18 Dec
2006
18 Dec
'06
7:09 p.m.
I've just started on a new melody (well last night actually). It has a
long way to go, but I thought you might like to hear the outline. I'm
not yet sure where to take it.
It sort of conveys the idea of some sort of exotic caravan journey
across the ancient middle east. A small band of friends maybe?
It is at http:/www.musically.me.uk/music/Orient.ogg
Comments welcome
--
Will J G
18 Dec
18 Dec
7:48 p.m.
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 00:09, Folderol wrote:
I've just started on a new melody (well last night
actually). It has a
long way to go, but I thought you might like to hear the outline. I'm
not yet sure where to take it.
It sort of conveys the idea of some sort of exotic caravan journey
across the ancient middle east. A small band of friends maybe?
It is at http:/www.musically.me.uk/music/Orient.ogg
Comments welcome
or perhaps at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Orient.ogg
Nigel.
7:48 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:09:02PM +0000, Folderol wrote:
It sort of conveys the idea of some sort of exotic
caravan journey
across the ancient middle east. A small band of friends maybe?
It is at http:/www.musically.me.uk/music/Orient.ogg
It surely makes one dream... But the oriental connection remains
hidden to me - there's no trace of 'oriental harmony', and the
3/4 measure reminds me more of Austria...
--
FA
Lascia la spina, cogli la rosa.
9:30 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:09:02 +0000
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
It sort of conveys the idea of some sort of exotic
caravan journey
across the ancient middle east. A small band of friends maybe?
Sounds a lot like some German Volkslieder rather than anything Middle
East, really. Can't find anything oriental in there.
Al
19 Dec
19 Dec
5:11 a.m.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:09:02PM +0000, Folderol wrote:
It sort of conveys the idea of some sort of exotic caravan journey
across the ancient middle east. A small band of friends maybe?
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Orient.ogg
Chinese in the alps, I would say ;)
It's full of volksmusik phrases. If you want to get away
from that, you should perhaps study some to not do what
they do.
3/4 can only make it hard to get away from that. AFAIK
some belly dancing music uses wicked time signatures
like 9/8 or 7/8, so consider switching.
The chinese touch could be emphasized by working
out the pentatonic character, I guess.
Aside all that, there's some notes that drag against
the beat.
--
Thorsten Wilms
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8:48 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:10:32 +0100
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> écrivait:
The chinese touch could be emphasized by working
out the pentatonic character, I guess.
I've been listening to some Chinese music recently and one
characteristic that's found here and there is the sliding of many
notes towards what they end up to be. Like when painting a wall and
doing a faux finish: a base coloured coat is applied and then a paler
coat is put using a rag or somesuch. The target note is known but the
instrument works its way towards it. Surely this is due to the nature
of some of the traditional Chinese instruments.
Apart from that, throwing a good amount of semitones would at least
convey a cliché Middle Eastern mood. That'd be fun with the Alps
background.
I think Hubert von Goisern did some mix like that.
Al
20 Dec
20 Dec
9:55 p.m.
On 12/19/06, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:10:32 +0100
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> écrivait:
http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/China's_Ch'in.htm
One thing most people don't know is that occasionally the 8/7
frequency ratio came up on the Ch'in. If your finger is where the 8th
harmonic would be, i.e. 1/8th of the string, and you press down to
stop the string, the string length goes to 7/8 of full length,
producing the 8/7 frequency, which goes against everything else in the
system. This link has lots of info.
The chinese touch could be emphasized by working
out the pentatonic character, I guess.
I've been listening to some Chinese music recently and one
characteristic that's found here and there is the sliding of many
notes towards what they end up to be. Like when painting a wall and
doing a faux finish: a base coloured coat is applied and then a paler
coat is put using a rag or somesuch. The target note is known but the
instrument works its way towards it. Surely this is due to the nature
of some of the traditional Chinese instruments.
Apart from that, throwing a good amount of semitones would at least
convey a cliché Middle Eastern mood. That'd be fun with the Alps
background.
This book is one of the best resources on Islamic tunings I've found:
http://eamusic.dartmouth.edu/~larry/published_articles/divisions_of_the_tet…
Mostly focusing on Greek tunings, but also addressing the alterations
the Islamic theorists made to the Greek systems.
Also,
http://www.chrysalis-foundation.org/Al-Farabi's_'Uds.htm
(I skip down past all the writing to the tables usually)
Al Farabi was the man to know.
I know most people aren't interested in tuning, but for those who are
curious, check it out.
-Chuckk
--
"Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to
work hard at work worth doing."
-Theodore Roosevelt
4:54 p.m.
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:10:32 +0100
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:09:02PM +0000, Folderol
wrote:
Well at least someone found SOME Chinese flavour!
It sort of conveys the idea of some sort of exotic caravan journey
across the ancient middle east. A small band of friends maybe?
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Orient.ogg
Chinese in the alps, I would say ;) It's full of volksmusik phrases. If you want to
get away
from that, you should perhaps study some to not do what
they do.
3/4 can only make it hard to get away from that. AFAIK
some belly dancing music uses wicked time signatures
like 9/8 or 7/8, so consider switching.
The chinese touch could be emphasized by working
out the pentatonic character, I guess.
Aside all that, there's some notes that drag against
the beat.
This is quite deliberate and will need refining, but is done to make
the melody sound more lazy, almost careless.
I would like to thank everyone for their comments and suggestions ...
even though they weren't what I expected!
I have done more development and the music has rather taken control of
the direction. I don't think it would have been a good idea to try and
shoe-horn it into a style it didn't fit. I think that would have
ended up as a, not very good not very oriental, piece.
However in recognition of it's starting point I've renamed it 'East To
West' and I won't even attempt to define a style for it :)
There is still a lot to do.
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/East_To_West.ogg
No typos this time!
--
Will J G
5:55 p.m.
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 21:54, Folderol wrote:
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:10:32 +0100
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
Apologies for jumping in and updating the URL. Just trying to make it easier
for folks to listen to your latest tune.
Anyway Will, I like your rendition of Silent Night, especially the very nice
key change in the last part of it.
Thanks for sharing.
Nigel.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:09:02PM +0000,
Folderol wrote:
Well at least someone found SOME Chinese flavour!
It sort of conveys the idea of some sort of
exotic caravan journey
across the ancient middle east. A small band of friends maybe?
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Orient.ogg
Chinese in the alps, I would say ;) It's full of volksmusik phrases. If you want
to get away
from that, you should perhaps study some to not do what
they do.
3/4 can only make it hard to get away from that. AFAIK
some belly dancing music uses wicked time signatures
like 9/8 or 7/8, so consider switching.
The chinese touch could be emphasized by working
out the pentatonic character, I guess.
Aside all that, there's some notes that drag against
the beat.
This is quite deliberate and will need refining, but is done to make
the melody sound more lazy, almost careless.
I would like to thank everyone for their comments and suggestions ...
even though they weren't what I expected!
I have done more development and the music has rather taken control of
the direction. I don't think it would have been a good idea to try and
shoe-horn it into a style it didn't fit. I think that would have
ended up as a, not very good not very oriental, piece.
However in recognition of it's starting point I've renamed it 'East To
West' and I won't even attempt to define a style for it :)
There is still a lot to do.
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/East_To_West.ogg
No typos this time!
9:45 p.m.
On 12/20/06, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/East_To_West.ogg
No typos this time!
I can't load it... Did you take it down?
21 Dec
21 Dec
1:49 p.m.
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:44:24 -0500
"Chuckk Hubbard" <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/20/06, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org>
wrote:
It seems the hosting ISP had a problem today. Everything is back to
normal now.
--
Will J G
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/East_To_West.ogg
No typos this time!
I can't load it... Did you take it down?
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