31 May
2013
31 May
'13
1:05 a.m.
Normally, I do new installs rather than upgrade. It means for sure I have
gotten rid of old stuff.
But I was testing upgrades and thought I would share what I found. First
off I was using UbuntuStudio. I was looking for things like metas not
being included and yes that was so. I also found the generic kernel was
getting dragged in as well as the low latency kernel. (actually that was
what I set out to test)
Anyway, I have an older machine and video card and have had some problems
running some applications like Mixxx for example. It was suggested to me
that I probably had problems even playing videos smoothly too. As happens
I was testing Studio Metas installed on top of kubuntu. And was playing a
video and it looked just fine. This was a fresh kubuntu install. when I
tried the same thing with the updated (from 12.04 to 13.10) the video was
skippy, jittery, not good at all. But on a fresh ubuntustudio install it
was fine. Same video, same player, same kernel, same (supposedly) distro.
The audio which was going through pulse->jack at 48000 and p64, was fine,
not xruns or other artifacts.
So, fresh installs are still the best, no change from 1995.
Really, Hard drives are cheap. One of the least expensive bits one can
buy. Better to put a second drive in the machine, put a new install (or
better try three or four to see which works best with your HW/work habits)
and copy your old home (or parts of it) over... or just put symbolic links
in.
Or, shrink a partition and load the new version in a small partition and
link to the old home. This may be the only way with a laptop.
--
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net
31 May
31 May
2:10 a.m.
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 16:05 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
So, fresh installs are still the best
Hi Len :)
I like it to make fresh installs from time to time, it's like a spring
cleaning. I always made new installs of Ubuntu, never updated from one
release to the next and I stay with an Ubuntu release for a while,
instead of installing always the latest release. For Ubuntu I build my
own kernels.
I prefer Arch Linux, the rolling release model usually does work
perfectly good. I just hold Ardour and Virtualbox packages, but there
are no issues until now, at least not with Virtualbox, I didn't use
Ardour for a long time, so I'm not sure if it's still ok.
Because there are often kernel updates, I install new kernel-rts, but
keep old packages for the kernel-rt, until now I didn't need to
downgrade a kernel-rt for my current Arch install.
So IMO there's no need for a fresh install, if you run a rolling
release.
I agree regarding to the disk space. Multi-boots and backups aren't
issues. FWIW my old drives have one primary partition, but for new
drives I switched to 3 primary partitions. Classic MBR, no LVM etc., the
only exception is an unused FreeBSD.
Regards,
Ralf
5:18 a.m.
Am 31.05.2013 02:09, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 16:05 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
Indeed, with a rolling release model this isn't true. I'm using
debian/sid since a long time now, never do a fresh install, and there is
no difference to a fresh installed system at all.
greets
hermann
So, fresh installs are still the best
Hi
Len :)
I prefer Arch Linux, the rolling release model usually does work
perfectly good.
Regards,
Ralf
12:16 p.m.
On 05/30/2013 05:18 PM, hermann meyer wrote:
Am 31.05.2013 02:09, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
Been running Sid for quite awhile. At times, doing an upgrade has hosed
things. Then I boot the machine from Aptosid live CD and restore my
system drive image ...
Haven't done a fresh install in years, although I'll have one coming up
sometime when I'm finally able to replace my dead main laptop. My
present laptops are 32-bit; the new will be 64-bit and running 64-bit
Linux. I've found only one program I use (a proprietary photoprocessing
app) that won't install on 64-bit anymore. Even their "64-bit" package
just attempts to install the 32-bit version along with IA32-libs ...
--
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http://clanjones.org/david/
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On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 16:05 -0700, Len Ovens
wrote:
Indeed, with a rolling release model this isn't true. I'm using
debian/sid since a long time now, never do a fresh install, and there is
no difference to a fresh installed system at all.
greets
hermann So, fresh installs are still the best
Hi
Len :)
I prefer Arch Linux, the rolling release model usually does work
perfectly good.
Regards,
Ralf
2:12 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
Haven't done a fresh install in years, although
I'll have one coming up
sometime when I'm finally able to replace my dead main laptop. My
present laptops are 32-bit; the new will be 64-bit and running 64-bit
Linux. I've found only one program I use (a proprietary photoprocessing
app) that won't install on 64-bit anymore.
check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT
http://stackingdwarves.net
2:16 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha scritto:
On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
+1 ;)
Haven't done a fresh install in years,
although I'll have one coming up
sometime when I'm finally able to replace my dead main laptop. My
present laptops are 32-bit; the new will be 64-bit and running 64-bit
Linux. I've found only one program I use (a proprietary photoprocessing
app) that won't install on 64-bit anymore.
check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
9:05 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha scritto:
I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For
instance, never figured out how to get it to actually output a processed
image.
So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, neither
support using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops.
(Well, near as I can tell about Darktable.)
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
+1 ;) Haven't done a fresh install in years,
although I'll have one coming up
sometime when I'm finally able to replace my dead main laptop. My
present laptops are 32-bit; the new will be 64-bit and running 64-bit
Linux. I've found only one program I use (a proprietary photoprocessing
app) that won't install on 64-bit anymore.
check out darktable.org and never look back :-D 
9:29 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and
confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame.
Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha
scritto:
I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For instance, never
figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image.
So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, neither support
using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. (Well, near as I
can tell about Darktable.)
On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
+1 ;)
1 Jun
1 Jun
1:58 a.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote:
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes
with excellent documentation.
very much like all other open source programs that come with
documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D
exporting a processed image happens with the "export" feature in the
lighttable view (surprise!). and not only does it support multiple cores
where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does
openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it.
if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a refreshing
sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a learning curve...
ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable fanboy, and i'll leave it at that :-D
--
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT
http://stackingdwarves.net
On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and
confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame. Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha
scritto:
I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For instance, never
figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image.
So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, neither support
using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. (Well, near as I
can tell about Darktable.)
On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
+1 ;)
6:54 a.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote:
I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do
what I want to do with it.
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes
with excellent documentation.
very much like all other open source programs that come with
documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and
confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame. Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha
scritto:
> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
>
> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
+1 ;)
I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For
instance, never
figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image.
So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program,
neither support
using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops. (Well,
near as I
can tell about Darktable.)
exporting a processed image happens with the
"export" feature in the
lighttable view (surprise!).
Where's that hiding? I never once saw it.
and not only does it support multiple cores
where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does
openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it.
if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a refreshing
sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a learning curve...
But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable have
UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE FINE
MANUAL.
Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5
different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only
thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and architectural
drafting in middle school!
ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable fanboy, and
i'll leave it at that
:-D
That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a MIDI
file derived from the graphic image?
See, now we're on-topic again. ;-)
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
11:40 a.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On Fri, 31 May 2013 18:54:53 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
If not, you could write a little script that does the following:
RAW -> darktable -> BMP -> arss -> WAV -> <some WAV-to-MIDI program>
^ |
| MIDI
| |
| <some MIDI-to-LY program>
| |
| LY
| |
| lilypond
| |
| PDF
| |
| denemo (notation OCR)
| |
BMP <- BMP header + MIDI <- MIDI
Regards,
Philipp
On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote:
I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do
what I want to do with it.
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes
with excellent documentation.
very much like all other open source programs that come with
documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha scritto:
>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
>>
>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
>
> +1 ;)
I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For
instance, never
figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image.
So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program,
neither support
using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops.
(Well, near as I
can tell about Darktable.)
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most
un-intuitive and confusing interface I've seen in any program. A
shame. exporting a processed image happens with the
"export" feature in the
lighttable view (surprise!).
Where's that hiding? I never once saw it.
and not only does it support multiple cores
where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does
openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it.
if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a
refreshing sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a
learning curve...
But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable
have UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE
FINE MANUAL.
Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5
different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only
thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and
architectural drafting in middle school!
ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable
fanboy, and i'll leave it at
that :-D
That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a
MIDI file derived from the graphic image?
See, now we're on-topic again. ;-)
6:41 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
Or there's this ... https://github.com/markandrus/Sonify#readme
"Sonify is a JACK plugin I hacked together that encodes images into audio
and vice-versa, in realtime.
That is, given an image, Sonify generates a matrix of waveforms with
frequencies and amplitudes corresponding to the hue and luminance
components of each pixel (HSL color model) mapped over a given frequency
range. Sonify iterates through the given image row-by-row, pixel-by-pixel,
and plays back the corresponding waveform for a specified amount of time.
Simultaneously, Sonify calculates the frequency and amplitude of incoming
audio during this time, generates a corresponding HSL pixel (given S = 1),
and draws this pixel to a new image."
I have not used it yet so don't know if it works / is useful, etc.
On Sat, June 1, 2013 10:40 am, Philipp Ãberbacher wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 18:54:53 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
~~~
Home site - http://djbarney.org
On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier
wrote:
If not, you could write a little script that does the following:
RAW -> darktable -> BMP -> arss -> WAV -> <some WAV-to-MIDI
program>
^ |
| MIDI
| |
| <some MIDI-to-LY program>
| |
| LY
| |
| lilypond
| |
| PDF
| |
| denemo (notation OCR)
| |
BMP <- BMP header + MIDI <- MIDI
Regards,
Philipp
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-user mailing list
Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote:
I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do
what I want to do with it.
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
> On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
>> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha scritto:
>>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
>>>
>>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
>>
>> +1 ;)
>
> I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For
> instance, never
> figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image.
>
> So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
>
> But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program,
> neither support
> using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops.
> (Well, near as I
> can tell about Darktable.)
>
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most
un-intuitive and confusing interface I've seen in any program. A
shame.
unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes
with excellent documentation.
very much like all other open source programs that come with
documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D exporting a processed image happens with the
"export" feature in the
lighttable view (surprise!).
Where's that hiding? I never once saw it.
and not only does it support multiple cores
where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does
openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it.
if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a
refreshing sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a
learning curve...
But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable
have UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE
FINE MANUAL.
Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5
different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only
thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and
architectural drafting in middle school!
ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable
fanboy, and i'll leave it at
that :-D
That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a
MIDI file derived from the graphic image?
See, now we're on-topic again. ;-)
7:30 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On 05/31/2013 11:40 PM, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 18:54:53 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Hmmm, now that sounds interesting!
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
On 05/31/2013 01:58 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier
wrote:
If not, you could write a little script that does the following:
RAW -> darktable -> BMP -> arss -> WAV -> <some WAV-to-MIDI
program>
^ |
| MIDI
| |
| <some MIDI-to-LY program>
| |
| LY
| |
| lilypond
| |
| PDF
| |
| denemo (notation OCR)
| |
BMP <- BMP header + MIDI <- MIDI
Regards,
Philipp On 05/31/2013 09:29 PM, Jouni Rinne wrote:
I haven't had to consult documentation for RawTherapee in order to do
what I want to do with it.
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
> On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
>> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha scritto:
>>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
>>>
>>> check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
>>
>> +1 ;)
>
> I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For
> instance, never
> figured out how to get it to actually output a processed image.
>
> So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
>
> But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program,
> neither support
> using multiple cores, neither have the photo management chops.
> (Well, near as I
> can tell about Darktable.)
>
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most
un-intuitive and confusing interface I've seen in any program. A
shame.
unlike many other high-quality open source programs, darktable comes
with excellent documentation.
very much like all other open source programs that come with
documentation, nobody seems to bother to read it :-D exporting a processed image happens with the
"export" feature in the
lighttable view (surprise!).
Where's that hiding? I never once saw it.
and not only does it support multiple cores
where it matters (during batch processing and export), it even does
openCL rendering if your graphics hardware allows it.
if you think it's the most unintuitive ui, try blender for a
refreshing sense of perspective :) powerful programs tend to have a
learning curve...
But equally powerful programs that do the same thing as darktable
have UIs that make sense and are usable WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSULT THE
FINE MANUAL.
Anyway, my on-again-off-again experiences with 3D software (about 5
different programs) has always stumbled on their interfaces. The only
thing that helps are ancient memories of engineering and
architectural drafting in middle school!
ok, enough ot blabber, i'm a darktable
fanboy, and i'll leave it at
that :-D
That's OK. Does darktable have a plugin to turn a RAW photo into a
MIDI file derived from the graphic image?
See, now we're on-topic again. ;-)
11:30 a.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
2013/5/31 Jouni Rinne <l33tmmx(a)gmail.com>
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
I remember I was confused at first, but I learned quickly by watching some
screencasts:
http://www.darktable.org/resources/#screencasts
I think that the UI of Darktable is great, especially the last version
(view of modules is improved, for example)
On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
instance,
never
Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha
scritto:
I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
check out darktable.org and never look back :-D
+1 ;) figured out how to get it to actually output a
processed image.
So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program, neither
support
using multiple cores, neither have the photo
management chops. (Well,
near as I
can tell about Darktable.)
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and
confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame.
7:53 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On 05/31/2013 11:30 PM, Federico Bruni wrote:
2013/5/31 Jouni Rinne <l33tmmx(a)gmail.com
<mailto:l33tmmx@gmail.com>>
31.05.2013 22:04, david kirjoitti:
instance,
never
Thanks, but I think that if *someone must show you how to use a program*
when you're already familiar with the knowledge domain (photo
processing), it's not an intuitive UI.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
http://clanjones.org/david/
http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/
On 05/31/2013 02:15 AM, Ivan Tarozzi wrote:
> Il 31/05/2013 14:12, Jörn Nettingsmeier ha scritto:
>> On 05/31/2013 12:16 PM, david wrote:
>>
>> check out darktable.org <http://darktable.org> and never look
back :-D
+1 ;)
I tried out Darktable. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. For figured out how to get it to actually output a
processed image.
So I dropped it and went with RawTherapee instead. :-)
But neither of them have the speed of the proprietary program,
neither
support
using multiple cores, neither have the photo
management chops.
(Well, near as I
can tell about Darktable.)
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Darktable has the most un-intuitive and
confusing interface I've seen in any program. A shame.
I remember I was confused at first, but I learned quickly by watching
some screencasts:
http://www.darktable.org/resources/#screencasts
I think that the UI of Darktable is great, especially the last version
(view of modules is improved, for example) 
10:21 p.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 07:53:30AM -1000, david wrote:
On 05/31/2013 11:30 PM, Federico Bruni wrote:
The original comment was on how to load/save/import/export
in Darktable. How an app organises those operations should
depend mainly on how it manages data. Which is something a
user should be aware of, and that has little to do with any
application domain specific knowledge.
Darktable is not (thank $GOD) your typical 'document editor',
it never modifies its input files for example. Giving it the
usual top left corner 'File' menu would cripple it instead
of enhancing it, and the way it actually works makes perfect
sense at least to me. And indeed the manual is excellent.
(View from an occasional user's POV, I'm by no means deeply
into image processing)
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
I think that the UI of Darktable is great,
especially the last version
(view of modules is improved, for example)
Thanks, but I think that if *someone must show you how to use a
program* when you're already familiar with the knowledge domain
(photo processing), it's not an intuitive UI.
2 Jun
2 Jun
2:22 a.m.
New subject: [OT] photo processing (was Distro upgrade vs: new install)
On 06/01/2013 10:21 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 07:53:30AM -1000, david
wrote:
None of the RAW photo processors I've used modify the RAW file; RAW
files are the raw data files from the camera's sensor and not meant or
designed to be edited. So it is part of the domain knowledge.
Bibble5 has a File menu and a Save option that you can use to output a
processed image. Rawtherapee has a button that does the same thing (if
opened with a specific file, otherwise, you can either Save processed
image or queue them up and batch process them).
Making the function to save a processed image readily visible wouldn't
cripple Darktable anymore than it has crippled any of its competition.
Still Darktable's UI is better than that of MS Word 1.0 for DOS, where
you printed documents by first selecting the Output menu ...
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On 05/31/2013 11:30 PM, Federico Bruni wrote:
The original comment was on how to load/save/import/export
in Darktable. How an app organises those operations should
depend mainly on how it manages data. Which is something a
user should be aware of, and that has little to do with any
application domain specific knowledge.
Darktable is not (thank $GOD) your typical 'document editor',
it never modifies its input files for example. Giving it the
usual top left corner 'File' menu would cripple it instead
of enhancing it, and the way it actually works makes perfect
sense at least to me. And indeed the manual is excellent.
(View from an occasional user's POV, I'm by no means deeply
into image processing) I think that the UI of Darktable is great,
especially the last version
(view of modules is improved, for example)
Thanks, but I think that if *someone must show you how to use a
program* when you're already familiar with the knowledge domain
(photo processing), it's not an intuitive UI.
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