http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE see http://pulseaudio.org/raw-attachment/wiki/KDE/phonon-pulse-broken.pngwhich allows you to select and prioritize PA/Jack/Alsa for different audio usage contexts.... very nice way of doing things. Other desktops might take note. Context: Simon Lewis' comment about KDE working well w/o pulseaudio prompted me to switch to the KDE desktop. I think he'd already suggested I try krusader (wish they hadn't used that name && they better not start using names with multiple k's in em!), which to get fully working, I ended up installing half of KDE (i'd already gotten the first half with setting up kmplayer). His last comment finished the job and now I appear to be using KDE 4.4.2 (from f12) outright. No more issues with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/404340 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/472961 (which also affect fedora and gnome in general).... excerpt from #fedora-kde: (12:14:34 PM) npm: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445543#c20 (12:15:00 PM) npm: thanks... i'll try the startupnotify thing. (12:24:16 PM) rdieter: fyi folks, coling asked if we could review this for accuracy, and clarify which fedora versions apply, http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE (12:27:48 PM) npm: rdieter -- i'll fwd link to http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/ (12:28:07 PM) npm: and thanks for reply to my comment on the bug... (12:28:10 PM) rdieter: what's planetccrma have to do with it? (12:28:29 PM) npm: we have issues w/ pulseaudio and a running argument about it all the time (on LAU too) (12:28:58 PM) npm: planetccrma distributes rpms for audio/video tools and also a rt kernel (12:29:23 PM) rdieter: ah, cool. (12:29:33 PM) npm: a comment on there is actually what sent me to try KDE (12:29:43 PM) rdieter: missed the gear switch away from talking about startup notification. :) (12:30:54 PM) npm: i posted http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2010-May/016881.html (12:31:17 PM) npm: and http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2010-May/016882.htmlme… KDE (12:31:54 PM) npm: "On fc12 x86_64 with KDE 4.4.x and Planet CCRMA core packages installed - a simple remove all packages except pulseaudio-libs and pulseaudio-libs-glib2 was sufficient. On restarting KDE, KDE automatically picked-up that the pulseaudio sound server is unavailable and asks whether the pulseaudio configuration should be permanently removed - the answer is a clear yes!" Niels http://nielsmayer.com