I was on
the most terrible gig I have experienced ever. The keyboardist, which
happens to be my brother, and the drummer was so drunk (nerve medicine)
that they could not stand properly and the gig ended when the drummer was
falling forward over the drums, and he took the toms and a cymbal or two
with him on the way to the public. He did not manage to raise properly and
ran and fall straight to the first row from the scene. But this was not the
only scandal that evening. Some shit happened earlier in the gig.
The record company dude insisted that his wife should sing this evening,
and she was supposed to sing a song in the middle of the gig. It was a very
easy song (the Credence song, Hello Mary Lou which was renamed Hello Jerry
Lou for the gig) and we had rehearsed it without her, so this was the first
time we heard her. When she started, it was no less than terrible. She was
so off pitch that a human ever can be, so I gave our sound engineer a
signal and he understood at once that he should just fade her down to
minimum and let me take over. The record dude was so angry at me that he
and his wife just disappeared from the gig when we tried to save the rest
of the song. He also refused to pay us for the gig and i did not see him or
hear from him before he divorced from his wife a few years later.
Anyway, you already know how the gig ended. I never played with my brother
and the drummer again in public and I have a strict rule that I never drink
before a session.
Jostein
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On 05/03/2013 03:38 PM, Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
Do you know Florence Foster Jenkins
(1868-1944)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins>?
Hers is a weird career: the main reason for her success - and for her
making it into posterity - was that she sang so badly with such a great
confidence. Hear for example her rendition of the Queen of the Night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ubiUIxbWE
Someone pointed it to me while I was researching on musical humor. It
certainly makes many people laugh.
It is unclear however whether F. Jenkins realised*at all* her lack of
talent. This could make things less funny, and even pathetic if her
misjudgement was caused by some psychological trouble (however, nothing
else stands for this hypothesis - she seems to have had a perfectly normal
life otherwise). Some people also hold her as a model of perseverance.
Perseverance characterizes unrecognized geniuses, but it could be even more
heroic when you're no genious at all! Others still say that she had built
up a deliberately parodic character, which she liked to take offstage, into
her social life, etc.
Anyway, if she had sung in the modern studio depicted in Bearcat's video,
things would probably have turned out differently.
Victor
That's just one vocalist! What about a complete band?
The Shaggs - My Pal Foot Foot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxG7HdTRaa4
Regards,
Jeremy
9:08 p.m.
On Fri, 03 May 2013 20:54:05 +0200
Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
That's just one vocalist! What about a complete
band?
The Shaggs - My Pal Foot Foot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxG7HdTRaa4
HEY! No hatin' on the Shaggs!!
I got to meet one of the Wiggin sisters a couple of years ago when she
played at Terry Adams' (of NRBQ's) birthday bash. She was amazingly
sweet, and remains a little confused about how many people liked their
music. It was a lovely little set, and sadly the last night I saw Tom
Ardolino play drums. RIP Tom...
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9:19 p.m.
On 05/03/2013 09:07 PM, Joe Hartley wrote:
I love The Shaggs! Should've put it in a different context but I was
wrongly assuming no one would know The Shaggs, how presumptuous ;)
Jeremy
That's
just one vocalist! What about a complete band?
>
>The Shaggs - My Pal Foot Foot
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxG7HdTRaa4
HEY! No hatin' on the Shaggs!!
I got to meet one of the Wiggin sisters a couple of years ago when she
played at Terry Adams' (of NRBQ's) birthday bash. She was amazingly
sweet, and remains a little confused about how many people liked their
music. It was a lovely little set, and sadly the last night I saw Tom
Ardolino play drums. RIP Tom... 
4 May
4 May
1:20 a.m.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>wrote;wrote:
Others still say that she had built
up a deliberately parodic character, which she liked to take offstage, into
her social life, etc.
I tend to believe Florence Foster Jenkins sincerely liked her own singing.
I think it is just an extreme case of perceiving her self radically
differently than others did.
There is probably a really profound lesson in that, but I don't know what
it is.
Neil
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10:31 a.m.
On 04/05/13 00:20, Neil wrote:
I tend to believe Florence Foster Jenkins sincerely
liked her own
singing. I think it is just an extreme case of perceiving her self
radically differently than others did.
There is probably a really profound lesson in that, but I don't know
what it is.
Neil
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning_Kruger_effect
Q
5:09 p.m.
On 04. mai 2013 10:31, Q wrote:
On 04/05/13 00:20, Neil wrote:
Actually I had planned not to comment on this thread, but I can't help it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz3BjF-tvTY
Norwegian lyrics, but the video kind of, um, elaborates on them. Look,
there walks (what is the right word, does a zebra walk? stroll? wander?
I wonder...) a zebra, tail pointing to the sky.
Al F
I tend to believe Florence Foster Jenkins
sincerely liked her own
singing. I think it is just an extreme case of perceiving her self
radically differently than others did.
There is probably a really profound lesson in that, but I don't know
what it is.
Neil
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http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning_Kruger_effect
Q
5:22 p.m.
On 04/05/13 16:08, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
On 04. mai 2013 10:31, Q wrote:
Actually I had planned not to comment on this thread, but I can't help it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz3BjF-tvTY
Norwegian lyrics, but the video kind of, um, elaborates on them. Look,
there walks (what is the right word, does a zebra walk? stroll? wander?
I wonder...) a zebra, tail pointing to the sky.
Al F
Oh my.
Norway and Sweden have produced some of the best progressive rock bands
in the world and, I'm given to understand, some of the best metal bands
as well. I guess now the balance is restored...
Q
7:21 p.m.
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Q <lists(a)quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:
On 04/05/13 16:08, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
> On 04. mai 2013 10:31, Q wrote:
>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dunning_Kruger_effect<http://en.wikipedia…
>>
>
Here I blog about an instance where my audience thought that's what was
going on with me.
http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/2013/03/negative-soundcloud-comment-reminds…
Neil
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7:34 p.m.
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Neil <djdualcore(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Q
<lists(a)quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:
Just to distinguish between "I'm happy with it" and "I think I'm
John
Cage," I recognize that if I were highly skilled I would be able to make
equally experimental music more people found listenable.
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On 04/05/13 16:08, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
> On 04. mai 2013 10:31, Q wrote:
>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dunning_Kruger_effect<http://en.wikipedia…
>>
>
Here I blog about an instance where my audience thought that's what was
going on with me.
http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/2013/03/negative-soundcloud-comment-reminds…
7:44 p.m.
On 04/05/13 18:34, Neil wrote:
if I were highly skilled I would be able to make
equally experimental music more people found UNlistenable.
Fixed that for you ;-)
Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm sure not all experimental music is
unlistenable, but I'm sure a REALLY skilled experimental musician could
get a lot of people to listen to the unlistenable.
Q
5 May
5 May
7:28 a.m.
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 06:44:01PM +0100, Q wrote:
On 04/05/13 18:34, Neil wrote:
Reminds me of "Clockwork Orange" -- although, that was forcing someone to
watch something.
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if I were highly skilled I would be able to make
equally experimental music more people found UNlistenable.
Fixed that for you ;-)
Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm sure not all experimental music is
unlistenable, but I'm sure a REALLY skilled experimental musician
could get a lot of people to listen to the unlistenable.
4 May
4 May
8:04 p.m.
New subject: OT: Anyone have any anecdotal experiences
On 04. mai 2013 17:22, Q wrote:
On 04/05/13 16:08, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
Thanks for this comment, it made me laugh.
I agree there's many a good prog outfit coming from Scandinavia, and
very curious which ones you want to label some of the best in the world?
Just to name a few of my own favorites, from the 70's I'd pick
Trettioåriga Kriget and Ragnarök from Sweden. From Norway, definetely
Ruphus and maybe Aunt Mary. Newer (though still old, from the 90's)
Landberk and Änglagård of Sweden, Ravana and White Willow of Norway.
Al F
On 04. mai 2013 10:31, Q wrote:
Actually I had planned not to comment on this thread, but I can't help
it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz3BjF-tvTY
Norwegian lyrics, but the video kind of, um, elaborates on them. Look,
there walks (what is the right word, does a zebra walk? stroll? wander?
I wonder...) a zebra, tail pointing to the sky.
Al F
Oh my.
Norway and Sweden have produced some of the best progressive rock bands
in the world and, I'm given to understand, some of the best metal bands
as well. I guess now the balance is restored...
Q
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