10 Jul
2009
10 Jul
'09
5:03 p.m.
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on Wine with Adobe Flash (presumably so that I
can actually see people's websites, and listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a
32-bit system.
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the only drivers available are dmix, but I
don't have dmix configured, or running, and I do NOT want dmix at all!
http://portaserver.restivo.org/kens/dmix0.png
I use this system for JACK audio, so I don't want crap mixing happening in ALSA adding
latency. I'm fine with shutting down JACK in order to surf on Windoze, for those times
when I actually need it. I do NOT want to have to run a soundserver like ESD, which is
what a lot of the advice on Das Internets seems to say to do.
So I want Wine/Firefox to just use the direct access to the ALSA card.
My .asoundrc is empty, which is kind of how I like it.
In Googling around, I found advice to add this to my .asoundrc:
pcm.dmix0 { type plug slave.pcm "hw:0,0" }
Seems like it'd be a neat way to force Wine to do what I want, without having to do
what it wants. I tried it, though, and nothing.
-ken
10 Jul
10 Jul
5:07 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Ken Restivo<ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on Wine
with Adobe Flash (presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and listen
to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the only drivers available are dmix, but I
don't have dmix configured, or running, and I do NOT want dmix at all!
http://portaserver.restivo.org/kens/dmix0.png
I use this system for JACK audio, so I don't want crap mixing happening in ALSA
adding latency. I'm fine with shutting down JACK in order to surf on Windoze, for
those times when I actually need it. I do NOT want to have to run a soundserver like ESD,
which is what a lot of the advice on Das Internets seems to say to do.
So I want Wine/Firefox to just use the direct access to the ALSA card.
My .asoundrc is empty, which is kind of how I like it.
In Googling around, I found advice to add this to my .asoundrc:
pcm.dmix0 { type plug slave.pcm "hw:0,0" }
Seems like it'd be a neat way to force Wine to do what I want, without having to do
what it wants. I tried it, though, and nothing.
-ken
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Have you tried wineasio? This has worked for me (with reaper and
audiomulch). I don't see why it wouldn't work with firefox/flash.
http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=ASIO_with_Wineasio
5:08 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Justin Smith<noisesmith(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Ken
Restivo<ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Meant to add, wineasio lets wine apps use jack.
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash (presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and
listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the only drivers available are dmix, but I
don't have dmix configured, or running, and I do NOT want dmix at all!
http://portaserver.restivo.org/kens/dmix0.png
I use this system for JACK audio, so I don't want crap mixing happening in ALSA
adding latency. I'm fine with shutting down JACK in order to surf on Windoze, for
those times when I actually need it. I do NOT want to have to run a soundserver like ESD,
which is what a lot of the advice on Das Internets seems to say to do.
So I want Wine/Firefox to just use the direct access to the ALSA card.
My .asoundrc is empty, which is kind of how I like it.
In Googling around, I found advice to add this to my .asoundrc:
pcm.dmix0 { type plug slave.pcm "hw:0,0" }
Seems like it'd be a neat way to force Wine to do what I want, without having to do
what it wants. I tried it, though, and nothing.
-ken
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Have you tried wineasio? This has worked for me (with reaper and
audiomulch). I don't see why it wouldn't work with firefox/flash.
http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki/index.php?title=ASIO_with_Wineasio
5:36 p.m.
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:03:14 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on Wine
with Adobe Flash (presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and listen
to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
Have I missed something here? I have no problem using Adobe's Flash for
Linux on my systems.
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Joe Hartley<jh(a)brainiac.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:03:14 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
The reason I would be tempted to do this, is because the linux
versions of flash and firefox are huge cumbersome cpu-hogs, and I hear
the windows versions of both programs, running under wine, run much
more smoothly.
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash (presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and
listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
Have I missed something here? I have no problem using Adobe's Flash for
Linux on my systems.
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7:01 p.m.
On Friday 10 July 2009 04:50:26 pm Justin Smith wrote:
The reason I would be tempted to do this, is because
the linux
versions of flash and firefox are huge cumbersome cpu-hogs, and I hear
the windows versions of both programs, running under wine, run much
more smoothly.
I have had high CPU usage with Flash 10 since I switched to Jaunty (was
running Flash 9 before.) But I've also had high CPU usage with KDE4 apps,
so I suspect my Intel video drivers (or the version of Xorg in Jaunty) may
be to blame. There are bugs filed for both possibilities. This would mean
Flash 10 under Wine won't help, so I guess I need to try it and report
back.
Playing a standard, low-res Youtube video pegs my CPU nowadays, so I can
understand why Ken might be frustrated enough to resort to drastic
measures.
Rob
7:05 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rob<lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
On Friday 10 July 2009 04:50:26 pm Justin Smith
wrote:
I have had great luck with using the downloadhelper firefox addon,
then playing the resulting flv with mplayer. This doesn't help with
interactive flash, of course, but it helps lots with youtube, vimeo,
et al.
The reason I would be tempted to do this, is
because the linux
versions of flash and firefox are huge cumbersome cpu-hogs, and I hear
the windows versions of both programs, running under wine, run much
more smoothly.
I have had high CPU usage with Flash 10 since I switched to Jaunty (was
running Flash 9 before.) But I've also had high CPU usage with KDE4 apps,
so I suspect my Intel video drivers (or the version of Xorg in Jaunty) may
be to blame. There are bugs filed for both possibilities. This would mean
Flash 10 under Wine won't help, so I guess I need to try it and report
back.
Playing a standard, low-res Youtube video pegs my CPU nowadays, so I can
understand why Ken might be frustrated enough to resort to drastic
measures.
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10:26 p.m.
Justin Smith wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM,
Rob<lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
64bit linux flash is mostly broken...I can play some videos off google
with the alpha version in 64bit UbuntuStudio 8.04 ... I didn't even
think of running firefox under wine as a workaround...
Sam Javor
On Friday 10 July 2009 04:50:26 pm Justin Smith
wrote:
I have had great luck with using the downloadhelper firefox addon,
then playing the resulting flv with mplayer. This doesn't help with
interactive flash, of course, but it helps lots with youtube, vimeo,
et al.
The reason I would be tempted to do this, is
because the linux
versions of flash and firefox are huge cumbersome cpu-hogs, and I hear
the windows versions of both programs, running under wine, run much
more smoothly.
I have had high CPU usage with Flash 10 since I switched to Jaunty (was
running Flash 9 before.) But I've also had high CPU usage with KDE4 apps,
so I suspect my Intel video drivers (or the version of Xorg in Jaunty) may
be to blame. There are bugs filed for both possibilities. This would mean
Flash 10 under Wine won't help, so I guess I need to try it and report
back.
Playing a standard, low-res Youtube video pegs my CPU nowadays, so I can
understand why Ken might be frustrated enough to resort to drastic
measures.
Rob
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11 p.m.
No problems running 64bit Firefox with Adobe's 64bit plugin on debian sid here
Norv
PS: Never tried Wine - don't you guys get Swine Flu from that Windoze stuff? ... ;)
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4:39 a.m.
Justin Smith wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM,
Rob<lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
There's also the youtube-dl script. And there's another script I've seen
that does YouTube and Vimeo, but I forget what it's called.
Checking out the video downloadhelper extension, seems to be convenient.
Thanks for mentioning it!
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On Friday 10 July 2009 04:50:26 pm Justin Smith
wrote:
I have had great luck with using the downloadhelper firefox addon,
then playing the resulting flv with mplayer. This doesn't help with
interactive flash, of course, but it helps lots with youtube, vimeo,
et al. The reason I would be tempted to do this, is
because the linux
versions of flash and firefox are huge cumbersome cpu-hogs, and I hear
the windows versions of both programs, running under wine, run much
more smoothly.
I have had high CPU usage with Flash 10 since I switched to Jaunty
(was
running Flash 9 before.) But I've also had high CPU usage with KDE4 apps,
so I suspect my Intel video drivers (or the version of Xorg in Jaunty) may
be to blame. There are bugs filed for both possibilities. This would mean
Flash 10 under Wine won't help, so I guess I need to try it and report
back.
Playing a standard, low-res Youtube video pegs my CPU nowadays, so I can
understand why Ken might be frustrated enough to resort to drastic
measures.
Rob
5:10 a.m.
On Friday 10 July 2009 05:05:35 pm Justin Smith wrote:
I have had great luck with using the downloadhelper
firefox addon,
I use that quite a bit, but when I'm just curious about something I don't
want to go through the whole process. I might end up downloading it later
(as with that "United Breaks Guitars" thing that's been going around the
last day or two) but most often I don't.
Rob
4:11 a.m.
Rob wrote:
On Friday 10 July 2009 04:50:26 pm Justin Smith
wrote:
Hmmm, I have no such problem with Flash on Debian Lenny. Many times, I
have a Flash music video playing in FF, switch it to the background, and
continue doing other stuff with the computer without any performance
impact at all. Must be a problem with Ubuntu.
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The reason I would be tempted to do this, is
because the linux
versions of flash and firefox are huge cumbersome cpu-hogs, and I hear
the windows versions of both programs, running under wine, run much
more smoothly.
I have had high CPU usage with Flash 10 since I switched to Jaunty (was
running Flash 9 before.) But I've also had high CPU usage with KDE4 apps,
so I suspect my Intel video drivers (or the version of Xorg in Jaunty) may
be to blame. There are bugs filed for both possibilities. This would mean
Flash 10 under Wine won't help, so I guess I need to try it and report
back.
Playing a standard, low-res Youtube video pegs my CPU nowadays, so I can
understand why Ken might be frustrated enough to resort to drastic
measures.
5:12 a.m.
On Saturday 11 July 2009 02:03:16 am david wrote:
Hmmm, I have no such problem with Flash on Debian
Lenny. Many times, I
have a Flash music video playing in FF, switch it to the background, and
continue doing other stuff with the computer without any performance
impact at all. Must be a problem with Ubuntu.
Well, I've no idea what Ken uses (and his problem is pretty different than
mine), but I did mention I was using Jaunty specifically. It still works
fine on Hardy (whose Flash is 9.0) and OK on Intrepid, both of which
default to earlier versions of Xorg -- as appears to be the case with Lenny
since Debian stable goes into feature freeze about what, 6 or 7 years
before each release? So in a couple of years you may run into this
problem, in Rocky or Scud or whatever they name it by then.
What doesn't work fine on Hardy is LMMS 0.4.4, which wouldn't even build
unless I installed a lot of newer versions of packages that would undermine
the stability which would be my entire reason for running a long-term
release. Intrepid's shelf life is already running out unless I spend more
time backporting packages than I have available, so I'm stuck running
newer, unstable distros for a while.
Rob
5:18 a.m.
Rob wrote:
On Saturday 11 July 2009 02:03:16 am david wrote:
Debian Etch shifted Sid over to Lenny within the past year, so this is a
much newer thing than that old Debian Stable ... Whatever, it's running
Flash 10.
I suppose it could be a problem with Xorg ...
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Hmmm, I have no such problem with Flash on Debian
Lenny. Many times, I
have a Flash music video playing in FF, switch it to the background, and
continue doing other stuff with the computer without any performance
impact at all. Must be a problem with Ubuntu.
Well, I've no idea what Ken uses (and his problem is pretty different than
mine), but I did mention I was using Jaunty specifically. It still works
fine on Hardy (whose Flash is 9.0) and OK on Intrepid, both of which
default to earlier versions of Xorg -- as appears to be the case with Lenny
since Debian stable goes into feature freeze about what, 6 or 7 years
before each release? So in a couple of years you may run into this
problem, in Rocky or Scud or whatever they name it by then.
5:59 a.m.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:10 AM, david<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Rob wrote:
Firefox can be configured to use an alsa plugin or esd-compatible
soundserver. Check the file /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc (or
/etc/firefox/firefoxrc as appropriate). The line to use pulseaudio is
"ICEWEASEL_DSP="padsp" (or FIREFOX_DSP="padsp"). With the alsa
jack
output plugin, or the pulseaudio jack output backend, you can even
make firefox and its flash plugins go through jack.
For what it is worth, I have a dual-core 3.2 gigahertz pentium 4 with
1.4 gigs of RAM in my main machine, and flash video playback often
pegs one of my CPU's to nearly 100%. If there are more than three
flash video objects active at once on one page it often stalls
iceweasel to a complete halt, if not crashing it entirely (I presume
it is some kind of race condition or re-entrancy problem with the
Linux version of the adobe plugin). I work around this latter issue by
using the flash-block plugin, which shows a play button for each flash
object that does not load the flash plugin until you click on it.
On Saturday 11 July 2009 02:03:16 am david
wrote:
Debian Etch shifted Sid over to Lenny within the past year, so this is a
much newer thing than that old Debian Stable ... Whatever, it's running
Flash 10.
I suppose it could be a problem with Xorg ...
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Hmmm, I have no such problem with Flash on Debian
Lenny. Many times, I
have a Flash music video playing in FF, switch it to the background, and
continue doing other stuff with the computer without any performance
impact at all. Must be a problem with Ubuntu.
Well, I've no idea what Ken uses (and his problem is pretty different than
mine), but I did mention I was using Jaunty specifically. It still works
fine on Hardy (whose Flash is 9.0) and OK on Intrepid, both of which
default to earlier versions of Xorg -- as appears to be the case with Lenny
since Debian stable goes into feature freeze about what, 6 or 7 years
before each release? So in a couple of years you may run into this
problem, in Rocky or Scud or whatever they name it by then.
4:08 a.m.
Justin Smith wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Joe
Hartley<jh(a)brainiac.com> wrote:
Well, I use FF on Linux and WXP, with Adobe Flash on both, and wouldn't
describe them on either platform as "cpu-hogs". For me, the Linux
versions of both run quite smoothly.
I can't say anything about performance. My personal laptop (with Linux)
has a 1.5GHz Celeron M processor with 768MB of memory and the awful
Intel video chipset that uses system memory for the video. My work
laptop (with WXP) has a 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo with 2GB of memory and a nice,
snappy non-Intel chipset that doesn't use system memory.
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:03:14 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
The reason I would be tempted to do this, is because the linux
versions of flash and firefox are huge cumbersome cpu-hogs, and I hear
the windows versions of both programs, running under wine, run much
more smoothly. I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash (presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and
listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
Have I missed
something here? I have no problem using Adobe's Flash for
Linux on my systems.
2:29 p.m.
2009/7/10 Justin Smith <noisesmith(a)gmail.com>om>:
...linux versions of flash and firefox are huge
cumbersome cpu-hogs, ....
Totally agree.
Wonder, how they managed to make iceweasel use more cpu and mem
than any raytracing app ...am I going overboard?
It really seems to behave bad with the new flash versions.
With flash sites opened (but stopped), cpu often goes to 46%
although the user is idle...
I found two lighter browsers, which support flash.
You may try those called Arora and Midori.
(Use a recent Qt version too.)
10:17 p.m.
"Wonder, how they managed to make iceweasel use more cpu and mem
than any raytracing app ...am I going overboard?
It really seems to behave bad with the new flash versions.
With flash sites opened (but stopped), cpu often goes to 46%
although the user is idle..."
On debian unstable 64bit iceweasel I'm seeing about 5-10% cpu in my little cpu usage
window watching a random Youtube vid
HTH
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 03:36:36PM -0400, Joe Hartley wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:03:14 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
I downloaded the "latest" Flash from Adobe (the actual latest isn't, of
course, available for Linux, but an older version is), and then tried the installation
script:
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
WTF? OK, I just manually put the libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir
then. Re-start Firefox. Flash goo-dads show up in websites now. All is bliss, all is
bliss.
Except.
No audio! None at all coming out of the audio card as MySpace music is supposedly
playing.
However, plenty of "Device or resource busy" errors from anything else I try to
play, which means FF was definitely opening and holding open the audio driver.... now I
remember why I did not want Flash in my regular browser.
So anyway. Not so good. I'm not going to invest a whole lot of time in this problem,
but if there's something obvious I'm doing wrong, please let me know.
-ken
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash (presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and
listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
Have I missed something here? I have no problem using Adobe's Flash for
Linux on my systems.
5:13 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 03:36:36PM -0400, Joe Hartley
wrote:
Yah, it's a bug in the Flash installer.
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:03:14 -0700 Ken Restivo
<ken(a)restivo.org>
wrote:
I downloaded the "latest" Flash from Adobe (the actual latest isn't,
of course, available for Linux, but an older version is), and then
tried the installation script:
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera
browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera
browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera
browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera
browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera
browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera
browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
WTF? OK, I just manually put the libflashplayer.so into the
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir then. Re-start Firefox. Flash goo-dads
show up in websites now. All is bliss, all is bliss. I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash
(presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and
listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
Have I missed
something here? I have no problem using Adobe's
Flash for Linux on my systems.
Except.
No audio! None at all coming out of the audio card as MySpace music
is supposedly playing.
However, plenty of "Device or resource busy" errors from anything
else I try to play, which means FF was definitely opening and holding
open the audio driver.... now I remember why I did not want Flash in
my regular browser.
So anyway. Not so good. I'm not going to invest a whole lot of time
in this problem, but if there's something obvious I'm doing wrong,
please let me know.
Well, I can tell you one thing. No version of Flash I've encountered
lets me specify *which* sound card to use for playback. On my laptop, it
always plays through the crappy Intel audio and laptop speakers, instead
of my USB sound card. Supposedly there's a patch or something to apply
to Flash that lets you pick a sound card ... Anyway, that's why I use
scripts like youtube-dl (or video downloadhelper now) to download vids.
Of course, that doesn't help with the stupid Flash audio players ...
So if you have multiple sound cards on your computer, Flash is going to
use only one of them no matter what you do, and I haven't figured out
how it decides which one to use ... Anyway, it sounds like Flash is
trying to use a card on your system that is already busy. For example,
maybe it's trying to use the sound card that JACK is using. (I don't
think Flash supports JACK at all. Don't have PulseAudio around to see if
that does any better.)
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2:15 p.m.
2009/7/11 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
WTF? OK, I just manually put the libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir
then. Re-start Firefox. Flash goo-dads show up in websites now. All is bliss, all is
bliss.
Except.
No audio! None at all coming out of the audio card as MySpace music is supposedly
playing.
What is in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc (or firefoxrc )
Here it's:
ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss"
3:40 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 06:15:47PM +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
2009/7/11 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
Thanks! Mine was set to "none", apparently a known bug:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404356
However, setting it to "aoss" didn't change anything. Still no sound on
flash.
I haven't been able to find any documentation on this variable or what-all it's
possible settings are.
I have only one sound card on this machine, so it's not like it's getting sent
somewhere else.
I am indeed on Lenny.
-ken
WTF? OK, I just manually put the libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir
then. Re-start Firefox. Flash goo-dads show up in websites now. All is bliss, all is
bliss.
Except.
No audio! None at all coming out of the audio card as MySpace music is supposedly
playing.
What is in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc (or firefoxrc )
Here it's:
ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss"
4:02 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Ken Restivo<ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 06:15:47PM +0200, Emanuel
Rumpf wrote:
do you have alsa oss emulation running? That is the first thing I
would check. Also, there if you can get the pulseaudio jack backend
working, switch the wrapper to padsp and then firefox can route
through jack.
2009/7/11 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
Thanks! Mine was set to "none", apparently a known bug:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404356
However, setting it to "aoss" didn't change anything. Still no sound on
flash.
I haven't been able to find any documentation on this variable or what-all it's
possible settings are.
I have only one sound card on this machine, so it's not like it's getting sent
somewhere else.
I am indeed on Lenny.
-ken
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WTF? OK, I just manually put the libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir
then. Re-start Firefox. Flash goo-dads show up in websites now. All is bliss, all is
bliss.
Except.
No audio! None at all coming out of the audio card as MySpace music is supposedly
playing.
What is in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc (or firefoxrc )
Here it's:
ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss"
4:14 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:02:59AM -0700, Justin Smith wrote:
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Ken
Restivo<ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Sure. Seems like a lightweight wrapper :-)
sudo apt-get install pulseaudio-module-jack
The following extra packages will be installed:
gnome-audio gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio libasound2-plugins libasyncns0
libgconfmm-2.6-1c2 libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0
libpulsecore5 padevchooser paman paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter pulseaudio
pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal
pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulseaudio-utils
The following NEW packages will be installed:
gnome-audio gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio libasound2-plugins libasyncns0
libgconfmm-2.6-1c2 libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0
libpulsecore5 padevchooser paman paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter pulseaudio
pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal
pulseaudio-module-jack pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf
pulseaudio-utils
0 upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 154 not upgraded.
Need to get 3367kB of archives.
After this operation, 7524kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
7.5MB later, my problem will be solved, eh?
-ken
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 06:15:47PM +0200, Emanuel
Rumpf wrote:
do you have alsa oss emulation running? That is the first thing I
would check. Also, there if you can get the pulseaudio jack backend
working, switch the wrapper to padsp and then firefox can route
through jack. 2009/7/11 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
Thanks! Mine was set to "none", apparently a known bug:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404356
However, setting it to "aoss" didn't change anything. Still no sound on
flash.
I haven't been able to find any documentation on this variable or what-all it's
possible settings are.
I have only one sound card on this machine, so it's not like it's getting sent
somewhere else.
I am indeed on Lenny.
-ken
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WTF? OK, I just manually put the libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir
then. Re-start Firefox. Flash goo-dads show up in websites now. All is bliss, all is
bliss.
Except.
No audio! None at all coming out of the audio card as MySpace music is supposedly
playing.
What is in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc ?(or firefoxrc )
Here it's:
ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" 
4:29 p.m.
Personally, I'd suggest that you guys send around the collection pot
for Torben Hohn. It might be just the push he needs (if you can fill
it) to finish/release libJumpingJackFlash, which plugs into Flash
itself and connects it directly to JACK.
--p
4:33 p.m.
true
rs
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote;wrote:
Personally, I'd suggest that you guys send around
the collection pot
for Torben Hohn. It might be just the push he needs (if you can fill
it) to finish/release libJumpingJackFlash, which plugs into Flash
itself and connects it directly to JACK.
--p
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6:10 p.m.
Paul Davis wrote:
Personally, I'd suggest that you guys send around
the collection pot
for Torben Hohn. It might be just the push he needs (if you can fill
it) to finish/release libJumpingJackFlash, which plugs into Flash
itself and connects it directly to JACK.
yep, i can testify that's working very satisfactorily on my boxes. fwiw,
git://repo.or.cz/libflashsupport-jack.git
still missing a fallback-to-original-alsa-pcm in case jack is not or
cannot be found available.
cheers
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rncbc(a)rncbc.org
10:43 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:13:54AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote:
Sure. Seems like a lightweight wrapper :-)
sudo apt-get install pulseaudio-module-jack
...
0 upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 154 not upgraded.
Need to get 3367kB of archives.
The "Recommends" packages are being installed on your system. This is a
new feature in the past few years. The default used to be that only the
essential packages are installed. If you'd like the old default
behaviour back again, configure APT ... my systems have this file:
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99quozlnoinstallrecommends with the content:
APT
{
Install-Recommends "false";
};
After this operation, 7524kB of additional disk space
will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
7.5MB later, my problem will be solved, eh?
It is much less without the recommended packages. I doubt it will solve
your problem, though. ;-)
--
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13 Jul
13 Jul
9:55 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 09:47:27PM +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
2009/7/11 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
I did that before I tried it. Didn't work.
No error message either, which is frustrating.
Nothing in the Error Console. Where, if anywhere, does Flash log its errors and/or
status?
-ken
However, setting it to "aoss"
didn't change anything. Still no sound on flash.
try to:
apt-get install alsa-oss
11 Jul
11 Jul
6:35 p.m.
Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
2009/7/11 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
Mine says "none". Which plugin to put there to use JACK?
Another thought occurred to me. The Mozilla.com builds of Firefox are
much leaner when it comes to memory and CPU use. Replacing Iceweasel
with Firefox might make the difference.
--
David
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WTF? OK, I just manually put the
libflashplayer.so into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir then. Re-start Firefox. Flash
goo-dads show up in websites now. All is bliss, all is bliss.
Except.
No audio! None at all coming out of the audio card as MySpace music is supposedly
playing.
What is in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc (or firefoxrc )
Here it's:
ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" 
10 Jul
10 Jul
5:57 p.m.
On Friday 10 July 2009 15:03:14 Ken Restivo wrote:
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on Wine
with Adobe Flash
(presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and listen to
their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the only drivers available are
dmix, but I don't have dmix configured, or running, and I do NOT want dmix
at all!
http://portaserver.restivo.org/kens/dmix0.png
I use this system for JACK audio, so I don't want crap mixing happening in
ALSA adding latency. I'm fine with shutting down JACK in order to surf on
Windoze, for those times when I actually need it. I do NOT want to have to
run a soundserver like ESD, which is what a lot of the advice on Das
Internets seems to say to do.
So I want Wine/Firefox to just use the direct access to the ALSA card.
My .asoundrc is empty, which is kind of how I like it.
In Googling around, I found advice to add this to my .asoundrc:
pcm.dmix0 { type plug slave.pcm "hw:0,0" }
Seems like it'd be a neat way to force Wine to do what I want, without
having to do what it wants. I tried it, though, and nothing.
Ken,
I don't know enough to really speak to this, but I can play wine stuff through
jack.
-ken
all the best,
drew
11 Jul
11 Jul
4:02 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on Wine
with Adobe Flash
(presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and listen
to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
And I use Firefox on Linux with Adobe Flash to listen to music and watch
videos. Any particular reason why you're using the Windows version for
FF via WINE?
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the only
drivers available
are dmix, but I don't have dmix configured, or running, and I do NOT
want dmix at all!
I've never tried to do anything involving sound with WINE, so haven't a
clue ...
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4:12 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:54:32PM -1000, david wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
Hmm. Still not a-werkin'.
youtube-dl works perfectly for downloading YouTube, but that's not why I want Flash. I
need Flash so I can finally go to people's goddamned MySpace pages and listen to their
music. And see Facebook and MySpace videos. And DailyKosTV videos. And to see bands'
and labels' websites, which too often show up as big grey squares on my browser, with
nothing in them: too many of them are Flash-only.
The Linux version of Flash always seems to be 2-3 versions behind the Windoze version. And
sites too often complain about that. So I was not going to bother with Flash at all on
Linux, just run WINE instead. I've never seen a "free flash substitute" that
actually worked, so I'm not bothering with those.
Also, it's nice to have two separate browsers: one with flash, and one without. I can
thus use firefox.exe as my Flash/MySpace/etc browser occasionally when I need it.
-ken
I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash
(presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and listen
to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
And I use Firefox on Linux with Adobe Flash to listen to music and watch
videos. Any particular reason why you're using the Windows version for
FF via WINE?
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the
only drivers available
are dmix, but I don't have dmix configured, or running, and I do NOT
want dmix at all!
I've never tried to do anything involving sound with WINE, so haven't a
clue ...
5:06 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:54:32PM -1000, david
wrote:
Hmmm, playing MySpace music from Flogging Molly
<http://www.myspace.com/floggingmolly> right now in FF with Linux Flash
Player 10, no performance problem whatsoever.
Also a video of the Michael Jackson memorial. My only unhappiness about
MJ's death is he didn't take Britney, Madonna and the rest of the
"artists" of crap pop music with him.
Don't have a Facebook login, so can't test that.
Ken Restivo wrote:
Hmm. Still not a-werkin'.
youtube-dl works perfectly for downloading YouTube, but that's not
why I want Flash. I need Flash so I can finally go to people's
goddamned MySpace pages and listen to their music. And see Facebook
and MySpace videos. I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash
(presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and
listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
And I use Firefox on
Linux with Adobe Flash to listen to music and
watch videos. Any particular reason why you're using the Windows
version for FF via WINE?
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the
only drivers
available are dmix, but I don't have dmix configured, or running,
and I do NOT want dmix at all!
I've never tried to do anything involving sound
with WINE, so
haven't a clue ... And DailyKosTV videos. And to see bands' and
labels' websites, which too often show up as big grey squares on my
browser, with nothing in them: too many of them are Flash-only.
What distro are you using? Debian Lenny here, with not RT kernel.
My recent work installing an audio distro on what is now the
synth/effects box makes me think that Ubuntu is about at the end of its
life as an audio platform. Ubuntu seems to be steering away from
supporting the needs of pro audio. For instance, trying their RT-kernel
on a fresh UbuntuStudio install was sufficient to hose it ...
The Linux version of Flash always seems to be 2-3
versions behind the
Windoze version. And sites too often complain about that.
Hmm, haven't encountered that.
So I was
not going to bother with Flash at all on Linux, just run WINE
instead. I've never seen a "free flash substitute" that actually
worked, so I'm not bothering with those.
I've tried a couple of those. Never got them to work. Some wouldn't even
give me an empty gray area where the Flash video was.
Also, it's nice to have two separate browsers: one
with flash, and
one without. I can thus use firefox.exe as my Flash/MySpace/etc
browser occasionally when I need it.
I suppose that's one good point. But Firefox with NoScript essentially
gives me the same functionality.
--
David
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18 Sep
18 Sep
1:45 a.m.
New subject: Wine + Firefox + Flash == No Audio with ALSA... SOLVED!
After all this, you'll love what the solution was.
Audio appeared to be workin in Flash on my 32-bit Lenny netbook with an HDA-Intel card.
But there was one small problem-- no sound actually came out of the card.
In alsamixer, nothing I used previously ever actually made use of the PCM fader-- not
JACK, not Ekiga, not mplayer, not anything that I used. So I had gotten into the habit of
leaving it at zero most of the time. The LineOut fader is the one that actually did work,
so that's what I used.
There was one exception though. Flash audio, for some reason, actually makes use of the
PCM fader.
I brought up the PCM fader, and, lo and behold, no Wine required, the regular proprietary
Adobe Flash for Linux, and regular Iceweasel for Lenny, and I now can watch Jon Stewart at
last and hear what he's saying. Yay.
Thanks to everyone who responded. For future reference: "check your ALSA faders
first" is good advice for anyone with audio trouble in Flash.
-ken
---------------
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 08:58:15PM -1000, david wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:54:32PM -1000, david
wrote:
Hmmm, playing MySpace music from Flogging Molly
<http://www.myspace.com/floggingmolly> right now in FF with Linux Flash
Player 10, no performance problem whatsoever.
Also a video of the Michael Jackson memorial. My only unhappiness about
MJ's death is he didn't take Britney, Madonna and the rest of the
"artists" of crap pop music with him.
Don't have a Facebook login, so can't test that.
Ken Restivo wrote:
Hmm. Still not a-werkin'.
youtube-dl works perfectly for downloading YouTube, but that's not
why I want Flash. I need Flash so I can finally go to people's
goddamned MySpace pages and listen to their music. And see Facebook
and MySpace videos. I've successfully gotten Firefox to run on
Wine with Adobe Flash
(presumably so that I can actually see people's websites, and
listen to their music. Sheesh.). This is on a 32-bit system.
And I use Firefox on
Linux with Adobe Flash to listen to music and
watch videos. Any particular reason why you're using the Windows
version for FF via WINE?
But no sound. WineCfg seems to think that the
only drivers
available are dmix, but I don't have dmix configured, or running,
and I do NOT want dmix at all!
I've never tried to do anything involving sound
with WINE, so
haven't a clue ... And DailyKosTV videos. And to see bands' and
labels' websites, which too often show up as big grey squares on my
browser, with nothing in them: too many of them are Flash-only.
What distro are you using? Debian Lenny here, with not RT kernel.
My recent work installing an audio distro on what is now the
synth/effects box makes me think that Ubuntu is about at the end of its
life as an audio platform. Ubuntu seems to be steering away from
supporting the needs of pro audio. For instance, trying their RT-kernel
on a fresh UbuntuStudio install was sufficient to hose it ...
The Linux version of Flash always seems to be 2-3
versions behind the
Windoze version. And sites too often complain about that.
Hmm, haven't encountered that.
So I was
not going to bother with Flash at all on Linux, just run WINE
instead. I've never seen a "free flash substitute" that actually
worked, so I'm not bothering with those.
I've tried a couple of those. Never got them to work. Some wouldn't even
give me an empty gray area where the Flash video was.
Also, it's nice to have two separate
browsers: one with flash, and
one without. I can thus use firefox.exe as my Flash/MySpace/etc
browser occasionally when I need it.
I suppose that's one good point. But Firefox with NoScript essentially
gives me the same functionality.
10:51 a.m.
New subject: Wine + Firefox + Flash == No Audio with ALSA... SOLVED!
Congrats on solving this :)
The reason why this is so is because either 1) Flash uses oss, hence aoss on
systems that no longer come with the oss stack, or 2) Flash uses alsa but
skips/does not recognize dmix. Wine uses dmix, which has been alsa's default
ever since .15 IIRC; you don't need to configure dmix.
And I'm pretty sure we all want dmix. Without it, we wouldn't be able to
play multiple sounds at once in an alsa-only environment.
From kernel .29 though, the alsa subsystem for the
intel hda (or the other
way around) has changed for the better. Now I have only a
Master, PCM,
Headphone and Speakers.
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