2 Nov
2015
2 Nov
'15
11:26 a.m.
Greetings,
https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/the-quiet-moon
Harmony study qua meditation.
Enjoy !
Best,
dp
2 Nov
2 Nov
2:38 p.m.
Hey hey Dave,
did you intentionally not enable the download option this time? That's quite
fine and no start on the typical arguments about free music, but I'm always
interested in your new music. :)
Ta-ta
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter: http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub: https://github.com/fsilvain
2:50 p.m.
On 11/02/2015 09:38 AM, F. Silvain wrote:
Hey hey Dave,
did you intentionally not enable the download option this time? That's
quite fine and no start on the typical arguments about free music, but
I'm always interested in your new music. :)
Thanks for the heads-up, but I checked the page and the Download option
is enabled. Let me know if it isn't working for you, I'll send you a
FLAC'd file if you like.
Best,
dp
3:39 p.m.
On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 06:26:38 -0500
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi,
Nice track.
I looked up the web page for Hive and ACE. A few questions if
you don't mind. Are you using them in Linux ? Windows EXE install via
Wine ? Do they interface at all with Ardour ? This track has slow
moving notes. If played as fast staccato, do these synths have any
latency since they run in Wine - does Wine have any special
setup/configuration ?
Cheers.
3:53 p.m.
On 11/02/2015 10:39 AM, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
Nice track.
Thank you !
I looked up the web page for Hive and ACE. A few
questions if
you don't mind. Are you using them in Linux ? Windows EXE install via
Wine ?
Officially-approved Linux versions have been available for a while. See
this thread on KVR for the details :
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=424953
No Wine needed or used.
To be clear, these are commercial/proprietary products, not open-source.
Do they interface at all with Ardour ?
Yes, last time I checked they worked fine in Ardour.
This track has slow
moving notes. If played as fast staccato, do these synths have any
latency since they run in Wine - does Wine have any special
setup/configuration ?
Can't say, I've never run the Windows versions in Wine or anywhere else.
Tempo will affect anything locked to the host tempo, e.g. LFO or delay
time, which means that tempo ramps can cause unexpected/unwanted things
to happen to the sounds.
Best,
dp
5:07 p.m.
Hey hey,
thanks Dave, you're a jewel. I still can't download, but perhaps they have a
synchronisation issue. Let's give it another day. If it isn't solved by then,
I'll get back to your kind offer. :)
Ta-ta
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter: http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub: https://github.com/fsilvain
5:31 p.m.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:06:58 +0100 (CET)
"F. Silvain" <silvain(a)freeshell.de> wrote:
thanks Dave, you're a jewel. I still can't
download, but perhaps they
have a synchronisation issue. Let's give it another day. If it isn't
solved by then, I'll get back to your kind offer. :)
FWIW, I just downloaded it by pressing the download button. Linux,
Firefox 41.0.1.
Cheers.
5:32 p.m.
On 11/02/2015 12:06 PM, F. Silvain wrote:
thanks Dave, you're a jewel. I still can't download, but perhaps they
have a synchronisation issue. Let's give it another day. If it isn't
solved by then, I'll get back to your kind offer.
Meanwhile, for those who can't wait :
http://linux-sound.org/audio/TheQuietMoon.flac
Best,
dp
6:21 p.m.
On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 10:53:12 -0500
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Do they interface at all with Ardour ?
Yes, last time I checked they worked fine in Ardour.
I created a MIDI track with Hive specified. Pressing the online
keyboard gives sound, but no dice regarding an external MIDI keyboard.
qjackctl has no Hive in sight (using 'a2j_control ehw start') so the
only MIDI input routing is from Ardour where this MIDI track shows the
USB ProKeys 88 all right, which is selected as input. Still, no
triggering of Hive from the external keyboard.
6:43 p.m.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:21:35 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
I created a MIDI track with Hive specified. Pressing
the online
keyboard gives sound, but no dice regarding an external MIDI keyboard.
qjackctl has no Hive in sight (using 'a2j_control ehw start') so the
only MIDI input routing is from Ardour where this MIDI track shows the
USB ProKeys 88 all right, which is selected as input. Still, no
triggering of Hive from the external keyboard.
Ardour's MIDI activity window shows the ProKeys 88 keyboard activity
for that MIDI track all right, but none of those keys gets to the
track's Hive VST plugin synth. Hmmmm....
6:58 p.m.
Am 02.11.2015 um 19:21 schrieb jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com:
I created a MIDI track with Hive specified. Pressing
the online
keyboard gives sound, but no dice regarding an external MIDI keyboard.
Works fine in Carla here, using a Novation Remote SL as MIDI input or
VMPK via a2jmidid (including controller changes, but program changes do
not work apparently).
Chris
8:02 p.m.
Dave Phillips, Nov 2 2015:
...
Meanwhile, for those who can't wait :
http://linux-sound.org/audio/TheQuietMoon.flac
OK, I counted myself amongst the
impatient, since you provided relief. :) I love it. It's sweet and somehow inspired a
feeling of being hidden. Interesting combination of the soft, closed lead and the wide
pad. It was an interesting experience.
...
Ta-ta
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter: http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub: https://github.com/fsilvain
9:04 p.m.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:58:43 +0100
Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> wrote:
Am 02.11.2015 um 19:21 schrieb jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com:
I wonder if I should look into Carla. What are the advantages of using
it, apart when a plugin crashes, Ardour will not crash ? Can
the Carla plugin automation (if any) be used in conjunction with
Ardour ?
I created a MIDI track with Hive specified.
Pressing the online
keyboard gives sound, but no dice regarding an external MIDI
keyboard.
Works fine in Carla here, using a Novation Remote SL as MIDI input or
VMPK via a2jmidid (including controller changes, but program changes
do not work apparently).
9:59 p.m.
Am 02.11.2015 um 22:04 schrieb jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com:
I wonder if I should look into Carla.
Only you can answer that. But it's free software, so it will only cost
you your time. ;) But, honestly, just install it (be sure to use
2.0-beta4), try it out and you will, I think, recognize quickly, that it
is an amazing tool and makes many things easier when working with
plugins, from simple to complex setups.
What are the advantages of using
it, apart when a plugin crashes, Ardour will not crash ? Can
the Carla plugin automation (if any) be used in conjunction with
Ardour ?
Carla can be used in many fashions. I use it mainly in its VST plugin
form as a bridge to load different plugin formats in Tracktion 6, since
Tracktion does not directly support LV2 plugins and Linux VST support is
not very stable. But you can also use it as a standalone host e.g. for
your favourite synth plugin, as a complex effects rack, etc.
Now Carla is unfortunately not by any means a mature project, IMHO. It
still crashes quite often, depending on which plugins you use with it,
and there are still some display issues with some plugins and LV2
support leaves some features to be desired (namely LV2 preset support).
On the other hand, it gets better every month and falkTX is very
responsive wrt bug reports.
Chris
11:31 p.m.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:58:43 +0100
Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> wrote:
Only you can answer that. But it's free software,
so it will only cost
you your time. ;) But, honestly, just install it (be sure to use
2.0-beta4), try it out and you will, I think, recognize quickly, that
it is an amazing tool and makes many things easier when working with
plugins, from simple to complex setups.
It reports a compile error about re-addressing R_X86_64_32S, sayign I
should use the -fPIC flag. So I'm looking now at where to add the -fPIC
compile flag.
11:39 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
Am 03.11.2015 um 00:31 schrieb jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com:
It reports a compile error about re-addressing
R_X86_64_32S, sayign I
should use the -fPIC flag. So I'm looking now at where to add the -fPIC
compile flag.
What distro are you on? I'm on Arch and use the carla-git AUR package,
which compiles fine here. The compilation commands are straightforward,
as you can see here:
https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=carla-git
But then Arch always has the latest dependencies. If you're on a
debian-based distro, you can try the KXStudio package repos:
http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories
Chris
11:41 p.m.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:31:44 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:58:43 +0100
Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> wrote:
Carla bug tracker Linkage error #223 says it is fixed. It is not. Not
for the current git tree.
https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues/223
This is not my day in software !
Only you can answer that. But it's free
software, so it will only
cost you your time. ;) But, honestly, just install it (be sure to
use 2.0-beta4), try it out and you will, I think, recognize
quickly, that it is an amazing tool and makes many things easier
when working with plugins, from simple to complex setups.
It reports a compile error about re-addressing R_X86_64_32S, sayign I
should use the -fPIC flag. So I'm looking now at where to add the
-fPIC compile flag.
11:59 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:38:54 +0100
Christopher Arndt <chris(a)chrisarndt.de> wrote:
Am 03.11.2015 um 00:31 schrieb jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com:
Well I got the precompiled 64 bits Carla running, although it will not
recognize Hive.64.so as a file it can load (the file is greyed out).
I do not know if it exists, a situation in which one tries out a new
VST synth, works well, forks $150 for it, gets a license, and starts to
create stuff. All within the same day. I do not think it is possible,
and what fills that time instead ? Not creating music, but trying to
make stuff working. Argh. :)
It reports a compile error about re-addressing
R_X86_64_32S, sayign
I should use the -fPIC flag. So I'm looking now at where to add the
-fPIC compile flag.
What distro are you on? I'm on Arch and use the carla-git AUR package,
which compiles fine here. The compilation commands are
straightforward, as you can see here:
3 Nov
3 Nov
12:06 a.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:59:28 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
Well I got the precompiled 64 bits Carla running,
although it will not
recognize Hive.64.so as a file it can load (the file is greyed out).
I added the path, Carla did not see it, I restarted Carla, still no go,
so I then used the scan function, specified VST3 also just in case, and
Carla found it. Double clicking on Hive yields an extremely steady
result: 'Aborted' and Carla goes away.
7:34 a.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On 03-11-2015 01:06, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:59:28 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
This has been reported, https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues/302.
I don't really know what's going on, specially considering that
carla-single works fine. ie:
|$ carla-single vst ~/.vst/u-he/Hive.64.so
|Under investigation..
Well I got the precompiled 64 bits Carla running,
although it will not
recognize Hive.64.so as a file it can load (the file is greyed out).
I added the
path, Carla did not see it, I restarted Carla, still no go,
so I then used the scan function, specified VST3 also just in case, and
Carla found it. Double clicking on Hive yields an extremely steady
result: 'Aborted' and Carla goes away.
1:26 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:34:09 +0100
Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This has been reported,
https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues/302.
I don't really know what's going on, specially considering that
carla-single works fine. ie:
|$ carla-single vst ~/.vst/u-he/Hive.64.so
Is it possible to try 'carla-single' ? It is not provided in
Carla-2.0beta4-linux64 and compiling Carla from git has the
R_X86_64_32S error.
|Under investigation..
Considering the number of dependencies, and differences with some of
them, might not be so easy if the problem is exterior to Carla.
1:58 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On 03.11.2015 14:26, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:34:09 +0100
Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'll make a new release of Carla next month.
I keep the packages of the kxstudio repositories updated though (called
carla-git).
But what exactly is that linker error?
'-fPIC' is used in carla code already, so the issue must be somewhere else..
This has been reported,
https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues/302.
I don't really know what's going on, specially considering that
carla-single works fine. ie:
|$ carla-single vst ~/.vst/u-he/Hive.64.so
Is it possible to try
'carla-single' ? It is not provided in
Carla-2.0beta4-linux64 and compiling Carla from git has the
R_X86_64_32S error.
2:55 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:58:18 +0100
Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
But what exactly is that linker error?
'-fPIC' is used in carla code already, so the issue must be somewhere
else..
Yes, it's in ../source/Makefile:
ifneq ($(WIN32),true)
# not needed for Windows
BASE_FLAGS += -fPIC -DPIC
endif
The error is:
Linking libcarla_standalone2.so
/usr/bin/ld:
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/../../../../lib/liblo.a(liblo_la-address.o):
réadressage de R_X86_64_32S en vertu de «_.rodata_» ne peut être
utilisé lors de la création d'un objet partagé; recompilez avec -fPIC
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/../../../../lib/liblo.a: error
adding symbols: Mauvaise valeur
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
Eg.:
The re-addressing of R_X86_64_32S, because of .rodata, cannot be used in
the creation of a shared object, please recompile with -fPIC. ... Wrong
value.
2:58 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:55:50 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
The re-addressing of R_X86_64_32S, because of .rodata,
cannot be used
in the creation of a shared object, please recompile with -fPIC. ...
Wrong value.
Forgot to mention:
gcc-4.8
glibc 2.19-0ubuntu6.6
3:04 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On 03.11.2015 15:58, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:55:50 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
I need more info than that. (full build log please)
But this is probably caused by some external library, like liblo or
fluidsynth.
The re-addressing of R_X86_64_32S, because of
.rodata, cannot be used
in the creation of a shared object, please recompile with -fPIC. ...
Wrong value.
Forgot to mention:
gcc-4.8
glibc 2.19-0ubuntu6.6 
3:05 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:58:18 +0100
Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
But what exactly is that linker error?
'-fPIC' is used in carla code already, so the issue must be somewhere
else..
Hi,
This error may appear when trying to link a dynamic library against a
static library. Make sure that all libraries used by Carla (and
recursively, their dependencies) are available as shared libraries for
the right architecture. Problem may happen when mixing 32 bits and 64
bits libraries too.
-a.
3:12 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:04:18 +0100
Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 03.11.2015 15:58, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
liblo7 and libfluidsynth1 are installe don this system in both i386 and
x86_64 versions.
(build log sent to you)
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:55:50 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
I need more info than that. (full build log please)
But this is probably caused by some external library, like liblo or
fluidsynth. The re-addressing of R_X86_64_32S, because of
.rodata, cannot be
used in the creation of a shared object, please recompile with
-fPIC. ... Wrong value.
Forgot to mention:
gcc-4.8
glibc 2.19-0ubuntu6.6
3:15 p.m.
New subject: Carla (Was: The Quiet Moon)
On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:04:18 +0100
Filipe Coelho <falktx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
But this is probably caused by some external library,
like liblo or
fluidsynth.
And here are the versions installed on this Linux Mint system:
liblo7:amd64 0.28-3
liblo7:i386 0.28-3
libfluidsynth1:amd64 1.1.6-2
libfluidsynth1:i386 1.1.6-2
4 Nov
4 Nov
1 p.m.
New subject: [SOLVED] Re: The Quiet Moon
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:41:47 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
Carla bug tracker Linkage error #223 says it is fixed.
It is not.
Not for the current git tree.
When doing a search in mailing lists in happens from time to time that
a thread is found that describes exactly what we want, only to be
concluded by the guy saying 'OK, got it fixed' w/o any explanation.
To conclude this thread then, the purpose, which was to use carla as a
VST host in order to use some u-he plugin synths, was achieved in the
following way, thanks to Filipe for help.
First of all the -fPIC bug is real, but not in carla. Rather it was in
liblo. For some reason the distro's package (Linux Mint, so that is
Ubuntu) was not seemingly compiled with that option.
Then, this option which provided OSC did not matter for my use. Carla
(from git repo) was compiled with:
make HAVE_LIBLO=false
The 'make install' that followed the successful compile installed
'carla-single' which is what I use to load the synths:
% cd ~/.u-he/<plugin name>
% carla-single vst ./<plugin name>.64.so
This works fine. Using 'a2j_control ehw start' the plugin synth MIDI
jack is shown in qjackctl. Its audio jacks are also shown in the audio
section.
After trying some of the u-he synths I was amazed by Diva and ACE
because of the range of expression and the warmth of their sounds.
From the numerous presets, they can be upfront if needed be but they can
also be subtle and blend in while retaining a richness of sound. It
seems that at least Diva is using pspice simulations of hardware
circuitry. At times I can hear a crackle when playing a lot of complex
notes at the same time in optimal ('divine') mode, so I adjust the CPU
setting to lower for this machine and the sounds are still very fine.
I liked them so much that I got the licenses.
2:07 p.m.
New subject: [SOLVED] Re: The Quiet Moon
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:00:06 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:41:47 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
"Who were you, DenverCoder9? What did you see?!"
- https://xkcd.com/979/
--
======================================================================
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Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa
Carla bug tracker Linkage error #223 says it is
fixed. It is not.
Not for the current git tree.
When doing a search in mailing lists in happens from time to time that
a thread is found that describes exactly what we want, only to be
concluded by the guy saying 'OK, got it fixed' w/o any explanation. 
9:03 p.m.
On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 06:26:38 -0500
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Greetings,
https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/the-quiet-moon
Harmony study qua meditation.
Enjoy !
Best,
dp
Finally had time to settle down and listen to this. A very full sound with so
little!
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
9:16 p.m.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:03:23 +0000
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
Finally had time to settle down and listen to this. A
very full sound
with so little!
I'd rather say 'with so much' as these synths do pack quite a lot in a
very artistic expressive way.
Cheers.
11:54 p.m.
New subject: [SOLVED] Re: The Quiet Moon
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:07:20 -0500
Joe Hartley <jh(a)brainiac.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:00:06 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
> When doing a search in mailing lists in happens
from time to time
> that a thread is found that describes exactly what we want, only to
> be concluded by the guy saying 'OK, got it fixed' w/o any
> explanation.
"Who were you, DenverCoder9? What did you
see?!"
- https://xkcd.com/979/
He he :)
"Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. -
FZappa"
Hi! I'm Norm.
7 Nov
7 Nov
1:33 p.m.
New subject: [SOLVED] Re: The Quiet Moon (plugin synth issue)
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:21:35 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
I created a MIDI track with Hive specified. Pressing
the online
keyboard gives sound, but no dice regarding an external MIDI keyboard.
qjackctl has no Hive in sight (using 'a2j_control ehw start') so the
only MIDI input routing is from Ardour where this MIDI track shows the
USB ProKeys 88 all right, which is selected as input. Still, no
triggering of Hive from the external keyboard.
No need to be too reserved. Something like 'have you at least thought
of pressing the MIDI track's input button ?' would have made it :)
Ardour Truths For Grasshopper: You Have to Press the Input Button of
the MIDI Track For Any Note To Reach The Plugin Synthesizer.
Now all plugin synths have sound in Ardour. It was actually a question
of MIDI notes not reaching the synth, but not a bug. At least of the
technical kind. All knobs of the Launchkey Mini can be quickly
assigned to a plugin synth also, of course. Which is not the case, for
some reason, when launching a same synth using 'carla-single vst'. But
that's something else to pursue.
Cheers.
7:27 p.m.
New subject: [SOLVED] Re: The Quiet Moon (plugin synth issue)
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 08:33:35 -0500
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
Ardour Truths For Grasshopper: You Have to Press the
Input Button of
the MIDI Track For Any Note To Reach The Plugin Synthesizer.
That's wrong. MIDI notes will reach the synth plugin, but until the
input button of the track is pressed, nothing will be heard, giving the
impression that the notes are not reaching it (based on the impression
that the problem with the Redux plugin has made)
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