On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 11:08 +0100, Yves Potin wrote: as a fellow Unis & Roach fan, I congratulate you on the whole set, but particularly Breathes which didn't leave my comfort zone at all. the only negative i would offer is that some of the lead synth on Caves and Light... is a bit too "raw" for the overall feel. very nice work and i'm glad to have played a small role in its creation. --p

2007/2/23, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>om>: Paul Davis for president!!! -- visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern könnte, würde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen.

Hi Yves! I rather liked caves2. Reminded me a bit of the Flower Kings, but more psychodelic. I like the pad (sounds sometimes a bit like Mellotron, is it?). Where do you take the drums from? Is t nskit7free? Well as I said: I like the sounds, and the sound of the mix. But for my taste it is a bit to repetetive. STill nice to listen to. Kindest regards Julien -------- Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ======== http://ltsb.sourceforge.net the Linux TextBased Studio guide ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: ======= http://www.juliencoder.de

On 3/1/07, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote: Sure. From now on I'll try to comment on tracks even if I dislike them :) Regards, Dmitry.

Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, machismo arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and the overzealous ego stroking of "I wanna sound like my favorite band, but I don't play well enough..." amateur musicians - what purpose does this list serve? Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio looking/sounding like? Casually glancing over the Linux Audio Conference schedule provides numerous interesting thread topics: Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes on and on... "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. If you wanna learn how squeeze more "thump" outta your woofers or get more "pop" from your tweeters, why not visit a relevant forum - there are many to choose from... I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. I hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. Bombs away... G

On 3/1/07, Greg Wilder <gregwilder(a)gregwilder.com> wrote: You called the lurkers, so here I am. ;-) I don't have any problems with more open subjects in this list. After all, the more digressed subjects, come labeled Off Topic (at least, they should). I've learnt lots of interesting things with this list and think it would be bad for everyone to restrict the matters. If something has to do with linux and audio, it is wellcome here, ain't it? My 0.02 cents... -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto -------------------------------------------

On Thu March 1 2007 1:55 pm, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: At no point did I suggest limiting list topics. Of course it's true that the contributors of any list/forum determine the direction of discussions. I kinda figured that folks were generally happy with the list - why else would they subscribe? But before I terminated my subscription, I wanted to express my general disappointment and I wondered if anyone else had similar feelings. G

Greg Wilder wrote: what a waste of cents, if you can can get beer for free :) I'm torn. some of the Linux-Audio-user end-user discussions would clearly be better suited for a Forum. - maybe even upload the song and have both pointers and web-player...etc. radio-staion? - OTOH enthusiastic musicians are a very important on this list and it would be a shame to move their main attention to web-forums! LAU should stay an open and central point for linux-audio resources of any kind! if there's need that LAD can not accomadete, we should consider a linux-audio-mastering or linux-audio-songs or linux-audio-pro mailing list to refine gifts from the sky! #robin

On 3/1/07, Marc-Olivier Barre <mobarre(a)gmail.com> wrote: I agree - anything of interest to Linux audio users (other than blatant trolls like "$COUNTRY is an apartheid state") should be welcome on this list. Lee

Greg Wilder wrote: Amateurs are ppl too! And who says they don't have a place here as much as anyone??? They have as much right and possibly more purposeful and constructive input than the likes of this topic. This is not "sarcastic" it's offensive and rude AFAIC. I might add, that throughout history, the arts have had some form of "ego" at or close to their nucleus; kept in check, Ego is *not* a dirty word. most talented people possess one. This is where this happens too! I watch the news at night when time permits. I don't have the luxury of flipping through the bits that don't meet my personal taste. If I *pay* for a subscription to something, then I feel I have the right to complain if I did not receive my bill of goods. Not that this is a topic of discussion very often that I recall, while not at the atomic bit level of Linux Audio development, it *IS* relevant in my mind; when mainstream albums get sales and recognition, the technical observers will always take notice to some degree of new things being utilized for good result. This gives Linux Audio better recognition on the whole rather than a particular application, no? Has this not been one of the goals from the gate?? Um...Yuh! Speaking of ego...It's sounds almost as if your perspective and opinion are consensus with regard to your view of this list! Bombs away indeed! Hate to be a bitch here but if you don't like what is here or have a positive contribution (not that this inadvertently perhaps won't be that...) Then unsubscribe, enjoy, and good luck to you!

On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 11:52 -0500, Greg Wilder wrote: To provide information about *any* aspect of audio on Linux. These are good topics too. I think you'll find that most of those topics are discussed on the Linux audio developers mailing list since most of the people giving the presentations at LAC are Linux audio developers. Linux audio users come in a number of sizes and shapes. Some are rank amateurs and some are accomplished professionals. Pretty much any Linux audio related topic is acceptable here. And, yes, that does include getting more "thump" out of your woofers if you happen to be using Linux to run them. Lots of larger than tiny bits of useful information show up here. I've both provided and received some of them. I tend to check out a topic and, if I'm not interested, those go in the dumper. If I'm interested I'll check out the rest of the posts. I'm personally pretty happy with what I'm getting from the list as it is - and I've been on it for a few years ;-) -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69 "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chardonnay in one hand, chocolate in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride'"

On Thursday 01 March 2007 11:52, Greg Wilder wrote: Personally, I'm subscribed to the list to see announcements of promising tools I would otherwise have never heard of.... and to keep an easily searchable local archive for when I do foolish things like try to get low latency, JACK, ALSA and Timidity all working together. That has proved invaluable to me in the past. In my experience, lists organically turn into the sum of the wishes of the participants.... and when those wishes come into conflict, they cancel each other out and you're left with noise. I actually have no idea what you're even talking about here, but I retrieve web pages programmatically all the time in my non-audio-related coding. Is this a nice way of asking how to record webcasts or something? Can't speak for anyone else, but I have no interest in this topic whatsoever (or anything else involving live performance or improv.) These sound more like something I would talk about on a game developer's list, myself. While I have no interest in that topic either, not every major-label artist or producer with a computer uses Protools and it's interesting to talk about what could be done to make our tools more acceptable to people not on this list. In any case, why not just start talking about what's of interest to you? If no one responds after a number of posts over a number of weeks, then you'll know you're barking up the wrong tree. If they do, then congratulations, you've improved the list AND moved it in a direction more interesting to yourself. Rob

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 03:09:53AM +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote: Well-said. I'm in it for (1) the music, (2) the freedom, and (3) the nerd-wankery. Due to my financial situation, I could not have been able to pursue (1) or (3) if others hadn't made (2) happen, and I am especially grateful to everyone who cares about (2). I also care about it for ideological and political reasons as well as practical reasons too. I think of this list as kind of like the "Slashdot" of Linux Audio. Many of the flamewars and rants are very similar-- if not identical-- to those that have occured on general-purpose FOSS forums like /. et al., for nearly a decade, and that's OK with me. As someone else mentioned: this phenomenon is the nature of general-purpose lists which represent the intersection (collision?) of many different groups of people with different interests, biases, backgrounds, and perspectives. I used to live in Noo Yawk. It's noisy there too. I wouldn't want to live there anymore, but it is always stimulating to visit-- the noise certainly hasn't diminished its value. The rants and flamewars are a distraction and often a waste of time, but sometimes the distraction is welcome. Sometimes I enjoy reading arguments and arguing. The real value of this list is that it is such a mixed bag. In order of value, this is what I get from this list: A) Announcements and "passing mention" of software that is either new or new to me. I never would have heard of the new l2dynparam version of zyn, or of jack_capture, or of jackdmp, or of tons of other stuff, without seeing it float by on this list. B) A place to discuss or ask about technologies/programs that either don't have their own mailing list, or transcend the narrow focus of any existing list. A good example is zyn above, or the recent discussion of AMS vs. OM/Ingen, or of the merits/limitations of Rosegarden vs. Muse, etc. These discussions need a general audience. C) I don't check lam.fugal.net often enough, so I very much enjoy the "Hey, I just wrote this, what do you guys think?" posts. Always fun to hear new music and be part of the cameraderie with fellow musician-composer-nerds. And to read the comments and feedback. I can't imagine that happening on any other list. D) The aforementioned distraction-value. I'm procrastinating right now by reading and responding to this thread. Sometimes the distraction is fun. - -ken