From ico at vt.edu  Tue Jul  1 11:00:10 2008
From: ico at vt.edu (Ivica Ico Bukvic)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:00:10 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Host 128.173.232.121 is unreachable via http or smtp ports
In-Reply-To: <1214917656.3182.13.camel@kolea.hosag.com>
References: <1214917656.3182.13.camel@kolea.hosag.com>
Message-ID: <399F45670E6046AB909FEB432D256FAE@icobadassmbp>

Thanks Ron for the info, we are already aware of this issue and are working
on it as fast as we can. As unlikely as it sounds, it appears we've had a
major thunderstorm that has knocked out several buildings on campus,
including the building hosting our server. Unfortunately, I've been out of
the country and unaware of this occurrence until it was brought to my
attention yesterday. Let me say that this is a very unusual and very much
unexpected occurrence. That being said, based on this unfortunate
development we will look to invest into better UPS asap to minimize any
potential downtime in the future.

As of 4:58PM the server should be back up and running.

Best wishes,

Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Composition, Music Technology, CCTAD
CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy)
Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
Virginia Tech
Dept. of Music - 0240
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
(540) 231-5034 (fax)
ico at vt.edu
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Fox [mailto:rfox at aloha.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:08 AM
> To: ico at vt.edu
> Subject: Host 128.173.232.121 is unreachable via http or smtp ports
> 
> Aloha Dr. Bukvic,
> 
> I've been trying to reach the www.linuxaudio.org and
> lists.linuxaudio.org websites for a few hours without success.  I'm
> sending this just in case you aren't aware of the situation.
> 
> Mahalo,
> Ron Fox



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Tue Jul  1 11:02:19 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:02:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <1214923012.3809.6.camel@linux>
References: <mailman.5.1214236802.21262.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0806270315080.9851@ttleush>
	<1214923012.3809.6.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807011658330.5259@ttleush>


Great!

Mind if I include something like

"
#!/bin/bash
#script for using a graphical dialog to jack_capture. Written by Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen
while true do Xdialog --stdout --yesno "PRESS YES TO START REC"  10 40
   case "$?" in
     0) jack_capture $@ | Xdialog --stdout --msgbox " RECORDING IN PROGRESS\n PRESS OK TO STOP REC " 10 40
     1) Xdialog --msgbox "Ok no recording started" 10 40
   esac
done
"

in jack_capture as jack_capture_gui?




On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> Hi and thanks for your help, it was more than useful
>
> I came up with this solution as it is a non Linux geek which shall start
> and stop the record-process
>
>>> SCRIPT<<
> #!/bin/sh
> #script for using a graphical dialog to jack_capture
> cd /home/sem/liverecording
> while true
> do
> Xdialog --stdout --yesno "PRESS YES TO START REC"  10 40
> case "$?" in
> 0)
> jack_capture -c 16 -p system:capture* | Xdialog --stdout --msgbox " RECORDING IN PROGRESS\n PRESS OK TO STOP REC " 10 40
> ;;
> 1)
> Xdialog --msgbox "Ok no recording started" 10 40
> ;;
> esac
> done
>
> <<SCRIPT>>
>
> I then made two icons on the desktop, one to start the script and one to kill it by killing jackd.
>
> I admit it's not that pretty,  but it works and I hope it'll do the job saturday.
>
>
> Thanks again
>
> /Sv-e
> fre, 27 06 2008 kl. 03:21 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
>>>
>>> Hey
>>>
>>> What would you bee using if you should record a large music file in
>>> let's say 14-16 tracks ? Next month my band have a live-gig I want to
>>> record, and I am on the brink of letting my old and heavy ADAT tape
>>> machines be left back, and only bring my notebook and my multiface amd
>>> my mic-preamps for recording.
>>>
>>
>> jack_capture:
>>
>> jack_capture --port system:capture*
>>
>> Or if you only want to record the 14 first inputs:
>>
>> jack_capture -c 14 --port system:capture*
>>
>>
>>> Is it stable and secure to record in Ardour in one go ? I could raise
>>> latency since we're not using any kind of live monitoring from the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>
>> Ardour is probably stable and secure enough, but
>> jack_capture is made only for recording so the
>> chance of unwanted surprises with jack_capture
>> might be theoretically smaller. No, seriously,
>> both of them should work fine, but jack_capture
>> is simpler to use.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>

From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Tue Jul  1 10:36:52 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:36:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806270315080.9851@ttleush>
References: <mailman.5.1214236802.21262.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0806270315080.9851@ttleush>
Message-ID: <1214923012.3809.6.camel@linux>

Hi and thanks for your help, it was more than useful

I came up with this solution as it is a non Linux geek which shall start
and stop the record-process

>>SCRIPT<<
#!/bin/sh
#script for using a graphical dialog to jack_capture
cd /home/sem/liverecording
while true
do
Xdialog --stdout --yesno "PRESS YES TO START REC"  10 40
case "$?" in
0)
jack_capture -c 16 -p system:capture* | Xdialog --stdout --msgbox " RECORDING IN PROGRESS\n PRESS OK TO STOP REC " 10 40
;;
1)
Xdialog --msgbox "Ok no recording started" 10 40
;;
esac
done

<<SCRIPT>>

I then made two icons on the desktop, one to start the script and one to kill it by killing jackd.

I admit it's not that pretty,  but it works and I hope it'll do the job saturday.


Thanks again

/Sv-e
fre, 27 06 2008 kl. 03:21 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> >
> > Hey
> >
> > What would you bee using if you should record a large music file in
> > let's say 14-16 tracks ? Next month my band have a live-gig I want to
> > record, and I am on the brink of letting my old and heavy ADAT tape
> > machines be left back, and only bring my notebook and my multiface amd
> > my mic-preamps for recording.
> >
> 
> jack_capture:
> 
> jack_capture --port system:capture*
> 
> Or if you only want to record the 14 first inputs:
> 
> jack_capture -c 14 --port system:capture*
> 
> 
> > Is it stable and secure to record in Ardour in one go ? I could raise
> > latency since we're not using any kind of live monitoring from the
> > computer.
> >
> 
> Ardour is probably stable and secure enough, but
> jack_capture is made only for recording so the
> chance of unwanted surprises with jack_capture
> might be theoretically smaller. No, seriously,
> both of them should work fine, but jack_capture
> is simpler to use.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Tue Jul  1 11:37:24 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:37:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807011658330.5259@ttleush>
References: <mailman.5.1214236802.21262.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0806270315080.9851@ttleush>
	<1214923012.3809.6.camel@linux>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807011658330.5259@ttleush>
Message-ID: <1214926644.3809.10.camel@linux>

Use what ever you like, but then it got to have som error chatcher
regarding if Xdialog is installed, and if jackd ist running, and maybe
something more, I can get that fixed but not this week, it's all booked
up :(


/Sv-e
tir, 01 07 2008 kl. 17:02 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> Great!
> 
> Mind if I include something like
> 
> "
> #!/bin/bash
> #script for using a graphical dialog to jack_capture. Written by Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen
> while true do Xdialog --stdout --yesno "PRESS YES TO START REC"  10 40
>    case "$?" in
>      0) jack_capture $@ | Xdialog --stdout --msgbox " RECORDING IN PROGRESS\n PRESS OK TO STOP REC " 10 40
>      1) Xdialog --msgbox "Ok no recording started" 10 40
>    esac
> done
> "
> 
> in jack_capture as jack_capture_gui?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> 
> > Hi and thanks for your help, it was more than useful
> >
> > I came up with this solution as it is a non Linux geek which shall start
> > and stop the record-process
> >
> >>> SCRIPT<<
> > #!/bin/sh
> > #script for using a graphical dialog to jack_capture
> > cd /home/sem/liverecording
> > while true
> > do
> > Xdialog --stdout --yesno "PRESS YES TO START REC"  10 40
> > case "$?" in
> > 0)
> > jack_capture -c 16 -p system:capture* | Xdialog --stdout --msgbox " RECORDING IN PROGRESS\n PRESS OK TO STOP REC " 10 40
> > ;;
> > 1)
> > Xdialog --msgbox "Ok no recording started" 10 40
> > ;;
> > esac
> > done
> >
> > <<SCRIPT>>
> >
> > I then made two icons on the desktop, one to start the script and one to kill it by killing jackd.
> >
> > I admit it's not that pretty,  but it works and I hope it'll do the job saturday.
> >
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> > /Sv-e
> > fre, 27 06 2008 kl. 03:21 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> >> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> >>>
> >>> Hey
> >>>
> >>> What would you bee using if you should record a large music file in
> >>> let's say 14-16 tracks ? Next month my band have a live-gig I want to
> >>> record, and I am on the brink of letting my old and heavy ADAT tape
> >>> machines be left back, and only bring my notebook and my multiface amd
> >>> my mic-preamps for recording.
> >>>
> >>
> >> jack_capture:
> >>
> >> jack_capture --port system:capture*
> >>
> >> Or if you only want to record the 14 first inputs:
> >>
> >> jack_capture -c 14 --port system:capture*
> >>
> >>
> >>> Is it stable and secure to record in Ardour in one go ? I could raise
> >>> latency since we're not using any kind of live monitoring from the
> >>> computer.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Ardour is probably stable and secure enough, but
> >> jack_capture is made only for recording so the
> >> chance of unwanted surprises with jack_capture
> >> might be theoretically smaller. No, seriously,
> >> both of them should work fine, but jack_capture
> >> is simpler to use.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >
> >



From lars.luthman at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 04:45:46 2008
From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:45:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Problems with LV2 plugins
In-Reply-To: <1214489232.4589.14.camel@casa>
References: <1214489232.4589.14.camel@casa>
Message-ID: <1214901946.4172.2.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 16:07 +0200, Pau Arum? Alb? wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to have LV2 plugins and hosts work but I'm having problems.
> The involved packags (compiled from tarballs) : 
> - slv2-0.4.5 (because latest 0.5.0 caused zynjacku host to not compile)
> - ll-plugins-0.2.0
> - lash-0.5.4
> - lv2core-2.0
> - zyn-1
> - zynjacku-1
> - lv2dynparam1-1
> 
> Running in a Ubuntu 08.04 Linux 2.6.24-19
> 
> The problem is that I can't load any ll-plugin with any host (zynjacku
> or lv2_jack_host), while zyn-1 does work (only in zynjacku since it
> needs specific extensions)
> 
> I believe that the clue to the problem is shown in lv2_inspect result
> below. Any idea??

Earlier versions of SLV2 had a bug that made it only accept LV2 plugins
where the :binary triple is in the manifest file, and all LV2 bundles in
the ll-plugins package have that triple in a separate file. I don't know
if it has been fixed in 0.5, but it definitely has in SVN.


--ll
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From julien at c-lab.de  Tue Jul  1 12:56:50 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:56:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Editing sound via shell
In-Reply-To: <e5c6ecab0806281837t23d2c2c4ke2a6bb893cb6a61b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5c6ecab0806281837t23d2c2c4ke2a6bb893cb6a61b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807011855110.11145@arima>

Hi!
   Ecasound can do a lot of wat you need. Sox may be nice for a few things. For 
resampling I'd stick to the sndfile-resample tool.
   For the more elobarte things csound might do the trick. You can also script 
it.
   For stretching and pitch-shifting there's also soundtouch/soundstretch.
   HTH.
   Kindest regards
          Julien

--------
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======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Tue Jul  1 13:48:43 2008
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:48:43 -0700
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <4868A4EF.9080309@gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 30 June 2008 at 11:18, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm searching for an (second hand) cheap bassguitar. Do you have 
> suggestions for me? Which brands are 'good' in a low price class?
> Where should I be alert for when buying one?
> What about a amplifier? Do I need one, or can I  play it using Linux?

With the economy in the toilet, you can probably pick up a bass at a 
pawn shop or on Craig's list.  G'luck....

 
--
Kevin




From reuben.m at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 13:48:05 2008
From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:48:05 -0500
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
Message-ID: <200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>

Back on Sunday 29 June 2008, Folderol was like:
> This is a very rich, multi-layered sweeping synth sound <cough>
>
> I hope you like it!
>
> P.S.
>
> You know, I do think I'm just about beginning to understand how Zyn
> works :)

I don't think the default patches that come with Zyn give a very good 
impression of what it is capable of. I find that I'm often starting with a 
default patch that sound like it's kinda got the right idea, but not there 
yet and usually end up with some nice patches. Examples attached.

-Reuben
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From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Tue Jul  1 13:52:29 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:52:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
Message-ID: <1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux>

What about this one:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_hbp120bk_ebass.htm
 It's fairly cheep
/Sv-e
tir, 01 07 2008 kl. 10:48 -0700, skrev Kevin Cosgrove:
> On 30 June 2008 at 11:18, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm searching for an (second hand) cheap bassguitar. Do you have 
> > suggestions for me? Which brands are 'good' in a low price class?
> > Where should I be alert for when buying one?
> > What about a amplifier? Do I need one, or can I  play it using Linux?
> 
> With the economy in the toilet, you can probably pick up a bass at a 
> pawn shop or on Craig's list.  G'luck....
> 
>  
> --
> Kevin
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 15:11:41 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:11:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>

Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> What about this one:
>
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_hbp120bk_ebass.htm
>  It's fairly cheep
> /Sv-e
> tir, 01 07 2008 kl. 10:48 -0700, skrev Kevin Cosgrove:
>   
Wow didn't find it that cheap till now, but what about the quality and 
the sound?

I like a Jazz sound...

What about this one?
http://www.westerhaven.nl/shop/produktinfo.php?vjaID=20080630174035&prodID=000000000008953

And what about the brand Crafter?
http://www.westerhaven.nl/shop/produktinfo.php?vjaID=20080701210017&prodID=000000000005029

Squier?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_squier_std_jazz_bass_antiqueburst.htm

Dean?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/dean_guitars_edge_09_m.htm

Cort?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/cort_action_bass_2.htm

Yamaha?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_rbx_375_3.htm


But I'm a guitarist and doubting about how much money I have for it... 
but I can search for a second hand one if I know which ones are good...

Thanks in advance,


From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Tue Jul  1 15:50:14 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:50:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux>  <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux>

If you like jazz wouldn't it be something like this you should by:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_aeb8ebk.htm

If you got too many special whishes the cheap market will shrink fast !

tir, 01 07 2008 kl. 21:11 +0200, skrev schoappied:
> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> > What about this one:
> >
> > http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_hbp120bk_ebass.htm
> >  It's fairly cheep
> > /Sv-e
> > tir, 01 07 2008 kl. 10:48 -0700, skrev Kevin Cosgrove:
> >   
> Wow didn't find it that cheap till now, but what about the quality and 
> the sound?
> 
> I like a Jazz sound...
> 
> What about this one?
> http://www.westerhaven.nl/shop/produktinfo.php?vjaID=20080630174035&prodID=000000000008953
> 
> And what about the brand Crafter?
> http://www.westerhaven.nl/shop/produktinfo.php?vjaID=20080701210017&prodID=000000000005029
> 
> Squier?
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_squier_std_jazz_bass_antiqueburst.htm
> 
> Dean?
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/dean_guitars_edge_09_m.htm
> 
> Cort?
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/cort_action_bass_2.htm
> 
> Yamaha?
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_rbx_375_3.htm
> 
> 
> But I'm a guitarist and doubting about how much money I have for it... 
> but I can search for a second hand one if I know which ones are good...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From marco at marcochapeau.org  Tue Jul  1 16:43:17 2008
From: marco at marcochapeau.org (MarcOChapeau)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:43:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Host 128.173.232.121 is unreachable via http or smtp ports
In-Reply-To: <399F45670E6046AB909FEB432D256FAE@icobadassmbp>
References: <1214917656.3182.13.camel@kolea.hosag.com>
	<399F45670E6046AB909FEB432D256FAE@icobadassmbp>
Message-ID: <7035c8b35d58436fb112b1e9da607098@localhost>

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:00:10 -0400, "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
> Thanks Ron for the info, we are already aware of this issue and are
working
> on it as fast as we can. As unlikely as it sounds, it appears we've had a
> major thunderstorm that has knocked out several buildings on campus,
> including the building hosting our server. Unfortunately, I've been out
of
> the country and unaware of this occurrence until it was brought to my
> attention yesterday. Let me say that this is a very unusual and very much
> unexpected occurrence. That being said, based on this unfortunate
> development we will look to invest into better UPS asap to minimize any
> potential downtime in the future.
> 
> As of 4:58PM the server should be back up and running.

I guess we can all thank Ico for handling this remotely (as I understood
things, from Europe!), and thanks to the people at VT for their help. I
checked the server, which seems to be just fine. Things could have been a
lot worse :-p

-- Marc-Olivier Barre --
 --- MarcO'Chapeau ----
- www.marcochapeau.org -



From raphael.bollen at mobistar.be  Tue Jul  1 16:59:25 2008
From: raphael.bollen at mobistar.be (=?iso-8859-1?q?Rapha=EBl_Bollen?=)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:59:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ffado and Motu Traveler
Message-ID: <200807012259.25316.raphael.bollen@mobistar.be>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to get my Motu Traveler to work on Linux but...

The ffado mixer is working correctly, I can tune the settings of the Traveler 
but when I start jackd, it crashes 2 seconds after. I've tried different 
settings frames/period etc. but I always get the same behaviour. Does someone 
have suggestions of what I could try next?

--
Rapha?l.

Here is the output when I start jackd:

jackd -R -d firewire -v4
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
SSE2 detected
04886716167:  (ffado.cpp)[  99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 2.0.900-1268 
built Jul  1 2008 21:43:54
04886904852: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[ 510] discover: driver found for device 
0
04886905183: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[ 547] discover: discovery of node 0 on 
port 0 done...
04886905191: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[ 555] discover: Discovery finished...
04886905210: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1045] showDeviceInfo: ===== Device 
Manager =====
04886905216: Debug (Element.cpp)[ 109] show: Element DeviceManager
04886905220: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1053] showDeviceInfo: --- IEEE1394 
Service  0 ---
Iso handler info:
Dumping IsoHandlerManager Stream handler information...
 State: 2
04886905233: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1063] showDeviceInfo: --- Device  0 ---
04886905237: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1066] showDeviceInfo: Clock sync 
sources:
04886905254: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
Internal          , Id:  0, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
Description: Internal sync
04886905259: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
ADAT              , Id:  1, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
Description: ADAT optical
04886905264: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
SPDIF             , Id:  2, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
Description: SPDIF/Toslink
04886905268: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: Erratic 
type      , Id:  3, Valid: 0, Active: 0, Locked 0, Slipping: 0, Description: 
SMPTE
04886905273: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
WordClock         , Id:  4, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
Description: Wordclock
04886905278: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
ADAT              , Id:  5, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
Description: ADAT 9-pin
04886905282: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
AES               , Id:  7, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
Description: AES/EBU
04886943583: Debug (motu_avdevice.cpp)[ 980] prepare: Preparing MotuDevice...
  Handler type................: Transmit
  Port, Channel...............:  0,  1
  Buffer, MaxPacketSize, IRQ..:  200,  616,  100
  Speed, PreBuffers...........:  2,  0
  Min ISOXMT bufferfill : 7999
  Last cycle, dropped.........:   -1,    0
  Handler type................: Receive
  Port, Channel...............:  0,  0
  Buffer, MaxPacketSize, IRQ..:  400,  616,   85
  Last cycle, dropped.........:   -1,    0
04887356461: Debug (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 603] getPacket: (0x80832b8) dropped 3100 
packets on cycle 199 (last_cycle=5098, dropped=0, skipped: 0)
04889449791: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
while waiting for activity
04889449800: Warning (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 226] Execute: Timeout while 
waiting for activity
04890449816: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
while waiting for activity
04890459018: Warning (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 226] Execute: Timeout while 
waiting for activity
04891449842: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
while waiting for activity
04891469020: Warning (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 226] Execute: Timeout while 
waiting for activity
04892329008: Fatal (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 274] Execute: (0x807d680, 
Transmit) Handler died: now: A9E6D856, last: A1E678DD, diff: 98322297 (max: 
98304000)
04892329025: Warning (StreamProcessor.cpp)[ 108] handlerDied: Handler died for 
0x8083848
04892449866: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
while waiting for activity
04892449890: Debug (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[1022] waitForPeriod: Xrun on 
XMIT SP 0x8083848 due to ISO side xrun
04892449897: Debug (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[1026] waitForPeriod: Xrun on 
XMIT SP 0x8083848 due to buffer side xrun
04892449901: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 614] alignReceivedStreams: 
xrun while aligning streams...
04892449905: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 583] syncStartAll: Could not 
align streams...
04892449916: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892449920: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892449923: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892449927: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892449933: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892449936: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892449939: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892449942: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892449947: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892449951: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892449954: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892449957: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892449962: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892449965: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892449968: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892449972: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892449977: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892449980: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892449983: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892449986: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892449991: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892449994: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892449997: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892450007: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892450014: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892450017: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892450020: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892450023: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892450028: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892450032: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892450035: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892450038: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892450043: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
E_Initialized, got 3
04892450046: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
04892450049: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
not start handler for SP 0x8083848
04892450052: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
04892450055: Fatal (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 692] start: Could not 
syncStartAll...
04892450078: Fatal (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 274] Execute: (0x807d798, Receive) 
Handler died: now: AA2F65FE, last: A22EC124, diff: 98335962 (max: 98304000)
04892450089: Warning (StreamProcessor.cpp)[ 108] handlerDied: Handler died for 
0x8080a08
04892460300: Fatal (ffado.cpp)[ 204] ffado_streaming_start: Could not start 
the streaming system
firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads: -1
DRIVER NT: could not start driver
cannot start driver
jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd
Aborted (core dumped)


From atte.jensen at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 17:12:11 2008
From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:12:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486A9DAB.4080908@gmail.com>

Reuben Martin wrote:

> I don't think the default patches that come with Zyn give a very good 
> impression of what it is capable of.

We (the zyn-users) did a collection of user generated patched last year. 
  I'm not sure at this point in time how to continue this work, but any 
patches you produce you should consider sending in (maybe just to me).

If we get enough continous submissions, I think we need to have some 
kind of system where users can submit patches, similar to how Blue's 
BlueShare works (you get an account, and upload/manage your own patches, 
but everyone can download all patches).

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://atte.dk       | http://myspace.com/attejensen
http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk


From fbar at footils.org  Tue Jul  1 17:31:13 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:31:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Laptop Sound Adapter for Ripping my Vinyl Album Collection
In-Reply-To: <20080630174602.B4FCABE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
References: <20080630075854.GA3978@m.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
	<20080630174602.B4FCABE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
Message-ID: <20080701213113.GM6144@fliwatut.scifi>

Hallo,
Kevin Cosgrove hat gesagt: // Kevin Cosgrove wrote:

> 
> On 30 June 2008 at 3:58, Yola <_ at whats-your.name> wrote:
> 
> > ART sells a USB-powered phono preamp. its very flexible, as you
> > can use it as just a ADC, ADC+preamp, DAC, preamp, etc.
> >
> > its about 99, and i think the best solution here. but then i
> > have one, so maybe im biased?
> 
> That's actually what I'm after, answers from people who like their 
> gear and gear that works with Linux.
> 
> Would you have a model number of that unit?

here's a review:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may06/articles/artphonoplus.htm

No 24 bit, though, which isn't good and may make the Phase 26 a better
choice again for almost the same price, if you can do the RIAA EQ in
software.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__


From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 18:26:29 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:26:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>	
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>

Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> If you like jazz wouldn't it be something like this you should by:
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_aeb8ebk.htm
>
> If you got too many special whishes the cheap market will shrink fast !
>
> tir, 01 07 2008 kl. 21:11 +0200, skrev schoappied:
>   
>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
>>     
>>> What about this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_hbp120bk_ebass.htm
>>>  It's fairly cheep
>>> /Sv-e
>>> tir, 01 07 2008 kl. 10:48 -0700, skrev Kevin Cosgrove:
>>>   
>>>       
>> Wow didn't find it that cheap till now, but what about the quality and 
>> the sound?
>>
>> I like a Jazz sound...
>>
>> What about this one?
>> http://www.westerhaven.nl/shop/produktinfo.php?vjaID=20080630174035&prodID=000000000008953
>>
>> And what about the brand Crafter?
>> http://www.westerhaven.nl/shop/produktinfo.php?vjaID=20080701210017&prodID=000000000005029
>>
>> Squier?
>> http://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_squier_std_jazz_bass_antiqueburst.htm
>>
>> Dean?
>> http://www.thomann.de/gb/dean_guitars_edge_09_m.htm
>>
>> Cort?
>> http://www.thomann.de/gb/cort_action_bass_2.htm
>>
>> Yamaha?
>> http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_rbx_375_3.htm
>>
>>
>> But I'm a guitarist and doubting about how much money I have for it... 
>> but I can search for a second hand one if I know which ones are good...
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>     
>
>
>   
I was not thinking about an acoustic one....
What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? I want to 
be able to record it on linux...



From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:14:06 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:14:06 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Layla3G supported well?
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807011614n321ac92axef19b1c254ebf942@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have the Layla3G? If so, is it supported well in alsa?

-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:21:50 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:21:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Layla3G supported well?
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807011614n321ac92axef19b1c254ebf942@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807011614n321ac92axef19b1c254ebf942@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807011621u15bb1de9o207caf934a40b8fc@mail.gmail.com>

Note that I did looked here:
http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Echo_Corporation
and here:
http://www.webalice.it/g_pochini/ead/

So it looks supported. I wanted to know how well it is supported from users.

-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From loki.davison at gmail.com  Tue Jul  1 19:44:29 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:44:29 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Layla3G supported well?
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807011621u15bb1de9o207caf934a40b8fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807011614n321ac92axef19b1c254ebf942@mail.gmail.com>
	<df41a9e40807011621u15bb1de9o207caf934a40b8fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec9314860807011644o6d4c7c90he36395e39047a0e8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Brad Fuller <bradallenfuller at gmail.com> wrote:
> Note that I did looked here:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Echo_Corporation
> and here:
> http://www.webalice.it/g_pochini/ead/
>
> So it looks supported. I wanted to know how well it is supported from users.
>
> --
> Brad Fuller
> www.bradfuller.com
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

I've got the Gina3G, which uses the same drivers. Works well, i think
Dave Robillard has the Layla3G. I haven't used the ADAT and the
preamps do seem a little light on for gain, but i'm not sure if that
is a major issue. I can't push stuff into red if recording with my
acoustic guitar with condenser mic no matter what the trim i choose.

Loki


From plutek at infinity.net  Tue Jul  1 20:00:46 2008
From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek-infinity)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:00:46 -0400
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
Message-ID: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>

greetings!

starting with a wav and a corresponding toc, from which i would normally burn a master audio cd, is it possible to generate an iso image of the audio cd, so a user on some other operating system can simply burn the iso to a disc, and end up with a clone of my audio cd, including all cd-text and pq coding? i've been searching, but it's not looking very clear how to do it, or in fact whether it CAN be done. 

and, is there also a way to generate a dmg file (which a lot of mac programs seem to like), instead of an iso image?

thanks for any help!

cheers!

-- 
.pltk.


From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Wed Jul  2 01:48:10 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:48:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux>  <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux>

ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 00:26 +0200, skrev schoappied:
 
> I was not thinking about an acoustic one....
> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? I want to 
> be able to record it on linux...

If you look once again you'll see that it has a picup system, so you can
record it just as a regular electric bass.


/Sv-e



From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 02:42:47 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:42:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>	
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>	
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux> <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>

Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 00:26 +0200, skrev schoappied:
>  
>   
>> I was not thinking about an acoustic one....
>> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? I want to 
>> be able to record it on linux...
>>     
>
> If you look once again you'll see that it has a picup system, so you can
> record it just as a regular electric bass.
>
>
> /Sv-e
>
>
>   
Ok you're right...
but this question remains:

What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 




From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Wed Jul  2 02:47:43 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:47:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux> <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux>  <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1214981263.3777.8.camel@linux>

ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 08:42 +0200, skrev schoappied:
>  
> Ok you're right...
> but this question remains:
> 
> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 


You can rehearse without plugin it in an amp. You can choose to record
it by a microfone to get more tone.

It's probably a little more inconvenient to handle than an electric one.

The best way to find out, is to by the guitar at a local music store,
where you can try it out before you by.

/Sv-e



From fbar at footils.org  Wed Jul  2 02:48:58 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:48:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Which USB MIDI device for Ubuntu *and* Mac OS X?
In-Reply-To: <20080701000422.GA9403@us.netrek.org>
References: <20080701000422.GA9403@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <20080702064857.GA7946@fliwatut.scifi>

Hallo,
James Cameron hat gesagt: // James Cameron wrote:

> Can anyone suggest a USB MIDI device compatible with both recent
> versions of Ubuntu (e.g. 8.04) and Mac OS X, for use with Rosegarden and
> GarageBand?

What kind of USB-midi device: a controller, keyboard, audio card with
midi, midi interface?

Anyway check the list at http://qbik.ch/ for all things USB.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__


From martin.horn at ostec.org  Wed Jul  2 03:04:01 2008
From: martin.horn at ostec.org (Martin Horn)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:04:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <4868A4EF.9080309@gmail.com>
References: <4868A4EF.9080309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a41657e10807020004p7936a383o3185deb8d7bdcd43@mail.gmail.com>

Where are you buying from?

There is a czech company named BACH Guitars. The gits are really cheap and
at least as good as the typical Harley Bentons and even the Epiphones you
can buy on Thomann. I bought a 335 copy from them for 300 Euro and its
really good quality. Shure the pickups are not the best, but for the price
the wood and mechanics are really good quality. I think better than an
Epiphone 335 copy. I don't know about the basses but I would give it a try.
You can buy a bassgit on ebay and send it back if you don't like it. The
best would be to go there and check out for the best guitar in stock but the
guy selling them lives in south of east germany and I don't know where
you're coming from...

Just check it out:

http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZhomophonieQQhtZ-1

Martin


On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:18 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm searching for an (second hand) cheap bassguitar. Do you have
> suggestions for me? Which brands are 'good' in a low price class?
> Where should I be alert for when buying one?
> What about a amplifier? Do I need one, or can I  play it using Linux?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> /D
> _______________________________________________
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From quozl at us.netrek.org  Wed Jul  2 03:07:07 2008
From: quozl at us.netrek.org (James Cameron)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:07:07 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Which USB MIDI device for Ubuntu *and* Mac OS X?
In-Reply-To: <20080702064857.GA7946@fliwatut.scifi>
References: <20080701000422.GA9403@us.netrek.org>
	<20080702064857.GA7946@fliwatut.scifi>
Message-ID: <20080702070707.GA15858@us.netrek.org>

On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 08:48:58AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> What kind of USB-midi device: a controller, keyboard, audio card with
> midi, midi interface?

Good point, apologies for my incomplete post.  A MIDI interface is what
I'm looking for, as I have a Roland piano already with MIDI in and out. 

I've been using an emu10k1 PCI card on Linux, but wish to move the
piano into another room.

-- 
James Cameron    mailto:quozl at us.netrek.org     http://quozl.netrek.org/


From loki.davison at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 03:17:10 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:17:10 +1000
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <a41657e10807020004p7936a383o3185deb8d7bdcd43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4868A4EF.9080309@gmail.com>
	<a41657e10807020004p7936a383o3185deb8d7bdcd43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec9314860807020017v1f2cbcedg7c19a3fee1a6f91b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Martin Horn <martin.horn at ostec.org> wrote:
> Where are you buying from?
>
> There is a czech company named BACH Guitars. The gits are really cheap and
> at least as good as the typical Harley Bentons and even the Epiphones you
> can buy on Thomann. I bought a 335 copy from them for 300 Euro and its
> really good quality. Shure the pickups are not the best, but for the price
> the wood and mechanics are really good quality. I think better than an
> Epiphone 335 copy. I don't know about the basses but I would give it a try.
> You can buy a bassgit on ebay and send it back if you don't like it. The
> best would be to go there and check out for the best guitar in stock but the
> guy selling them lives in south of east germany and I don't know where
> you're coming from...
>
> Just check it out:
>
> http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZhomophonieQQhtZ-1
>
> Martin
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:18 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm searching for an (second hand) cheap bassguitar. Do you have
>> suggestions for me? Which brands are 'good' in a low price class?
>> Where should I be alert for when buying one?
>> What about a amplifier? Do I need one, or can I  play it using Linux?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> /D
>>

Bass shopping guide:

Just try one at a pawn shop, etc and if you like it buy it. Reviews,
etc on the net are a waste of time usually. It's how it is for you,
not someone else. Not saying the reviews are a good source of making
you feel better about the bass you bought ;) Of course, maybe if you
are looking for an instrument, you can't go wrong with a Fender P or J
Bass. It's really not that much money in the whole computer music $$$.
It's also a nice simple instrument that does the job at hand. I play a
washburn tarus t24 that i am very happy with and is quite cheap. $650.

Loki


From orl at ammd.net  Wed Jul  2 03:21:41 2008
From: orl at ammd.net (Aurelien)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:21:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080702072141.GD2398@sebkhachott.net>

On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 09:11:41PM +0200, schoappied wrote :
> Cort?
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/cort_action_bass_2.htm


Cort are one of the best quality/price products.

> 
> Yamaha?
> http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_rbx_375_3.htm

I don't have tried this one, but usually Yamah is quite fine.

-- 
==============================
W.O.II /// Sebkha-Chott
www.sebkhachott.net


From fbar at footils.org  Wed Jul  2 03:27:49 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:27:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Which USB MIDI device for Ubuntu *and* Mac OS X?
In-Reply-To: <20080702070707.GA15858@us.netrek.org>
References: <20080701000422.GA9403@us.netrek.org>
	<20080702064857.GA7946@fliwatut.scifi>
	<20080702070707.GA15858@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <20080702072749.GA18163@footils.org>

Hallo,
James Cameron hat gesagt: // James Cameron wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 08:48:58AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> > What kind of USB-midi device: a controller, keyboard, audio card with
> > midi, midi interface?
> 
> Good point, apologies for my incomplete post.  A MIDI interface is what
> I'm looking for, as I have a Roland piano already with MIDI in and out. 

Most simple midi dongles will work with the snd-usb-audio driver:
http://qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=midi+interface

Get one that doesn't require any firmware unlike some of the Midisport
interfaces. Edirol/Roland's UM devices are a safe bet.

Ciao
-- 
Frank Barknecht


From orl at ammd.net  Wed Jul  2 03:30:16 2008
From: orl at ammd.net (Aurelien)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:30:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <1214981263.3777.8.camel@linux>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux> <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux> <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
	<1214981263.3777.8.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <20080702073016.GE2398@sebkhachott.net>

On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 08:47:43AM +0200, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote :
> ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 08:42 +0200, skrev schoappied:
> >  
> > Ok you're right...
> > but this question remains:
> > 
> > What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 
> 
> 
> You can rehearse without plugin it in an amp. You can choose to record
> it by a microfone to get more tone.
> 
> It's probably a little more inconvenient to handle than an electric one.
> 
> The best way to find out, is to by the guitar at a local music store,
> where you can try it out before you by.

I personally find that acoustic bass often have a quite porr sound.
Recording them with a microphone is not that much a good idea (in most
cases), as there will be lack of frequencies (bass, especially).
There also often is some buzz problems with those basses, as the
"lutherie" part of the bass is more important, and for an equal price
you won't get the same electronics than a solid body. (got to see that,
as most of -quite- good basses are active, electronics is often the
first thing to fail with time...).
And, the really important thing is that acoustic bass won't have such a
"jazz" sound, but something much more like a "folk" one.
By the way, you have to think about fretless if you're interested in
walking a lot (if you thought about Marcus Miller as a jazz bass player,
then, this is not true anymore! :)[1]
I told you that, but actually I play on a acoustic/electric solid body
bass, but it's quite a single isolated case (actually the bass is unic
model):
http://sebkhachott.pix.free.fr/albums_photos/2007_Freakshow_Artrock_Festival_Wurzburg//Freakshow_091.jpg
http://sebkhachott.pix.free.fr/albums_photos/2007_Freakshow_Artrock_Festival_Wurzburg//Freakshow_019.jpg
(the "luthier"'s website: www.leduc.fr)


[1] Finally the first thing to ask is what kind of jazz do you mean?

-- 
==============================
W.O.II /// Sebkha-Chott
www.sebkhachott.net


From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk  Wed Jul  2 03:34:39 2008
From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (pete shorthose)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:34:39 +0100
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
Message-ID: <20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:00:46 -0400
plutek-infinity <plutek at infinity.net> wrote:

> greetings!
> 
> starting with a wav and a corresponding toc, from which i would normally burn a master audio cd, is it possible to generate an iso image of the audio cd, so a user on some other operating system can simply burn the iso to a disc, and end up with a clone of my audio cd, including all cd-text and pq coding? i've been searching, but it's not looking very clear how to do it, or in fact whether it CAN be done. 

probably a sematic issue but an iso (iso 9660) is a data cd filesystem standard and audio cds have no filesystem.
if you mean some sort of raw disk image (and many people do mean this when they refer to an iso)
then you're best bet may be cdrdao which ships with one of the most popular windows ripper (EAC) and
is widely available on linux at least.

you would probably want to master your cd then rip it to toc/bin.
cdrdao has numerous options for read modes and cdtext extraction etc. 
there are linux tools to convert between cue and toc too, but they are not
comprehensive iirc.
windows users will probably prefer a cue/bin (CDRwin/EAC etc) though.

i'm not aware of any single file image (no separate toc) and certainly not
one that is widely supported on multiple platforms but i tend to stay in my
own corner of linuxland so that's not saying much.

an alternative would be to distribute the wave files or monolithic wave
with a toc/cue. most burning softs can handle that kind of thing and the cdtext could
be included via the toc.

cheers,
pete. 


From cladisch at fastmail.net  Wed Jul  2 04:00:28 2008
From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:00:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Which USB MIDI device for Ubuntu *and* Mac OS X?
In-Reply-To: <20080701000422.GA9403@us.netrek.org>
References: <20080701000422.GA9403@us.netrek.org>
Message-ID: <486B359C.5080408@fastmail.net>

James Cameron wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a USB MIDI device compatible with both recent
> versions of Ubuntu (e.g. 8.04) and Mac OS X, for use with Rosegarden and
> GarageBand?

Any USB MIDI interface that is advertised as requiring no separate
driver for Windows XP and/or OS X will also work with Linux.


HTH
Clemens


From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Wed Jul  2 04:42:36 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:42:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <486A9DAB.4080908@gmail.com>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com> <486A9DAB.4080908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61852.88.73.203.26.1214988156.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>


> We (the zyn-users) did a collection of user generated patched last year.

So, where can we get it? :)

  Leslie

-- 
My personal blog: http://blog.viridian-project.de/



From pieterp at joow.be  Wed Jul  2 05:07:31 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:07:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ffado and Motu Traveler
In-Reply-To: <200807012259.25316.raphael.bollen@mobistar.be>
References: <200807012259.25316.raphael.bollen@mobistar.be>
Message-ID: <486B4553.2030206@joow.be>

Rapha?l Bollen wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm trying to get my Motu Traveler to work on Linux but...
> 
> The ffado mixer is working correctly, I can tune the settings of the Traveler 
> but when I start jackd, it crashes 2 seconds after. I've tried different 
> settings frames/period etc. but I always get the same behaviour. Does someone 
> have suggestions of what I could try next?

What firewire controller do you have?

Can you please provide debug logs as indicated in the README file and 
post them to the ffado-user mailing list?

(http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=192582)

Greets,

Pieter

> 
> --
> Rapha?l.
> 
> Here is the output when I start jackd:
> 
> jackd -R -d firewire -v4
> no message buffer overruns
> jackd 0.112.0
> Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
> jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
> under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
> 
> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
> loading driver ..
> SSE2 detected
> 04886716167:  (ffado.cpp)[  99] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 2.0.900-1268 
> built Jul  1 2008 21:43:54
> 04886904852: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[ 510] discover: driver found for device 
> 0
> 04886905183: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[ 547] discover: discovery of node 0 on 
> port 0 done...
> 04886905191: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[ 555] discover: Discovery finished...
> 04886905210: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1045] showDeviceInfo: ===== Device 
> Manager =====
> 04886905216: Debug (Element.cpp)[ 109] show: Element DeviceManager
> 04886905220: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1053] showDeviceInfo: --- IEEE1394 
> Service  0 ---
> Iso handler info:
> Dumping IsoHandlerManager Stream handler information...
>  State: 2
> 04886905233: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1063] showDeviceInfo: --- Device  0 ---
> 04886905237: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1066] showDeviceInfo: Clock sync 
> sources:
> 04886905254: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
> Internal          , Id:  0, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
> Description: Internal sync
> 04886905259: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
> ADAT              , Id:  1, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
> Description: ADAT optical
> 04886905264: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
> SPDIF             , Id:  2, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
> Description: SPDIF/Toslink
> 04886905268: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: Erratic 
> type      , Id:  3, Valid: 0, Active: 0, Locked 0, Slipping: 0, Description: 
> SMPTE
> 04886905273: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
> WordClock         , Id:  4, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
> Description: Wordclock
> 04886905278: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
> ADAT              , Id:  5, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
> Description: ADAT 9-pin
> 04886905282: Debug (devicemanager.cpp)[1075] showDeviceInfo:  Type: 
> AES               , Id:  7, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Locked 1, Slipping: 0, 
> Description: AES/EBU
> 04886943583: Debug (motu_avdevice.cpp)[ 980] prepare: Preparing MotuDevice...
>   Handler type................: Transmit
>   Port, Channel...............:  0,  1
>   Buffer, MaxPacketSize, IRQ..:  200,  616,  100
>   Speed, PreBuffers...........:  2,  0
>   Min ISOXMT bufferfill : 7999
>   Last cycle, dropped.........:   -1,    0
>   Handler type................: Receive
>   Port, Channel...............:  0,  0
>   Buffer, MaxPacketSize, IRQ..:  400,  616,   85
>   Last cycle, dropped.........:   -1,    0
> 04887356461: Debug (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 603] getPacket: (0x80832b8) dropped 3100 
> packets on cycle 199 (last_cycle=5098, dropped=0, skipped: 0)
> 04889449791: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
> while waiting for activity
> 04889449800: Warning (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 226] Execute: Timeout while 
> waiting for activity
> 04890449816: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
> while waiting for activity
> 04890459018: Warning (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 226] Execute: Timeout while 
> waiting for activity
> 04891449842: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
> while waiting for activity
> 04891469020: Warning (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 226] Execute: Timeout while 
> waiting for activity
> 04892329008: Fatal (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 274] Execute: (0x807d680, 
> Transmit) Handler died: now: A9E6D856, last: A1E678DD, diff: 98322297 (max: 
> 98304000)
> 04892329025: Warning (StreamProcessor.cpp)[ 108] handlerDied: Handler died for 
> 0x8083848
> 04892449866: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 898] waitForPeriod: Timeout 
> while waiting for activity
> 04892449890: Debug (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[1022] waitForPeriod: Xrun on 
> XMIT SP 0x8083848 due to ISO side xrun
> 04892449897: Debug (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[1026] waitForPeriod: Xrun on 
> XMIT SP 0x8083848 due to buffer side xrun
> 04892449901: Warning (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 614] alignReceivedStreams: 
> xrun while aligning streams...
> 04892449905: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 583] syncStartAll: Could not 
> align streams...
> 04892449916: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892449920: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892449923: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892449927: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892449933: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892449936: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892449939: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892449942: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892449947: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892449951: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892449954: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892449957: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892449962: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892449965: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892449968: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892449972: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892449977: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892449980: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892449983: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892449986: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892449991: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892449994: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892449997: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892450007: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892450014: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892450017: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892450020: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892450023: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892450028: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892450032: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892450035: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892450038: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892450043: Error (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 652] prepare: Incorrect state, expected 
> E_Initialized, got 3
> 04892450046: Fatal (IsoHandler.cpp)[ 713] enable: Could not prepare handler
> 04892450049: Error (StreamProcessor.cpp)[1097] scheduleStartDryRunning: Could 
> not start handler for SP 0x8083848
> 04892450052: Error (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 334] startDryRunning: Could 
> not put SP 0x8083848 into the dry-running state
> 04892450055: Fatal (StreamProcessorManager.cpp)[ 692] start: Could not 
> syncStartAll...
> 04892450078: Fatal (IsoHandlerManager.cpp)[ 274] Execute: (0x807d798, Receive) 
> Handler died: now: AA2F65FE, last: A22EC124, diff: 98335962 (max: 98304000)
> 04892450089: Warning (StreamProcessor.cpp)[ 108] handlerDied: Handler died for 
> 0x8080a08
> 04892460300: Fatal (ffado.cpp)[ 204] ffado_streaming_start: Could not start 
> the streaming system
> firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads: -1
> DRIVER NT: could not start driver
> cannot start driver
> jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd
> Aborted (core dumped)
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> 



From plutek at infinity.net  Wed Jul  2 07:24:22 2008
From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek-infinity)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:24:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk> (message from
	pete shorthose on Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:34:39 +0100)
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
	<20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>

>Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:34:39 +0100
>From: pete shorthose <zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk>
>
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:00:46 -0400
>plutek-infinity <plutek at infinity.net> wrote:
>
>> greetings!
>> 
>> starting with a wav and a corresponding toc, from which i would normally burn a master audio cd, is it possible to generate an iso image of the audio cd, so a user on some other operating system can simply burn the iso to a disc, and end up with a clone of my audio cd, including all cd-text and pq coding? i've been searching, but it's not looking very clear how to do it, or in fact whether it CAN be done. 
>
>probably a sematic issue but an iso (iso 9660) is a data cd filesystem standard and audio cds have no filesystem.
>if you mean some sort of raw disk image (and many people do mean this when they refer to an iso)
>then you're best bet may be cdrdao which ships with one of the most popular windows ripper (EAC) and
>is widely available on linux at least.
>
>you would probably want to master your cd then rip it to toc/bin.
>cdrdao has numerous options for read modes and cdtext extraction etc. 
>there are linux tools to convert between cue and toc too, but they are not
>comprehensive iirc.
>windows users will probably prefer a cue/bin (CDRwin/EAC etc) though.
>
>i'm not aware of any single file image (no separate toc) and certainly not
>one that is widely supported on multiple platforms but i tend to stay in my
>own corner of linuxland so that's not saying much.
>
>an alternative would be to distribute the wave files or monolithic wave
>with a toc/cue. most burning softs can handle that kind of thing and the cdtext could
>be included via the toc.

thanks, pete! your conclusions pretty much correspond to mine, so it's good to have them confirmed, at least. yes, i thought "iso" really only referred to a specific, non-audio, filesystem, but was hunting for some single file image for audio cd's, much like the actual iso's for other disks. a friend of mine, who uses macs, says there's a dmg file which is a complete single-file image of a cd, used in protools. perhaps that is proprietary.

cheers!


-- 
.pltk.


From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  2 07:31:23 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:31:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.17
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021320200.5273@ttleush>


jack_capture
============
jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. It's default
operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into
a file, but it can do a number of other operations as well.

Normal URL:
http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/?M=D

Note that the above link doesn't seem to currently work
because of something which seems to be www upgrade
at Notam. But this link does seem to work for now:

http://old.notam02.no/arkiv/src/?M=D



0.9.10 -> 0.9.17:
-----------------
  *Made sure the process thread won't continue sending
   data when jack_capture is told to quit. This
   led to a race conditions when recording too many channels
   at once (which was 256 channels on my machine).
  *Added the jack_capture_gui script, based on code
   by Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen's.
  *Replaced sh by bash to make it work in ubuntu.
  *Fixed exact port name match and gen_setformat. Thanks to
   Gabriel J.L. Beckers for reporting the bugs.
  *Increased the time the console meter is displayed in red from
   50ms to 2000ms. (when the recorded jack value is equal to or
   higher than 1.0.)
  *Added the -dBr argument to specify reference level when using
   the console dB meter.
  *Added the -mr argument to specify reference level when using
   the meterbridge meter.
  *Added peak indicators to the console meter. Code to do so taken
   from meterbridge by Steve Harris.
  *Updated --help and README with the new options.
  *Added option "-mt" to change meterbridge type. Current valid
   options are vu (default), ppm, dpm, jf or sco. It's not necesarry
   to specify "-mb" if using "-mt".
  *Added option "-dB" to get a dB meter for the console meter.
  *Added examples how to record ogg and mp3 files using the -ws option.
  *Decreased default buffersize from 60 to 20 seconds.
   (I even had trouble provocing underruns using a minimal
    0.05 seconds long buffer, so 60 seconds was obviously overkill)
  *Fixed message and error printing to stderr when
   vu meter is running.

From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  2 07:38:11 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:38:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1214983037.5922.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.17.1214983037.5922.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021332170.5273@ttleush>


David Forsyth:
>
> At this point, I'd be happy to do an 8 track recording.  For important
> live recordings I would not use a laptop, but instead a decent desktop
> with a RAID 0 array of at least 3 SATA2 disks for the audio files, with
> the system on another disk.
>

I think that is complete overkill. I just tried recorded 128 channels of 
32bit/44100hz at once, without problem. And my machine is 5 years old 
2Gz barebone, using only a single PATA ide disk.

This was using jack_capture, and only recording silence (ie. non-connected
jack ports). Maybe the silence makes a difference.(?)

256 channels did not work very well though.



From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Wed Jul  2 09:01:31 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:01:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021332170.5273@ttleush>
References: <mailman.17.1214983037.5922.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021332170.5273@ttleush>
Message-ID: <200807021502.03176.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> I think that is complete overkill. I just tried recorded 128 channels of
> 32bit/44100hz at once, without problem. And my machine is 5 years old
> 2Gz barebone, using only a single PATA ide disk.
> This was using jack_capture, and only recording silence (ie. non-connected
> jack ports). Maybe the silence makes a difference.(?)

For jack and ardour/timemachine/jack_capture it is completely irrelevant if 
the double-numbers contain 0.0, 1E-<incredibly high> or some (pseudo-)random 
values between -1 and 1. Its still sizeof(double) that is saved to disk for 
each channel and sample...

It only makes a difference when using compressed formats like mp3, flac, etc. 
But ardour doesn't support this (yet).

Have fun,

Arnold
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From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  2 09:29:03 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:29:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021524440.5273@ttleush>


Arnold Krille:
> Am Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > I think that is complete overkill. I just tried recorded 128 channels of
> > 32bit/44100hz at once, without problem. And my machine is 5 years old
> > 2Gz barebone, using only a single PATA ide disk.
> > This was using jack_capture, and only recording silence (ie. non-connected
> > jack ports). Maybe the silence makes a difference.(?)
> 
> For jack and ardour/timemachine/jack_capture it is completely irrelevant if
> the double-numbers contain 0.0, 1E-<incredibly high> or some 
> (pseudo-)random
> values between -1 and 1. Its still sizeof(double) that is saved to disk for
> each channel and sample...
> 
> It only makes a difference when using compressed formats like mp3, flac, etc.
> But ardour doesn't support this (yet).

You can't just bombastically spew out things like that without
backing it up with some sort of facts or at least arguments.
Since the buffers isn't written to by anything other than zeros,
there could theoretically be a smaller chance of cache misses. Whether it
makes a difference is a different story.

(BTW, sizeof(double) is 64 bits, while data written by 
ardour/timemachine/jack_capture is 32 bits.)



From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Wed Jul  2 09:40:31 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:40:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021524440.5273@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021524440.5273@ttleush>
Message-ID: <200807021540.39034.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> Arnold Krille:
> > Am Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > > I think that is complete overkill. I just tried recorded 128 channels
> > > of 32bit/44100hz at once, without problem. And my machine is 5 years
> > > old 2Gz barebone, using only a single PATA ide disk.
> > > This was using jack_capture, and only recording silence (ie.
> > > non-connected jack ports). Maybe the silence makes a difference.(?)
> >
> > For jack and ardour/timemachine/jack_capture it is completely irrelevant
> > if the double-numbers contain 0.0, 1E-<incredibly high> or some
> > (pseudo-)random
> > values between -1 and 1. Its still sizeof(double) that is saved to disk
> > for each channel and sample...
> >
> > It only makes a difference when using compressed formats like mp3, flac,
> > etc. But ardour doesn't support this (yet).
>
> You can't just bombastically spew out things like that without
> backing it up with some sort of facts or at least arguments.
> Since the buffers isn't written to by anything other than zeros,
> there could theoretically be a smaller chance of cache misses. Whether it
> makes a difference is a different story.

As the transfer from memory to hd is _the_ slow point of the setup, 
cache-misses or hits don't influence that at all. And when you are not 
calculating anything (apart from 64bit to 32bit double-to-float), you don't 
access the cache. DMA is the keyword. Still it doesn't make saving to disk 
faster than your disks and controllers speed. And I am pretty sure that there 
is _no_ compression involved in that part, otherwise this would seriously 
affect data-integrity if the controller did an unwanted compression.

Is that enough back-up for my "bombastically spilled out" argumentation?
A double (or float) to transfer to disk is still a double (float) to transfer 
to disk regardless wether the value is 0, close to zero or something close to 
INFINITY...

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From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  2 09:53:10 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:53:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021547100.5273@ttleush>


Arnold Krille:
> As the transfer from memory to hd is _the_ slow point of the setup,
> cache-misses or hits don't influence that at all. And when you are not
> calculating anything (apart from 64bit to 32bit double-to-float), you don't
> access the cache. DMA is the keyword. Still it doesn't make saving to disk
> faster than your disks and controllers speed. And I am pretty sure that there
> is _no_ compression involved in that part, otherwise this would seriously
> affect data-integrity if the controller did an unwanted compression.

Okay, but I'm also thinking about the HD cache and the cache between
the OS and the disk. I don't know how it works 
exactly though, but I thought that maybe it didn't write to disk as
often if the cache is constantly filled with zeros.


> Is that enough back-up for my "bombastically spilled out" argumentation?

Sure, much better argumentation.


> A double (or float) to transfer to disk is still a double (float) to transfer
> to disk regardless wether the value is 0, close to zero or something close to
> INFINITY...

Yes, but no doubles or 64 bits are involved in this process, only
32 bit floats.



From christian.delahousse at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 09:55:01 2008
From: christian.delahousse at gmail.com (Christian Delahousse)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:55:01 -0400
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <20080702073016.GE2398@sebkhachott.net>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux> <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux> <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
	<1214981263.3777.8.camel@linux>
	<20080702073016.GE2398@sebkhachott.net>
Message-ID: <11aa24330807020655o1a34c839l9dcd4db1515bec67@mail.gmail.com>

Do a search for Rondo Music. I think it might be rondomusic.com.

They sell their own brand of guitars and basses named SX. If you check out
the various forums, people have been raving about these. They're not much
over 100 dollars.

I bought an SX strat copy and I love it.

2008/7/2 Aurelien <orl at ammd.net>:

> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 08:47:43AM +0200, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote :
> > ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 08:42 +0200, skrev schoappied:
> > >
> > > Ok you're right...
> > > but this question remains:
> > >
> > > What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass?
> >
> >
> > You can rehearse without plugin it in an amp. You can choose to record
> > it by a microfone to get more tone.
> >
> > It's probably a little more inconvenient to handle than an electric one.
> >
> > The best way to find out, is to by the guitar at a local music store,
> > where you can try it out before you by.
>
> I personally find that acoustic bass often have a quite porr sound.
> Recording them with a microphone is not that much a good idea (in most
> cases), as there will be lack of frequencies (bass, especially).
> There also often is some buzz problems with those basses, as the
> "lutherie" part of the bass is more important, and for an equal price
> you won't get the same electronics than a solid body. (got to see that,
> as most of -quite- good basses are active, electronics is often the
> first thing to fail with time...).
> And, the really important thing is that acoustic bass won't have such a
> "jazz" sound, but something much more like a "folk" one.
> By the way, you have to think about fretless if you're interested in
> walking a lot (if you thought about Marcus Miller as a jazz bass player,
> then, this is not true anymore! :)[1]
> I told you that, but actually I play on a acoustic/electric solid body
> bass, but it's quite a single isolated case (actually the bass is unic
> model):
>
> http://sebkhachott.pix.free.fr/albums_photos/2007_Freakshow_Artrock_Festival_Wurzburg//Freakshow_091.jpg
>
> http://sebkhachott.pix.free.fr/albums_photos/2007_Freakshow_Artrock_Festival_Wurzburg//Freakshow_019.jpg
> (the "luthier"'s website: www.leduc.fr)
>
>
> [1] Finally the first thing to ask is what kind of jazz do you mean?
>
> --
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From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 11:24:19 2008
From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:24:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] tablature support in lilyond
Message-ID: <486B9DA3.20705@gmail.com>

Hi,

There is a discussion about more tablature-notation functions in 
Lilypond, like bend, slides, pull off etc.

Are you a guitar, bass or other string player, and maybe a software 
developer too?

Maybe you can offer you knowledge to lilypond and help develop these 
tablature features!

Or maybe you like to see such features in lilypond and would give your 
support and let the devs of lilypond know that you also like to see 
those tablature features!

If so, subsribe to the lilypond-user mailinglist and give your support.


Roos


From seablaede at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 13:00:52 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:00:52 -0600
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
	<20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
	<87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
Message-ID: <eb6dc46f0807021000s3f16f5a9xba1cc708e8ed452e@mail.gmail.com>

 A DMG to my knowledge is not proprietary, but there isn't much reason to
make one on Linux.  There is also little reason to make one for this
situation either, as it is typically not used to create a binary image of a
CD.  For that you are much better going with the .bin or .iso files to be
honest.  IIRC a .iso file can be burned by Diskutility on Mac OS X with no
problem.  Most burning programs on OS X can handle TOC/CUE files, though I
don't believe Disc Utility can burn them, and I know from experience some,
like older versions of Toast(Not sure about newer) don't burn them
correctly, so I suppose this might be why your friend suggested a DMG.
However to be hoenst a DMG would not be a good match for this, as it is
designed to store files to my knowledge, and thus wouldn't be to strong a
match for an audio CD.

         Seablade

Who has been stuck on Macs for a bit now.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:24 AM, plutek-infinity <plutek at infinity.net> wrote:

> thanks, pete! your conclusions pretty much correspond to mine, so it's good
> to have them confirmed, at least. yes, i thought "iso" really only referred
> to a specific, non-audio, filesystem, but was hunting for some single file
> image for audio cd's, much like the actual iso's for other disks. a friend
> of mine, who uses macs, says there's a dmg file which is a complete
> single-file image of a cd, used in protools. perhaps that is proprietary.
>
> cheers!
>
>
> --
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From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Wed Jul  2 13:11:53 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:11:53 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.17
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021320200.5273@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021320200.5273@ttleush>
Message-ID: <1215018713.7199.1.camel@linux>

Hi Kjetil

Has upgraded to version 0.9.17 but how do you start the gui think ?
jack_capture_gui dosn't respond


/Sv-e
ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 13:31 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> jack_capture
> ============
> jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. It's default
> operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into
> a file, but it can do a number of other operations as well.
> 
> Normal URL:
> http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/?M=D
> 
> Note that the above link doesn't seem to currently work
> because of something which seems to be www upgrade
> at Notam. But this link does seem to work for now:
> 
> http://old.notam02.no/arkiv/src/?M=D
> 
> 
> 
> 0.9.10 -> 0.9.17:
> -----------------
>   *Made sure the process thread won't continue sending
>    data when jack_capture is told to quit. This
>    led to a race conditions when recording too many channels
>    at once (which was 256 channels on my machine).
>   *Added the jack_capture_gui script, based on code
>    by Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen's.
>   *Replaced sh by bash to make it work in ubuntu.
>   *Fixed exact port name match and gen_setformat. Thanks to
>    Gabriel J.L. Beckers for reporting the bugs.
>   *Increased the time the console meter is displayed in red from
>    50ms to 2000ms. (when the recorded jack value is equal to or
>    higher than 1.0.)
>   *Added the -dBr argument to specify reference level when using
>    the console dB meter.
>   *Added the -mr argument to specify reference level when using
>    the meterbridge meter.
>   *Added peak indicators to the console meter. Code to do so taken
>    from meterbridge by Steve Harris.
>   *Updated --help and README with the new options.
>   *Added option "-mt" to change meterbridge type. Current valid
>    options are vu (default), ppm, dpm, jf or sco. It's not necesarry
>    to specify "-mb" if using "-mt".
>   *Added option "-dB" to get a dB meter for the console meter.
>   *Added examples how to record ogg and mp3 files using the -ws option.
>   *Decreased default buffersize from 60 to 20 seconds.
>    (I even had trouble provocing underruns using a minimal
>     0.05 seconds long buffer, so 60 seconds was obviously overkill)
>   *Fixed message and error printing to stderr when
>    vu meter is running.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Wed Jul  2 13:27:50 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:27:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
Message-ID: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>

Hi All

I just finished a title with an Canadian text-writer if your not against
flash player'n stuff like that you can take a listen here, the player
should start automatic when you enter the site, the title is called
Anti-Hero Mr. Zero. Guirtar and Vocal,
ZynAddSubFX,Hydrogene,Qsynth,Arour + Audacity for mastering and mp3
compression was used:

http://semcity.sv-e.dk/viewpage.php?page_id=50


/Sv-e



From julien at c-lab.de  Wed Jul  2 13:39:28 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:39:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
In-Reply-To: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
References: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807021938320.14014@arima>

Hi Sven!
   I'm always curious, but with me it's not really a question of being against 
falsh player'n stuff :-), but I simply can't for I'm blind. Is there a way to 
get by this?
   Kindest regards
          Julien

--------
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======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From edogawa at aon.at  Wed Jul  2 14:01:08 2008
From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:01:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
Message-ID: <200807022001.08368.edogawa@aon.at>

Am Wednesday 02 July 2008 schrieb Loki Davison:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Martin Horn <martin.horn at ostec.org> wrote:
> > Where are you buying from?
> >
> > There is a czech company named BACH Guitars. The gits are really cheap and
> > at least as good as the typical Harley Bentons and even the Epiphones you
> > can buy on Thomann. I bought a 335 copy from them for 300 Euro and its
> > really good quality. Shure the pickups are not the best, but for the price
> > the wood and mechanics are really good quality. I think better than an
> > Epiphone 335 copy. I don't know about the basses but I would give it a try.
> > You can buy a bassgit on ebay and send it back if you don't like it. The
> > best would be to go there and check out for the best guitar in stock but the
> > guy selling them lives in south of east germany and I don't know where
> > you're coming from...
> >
> > Just check it out:
> >
> > http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZhomophonieQQhtZ-1
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:18 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm searching for an (second hand) cheap bassguitar. Do you have
> >> suggestions for me? Which brands are 'good' in a low price class?
> >> Where should I be alert for when buying one?
> >> What about a amplifier? Do I need one, or can I  play it using Linux?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> /D
> >>
> 
> Bass shopping guide:
> 
> Just try one at a pawn shop, etc and if you like it buy it. Reviews,
> etc on the net are a waste of time usually. It's how it is for you,
> not someone else. Not saying the reviews are a good source of making
> you feel better about the bass you bought ;) Of course, maybe if you
> are looking for an instrument, you can't go wrong with a Fender P or J
> Bass. It's really not that much money in the whole computer music $$$.
> It's also a nice simple instrument that does the job at hand. I play a
> washburn tarus t24 that i am very happy with and is quite cheap. $650.
> 
> Loki
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
> 

Not being a bass player, I still second that. Guitars are made from wood, and 
especially with cheap instruments there can be huge differences between 
instruments of the same brand/type. You have to play, hear and feel it yourself 
to judge. A friend of mine recently got a very nice cheap telecaster copy, from a 
series of ten in the shop it was the only good one, and he got it even cheaper 
because some kids had made scratches to the surface when trying them out...

Edgar


From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Wed Jul  2 14:04:19 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:04:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.17
In-Reply-To: <1215018713.7199.1.camel@linux>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021320200.5273@ttleush>
	<1215018713.7199.1.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <1215021859.7199.13.camel@linux>

How stupid can one bee, :( My bad just upgraded from the Suse mirror,
unpacking your new tar gave the result I was waiting for, Im sorry for
the fuzz.

/Sv-e
ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 19:11 +0200, skrev Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> Hi Kjetil
> 
> Has upgraded to version 0.9.17 but how do you start the gui think ?
> jack_capture_gui dosn't respond
> 
> 
> /Sv-e
> ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 13:31 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > jack_capture
> > ============
> > jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. It's default
> > operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into
> > a file, but it can do a number of other operations as well.
> > 
> > Normal URL:
> > http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/?M=D
> > 
> > Note that the above link doesn't seem to currently work
> > because of something which seems to be www upgrade
> > at Notam. But this link does seem to work for now:
> > 
> > http://old.notam02.no/arkiv/src/?M=D
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 0.9.10 -> 0.9.17:
> > -----------------
> >   *Made sure the process thread won't continue sending
> >    data when jack_capture is told to quit. This
> >    led to a race conditions when recording too many channels
> >    at once (which was 256 channels on my machine).
> >   *Added the jack_capture_gui script, based on code
> >    by Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen's.
> >   *Replaced sh by bash to make it work in ubuntu.
> >   *Fixed exact port name match and gen_setformat. Thanks to
> >    Gabriel J.L. Beckers for reporting the bugs.
> >   *Increased the time the console meter is displayed in red from
> >    50ms to 2000ms. (when the recorded jack value is equal to or
> >    higher than 1.0.)
> >   *Added the -dBr argument to specify reference level when using
> >    the console dB meter.
> >   *Added the -mr argument to specify reference level when using
> >    the meterbridge meter.
> >   *Added peak indicators to the console meter. Code to do so taken
> >    from meterbridge by Steve Harris.
> >   *Updated --help and README with the new options.
> >   *Added option "-mt" to change meterbridge type. Current valid
> >    options are vu (default), ppm, dpm, jf or sco. It's not necesarry
> >    to specify "-mb" if using "-mt".
> >   *Added option "-dB" to get a dB meter for the console meter.
> >   *Added examples how to record ogg and mp3 files using the -ws option.
> >   *Decreased default buffersize from 60 to 20 seconds.
> >    (I even had trouble provocing underruns using a minimal
> >     0.05 seconds long buffer, so 60 seconds was obviously overkill)
> >   *Fixed message and error printing to stderr when
> >    vu meter is running.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From julien at c-lab.de  Wed Jul  2 14:48:48 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:48:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
In-Reply-To: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
References: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807022045460.14014@arima>

Hello Sven!
   If I say it's "radio compatible", this is to be considered as a praise. I 
mean the general sound. I sounds very straight forward and well mastered.
   Only points: I had some problems with the electric guitar, it sounded a bit 
too mono for my taste. And it would have been nice to really sing the chorus 
twice or thrice and spread the vocals in the stereo image. Would have been 
even more of a distinction in contrast to the stanzer.
   But over all: nicely done, hothing too fancy probably, but exactly right. 
Sometimes less is more.
   Kindest regards
         Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From steampipe at iwr.ru.ac.za  Wed Jul  2 15:20:38 2008
From: steampipe at iwr.ru.ac.za (David Forsyth)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:20:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1215014402.30914.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.3.1215014402.30914.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <486BD506.20309@iwr.ru.ac.za>

Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:38:11 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Kjetil S. Matheussen"

David Forsyth:
>> 
>> At this point, I'd be happy to do an 8 track recording.  For
>> important live recordings I would not use a laptop, but instead a
>> decent desktop with a RAID 0 array of at least 3 SATA2 disks for
>> the audio files, with the system on another disk.
>> 

 >I think that is complete overkill. I just tried recorded 128 channels 
 >of 32bit/44100hz at once, without problem. And my machine is 5 years 
 >old 2Gz barebone, using only a single PATA ide disk.

 >This was using jack_capture, and only recording silence (ie. 
 >non-connected jack ports). Maybe the silence makes a difference.(?)

I think you're missing all the interrupts that would happen if your 
audio hardware was sampling and sending data to the jack ports.
and then the conflict between the PCI transfers of that data and the 
DMA->PCI transfers to disk...

I had trouble with my 8 channel setup until I sorted out the SATA 
settings.  I still say that for a large important (one chance) recording 
I'd use more hardware than a laptop can supply, even if I have to hire 
it or assemble it specially for the show.

 >256 channels did not work very well though.

heh (-:

-- 
David                       http://iwr.ru.ac.za/~iwdf/
If you receive email saying "Send this to everyone you know",
            PLEASE pretend you don't know me.


From frankpirrone at gmail.com  Wed Jul  2 15:33:07 2008
From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:33:07 -0400
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
	<20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
	<87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
Message-ID: <486BD7F3.7070005@gmail.com>

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plutek-infinity wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:34:39 +0100
>> From: pete shorthose <zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk>
>>
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:00:46 -0400
>> plutek-infinity <plutek at infinity.net> wrote:
>>
>>> greetings!
>>>
>>> starting with a wav and a corresponding toc, from which i would normally burn a master audio cd, is it possible to generate an iso image of the audio cd, so a user on some other operating system can simply burn the iso to a disc, and end up with a clone of my audio cd, including all cd-text and pq coding? i've been searching, but it's not looking very clear how to do it, or in fact whether it CAN be done. 
>> probably a sematic issue but an iso (iso 9660) is a data cd filesystem standard and audio cds have no filesystem.
>> if you mean some sort of raw disk image (and many people do mean this when they refer to an iso)
>> then you're best bet may be cdrdao which ships with one of the most popular windows ripper (EAC) and
>> is widely available on linux at least.
>>
>> you would probably want to master your cd then rip it to toc/bin.
>> cdrdao has numerous options for read modes and cdtext extraction etc. 
>> there are linux tools to convert between cue and toc too, but they are not
>> comprehensive iirc.
>> windows users will probably prefer a cue/bin (CDRwin/EAC etc) though.
>>
>> i'm not aware of any single file image (no separate toc) and certainly not
>> one that is widely supported on multiple platforms but i tend to stay in my
>> own corner of linuxland so that's not saying much.
>>
>> an alternative would be to distribute the wave files or monolithic wave
>> with a toc/cue. most burning softs can handle that kind of thing and the cdtext could
>> be included via the toc.
> 
> thanks, pete! your conclusions pretty much correspond to mine, so it's good to have them confirmed, at least. yes, i thought "iso" really only referred to a specific, non-audio, filesystem, but was hunting for some single file image for audio cd's, much like the actual iso's for other disks. a friend of mine, who uses macs, says there's a dmg file which is a complete single-file image of a cd, used in protools. perhaps that is proprietary.
> 
> cheers!
> 
> 
Peter,

Have you taken a look at using dd to simply create a disc image of the CD?

Frank
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From gordonjcp at gjcp.net  Wed Jul  2 18:54:03 2008
From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:54:03 +0100
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
Message-ID: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>

For a while I've been using the sirlabs.de vocoder plugin:

http://www.sirlab.de/linux/descr_vocoder.html

But it has some problems, notably expecting two inputs but only offering 
one output.  There was a patch on linuxrockstar which gave it two 
outputs, but something seemed a bit lacking, still.

An evening of hacking and here we have it:

http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/vocoder.tar.bz2

It's hard-set to eight bands, all with the same level.  There's a 
bandspread control to alter the frequency spacing of the partials, and a 
width control to vary the stereo effect where odd bands go to the left 
output and even bands go to the right output.

Give it a go and let me know how you get on.

Gordon


From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk  Wed Jul  2 19:03:17 2008
From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (pete shorthose)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:03:17 +0100
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <486BD7F3.7070005@gmail.com>
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
	<20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
	<87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio> <486BD7F3.7070005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080703000317.73000477.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:33:07 -0400
frank pirrone <frankpirrone at gmail.com> wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> plutek-infinity wrote:
> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:34:39 +0100
> >> From: pete shorthose <zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:00:46 -0400
> >> plutek-infinity <plutek at infinity.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> greetings!
> >>>
> >>> starting with a wav and a corresponding toc, from which i would normally burn a master audio cd, is it possible to generate an iso image of the audio cd, so a user on some other operating system can simply burn the iso to a disc, and end up with a clone of my audio cd, including all cd-text and pq coding? i've been searching, but it's not looking very clear how to do it, or in fact whether it CAN be done. 
> >> probably a sematic issue but an iso (iso 9660) is a data cd filesystem standard and audio cds have no filesystem.
> >> if you mean some sort of raw disk image (and many people do mean this when they refer to an iso)
> >> then you're best bet may be cdrdao which ships with one of the most popular windows ripper (EAC) and
> >> is widely available on linux at least.
> >>
> >> you would probably want to master your cd then rip it to toc/bin.
> >> cdrdao has numerous options for read modes and cdtext extraction etc. 
> >> there are linux tools to convert between cue and toc too, but they are not
> >> comprehensive iirc.
> >> windows users will probably prefer a cue/bin (CDRwin/EAC etc) though.
> >>
> >> i'm not aware of any single file image (no separate toc) and certainly not
> >> one that is widely supported on multiple platforms but i tend to stay in my
> >> own corner of linuxland so that's not saying much.
> >>
> >> an alternative would be to distribute the wave files or monolithic wave
> >> with a toc/cue. most burning softs can handle that kind of thing and the cdtext could
> >> be included via the toc.
> > 
> > thanks, pete! your conclusions pretty much correspond to mine, so it's good to have them confirmed, at least. yes, i thought "iso" really only referred to a specific, non-audio, filesystem, but was hunting for some single file image for audio cd's, much like the actual iso's for other disks. a friend of mine, who uses macs, says there's a dmg file which is a complete single-file image of a cd, used in protools. perhaps that is proprietary.
> > 
> > cheers!
> > 
> > 
> Peter,
> 
> Have you taken a look at using dd to simply create a disc image of the CD?

iirc, you need to use special ioctls to read cd audio data and so dd doesn't work at
all for audio cds.

whilst we are on the subject though, a cdripping discussion came up a while ago WRT
accurate ripping of cds. at the time, i tried ripping an audio cd with cdrdao but
using the raw modes to see if the latent hardware r/w offsets were ignored in that
case. when i burned and ripped the resulting cdr back again, the image was indeed correctly aligned.

anyone else noticed this?

cheers,
pete. 


From fons at kokkinizita.net  Wed Jul  2 20:33:23 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 02:33:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021524440.5273@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807021524440.5273@ttleush>
Message-ID: <20080703003323.GB3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>

On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:29:03PM +0200, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:

> You can't just bombastically spew out things like that without
> backing it up with some sort of facts or at least arguments.

You asked a question ("maybe the zeros make a difference ?").

You got a correct answer (apart from the irrelevant double/
float confusion). 

You apparently don't like the answer, since you feel it
necessary to lecture the poster who provided it, using a
sort of language typical for spoiled mid-puberal teens.

Finally you admit to 'not knowing how it works'.

Who's being bombastic here ?

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Thu Jul  3 02:28:02 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:28:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <486BD506.20309@iwr.ru.ac.za>
References: <mailman.3.1215014402.30914.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<486BD506.20309@iwr.ru.ac.za>
Message-ID: <1215066482.7057.6.camel@linux>

Hi 

I'm no techie but isn't the calculation regarding how fast your harddisk
must be quite simple, if we assume working in 44100KHz ?

A normal CD delivers 150Kb pr. second and its two tracks, so storing
multichannelrecordings in 44100 must be something like 75Kb per second X
times as X is the number of tracks.

I have no doubts that my Lenove T61P with sata disk can store more than
the 75Kb * 18 my RME Multiface offer, else the thing is broken.

/Sv-e
ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 21:20 +0200, skrev David Forsyth:
> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:38:11 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "Kjetil S. Matheussen"
> 
> David Forsyth:
> >> 
> >> At this point, I'd be happy to do an 8 track recording.  For
> >> important live recordings I would not use a laptop, but instead a
> >> decent desktop with a RAID 0 array of at least 3 SATA2 disks for
> >> the audio files, with the system on another disk.
> >> 
> 
>  >I think that is complete overkill. I just tried recorded 128 channels 
>  >of 32bit/44100hz at once, without problem. And my machine is 5 years 
>  >old 2Gz barebone, using only a single PATA ide disk.
> 
>  >This was using jack_capture, and only recording silence (ie. 
>  >non-connected jack ports). Maybe the silence makes a difference.(?)
> 
> I think you're missing all the interrupts that would happen if your 
> audio hardware was sampling and sending data to the jack ports.
> and then the conflict between the PCI transfers of that data and the 
> DMA->PCI transfers to disk...
> 
> I had trouble with my 8 channel setup until I sorted out the SATA 
> settings.  I still say that for a large important (one chance) recording 
> I'd use more hardware than a laptop can supply, even if I have to hire 
> it or assemble it specially for the show.
> 
>  >256 channels did not work very well though.
> 
> heh (-:
> 



From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Thu Jul  3 03:46:29 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:46:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
Message-ID: <62888.88.73.224.166.1215071189.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>


> For a while I've been using the sirlabs.de vocoder plugin:
>
> http://www.sirlab.de/linux/descr_vocoder.html
>
> But it has some problems, notably expecting two inputs but only offering
> one output.  There was a patch on linuxrockstar which gave it two
> outputs, but something seemed a bit lacking, still.

What was that?


> An evening of hacking and here we have it:

Thank you! :)

We all love robots, I'm sure.


Here's an Arch Linux package:

  viridian-project.de/~sky/vocoder-ladspa-0.4-2-i686.pkg.tar.gz

I've also put it up on the AUR.

  Leslie



From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Thu Jul  3 05:24:51 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:24:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
Message-ID: <62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>


> Give it a go and let me know how you get on.

I have noticed that the second output isn't labelled (the other one
says ?Output Right?).



From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Jul  3 05:54:58 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:54:58 -1000
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>	<20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
	<87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
Message-ID: <486CA1F2.1060901@hawaii.rr.com>

plutek-infinity wrote:

> a friend of mine, who uses macs, says
> there's a dmg file which is a complete single-file image of a cd,
> used in protools. perhaps that is proprietary.

Don't know if it's proprietary, but I believe Apple is doing away with 
support for the DMG format.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Thu Jul  3 05:55:26 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:55:26 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807022045460.14014@arima>
References: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807022045460.14014@arima>
Message-ID: <1215078926.3795.3.camel@linux>

Hi Julien


Less is always more when I write, record, and produce music :)

The guitar is recorded  by microphoe and I thought it was a shame
actually fiddeling with the sound, but yeah I could give it a go with a
chorus to spread it a littel, but you see I've just found it nice to
play the thing more or less dry as it is, with a litte room/echo at the
FXloop.

Thanks for takeing your time to listen.


/Sv-e
ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 20:48 +0200, skrev Julien Claassen:
> Hello Sven!
>    If I say it's "radio compatible", this is to be considered as a praise. I 
> mean the general sound. I sounds very straight forward and well mastered.
>    Only points: I had some problems with the electric guitar, it sounded a bit 
> too mono for my taste. And it would have been nice to really sing the chorus 
> twice or thrice and spread the vocals in the stereo image. Would have been 
> even more of a distinction in contrast to the stanzer.
>    But over all: nicely done, hothing too fancy probably, but exactly right. 
> Sometimes less is more.
>    Kindest regards
>          Julien
> 
> --------
> Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
> 
> ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
> http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
> the Linux TextBased Studio guide
> ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
> http://www.juliencoder.de



From christopher.wenn at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 06:40:56 2008
From: christopher.wenn at gmail.com (Chris Wenn)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:40:56 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE
In-Reply-To: <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost>  <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>
Message-ID: <1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost>

OK

I have compiled FFADO and the svn Jack, as suggested, and I'm still not
winning (see attachment)

I've tried 'Force Bus Reset' in gscanbus, rebooting several times,
ejecting and reinserting the card, and powering the Saffire LE on and
off. If anyone can provide any assistance, I'd be grateful.

Chris
-------------- next part --------------
getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so
getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so
getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so
getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_freebob.so
getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so
jackd 0.112.0
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio
registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi
clock source = system clock via clock_gettime
start poll on 3 fd's
loading driver ..
new client: firewire_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x806b0e8 fd = -1
new buffer size 1024
registered port system:capture_1, offset = 4096
registered port system:capture_2, offset = 8192
registered port system:capture_3, offset = 12288
registered port system:capture_4, offset = 16384
registered port system:capture_5, offset = 20480
registered port system:capture_6, offset = 24576
registered port system:midi_capture_1, offset = 4096
registered port system:playback_1, offset = 0
registered port system:playback_2, offset = 0
registered port system:playback_3, offset = 0
registered port system:playback_4, offset = 0
registered port system:playback_5, offset = 0
registered port system:playback_6, offset = 0
registered port system:playback_7, offset = 0
registered port system:playback_8, offset = 0
registered port system:midi_playback_1, offset = 0
++ jack_sort_graph
++ jack_rechain_graph():
+++ client is now firewire_pcm active ? 1
client firewire_pcm: internal client, execution_order=0.
-- jack_rechain_graph()
-- jack_sort_graph
starting server engine shutdown
stopping driver
server thread back from poll
unloading driver

From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul  3 06:50:43 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:50:43 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
In-Reply-To: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
References: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <486CAF03.9040803@woh.rr.com>

Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> I just finished a title with an Canadian text-writer if your not against
> flash player'n stuff like that you can take a listen here, the player
> should start automatic when you enter the site, the title is called
> Anti-Hero Mr. Zero. Guirtar and Vocal,
> ZynAddSubFX,Hydrogene,Qsynth,Arour + Audacity for mastering and mp3
> compression was used:

I liked it. I listened to it a few times this morning, the melody and 
words are good hooks and your production is very clean and 
well-balanced. I'm not sure if I agree with Julien re: the guitar, but 
it is kind of thin compared to the other sounds. Doesn't bother me much 
though.

Good work, thanks for sharing. Share more please. :)

Best regards,

dp



From julien at c-lab.de  Thu Jul  3 07:03:59 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:03:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
In-Reply-To: <486CAF03.9040803@woh.rr.com>
References: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux> <486CAF03.9040803@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807031302450.16141@arima>

Hello!
   Dave sometimes it's helpful to have other people express, what you are to 
confused to say. Thin, that's what I was looking for. Probably not the mono 
property of the track.
   Kindest regards
        Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From gordonjcp at gjcp.net  Thu Jul  3 07:24:49 2008
From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (gordonjcp at gjcp.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:24:49 +0100
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
	<62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
Message-ID: <20080703112449.GA25842@gjcp.net>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 11:24:51AM +0200, Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
> 
> > Give it a go and let me know how you get on.
> 
> I have noticed that the second output isn't labelled (the other one
> says ?Output Right?).

Ok, I'll look at that this evening.  Which host are you using?

Gordon


From pieterp at joow.be  Thu Jul  3 08:26:30 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:26:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE
In-Reply-To: <1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost> <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>

Chris Wenn wrote:
> OK
> 
> I have compiled FFADO and the svn Jack, as suggested, and I'm still not
> winning (see attachment)
> 
> I've tried 'Force Bus Reset' in gscanbus, rebooting several times,
> ejecting and reinserting the card, and powering the Saffire LE on and
> off. If anyone can provide any assistance, I'd be grateful.
> 

Please provide debug logs as described in the README in the ffado tarball.

Pieter


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul  3 10:23:24 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:23:24 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
Message-ID: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

I purchased a Logitech QuickCam Communicate MP, which is apparently 
supported by the gspca driver. However, I've made the rather surprising 
discovery that webcam support is *not* a feature of the 64 Studio and 
JAD distributions. Ouch.

So if I'm right it appears that I'll have to recompile the kernel for 
V4L support. Am I correct to assume this ? And after I've done so, I 
should be able to run the v4l software in the Debian and OpenSUSE repos, 
yes ?

If you've used a webcam under one of the Linux rt systems, please 
advise, it would be most appreciated.

Best,

dp



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Thu Jul  3 10:35:31 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:35:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0807031635120.11610@notam02.uio.no>


Fons Adriaensen:
>
>> You can't just bombastically spew out things like that without
>> backing it up with some sort of facts or at least arguments.
>
> You asked a question ("maybe the zeros make a difference ?").
>
> You got a correct answer (apart from the irrelevant double/
> float confusion).
>
> You apparently don't like the answer, since you feel it
> necessary to lecture the poster who provided it, using a
> sort of language typical for spoiled mid-puberal teens.
>
> Finally you admit to 'not knowing how it works'.

Sure, it was an immature way to answer. But since there are
a number of reasons why writing simultanious data or zeros
could be faster, it would make sense to write something
other than just the most obvious.

I do of course think that it's pretty unlikely
that zeros are faster, but I wouldn't have added
the "(?)" if I had known "exactly how it works".
(which is what I wrote, not "not knowing how it works")

Well, thanks for correcting me anyway.




From susancragin at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  3 10:50:27 2008
From: susancragin at earthlink.net (Susan Cragin)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:50:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
Message-ID: <13934142.1215096627308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have Intrepid Studio RT on a 386 machine with a built-in webcam.
My webcam does not work with Camorama but does work with Skype for Ubuntu Linux. 
??
That's all I know. I got RT for the audio, not the video, so I haven't experimented.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
>Sent: Jul 3, 2008 10:23 AM
>To: LAU <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
>Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
>
>Greetings,
>
>I purchased a Logitech QuickCam Communicate MP, which is apparently 
>supported by the gspca driver. However, I've made the rather surprising 
>discovery that webcam support is *not* a feature of the 64 Studio and 
>JAD distributions. Ouch.
>
>So if I'm right it appears that I'll have to recompile the kernel for 
>V4L support. Am I correct to assume this ? And after I've done so, I 
>should be able to run the v4l software in the Debian and OpenSUSE repos, 
>yes ?
>
>If you've used a webcam under one of the Linux rt systems, please 
>advise, it would be most appreciated.
>
>Best,
>
>dp
>
>_______________________________________________
>Linux-audio-user mailing list
>Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user





From xbran at web.de  Thu Jul  3 11:23:20 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:23:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/3 Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>:
> Greetings,
>
> So if I'm right it appears that I'll have to recompile the kernel for
> V4L support. Am I correct to assume this ? And after I've done so, I
> should be able to run the v4l software in the Debian and OpenSUSE repos,
> yes ?

check your kernel config (in /boot/ directory).
my one has these lines in it:
CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m
CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1=y
CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT=y
CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2=y

> If you've used a webcam under one of the Linux rt systems, please
> advise, it would be most appreciated.

I've got a "hercules webcam deluxe" and had to compile
the ov51x-jpeg driver for it.
v4l version 2 is not supported by this driver currently.


From seablaede at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 12:13:57 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:13:57 -0600
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <486CA1F2.1060901@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
	<20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
	<87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio> <486CA1F2.1060901@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <eb6dc46f0807030913h482336b4j360ff47705c89e2c@mail.gmail.com>

Not certain where you got that from, got a link?  I haven't seen any
evidence of it at any rate.

       Seablade

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:54 AM, david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> plutek-infinity wrote:
>
> > a friend of mine, who uses macs, says
> > there's a dmg file which is a complete single-file image of a cd,
> > used in protools. perhaps that is proprietary.
>
> Don't know if it's proprietary, but I believe Apple is doing away with
> support for the DMG format.
>
> --
> David
> gnome at hawaii.rr.com
> authenticity, honesty, community
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From kritek at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 12:26:31 2008
From: kritek at gmail.com (R Dicaire)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:26:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
	<5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Emanuel Rumpf <xbran at web.de> wrote:
>> So if I'm right it appears that I'll have to recompile the kernel for
>> V4L support. Am I correct to assume this ? And after I've done so, I
>> should be able to run the v4l software in the Debian and OpenSUSE repos,
>> yes ?

> check your kernel config (in /boot/ directory).
> my one has these lines in it:
> CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m
> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1=y
> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT=y
> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2=y

That cam will require this kernel config option enabled as well:

CONFIG_USB_ZC0301

-- 
aRDy Music and Rick Dicaire present:
http://www.ardynet.com
http://www.ardynet.com:9000/ardymusic.ogg.m3u


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul  3 13:17:28 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:17:28 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>	<5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>
	<e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486D09A8.7030601@woh.rr.com>

R Dicaire wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Emanuel Rumpf <xbran at web.de> wrote:
>   
>>> So if I'm right it appears that I'll have to recompile the kernel for
>>> V4L support. Am I correct to assume this ? And after I've done so, I
>>> should be able to run the v4l software in the Debian and OpenSUSE repos,
>>> yes ?
>>>       
>
>   
>> check your kernel config (in /boot/ directory).
>> my one has these lines in it:
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1=y
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT=y
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2=y
>>     
>
> That cam will require this kernel config option enabled as well:
>
> CONFIG_USB_ZC0301
I checked the config in /boot, the entries look exactly as per Emanuel's 
reply. The ZC0301 entry is also marked m.

What do I need to do next ?

Best,

dp





From atte.jensen at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 13:39:03 2008
From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:39:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <486D09A8.7030601@woh.rr.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>	<5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>	<e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>
	<486D09A8.7030601@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <486D0EB7.7070004@gmail.com>

Dave Phillips wrote:

> What do I need to do next ?

Plug it in an loot at dmesg...

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://atte.dk       | http://myspace.com/attejensen
http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk


From atte.jensen at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 13:43:30 2008
From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:43:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
In-Reply-To: <1215078926.3795.3.camel@linux>
References: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807022045460.14014@arima>
	<1215078926.3795.3.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <486D0FC2.40907@gmail.com>

Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> ... but yeah I could give it a go with a
> chorus to spread it a littel...

I'd try with recording additional tracks and panning them all over the 
place (some middle to fatten, some wide to spread). IMHO dubbing beats 
the crap out of any plugin when it comes to warmth, depth and natural feel.

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://atte.dk       | http://myspace.com/attejensen
http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk


From atte.jensen at gmail.com  Thu Jul  3 13:56:02 2008
From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:56:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <61852.88.73.203.26.1214988156.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>
	<486A9DAB.4080908@gmail.com>
	<61852.88.73.203.26.1214988156.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
Message-ID: <486D12B2.8040109@gmail.com>

Leslie P. Polzer wrote:

> So, where can we get it? :)

For the next week, here (automatically deleted after that):

http://atte.dk/download/new_collection.tgz

I don't have the bandwidth to host it permanently, and I was sure it was 
in cvs, but I couldn't find it. Really we need a more premanate way of 
allowing contributions into the collection, I spend sooo much time last 
time organizing, checking for tags, avoiding dublicates etc...

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://atte.dk       | http://myspace.com/attejensen
http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk


From zotz at 100jamz.com  Thu Jul  3 13:58:36 2008
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:58:36 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200807031358.36875.zotz@100jamz.com>

On Thursday 03 July 2008 10:23:24 Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I purchased a Logitech QuickCam Communicate MP, which is apparently
> supported by the gspca driver. However, I've made the rather surprising
> discovery that webcam support is *not* a feature of the 64 Studio and
> JAD distributions. Ouch.
>
> So if I'm right it appears that I'll have to recompile the kernel for
> V4L support. Am I correct to assume this ? And after I've done so, I
> should be able to run the v4l software in the Debian and OpenSUSE repos,
> yes ?
>
> If you've used a webcam under one of the Linux rt systems, please
> advise, it would be most appreciated.

Ubuntu Studio on this box:

~$ uname -a
Linux zriven 2.6.22-15-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Jun 10 11:20:44 UTC 2008 i686 
GNU/Linux

just plugged in a usb webcam for a test for you.

xawtv shows my mug in its window.
>
> Best,
>
> dp

all the best,

drew





From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Thu Jul  3 16:11:14 2008
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:11:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <486D09A8.7030601@woh.rr.com> (Dave Phillips's message of "Thu,
	03 Jul 2008 13:17:28 -0400")
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
	<5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>
	<e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>
	<486D09A8.7030601@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <87abgy3ezh.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> writes:

> I checked the config in /boot

This is not the proper procedure, btw: 

zcat /proc/config.gz

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         http://www. s     t    n m
          irc://irc.  b  -  i  .   e/%23contact
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From xbran at web.de  Thu Jul  3 14:31:43 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:31:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <486D09A8.7030601@woh.rr.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
	<5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>
	<e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>
	<486D09A8.7030601@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807031131md0892e6u3367ea1c5560c791@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/3 Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>:

> What do I need to do next ?

for compiling the driver, install the kernel headers
compile it, install it

load it:
modprobe drivername
(maybe (re-)pluggin in the cam (usb?) will autoload the driver)

check if there is a v4l device
ls -lh /dev/video*

run
gstreamer-properties
to test it


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Jul  3 15:09:49 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:09:49 -1000
Subject: [LAU] iso image from toc?
In-Reply-To: <eb6dc46f0807030913h482336b4j360ff47705c89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87ej6d5f4h.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>	
	<20080702083439.aaa85962.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>	
	<87d4lwil5l.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
	<486CA1F2.1060901@hawaii.rr.com>
	<eb6dc46f0807030913h482336b4j360ff47705c89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486D23FD.7000505@hawaii.rr.com>

I'm not a Mac person since almost 20 years ago, so might have just been 
something read in passing. A quick Google doesn't find anything about 
it, so could just be confusion with something else on my part. Sorry for 
the noise!

Thomas Vecchione wrote:
> Not certain where you got that from, got a link?  I haven't seen any 
> evidence of it at any rate.
> 
>        Seablade
> 
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:54 AM, david wrote:
> 
>     plutek-infinity wrote:
> 
>      > a friend of mine, who uses macs, says
>      > there's a dmg file which is a complete single-file image of a cd,
>      > used in protools. perhaps that is proprietary.
> 
>     Don't know if it's proprietary, but I believe Apple is doing away with
>     support for the DMG format.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From julien at c-lab.de  Thu Jul  3 15:14:15 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:14:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] about LinuxSampler and .art-files
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807032112460.16141@arima>

Hello!
   Does anyone know, if LinuxSampler supports articulations (.art-files)? I 
remember reading something about planning support for this. Is it done yet? It 
seems to be a nice way of making updates for defect or unfinished libraries.
   Kindest regards
           Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Thu Jul  3 16:00:41 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:00:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <486D12B2.8040109@gmail.com>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com> <486A9DAB.4080908@gmail.com>
	<61852.88.73.203.26.1214988156.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<486D12B2.8040109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62880.88.73.224.166.1215115241.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>


> I don't have the bandwidth to host it permanently, and I was sure it was
> in cvs, but I couldn't find it. [..] I spend sooo much time last
> time organizing, checking for tags, avoiding dublicates etc...

That time shouldn't be wasted for nothing. I can host it for the time
being:

  http://viridian-project.de/~sky/zyn_patches_collection.tgz

Enjoy.


> Really we need a more premanate way of
> allowing contributions into the collection,

This would be great for all sorts of things. AMS patchworks, JACK Racks,
etc... it would give GNU/Linux audio community contributions a big
boost.

You don't think we could have a fundraiser for a project like this,
do you? I could afford to do it for some hundred Euro*. It worked for
Ardour, at least...

  Leslie


* actually I'd like to do this for free, but that collides with my need
to eat and have a roof.




From folderol at ukfsn.org  Thu Jul  3 16:08:14 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:08:14 +0100
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <64031.88.73.213.120.1214815118.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:38:38 +0200 (CEST)
"Leslie P. Polzer" <leslie.polzer at gmx.net> wrote:

> 
> > This is a very rich, multi-layered sweeping synth sound <cough>
> >
> > I hope you like it!
> 
> Yeah, I do. Has a lot of richness and depth, just how I like it.
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> 
> > You know, I do think I'm just about beginning to understand how Zyn
> > works :)
> 
> Be sure to share your understanding sometime with us. :)
> 
>   Leslie

I'm very glad you like this, oh and ...

1) twiddle everything

2) the very instant you hear something you like save everything - you
will never be able to duplicate it!


-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From folderol at ukfsn.org  Thu Jul  3 16:09:04 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:09:04 +0100
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>
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	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:48:05 -0500
Reuben Martin <reuben.m at gmail.com> wrote:

> Back on Sunday 29 June 2008, Folderol was like:
> > This is a very rich, multi-layered sweeping synth sound <cough>
> >
> > I hope you like it!
> >
> > P.S.
> >
> > You know, I do think I'm just about beginning to understand how Zyn
> > works :)
> 
> I don't think the default patches that come with Zyn give a very good 
> impression of what it is capable of. I find that I'm often starting with a 
> default patch that sound like it's kinda got the right idea, but not there 
> yet and usually end up with some nice patches. Examples attached.
> 
> -Reuben

Thanks for these. I especially like your changes to the accordion.
-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From folderol at ukfsn.org  Thu Jul  3 16:10:25 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:10:25 +0100
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <486A9DAB.4080908@gmail.com>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:12:11 +0200
Atte Andr? Jensen <atte.jensen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reuben Martin wrote:
> 
> > I don't think the default patches that come with Zyn give a very good 
> > impression of what it is capable of.
> 
> We (the zyn-users) did a collection of user generated patched last year. 
>   I'm not sure at this point in time how to continue this work, but any 
> patches you produce you should consider sending in (maybe just to me).
> 
> If we get enough continous submissions, I think we need to have some 
> kind of system where users can submit patches, similar to how Blue's 
> BlueShare works (you get an account, and upload/manage your own patches, 
> but everyone can download all patches).

Yes we really do need somewhere. I've created quite a few new ones
since you did all that work compiling the list, and I'm sure other
musicians have too. 

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From folderol at ukfsn.org  Thu Jul  3 16:17:04 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:17:04 +0100
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <486D12B2.8040109@gmail.com>
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	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:56:02 +0200
Atte Andr? Jensen <atte.jensen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
> 
> > So, where can we get it? :)
> 
> For the next week, here (automatically deleted after that):
> 
> http://atte.dk/download/new_collection.tgz
> 
> I don't have the bandwidth to host it permanently, and I was sure it was 
> in cvs, but I couldn't find it. Really we need a more premanate way of 
> allowing contributions into the collection, I spend sooo much time last 
> time organizing, checking for tags, avoiding dublicates etc...

These days, I license all my patches as GPL V2 or later. This clarifies
the situation for others. I regard my patches more as 'programs' rather
than 'preformances' with Zyn as the 'interpreter'.

This makes me wonder if Zyn patches could make a viable sourceforge
project. I've no idea how it would be set up though :(

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From musound at jps.net  Thu Jul  3 16:24:11 2008
From: musound at jps.net (Sean Bolton)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:24:11 -0700
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <20080703112449.GA25842@gjcp.net>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
	<62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<20080703112449.GA25842@gjcp.net>
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Hi Gordon,

On Jul 3, 2008, at 4:24 AM, gordonjcp at gjcp.net wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 11:24:51AM +0200, Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
>>
>>> Give it a go and let me know how you get on.
>>
>> I have noticed that the second output isn't labelled (the other one
>> says ?Output Right?).
>
> Ok, I'll look at that this evening.  Which host are you using?

It's line 349:

     pcPortNames[PORT_OUTPUT_L] = strdup ("Output Right");

should be PORT_OUTPUT_R.

Looking forward to trying it out this evening,

-Sean



From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Thu Jul  3 17:47:52 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:47:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Listen to some new Linux-made music
In-Reply-To: <486D0FC2.40907@gmail.com>
References: <1215019670.7199.7.camel@linux>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807022045460.14014@arima>
	<1215078926.3795.3.camel@linux> <486D0FC2.40907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1215121672.4481.0.camel@linux>

Hi Atte

Sure thats the only way to aceive dynamic.

/Sv-e
tor, 03 07 2008 kl. 19:43 +0200, skrev Atte Andr? Jensen:
> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> 
> > ... but yeah I could give it a go with a
> > chorus to spread it a littel...
> 
> I'd try with recording additional tracks and panning them all over the 
> place (some middle to fatten, some wide to spread). IMHO dubbing beats 
> the crap out of any plugin when it comes to warmth, depth and natural feel.
> 



From perodog at gmx.net  Thu Jul  3 22:53:40 2008
From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:53:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
Message-ID: <486D90B4.8000403@gmx.net>

Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
> For a while I've been using the sirlabs.de vocoder plugin:
>
> http://www.sirlab.de/linux/descr_vocoder.html
>
> But it has some problems, notably expecting two inputs but only offering 
> one output.  There was a patch on linuxrockstar which gave it two 
> outputs, but something seemed a bit lacking, still.
>
> An evening of hacking and here we have it:
>
> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/vocoder.tar.bz2
>   
hallo gordon,
this is a most stable vocoder i ever found in linux.
i think that i ll have a lot of fun in the next time with it.

very, very thanks for sharing it and please let us know if/when there 
are any updates available.

cheers,
doc
> It's hard-set to eight bands, all with the same level.  There's a 
> bandspread control to alter the frequency spacing of the partials, and a 
> width control to vary the stereo effect where odd bands go to the left 
> output and even bands go to the right output.
>
> Give it a go and let me know how you get on.
>
> Gordon
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   



From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Fri Jul  4 07:35:06 2008
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:35:06 +0700
Subject: [LAU] New ZynAddSubFX instrument patch
In-Reply-To: <20080703211704.421e9e6e@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
References: <20080629235104.309bd563@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>	<200807011248.05942.reuben.m@gmail.com>	<486A9DAB.4080908@gmail.com>	<61852.88.73.203.26.1214988156.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>	<486D12B2.8040109@gmail.com>
	<20080703211704.421e9e6e@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
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Folderol wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:56:02 +0200
> Atte Andr?? Jensen <atte.jensen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> So, where can we get it? :)
>>>       
>> For the next week, here (automatically deleted after that):
>>
>> http://atte.dk/download/new_collection.tgz
>>
>> I don't have the bandwidth to host it permanently, and I was sure it was 
>> in cvs, but I couldn't find it. Really we need a more premanate way of 
>> allowing contributions into the collection, I spend sooo much time last 
>> time organizing, checking for tags, avoiding dublicates etc...
>>     
>
> These days, I license all my patches as GPL V2 or later. This clarifies
> the situation for others. I regard my patches more as 'programs' rather
> than 'preformances' with Zyn as the 'interpreter'.
>
> This makes me wonder if Zyn patches could make a viable sourceforge
> project. I've no idea how it would be set up though :(
>
>   

something like plugins.linuxaudio.org might work...


Cheers.

-- 
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.





From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Fri Jul  4 09:30:38 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:30:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
Message-ID: <64337.88.73.238.216.1215178238.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>

Attached is an AMS patch.

Connect the first two inputs to the formant and the last two to the carrier.

  Leslie
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 10:05:30 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:05:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
Message-ID: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm very much pist off about those real time kernels!!!

Why is there no decent debian realtime kernel? If they can build 
thousands of kernels for Debian, why not one decent real time kernel?!?!?!?

I'm using now one of musix, but I can't build my nvidia driver on it.

Thats a little problem, but with my normal debian kernel I have wireless 
internet connection with one click...  but  6 of the 10 times on that 
rt-kernel is failed :/ Why???

Maybe linuxaudio.org should  put some  'pressure' on those distro 
builders to include a decent realtime kernel!

...

Does someone have a good kernel for me (debian testing/ unstable)



/d


From lars.luthman at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 10:25:51 2008
From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:25:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <13934142.1215096627308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <1215181551.24370.16.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 10:50 -0400, Susan Cragin wrote:
> I have Intrepid Studio RT on a 386 machine with a built-in webcam.
> My webcam does not work with Camorama but does work with Skype for Ubuntu Linux. 
> ??
> That's all I know. I got RT for the audio, not the video, so I haven't experimented.

There are two different video device APIs for Linux, V4L and V4L2. V4L
is both deprecated and very, very old, but for some reason people keep
writing drivers and software for both - some drivers work with V4L, some
work with V4L2, some programs work with V4L, some programs work with
V4L2. It's a mess.


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From schoappied at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 13:19:07 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:19:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <e754e90807040930q20c12f23nbd433dc171265d78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<e754e90807040930q20c12f23nbd433dc171265d78@mail.gmail.com>
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R Dicaire wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I'm using now one of musix, but I can't build my nvidia driver on it.
>>
>> Thats a little problem, but with my normal debian kernel I have wireless
>> internet connection with one click...  but  6 of the 10 times on that
>> rt-kernel is failed :/ Why???
>>
>> Maybe linuxaudio.org should  put some  'pressure' on those distro
>> builders to include a decent realtime kernel!
>>     
>
> I can sympathize with your frustration. However maybe you should learn
> to build your own. Please try to remember that stock kernels aren't
> specific to your particular configuration, they are simply a "one size
> *tries* to fit all" solution. Its always best to build to your
> specific hardware setup if the stock kernel doesn't meet your needs.
>
> Welcome to open source. Feel free to learn how to change it to suit your needs.
>
> In that same vein, I've had 0 problems with Slackware, Red Hat,
> Ubuntu, Debian testing, using my own custom kernels.
>
> Good luck.
>
>   
I like to learn it. Do you have a good tutorial?

But anyway it would be good if there is a rt kernel in all the distros, 
there are also people who don't like or can't make a rt-kernel.
Like Ubuntu has a real time kernel included...





From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 13:53:11 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:53:11 -0700
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486E5B8B.1020504@gmail.com>
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	<486E5B8B.1020504@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I like to learn it. Do you have a good tutorial?

Good is subjective but you could start with the RT-Wiki:

http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions

There isn't much to building an RT kernel. It's a vanilla kernel with
a couple of patches and a few options turned on. Where I think things
get messy is when they try to build a Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora RT kernel,
etc. Then it depends on whether what those developers have added to
the kernel and whether it's compatible with the RT stuff.

Personally I've NEVER run a Gentoo RT kernel. I'm not sure if one
exists. I use a standard kernel from kernel.org with Ingo's patches.
It has always worked well for me.

>
> But anyway it would be good if there is a rt kernel in all the distros,
> there are also people who don't like or can't make a rt-kernel.
> Like Ubuntu has a real time kernel included...
>

That's a matter of having someone to do the work mostly. Once you
learn you can do it yourself and provide it back to your distro if you
think others want it. Again, for me, I don't run customized
distro-kernels on any machine I work on. Everything is vanilla either
with or without the RT patch set.

Good luck,
Mark


From peter at gotsomeideas.com  Fri Jul  4 14:08:10 2008
From: peter at gotsomeideas.com (Peter Lutz)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:08:10 -0500
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36b63bcd0807041108u30a64ff1t7cb944c5e53ae284@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I'm using now one of musix, but I can't build my nvidia driver on it.
>
In my experience, nvidia drivers are much worse and harder to get working
than the realtime kernel -- even the free software ones. I'd imagine that
specific problem has a lot more to do with those drivers than the rt kernel.
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From seablaede at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 14:11:40 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:11:40 -0600
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Personally I've NEVER run a Gentoo RT kernel. I'm not sure if one
> exists. I use a standard kernel from kernel.org with Ingo's patches.
> It has always worked well for me.
>


Yes one exists, you need to add the realtime overlay to portage.

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From crypto at online.de  Fri Jul  4 14:30:26 2008
From: crypto at online.de (Crypto)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:30:26 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486E5B8B.1020504@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<e754e90807040930q20c12f23nbd433dc171265d78@mail.gmail.com>
	<486E5B8B.1020504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807042030.26629.crypto@online.de>

Hi,

it might be a question of which distro to use as well.

I have had success with sidux (http://www.sidux.com) which in first place is a 
pure debian testing based live linux distribution but can be installed on 
harddisk, usb stick etc. without trouble.

And there is a lively irc based chat offering support at most time of the day.

And there is - which is why I respond to You - a realtime kernel that actually 
does its job. It can be installed via apt-get from a repository, so no 
patching etc. required. Someone was mercyful enough to compile the standard 
kernel with all needed RT stuff involved. Browse the support forum and search 
for "makke" kernels. He has been updating the RT kernel frequently so You 
would not get outdated stuff.

The only drawback so far: there is no *big sigh* 64bit RT kernel. makke wrote 
that he had no success or something.

This distribution sidux is running on my laptop right now while I am writing 
this. The advantage of sidux over ubuntu is that (as I understand it) some 
decicive packages have been adjusted right for use on ubuntu only, so ubuntu 
becomes more and more incompatible with genuine debian.

HTH,
Crypto.

Am Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 19:19:07 schrieb schoappied:

>
> I like to learn it. Do you have a good tutorial?
>
> But anyway it would be good if there is a rt kernel in all the distros,
> there are also people who don't like or can't make a rt-kernel.
> Like Ubuntu has a real time kernel included...
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From brummer- at web.de  Fri Jul  4 14:37:42 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:37:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <200807042030.26629.crypto@online.de>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com> <486E5B8B.1020504@gmail.com>
	<200807042030.26629.crypto@online.de>
Message-ID: <200807042037.42426.brummer-@web.de>

Hi 

I just will confirm what Crypto write. I am never bee frustrated about those 
rt-kernels!

hermann

Am Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 20:30:26 schrieb Crypto:
> Hi,
>
> it might be a question of which distro to use as well.
>
> I have had success with sidux (http://www.sidux.com) which in first place
> is a pure debian testing based live linux distribution but can be installed
> on harddisk, usb stick etc. without trouble.
>
> And there is a lively irc based chat offering support at most time of the
> day.
>
> And there is - which is why I respond to You - a realtime kernel that
> actually does its job. It can be installed via apt-get from a repository,
> so no patching etc. required. Someone was mercyful enough to compile the
> standard kernel with all needed RT stuff involved. Browse the support forum
> and search for "makke" kernels. He has been updating the RT kernel
> frequently so You would not get outdated stuff.
>
> The only drawback so far: there is no *big sigh* 64bit RT kernel. makke
> wrote that he had no success or something.
>
> This distribution sidux is running on my laptop right now while I am
> writing this. The advantage of sidux over ubuntu is that (as I understand
> it) some decicive packages have been adjusted right for use on ubuntu only,
> so ubuntu becomes more and more incompatible with genuine debian.
>
> HTH,
> Crypto.
>
> Am Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 19:19:07 schrieb schoappied:
> > I like to learn it. Do you have a good tutorial?
> >
> > But anyway it would be good if there is a rt kernel in all the distros,
> > there are also people who don't like or can't make a rt-kernel.
> > Like Ubuntu has a real time kernel included...
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From schoappied at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 14:44:20 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:44:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <200807042037.42426.brummer-@web.de>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<486E5B8B.1020504@gmail.com>	<200807042030.26629.crypto@online.de>
	<200807042037.42426.brummer-@web.de>
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Hermann Meyer wrote:
> Hi 
>
> I just will confirm what Crypto write. I am never bee frustrated about those 
> rt-kernels!
>
> hermann
>   

Lets hope I feel that way in a short time ;)


I've build a kernel:

When booting I'll get:
BUG: using smp_processor_id () in preeemtible [00000000] code khelper/1012

but it starts

When I build a rt2500 driver I'll get:


http://pastebin.com/m510079ce








> Am Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 20:30:26 schrieb Crypto:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> it might be a question of which distro to use as well.
>>
>> I have had success with sidux (http://www.sidux.com) which in first place
>> is a pure debian testing based live linux distribution but can be installed
>> on harddisk, usb stick etc. without trouble.
>>
>> And there is a lively irc based chat offering support at most time of the
>> day.
>>
>> And there is - which is why I respond to You - a realtime kernel that
>> actually does its job. It can be installed via apt-get from a repository,
>> so no patching etc. required. Someone was mercyful enough to compile the
>> standard kernel with all needed RT stuff involved. Browse the support forum
>> and search for "makke" kernels. He has been updating the RT kernel
>> frequently so You would not get outdated stuff.
>>
>> The only drawback so far: there is no *big sigh* 64bit RT kernel. makke
>> wrote that he had no success or something.
>>
>> This distribution sidux is running on my laptop right now while I am
>> writing this. The advantage of sidux over ubuntu is that (as I understand
>> it) some decicive packages have been adjusted right for use on ubuntu only,
>> so ubuntu becomes more and more incompatible with genuine debian.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Crypto.
>>
>> Am Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 19:19:07 schrieb schoappied:
>>     
>>> I like to learn it. Do you have a good tutorial?
>>>
>>> But anyway it would be good if there is a rt kernel in all the distros,
>>> there are also people who don't like or can't make a rt-kernel.
>>> Like Ubuntu has a real time kernel included...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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>   



From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 14:57:44 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:57:44 -0700
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<e754e90807040930q20c12f23nbd433dc171265d78@mail.gmail.com>
	<486E5B8B.1020504@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807041053p75d60d74s19a5760610ad1b07@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Thomas Vecchione <seablaede at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Personally I've NEVER run a Gentoo RT kernel. I'm not sure if one
>> exists. I use a standard kernel from kernel.org with Ingo's patches.
>> It has always worked well for me.
>
>
> Yes one exists, you need to add the realtime overlay to portage.
>
>      Seablade
>

I use the pro-audio overlay already. That's not the point, which I
guess I made somewhat obliquely.

The question is whether rt-sources, as built from portage using the
overlay, is based on the vanilla kernel or based on gentoo-sources. I
believe it's built on the vanilla kernel or else we'd be picking which
version of the Gentoo kernel we want to add the patch set to. That's
not what the pro-audio overlay does. It's just patching
vanilla-sources. (If I'm wrong about this let me know but that's the
way it started.)

- Mark


From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 15:02:52 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:02:52 -0700
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <36b63bcd0807041108u30a64ff1t7cb944c5e53ae284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<36b63bcd0807041108u30a64ff1t7cb944c5e53ae284@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Peter Lutz <peter at gotsomeideas.com> wrote:
>> I'm using now one of musix, but I can't build my nvidia driver on it.
>
> In my experience, nvidia drivers are much worse and harder to get working
> than the realtime kernel -- even the free software ones. I'd imagine that
> specific problem has a lot more to do with those drivers than the rt kernel.

rt-sources, as supported by Ingo, Thomas, Steven, Daniel and others,
has *never* supported non-open source video drivers. You can use them
but real-time performance has never been guaranteed, they say it never
will be guaranteed, and don't bother reporting rt-problems if you use
one. The problem with the closed source drivers is there is no way to
look at the code to guarantee it's written in a real-time safe manner.
Therefore you use them at your own risk in terms of real-time
operation.

- Mark


From schivmeister at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 16:53:36 2008
From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:53:36 +0800
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <291cdeab0807041353n7ec0950fwa30f5b0baa47a85b@mail.gmail.com>

I think your frustration is due to a little misunderstanding. If the
inability to install the nvidia driver is cause for this dissatisfaction,
then rest assured that it's not the packager's fault. Installing kernel
modules means placing the files in the correct directory.

A real-time kernel, or any kernel on a distro _will_ have some sort of
"extraver" or "localver". It's the extra characters after the actual linux
version, sometimes/some distros including the -rc or upstream patch version.
Confusing? No worries. Examples galore:

$ uname -r
2.6.25-rt-sidux

$uname -r
2.6.25.4-rt21

Whatever it is, you have to make sure the nvidia stuff go into whatever the
correct -rt kernel directory is in /lib/modules ;) The following are the
steps similar to what a particular distro buildscript takes:

bash NVIDIA-Linux*pkg0.run --extract-only
cd NVIDIA-Linux*pkg0
cd usr/src/nv/
ln -s Makefile.kbuild Makefile
make SYSSRC=/lib/modules/$thelibmoduledirasshownabove/build module
install -m644 nvidia.ko /lib/modules/$asabove/kernel/drivers/video/
depmod -v $asbove
rmmod nvidia
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE

Maybe there's a command you can use try run a help on the proprietary
executable. Then, there are other packages like ndiswrapper - and oh yeah
catalyst who can forget that one - that may need a little hack or two on the
rt-patched kernel. A checklist:

1) Upstream kernel
2) Upstream kernel patchset
3) RT kernel patchset
4) Apply whatever hacks needed (so far only catalyst/fglrx needs one)
5) Install proprietary module to correct directory
6) Good luck and enjoy!

As for performance, I've always been having better with older kernels as
newer ones roll out. I'm currently on 2.6.23.1-rt11 :) Realtime performance
actually is no longer a problem. It used to be a problem sometime ago, but
after migration to pam security and all that it's become a breeze. On
Windows recording with my laptop's Intel HDA is a no-go @ > 500ms latency +
ASIO-4-All, but on Linux I get 20+-.
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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Fri Jul  4 17:19:02 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:19:02 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>
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Greetings,

Big thanks to everyone who replied, I appreciate the input.

I got things working to some extent simply by creating the /dev/video0 
device node, thanks to some instructions found on Google. The I plugged 
in the webcam, started xawtv4, and voila, there was my big face on-screen.

Alas, xawtv4 is the only app I have working. Luvcview, motv, freej, all 
start okay, the camera's light comes on, but no video appears in their 
displays. I'll keep playing with their configuration files, I'm sure I'm 
missing some detail.

It's a start. :)

Best,

dp



From reuben.m at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 18:58:01 2008
From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:58:01 -0500
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>

Back on Friday 04 July 2008, Mark Knecht was like:
> The question is whether rt-sources, as built from portage using the
> overlay, is based on the vanilla kernel or based on gentoo-sources. I
> believe it's built on the vanilla kernel or else we'd be picking which
> version of the Gentoo kernel we want to add the patch set to. That's
> not what the pro-audio overlay does. It's just patching
> vanilla-sources. (If I'm wrong about this let me know but that's the
> way it started.)
>

You can apply the rt patchset against both the vanilla or gentoo-sources. 
There is very little difference between the gentoo-sources and the vanilla 
kernel. The only thing added to gentoo-sources are patches to fix things on 
specific architectures (usually solaris) and a couple small insignificant 
drivers. That's it.

I personally apply the rt patch set against the gentoo sources. Have for quite 
a while. No problems. (You will get two errors when applying the patchset. 
Both are trivial crap that doesn't matter. One for a set of brackets which 
aren't needed anyway where the framebuffer driver is added on, and another 
when it tries to change the name of the kernel which you can change yourself 
in the config menu if you want.)

-Reuben



From gordonjcp at gjcp.net  Fri Jul  4 19:03:56 2008
From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:03:56 +0100
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <EA8B669F-47DC-4D43-B744-F5AE896E6DAB@jps.net>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>	<62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>	<20080703112449.GA25842@gjcp.net>
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Thanks for your comments, and thank you Leslie for pointing out a bug 
and Sean for pointing out the fix.

Since it's all in a fairly fluid state, I'll just point you at the svn repo

svn co svn://www.nekosynth.co.uk/nekosynth/wip/vocoder/trunk/

Next up, improve the intelligibility...

Gordon



From hollunder at gmx.at  Fri Jul  4 19:42:35 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 01:42:35 +0200
Subject: [LAU] How to listen to songs on myspace without proprietary
	software?
Message-ID: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

Hi,
sorry if you feel that it's kinda off-topic.

A lot of music nowadays can be found only on internet platforms like
youtube, myspace and so on, and they need flash and similar stuff to
work.
For youtube, there are ways, a totem plug-in does the job well for me,
I can watch videos and search.
With myspace the story is different. The gnash plug-in that is
currently available in ubuntu kinda works with some stuff, but is often
totally unusable, and that's how it is with myspace.

So the big question is: Is there a way to listen to songs on myspace
without using proprietary software?

Thanks in advance,
best regards,
	Philipp


From peter at gotsomeideas.com  Fri Jul  4 20:19:54 2008
From: peter at gotsomeideas.com (Peter Lutz)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:19:54 -0500
Subject: [LAU] How to listen to songs on myspace without proprietary
	software?
In-Reply-To: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <36b63bcd0807041719m28b5664bv5093baf0baf9ffb2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in the same boat as you. Unfortunately, I haven't found a solution that
works for myspace songs either. I'm using a CVS version of Gnash 0.8.3
(probably not the most recent one though) and that didn't help. It seems
like their should be a Firefox plugin for this, but I have yet to find one
that works.

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, <hollunder at gmx.at> wrote:

> Hi,
> sorry if you feel that it's kinda off-topic.
>
> A lot of music nowadays can be found only on internet platforms like
> youtube, myspace and so on, and they need flash and similar stuff to
> work.
> For youtube, there are ways, a totem plug-in does the job well for me,
> I can watch videos and search.
> With myspace the story is different. The gnash plug-in that is
> currently available in ubuntu kinda works with some stuff, but is often
> totally unusable, and that's how it is with myspace.
>
> So the big question is: Is there a way to listen to songs on myspace
> without using proprietary software?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> best regards,
>        Philipp
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From bjornw at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 20:32:55 2008
From: bjornw at gmail.com (Bjorn Westergard)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:32:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <486EAC5C.80702@gjcp.net>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
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I'd love nothing more than for someone to add support for an arbitrary
number of bands in that vocoder plugin. Even just a high number of
bands hardcoded would be great. I looked through the code myself, but
didn't see an obvious way to do it...

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp at gjcp.net> wrote:
> Thanks for your comments, and thank you Leslie for pointing out a bug
> and Sean for pointing out the fix.
>
> Since it's all in a fairly fluid state, I'll just point you at the svn repo
>
> svn co svn://www.nekosynth.co.uk/nekosynth/wip/vocoder/trunk/
>
> Next up, improve the intelligibility...
>
> Gordon
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



-- 
- Bjorn


From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 20:55:42 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:55:42 -0700
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
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	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Reuben Martin <reuben.m at gmail.com> wrote:
> Back on Friday 04 July 2008, Mark Knecht was like:
>> The question is whether rt-sources, as built from portage using the
>> overlay, is based on the vanilla kernel or based on gentoo-sources. I
>> believe it's built on the vanilla kernel or else we'd be picking which
>> version of the Gentoo kernel we want to add the patch set to. That's
>> not what the pro-audio overlay does. It's just patching
>> vanilla-sources. (If I'm wrong about this let me know but that's the
>> way it started.)
>>
>
> You can apply the rt patchset against both the vanilla or gentoo-sources.
> There is very little difference between the gentoo-sources and the vanilla
> kernel. The only thing added to gentoo-sources are patches to fix things on
> specific architectures (usually solaris) and a couple small insignificant
> drivers. That's it.
>
> I personally apply the rt patch set against the gentoo sources. Have for quite
> a while. No problems. (You will get two errors when applying the patchset.
> Both are trivial crap that doesn't matter. One for a set of brackets which
> aren't needed anyway where the framebuffer driver is added on, and another
> when it tries to change the name of the kernel which you can change yourself
> in the config menu if you want.)
>
> -Reuben
>
Reuben,
   So this fits my scenario exactly. Why apply the patch set against a
Gentoo kernel with useless patches if you can just do

emerge rt-sources

and get the vanilla kernel with the rt-patch set and no error
messages? What value do you get out of doing any of that work by hand?

- Mark


From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Sat Jul  5 03:18:47 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:18:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <f20f14250807041732n254c0983n1d00c30536ecee53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
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	<EA8B669F-47DC-4D43-B744-F5AE896E6DAB@jps.net>
	<486EAC5C.80702@gjcp.net>
	<f20f14250807041732n254c0983n1d00c30536ecee53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63501.88.73.216.143.1215242327.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>


> I'd love nothing more than for someone to add support for an arbitrary
> number of bands in that vocoder plugin. Even just a high number of
> bands hardcoded would be great. I looked through the code myself, but
> didn't see an obvious way to do it...

Change MAX_BANDS?

  Leslie



From pieterp at joow.be  Sat Jul  5 08:57:29 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:57:29 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE
In-Reply-To: <1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost> <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>	
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>

Chris Wenn wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 14:26 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote:
> 
>> Please provide debug logs as described in the README in the ffado tarball.
>>
>> Pieter
> 
> Hi Pieter
> 
> this is the output of: 
> 
> jackd -v -R -d firewire -v6 2> jack_log.log
> 
> Thanks for your assistance.
> 
I also need the output of the diag tool.

Greets,

Pieter



From christopher.wenn at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 11:10:51 2008
From: christopher.wenn at gmail.com (Chris Wenn)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:10:51 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE
In-Reply-To: <486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost>  <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost>  <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost>  <486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>
Message-ID: <1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 14:57 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote:
> > 
> I also need the output of the diag tool.
> 
> Greets,
> 
> Pieter
> 

OK - sorry.

Here it is.
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 11:46:31 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:46:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>

Reuben Martin wrote:
> Back on Friday 04 July 2008, Mark Knecht was like:
>   
>> The question is whether rt-sources, as built from portage using the
>> overlay, is based on the vanilla kernel or based on gentoo-sources. I
>> believe it's built on the vanilla kernel or else we'd be picking which
>> version of the Gentoo kernel we want to add the patch set to. That's
>> not what the pro-audio overlay does. It's just patching
>> vanilla-sources. (If I'm wrong about this let me know but that's the
>> way it started.)
>>
>>     
>
> You can apply the rt patchset against both the vanilla or gentoo-sources. 
> There is very little difference between the gentoo-sources and the vanilla 
> kernel. The only thing added to gentoo-sources are patches to fix things on 
> specific architectures (usually solaris) and a couple small insignificant 
> drivers. That's it.
>
> I personally apply the rt patch set against the gentoo sources. Have for quite 
> a while. No problems. (You will get two errors when applying the patchset. 
> Both are trivial crap that doesn't matter. One for a set of brackets which 
> aren't needed anyway where the framebuffer driver is added on, and another 
> when it tries to change the name of the kernel which you can change yourself 
> in the config menu if you want.)
>
> -Reuben
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a 
rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:

processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)

and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.

Can anyone confirm this?

 


From schivmeister at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 13:06:20 2008
From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 01:06:20 +0800
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
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They are right to an extent. In fact, one can pretty much do a lot with just
today's stock kernel minus even the low-resolution timers. This does not,
however, nullify the need for a dedicated rt setup which by the way requires
Ingo's patch. Take a look at it, and it's a huge bunch of change. This also
means that more and more of his code is getting merged upstream so sooner or
later we may not need a separate -rt patch, but that is not now.
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From aym-psd at teaser.fr  Sat Jul  5 13:08:09 2008
From: aym-psd at teaser.fr (Andre Majorel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:08:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
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On 2008-07-02 08:42 +0200, schoappied wrote:

> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 

Guitar-sized acoustic basses ? IME, they sound like shit. May have
to do with the case being too small to resonate effectively at low
frequencies.

-- 
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Do not use this account for regular correspondence.
See the URL above for contact information.


From reuben.m at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 13:08:59 2008
From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:08:59 -0500
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
	<486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807051208.59534.reuben.m@gmail.com>

Back on Saturday 05 July 2008, schoappied was like:
> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>
> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
>
> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?

The vanilla kernel is a lot better than it used to be, and you may get by with 
those settings for general audio work, but it is still nowhere near the rt 
patched kernel.

-Reuben




From bjornw at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 13:40:13 2008
From: bjornw at gmail.com (Bjorn Westergard)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:40:13 -0400
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <63501.88.73.216.143.1215242327.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
	<62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
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Would that work? I don't think the code is written that way...

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Leslie P. Polzer <leslie.polzer at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> I'd love nothing more than for someone to add support for an arbitrary
>> number of bands in that vocoder plugin. Even just a high number of
>> bands hardcoded would be great. I looked through the code myself, but
>> didn't see an obvious way to do it...
>
> Change MAX_BANDS?
>
>  Leslie
>
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>



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From ken at restivo.org  Sat Jul  5 14:46:12 2008
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:46:12 -0700
Subject: [LAU] How to listen to songs on myspace without
	proprietary	software?
In-Reply-To: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <20080705184612.GE6534@restivo.org>

On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 01:42:35AM +0200, hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> Hi,
> sorry if you feel that it's kinda off-topic.
> 
> A lot of music nowadays can be found only on internet platforms like
> youtube, myspace and so on, and they need flash and similar stuff to
> work.
> For youtube, there are ways, a totem plug-in does the job well for me,
> I can watch videos and search.
> With myspace the story is different. The gnash plug-in that is
> currently available in ubuntu kinda works with some stuff, but is often
> totally unusable, and that's how it is with myspace.
> 
> So the big question is: Is there a way to listen to songs on myspace
> without using proprietary software?
>

This drives me nuts. I am on a 64-bit system so there's no Flash for me. I have come up with the following hokey solution for listening to MySpace music:

1) I have a fully-working Windoze 98 installion in a QEMU virtual partition file.

2) I launch QEMU as follows: qemu -soundhw sb16 -m 256 -daemonize -usbdevice tablet -net nic,model=ne2k_pci -net user  -hda /location/of/dos-partition

3) In a separate terminal, fire up a program called "urlsnarf", with: sudo urlsnarf |grep cache

4) I fire up Firefox inside the Windoze emulation, visit the foul MySpace page, and click on the music.

5) When the audio file (it's always got "cache" in its path) floats by on urlsnarf, I *quickly* copy the URL and paste it into a third terminal, to wget it to my linux box, as: wget -O name-of-band-01.mp3 "http://long.myspace.url?with&lots%of&junk%in&it". the "-O" option is required because otherwise the name of the file would be too long. Note that the url will appear again in urlsnarf, but I ignore its second occurrence, because it was caused by my wget.

6) I click on the "stop" button in the MySpace player, then click on the next song in the band's queue, and click on it, and repeat the steps above.

7) I have to keep the MySpace page open until all the songs have been done downloading. When I'm done, I shut down the virtual Windows session in QEMU. Then, I can listen to the songs using mplayer or mpg123 or whatever. 

As you might imagine, I don't do this very often. It is a huge PITA.

-ken


From ilfhi at gmx.de  Sat Jul  5 15:01:17 2008
From: ilfhi at gmx.de (Nils Gey)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:01:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] How to listen to songs on myspace without proprietary
 software?
In-Reply-To: <20080705184612.GE6534@restivo.org>
References: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<20080705184612.GE6534@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <20080705210117.3ab966ac.ilfhi@gmx.de>

I know this problem.

I'm on 64studio (debian). I tried this and that but the only thing which was statisfying was a 32bit Firefox. I found a Ubuntu-tutorial, which works for Debian64, which describes how you can install 32bit Firefox without using a chroot enviroment. I actually don't know where it is. Maybe It was in German.

But its easy to install, easy to use and its just one programm.

Otherwise... search for gnash developers.

Nils

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:46:12 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 01:42:35AM +0200, hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> > Hi,
> > sorry if you feel that it's kinda off-topic.
> > 
> > A lot of music nowadays can be found only on internet platforms like
> > youtube, myspace and so on, and they need flash and similar stuff to
> > work.
> > For youtube, there are ways, a totem plug-in does the job well for me,
> > I can watch videos and search.
> > With myspace the story is different. The gnash plug-in that is
> > currently available in ubuntu kinda works with some stuff, but is often
> > totally unusable, and that's how it is with myspace.
> > 
> > So the big question is: Is there a way to listen to songs on myspace
> > without using proprietary software?
> >
> 
> This drives me nuts. I am on a 64-bit system so there's no Flash for me. I have come up with the following hokey solution for listening to MySpace music:
> 
> 1) I have a fully-working Windoze 98 installion in a QEMU virtual partition file.
> 
> 2) I launch QEMU as follows: qemu -soundhw sb16 -m 256 -daemonize -usbdevice tablet -net nic,model=ne2k_pci -net user  -hda /location/of/dos-partition
> 
> 3) In a separate terminal, fire up a program called "urlsnarf", with: sudo urlsnarf |grep cache
> 
> 4) I fire up Firefox inside the Windoze emulation, visit the foul MySpace page, and click on the music.
> 
> 5) When the audio file (it's always got "cache" in its path) floats by on urlsnarf, I *quickly* copy the URL and paste it into a third terminal, to wget it to my linux box, as: wget -O name-of-band-01.mp3 "http://long.myspace.url?with&lots%of&junk%in&it". the "-O" option is required because otherwise the name of the file would be too long. Note that the url will appear again in urlsnarf, but I ignore its second occurrence, because it was caused by my wget.
> 
> 6) I click on the "stop" button in the MySpace player, then click on the next song in the band's queue, and click on it, and repeat the steps above.
> 
> 7) I have to keep the MySpace page open until all the songs have been done downloading. When I'm done, I shut down the virtual Windows session in QEMU. Then, I can listen to the songs using mplayer or mpg123 or whatever. 
> 
> As you might imagine, I don't do this very often. It is a huge PITA.
> 
> -ken
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 15:06:21 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:06:21 -0700
Subject: [LAU] How to listen to songs on myspace without proprietary
	software?
In-Reply-To: <20080705185805.GA6963@restivo.org>
References: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<20080705184612.GE6534@restivo.org>
	<df41a9e40807051149x6d83095p78c0c0f13395d378@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080705185805.GA6963@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807051206g3cc21231v1aefbe1839480904@mail.gmail.com>

> I know this problem.
>
> I'm on 64studio (debian). I tried this and that but the only thing which was statisfying was a 32bit Firefox. I found a Ubuntu-tutorial, which works for Debian64, which describes how you can install 32bit Firefox without using a chroot enviroment. I actually don't know where it is. Maybe It was in German.
>
> But its easy to install, easy to use and its just one programm.

you can run 64bit firefox and use nspluginwrapper to run the 32bit flash
http://gwenole.beauchesne.info//en/projects/nspluginwrapper

You also have to set the 32bit emulation in the kernel. If you have
gentoo, here's some instructions. If not, it'll give you the way to do
it.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Flash_9_and_Firefox


From Nicolai.Beuermann at gmx.de  Sat Jul  5 15:32:50 2008
From: Nicolai.Beuermann at gmx.de (Nicolai Beuermann)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:32:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Magic?
Message-ID: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>

is something like this 
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna&L=0
imagined or actually realised in linux audio world?

Sorry to be slightly off topic.

nico
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From lau at kudla.org  Sat Jul  5 16:10:18 2008
From: lau at kudla.org (Rob)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 16:10:18 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Magic?
In-Reply-To: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>
References: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <200807051610.18792.lau@kudla.org>

On Saturday 05 July 2008 15:32, Nicolai Beuermann wrote:
> is something like this
> http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna&L=0
> imagined or actually realised in linux audio world?

I've heard of pitch correction LADSPA plugins for Linux, but nothing 
for any platform that does what this appears to do.  If it works well 
with real-world recordings, it'll revolutionize the recording process 
much as Autotune did a decade ago.... for better or possibly worse.

Then again, Melodyne has always been a tweakier competitor to Autotune 
if I remember correctly, so maybe Antares has something like this up 
their sleeve as well.  Also, while Celemony claims "patent pending" 
on their polyphonic pitch correction, these guys seem to have done it 
first and might have prior art -- I don't know if they've published 
their software or if they're maybe even related to Celemony:

http://opihi.cs.uvic.ca/Dafx2007/

So if someone comes up with some kind of free software that slices a 
recording up into frequency bands and then does pitch correction 
individually on each band (I assume that's roughly how this works, 
but I'm sure someone reading this has a better idea), it might not be 
a given that Celemony would be able to (successfully) sue.

Rob


From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Sat Jul  5 16:20:20 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:20:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <f20f14250807051040l193d4dbicf05d9427316653e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
	<62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<20080703112449.GA25842@gjcp.net>
	<EA8B669F-47DC-4D43-B744-F5AE896E6DAB@jps.net>
	<486EAC5C.80702@gjcp.net>
	<f20f14250807041732n254c0983n1d00c30536ecee53@mail.gmail.com>
	<63501.88.73.216.143.1215242327.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<f20f14250807051040l193d4dbicf05d9427316653e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63081.88.73.208.203.1215289220.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>


> Would that work? I don't think the code is written that way...

I don't have the whole code in my head[1], but a quick skim
of the source strongly suggests that this will work.

What makes you think it wouldn't?

  Leslie

[1] http://www.paulgraham.com/head.html



From ilfhi at gmx.de  Sat Jul  5 16:30:04 2008
From: ilfhi at gmx.de (Nils Gey)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:30:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] How to listen to songs on myspace without proprietary
 software?
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807051205n5e0f21edq4e4ce760b0b9831f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<20080705184612.GE6534@restivo.org>
	<20080705210117.3ab966ac.ilfhi@gmx.de>
	<df41a9e40807051205n5e0f21edq4e4ce760b0b9831f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080705223004.10554d71.ilfhi@gmx.de>

Thats right, the wrapper is there. For me it has not worked fully, but maybe thats a different thing. BUT even then a 64bit firefox is not ready to use the Web 2.0 fully. The google toolbaris not working in 64bit, for example. And there are other things. Of course, standard html browsing just works fine, but in a creative enviroment one needs more.

Nils

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:05:31 -0700
"Brad Fuller" <bradallenfuller at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Nils Gey <ilfhi at gmx.de> wrote:
> > I know this problem.
> >
> > I'm on 64studio (debian). I tried this and that but the only thing which was statisfying was a 32bit Firefox. I found a Ubuntu-tutorial, which works for Debian64, which describes how you can install 32bit Firefox without using a chroot enviroment. I actually don't know where it is. Maybe It was in German.
> >
> > But its easy to install, easy to use and its just one programm.
> 
> you can run 64bit firefox and use nspluginwrapper to run the 32bit flash
> http://gwenole.beauchesne.info//en/projects/nspluginwrapper
> 
> You also have to set the 32bit emulation in the kernel. If you have
> gentoo, here's some instructions. If not, it'll give you the way to do
> it.
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Flash_9_and_Firefox
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Brad Fuller
> www.bradfuller.com


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 16:32:11 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:32:11 -0700
Subject: [LAU] E-MU 1820M alsa support
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>

The alsa page says that the E-MU 1820M is supported in version 1.0.14,
so this device should be supported now. Anyone use the device? If so,
how well does it play with alsa?

-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 16:35:04 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:35:04 -0700
Subject: [LAU] How to listen to songs on myspace without proprietary
	software?
In-Reply-To: <20080705223004.10554d71.ilfhi@gmx.de>
References: <20080705014235.4de22e33@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<20080705184612.GE6534@restivo.org>
	<20080705210117.3ab966ac.ilfhi@gmx.de>
	<df41a9e40807051205n5e0f21edq4e4ce760b0b9831f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080705223004.10554d71.ilfhi@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807051335g3919af5je5f6214eacd092af@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Nils Gey <ilfhi at gmx.de> wrote:
> Thats right, the wrapper is there. For me it has not worked fully, but maybe thats a different thing. BUT even then a 64bit firefox is not ready to use the Web 2.0 fully. The google toolbaris not working in 64bit, for example. And there are other things. Of course, standard html browsing just works fine, but in a creative enviroment one needs more.
>
> Nils

no doubt support could be better for multimedia in linux in browsers.
But, it works ok for me witht he mplayer plugin and the flash plugin.
Other formats, not so much. I never used the Google toolbar, never
found any use in it.



-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From gordonjcp at gjcp.net  Sat Jul  5 16:52:43 2008
From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:52:43 +0100
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <f20f14250807051040l193d4dbicf05d9427316653e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>	<62786.88.73.224.166.1215077091.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>	<20080703112449.GA25842@gjcp.net>	<EA8B669F-47DC-4D43-B744-F5AE896E6DAB@jps.net>	<486EAC5C.80702@gjcp.net>	<f20f14250807041732n254c0983n1d00c30536ecee53@mail.gmail.com>	<63501.88.73.216.143.1215242327.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<f20f14250807051040l193d4dbicf05d9427316653e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486FDF1B.7050609@gjcp.net>

Bjorn Westergard wrote:
> Would that work? I don't think the code is written that way...
> 
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Leslie P. Polzer <leslie.polzer at gmx.net> wrote:
>>> I'd love nothing more than for someone to add support for an arbitrary
>>> number of bands in that vocoder plugin. Even just a high number of
>>> bands hardcoded would be great. I looked through the code myself, but
>>> didn't see an obvious way to do it...
>> Change MAX_BANDS?

Yes, it will - the original plugin had an OSC control to set the number 
of bands, and MAX_BANDS was set to 16.  I found that with more than 12 
bands the plugin became really unstable and could hammer CPU for no 
readily apparent reason.  Probably ten or twelve bands would be okay.

My plan is to change the highest and lowest filters to be highpass and 
lowpass filters, rather than bandpass.

Gordon


From zotz at 100jamz.com  Sat Jul  5 17:53:11 2008
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:53:11 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Magic?
In-Reply-To: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>
References: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <200807051753.11363.zotz@100jamz.com>

On Saturday 05 July 2008 15:32:50 Nicolai Beuermann wrote:
> is something like this
> http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna&L=0
> imagined or actually realised in linux audio world?
>
> Sorry to be slightly off topic.

I think I need something like that for my vocals...
>
> nico


drew


From christopherstamper at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 18:01:52 2008
From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:01:52 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Magic?
In-Reply-To: <200807051753.11363.zotz@100jamz.com>
References: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>
	<200807051753.11363.zotz@100jamz.com>
Message-ID: <f8ce4b8a0807051501u7ee39c7av97f616ad98268285@mail.gmail.com>

Slightly OT, but is there an autotuner for ardour? Gsnap?


On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 5:53 PM, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:

> On Saturday 05 July 2008 15:32:50 Nicolai Beuermann wrote:
> > is something like this
> > http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna&L=0
> > imagined or actually realised in linux audio world?
> >
> > Sorry to be slightly off topic.
>
> I think I need something like that for my vocals...
> >
> > nico
>
>
> drew
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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From Nicolai.Beuermann at gmx.de  Sat Jul  5 18:02:25 2008
From: Nicolai.Beuermann at gmx.de (Nicolai Beuermann)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:02:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] read after write
Message-ID: <200807060002.25532.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>

Does anybody has an idea to get read after write audio control. More precisely 
howto record mp3 files and listen to the resulting file to monitor the 
recording/encoding process?

thanks
nico
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From markknecht at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 18:16:25 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:16:25 -0700
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>
> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
>
> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?

Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.

Hope this helps,
Mark


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 19:12:05 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:12:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807051516o43cdcc95he0dd050e492943e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	
	<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>	
	<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>	
	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
	<486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807051516o43cdcc95he0dd050e492943e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>   
>> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
>> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>>
>> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
>>
>> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>     
>
> Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
> not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
> set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mark
>
>   
whow, Ive spend I think 20 hours to build a kernel but it constantly 
fails.... :( :( :(

I tried everything with help from IRC and documentation, but different 
errors...

for example: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d

I use a kernel for kernel.org and a rt-patch which fits it...
I patch the files as described in this howto:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I use: make oldconfig (skip the questions with ENTER) and then make xconfig
And set:
rocessor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption 
(Real-Time))
Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ)

Then:
$ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') 
NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg 
--revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd 
kernel_image kernel_headers

Can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build?
Or do I make errors in making the .config file?

This is my hardware, maybe someone can help me making the .config file 
or give me advice for editing xconfig?

http://pastebin.com/m410fbc40

thanks in advance and for the guys at this part of the world, sleep 
well, others have a good day!




From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 19:15:22 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:15:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	
	<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>	
	<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>	
	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
	<486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
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	<486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
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schoappied wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>>  
>>> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
>>> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>>>
>>> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency 
>>> desktop)
>>>
>>> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>>     
>>
>> Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
>> not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
>> set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Mark
>>
>>   
> whow, Ive spend I think 20 hours to build a kernel but it constantly 
> fails.... :( :( :(
>
> I tried everything with help from IRC and documentation, but different 
> errors...
>
> for example: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d
>
> I use a kernel for kernel.org and a rt-patch which fits it...
> I patch the files as described in this howto:
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 
>
>
> I use: make oldconfig (skip the questions with ENTER) and then make 
> xconfig
> And set:
> rocessor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption 
> (Real-Time))
> Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ)
>
> Then:
> $ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') 
> NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg 
> --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot 
> --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers
>
> Can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build?
> Or do I make errors in making the .config file?
>
> This is my hardware, maybe someone can help me making the .config file 
> or give me advice for editing xconfig?
>
> http://pastebin.com/m410fbc40
>
> thanks in advance and for the guys at this part of the world, sleep 
> well, others have a good day!
>
>
>
o ja, the normal kernel 25.2 works just fine.... no problems with 
reading the file system or something and no BUG message.....


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 21:03:23 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:03:23 -0700
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com> <486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807051516o43cdcc95he0dd050e492943e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
>>> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>>>
>>> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
>>>
>>> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>>
>>
>> Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
>> not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
>> set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Mark
>>
>>
> whow, Ive spend I think 20 hours to build a kernel but it constantly
> fails.... :( :( :(
>
> I tried everything with help from IRC and documentation, but different
> errors...
>
> for example: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d
>
> I use a kernel for kernel.org and a rt-patch which fits it...
> I patch the files as described in this howto:
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
>
> I use: make oldconfig (skip the questions with ENTER) and then make xconfig
> And set:
> rocessor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption
> (Real-Time))
> Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ)
>
> Then:
> $ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d')
> NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg
> --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
> kernel_image kernel_headers
>
> Can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build?
> Or do I make errors in making the .config file?

I'm not at all clear what this previous command does. the normal set
of build instructions at this point is very simple

make && make modules_install

Even if that isn't the 'Debian' way, is it possible to build and
install a kernel as the kernel designers intended it or does that not
work on Debian?

Maybe there's another Debian user here who can help you. I'm Gentoo
based and it's pretty straight forward here.

- Mark


From xbran at web.de  Sun Jul  6 03:56:41 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:56:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com> <486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807051516o43cdcc95he0dd050e492943e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807060056n13d6b244l9e9bad645fbc9c5e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/6 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:

> $ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d')
> NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg
> --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
> kernel_image kernel_headers
>

hm..
try one command after one command, so you know which failed.
keep it simple.

make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image


From brummer- at web.de  Sun Jul  6 04:34:01 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:34:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807051516o43cdcc95he0dd050e492943e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807061034.03679.brummer-@web.de>

Hi

I cant open your pastbin adresses ? dont now why. 
But I can tell how I build my rt-kernels.
First download the source (2.6.25.8) from kernel.org and unpack it. Download 
the rt-patch unpack it in the floder over the kernelsource. patch the source 
patch          -p1 <../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7
run make oldconfig
run make xconfig
Now you must make sure that you DONT enable 
General setup >> Group scheduling for SCHED_RR/FIF
there for you need a extra patch !!!
you can find more information about that here:
http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.linux.rt.user/last=/force_load=t
also, if you wont a realtime kernel you have to enable processor type and 
features >> Complete Preemption (Real-Time) 
and enable the highrestimer
the rest is up to your hardware.

i build my kernels with the command:
fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=deinName1 kernel_image

hope it helps
                         hermann
Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 01:12:05 schrieb schoappied:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> > <SNIP>
> >
> >> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
> >> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
> >>
> >> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
> >>
> >> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
> >>
> >> Can anyone confirm this?
> >
> > Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
> > not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
> > set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Mark
>
> whow, Ive spend I think 20 hours to build a kernel but it constantly
> fails.... :( :( :(
>
> I tried everything with help from IRC and documentation, but different
> errors...
>
> for example: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d
>
> I use a kernel for kernel.org and a rt-patch which fits it...
> I patch the files as described in this howto:
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sta
>rt=0
>
> I use: make oldconfig (skip the questions with ENTER) and then make xconfig
> And set:
> rocessor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption
> (Real-Time))
> Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ)
>
> Then:
> $ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d')
> NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg
> --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
> kernel_image kernel_headers
>
> Can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build?
> Or do I make errors in making the .config file?
>
> This is my hardware, maybe someone can help me making the .config file
> or give me advice for editing xconfig?
>
> http://pastebin.com/m410fbc40
>
> thanks in advance and for the guys at this part of the world, sleep
> well, others have a good day!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From ken at restivo.org  Sun Jul  6 04:37:53 2008
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 01:37:53 -0700
Subject: [LAU] LADSPA Vocoder plugin
In-Reply-To: <62888.88.73.224.166.1215071189.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
References: <486C070B.9050205@gjcp.net>
	<62888.88.73.224.166.1215071189.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
Message-ID: <20080706083753.GB590@restivo.org>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:46:29AM +0200, Leslie P. Polzer wrote:
> 
> > For a while I've been using the sirlabs.de vocoder plugin:
> >
> > http://www.sirlab.de/linux/descr_vocoder.html
> >
> > But it has some problems, notably expecting two inputs but only offering
> > one output.  There was a patch on linuxrockstar which gave it two
> > outputs, but something seemed a bit lacking, still.
> 
> What was that?
> 
> 
> > An evening of hacking and here we have it:
> 
> Thank you! :)
> 
> We all love robots, I'm sure.
> 

We're charging up our battery
and now we're full of energy.

We are the robots.
We are the robots.
We are the robots.
We are the robots.

-ken


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 06:01:10 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:01:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <4c84399f0807051902y7d6536fdq8a0c4381ec0f753f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	
	<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>	
	<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>	
	<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>
	<486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>	
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	<4c84399f0807051902y7d6536fdq8a0c4381ec0f753f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487097E6.5030505@gmail.com>

Ronald Stewart wrote:
> the best RT kernel  I have used is the good ol' 64studio version cooked by Free.
> I can run my entire studio environment with Indamixx opening apps such
> as ardour and hydrogen while streaming audio via IDJC over the net on
> battery with wifi and editing in audacity... no xruns no dropout in
> streaming audio while screen brightness/dims all at the same time.
> Likewise I can run idjc with skype and pidgin while doing my audio
> edits and production/multitracking in ardour or audacity with no
> problems.
> 800mhz I gig of RAM > rock solid and pocket sized.
> We worked 14months on this build to get it right for those guys out
> there who don't want to brew their own.  Lastly, we tried RT stuff
> from handy heron, ubuntu studio and others and they are not the type
> of RT that we offer.  I felt great when the off the shelf and home
> brew stuff fell way short of a true pro audio low latency experience.
>
> Thank you
>
> Ronald Stewart
> www.indamixx.com
>
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
>>>>> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>>>>>
>>>>> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
>>>>>
>>>>> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
>>>> not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
>>>> set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> whow, Ive spend I think 20 hours to build a kernel but it constantly
>>> fails.... :( :( :(
>>>
>>> I tried everything with help from IRC and documentation, but different
>>> errors...
>>>
>>> for example: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d
>>>
>>> I use a kernel for kernel.org and a rt-patch which fits it...
>>> I patch the files as described in this howto:
>>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
>>>
>>> I use: make oldconfig (skip the questions with ENTER) and then make xconfig
>>> And set:
>>> rocessor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption
>>> (Real-Time))
>>> Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ)
>>>
>>> Then:
>>> $ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d')
>>> NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg
>>> --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
>>> kernel_image kernel_headers
>>>
>>> Can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build?
>>> Or do I make errors in making the .config file?
>>>       
>> I'm not at all clear what this previous command does. the normal set
>> of build instructions at this point is very simple
>>
>> make && make modules_install
>>
>> Even if that isn't the 'Debian' way, is it possible to build and
>> install a kernel as the kernel designers intended it or does that not
>> work on Debian?
>>
>> Maybe there's another Debian user here who can help you. I'm Gentoo
>> based and it's pretty straight forward here.
>>
>> - Mark
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>     
>
> Where can I find the 64studio kernel and headers?



From schoappied at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 07:57:52 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:57:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <487097E6.5030505@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>		<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>		<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>		<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>	<486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>		<5bdc1c8b0807051516o43cdcc95he0dd050e492943e6@mail.gmail.com>		<486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>		<5bdc1c8b0807051803i71d5beacg3eab74a824963237@mail.gmail.com>	<4c84399f0807051902y7d6536fdq8a0c4381ec0f753f@mail.gmail.com>
	<487097E6.5030505@gmail.com>
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schoappied wrote:
> Ronald Stewart wrote:
>   
>> the best RT kernel  I have used is the good ol' 64studio version cooked by Free.
>> I can run my entire studio environment with Indamixx opening apps such
>> as ardour and hydrogen while streaming audio via IDJC over the net on
>> battery with wifi and editing in audacity... no xruns no dropout in
>> streaming audio while screen brightness/dims all at the same time.
>> Likewise I can run idjc with skype and pidgin while doing my audio
>> edits and production/multitracking in ardour or audacity with no
>> problems.
>> 800mhz I gig of RAM > rock solid and pocket sized.
>> We worked 14months on this build to get it right for those guys out
>> there who don't want to brew their own.  Lastly, we tried RT stuff
>> from handy heron, ubuntu studio and others and they are not the type
>> of RT that we offer.  I felt great when the off the shelf and home
>> brew stuff fell way short of a true pro audio low latency experience.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Ronald Stewart
>> www.indamixx.com
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
>>>>>> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
>>>>> not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
>>>>> set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> whow, Ive spend I think 20 hours to build a kernel but it constantly
>>>> fails.... :( :( :(
>>>>
>>>> I tried everything with help from IRC and documentation, but different
>>>> errors...
>>>>
>>>> for example: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d
>>>>
>>>> I use a kernel for kernel.org and a rt-patch which fits it...
>>>> I patch the files as described in this howto:
>>>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
>>>>
>>>> I use: make oldconfig (skip the questions with ENTER) and then make xconfig
>>>> And set:
>>>> rocessor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption
>>>> (Real-Time))
>>>> Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ)
>>>>
>>>> Then:
>>>> $ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d')
>>>> NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg
>>>> --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
>>>> kernel_image kernel_headers
>>>>
>>>> Can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build?
>>>> Or do I make errors in making the .config file?
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> I'm not at all clear what this previous command does. the normal set
>>> of build instructions at this point is very simple
>>>
>>> make && make modules_install
>>>
>>> Even if that isn't the 'Debian' way, is it possible to build and
>>> install a kernel as the kernel designers intended it or does that not
>>> work on Debian?
>>>
>>> Maybe there's another Debian user here who can help you. I'm Gentoo
>>> based and it's pretty straight forward here.
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> Where can I find the 64studio kernel and headers?
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
I can only find *.udeb packages...
Are there normal *.deb packages or can I get the .config file of the kernel?


From pieterp at joow.be  Sun Jul  6 08:01:17 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:01:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE
In-Reply-To: <1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost> <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>	
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>	
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost> <486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>
	<1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>

Chris Wenn wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 14:57 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote:
>> I also need the output of the diag tool.
>>
>> Greets,
>>
>> Pieter
>>
> 
> OK - sorry.
> 
> Here it is.
> 

Thanks for the information.

Unfortunately I don't have a direct solution for you at the moment.

Apparently the device generates a bus reset right after FFADO starts 
streaming to it. I don't know why this happens.

What you can do to help debug this is:
in config.h.in change:

#define DEBUG_EXTREME_ENABLE                 0
to
#define DEBUG_EXTREME_ENABLE                 1
and recompile/reinstall ffado.

Then run jackd with verbose level of 8, but definitely capture the 
output to a file. it will generate a huge amount of debug output. Send 
me the output log (private mail is ok).

Greets,

Pieter


From perodog at gmx.net  Sun Jul  6 08:12:55 2008
From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:12:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <4870B340.8050207@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>		<eb6dc46f0807041111j56a31820oa88167ed0e9b2ea0@mail.gmail.com>		<5bdc1c8b0807041157r726efd9ah624ce277e1731b71@mail.gmail.com>		<200807041758.01585.reuben.m@gmail.com>	<486F9757.3040405@gmail.com>		<5bdc1c8b0807051516o43cdcc95he0dd050e492943e6@mail.gmail.com>		<486FFFC5.5030503@gmail.com>		<5bdc1c8b0807051803i71d5beacg3eab74a824963237@mail.gmail.com>	<4c84399f0807051902y7d6536fdq8a0c4381ec0f753f@mail.gmail.com>	<487097E6.5030505@gmail.com>
	<4870B340.8050207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4870B6C7.6050907@gmx.net>

schoappied wrote:
> schoappied wrote:
>   
>> Ronald Stewart wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> the best RT kernel  I have used is the good ol' 64studio version cooked by Free.
>>> I can run my entire studio environment with Indamixx opening apps such
>>> as ardour and hydrogen while streaming audio via IDJC over the net on
>>> battery with wifi and editing in audacity... no xruns no dropout in
>>> streaming audio while screen brightness/dims all at the same time.
>>> Likewise I can run idjc with skype and pidgin while doing my audio
>>> edits and production/multitracking in ardour or audacity with no
>>> problems.
>>> 800mhz I gig of RAM > rock solid and pocket sized.
>>> We worked 14months on this build to get it right for those guys out
>>> there who don't want to brew their own.  Lastly, we tried RT stuff
>>> from handy heron, ubuntu studio and others and they are not the type
>>> of RT that we offer.  I felt great when the off the shelf and home
>>> brew stuff fell way short of a true pro audio low latency experience.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Ronald Stewart
>>> www.indamixx.com
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I've read on the debian irc channel that it is not necessary to do a
>>>>>>> rt-patch with the newest kernels (.25.10), just set in menu config:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> processor type and features >> preemtible  kernel (low -latency desktop)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and Timer frequentie to 1000 Hz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone confirm this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Not at all true. That strategy will give you a good kernel, but it is
>>>>>> not a 'real-time' kernel. You're best bet is to use the specific patch
>>>>>> set supplied by Ingo and the RT team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> whow, Ive spend I think 20 hours to build a kernel but it constantly
>>>>> fails.... :( :( :(
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried everything with help from IRC and documentation, but different
>>>>> errors...
>>>>>
>>>>> for example: http://pastebin.com/m5bc649d
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a kernel for kernel.org and a rt-patch which fits it...
>>>>> I patch the files as described in this howto:
>>>>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
>>>>>
>>>>> I use: make oldconfig (skip the questions with ENTER) and then make xconfig
>>>>> And set:
>>>>> rocessor type and features> Preemption Mode (Complete Preemption
>>>>> (Real-Time))
>>>>> Processor type and features>Timer frequency (1000 HZ)
>>>>>
>>>>> Then:
>>>>> $ make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d')
>>>>> NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg
>>>>> --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
>>>>> kernel_image kernel_headers
>>>>>
>>>>> Can it fails because of the new kernel versions I try to build?
>>>>> Or do I make errors in making the .config file?
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> I'm not at all clear what this previous command does. the normal set
>>>> of build instructions at this point is very simple
>>>>
>>>> make && make modules_install
>>>>
>>>> Even if that isn't the 'Debian' way, is it possible to build and
>>>> install a kernel as the kernel designers intended it or does that not
>>>> work on Debian?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe there's another Debian user here who can help you. I'm Gentoo
>>>> based and it's pretty straight forward here.
>>>>
>>>> - Mark
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> Where can I find the 64studio kernel and headers?
>>>     
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>   
>>     
> I can only find *.udeb packages...
> Are there normal *.deb packages or can I get the .config file of the kernel?
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
in 64studio, have a look in the /usr/src directory. there are 3 of 
kernel subdirectories inside (not sure if the number 3 is 100% 
correctly) and in one of them, with 'ls -a' you 'll find the .config file.

cheers,
doc


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sun Jul  6 08:16:33 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:16:33 -0400
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux>
	<486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux>
	<486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux>
	<486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>
Message-ID: <4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com>

Andre Majorel wrote:
> On 2008-07-02 08:42 +0200, schoappied wrote:
>
>   
>> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 
>>     
>
> Guitar-sized acoustic basses ? IME, they sound like shit. May have
> to do with the case being too small to resonate effectively at low
> frequencies.
I agree. I've played a couple "acoustic bass guitars", they did indeed 
sound poorly. I forget the name of the Mexican guitar-like bass, but 
McCabe's (in LA) sold quite a few of those when buyers realized how much 
better they sounded than the $$$ Dreadnaught-style basses.

I think you're right about the resonant characteristics. In truth, the 
sound itself wasn't so bad, it just carried about two feet and just died 
there. No projection worth a damn. Maybe a good sound in studio though ?

Best,

dp



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Jul  6 08:36:36 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:36:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] read after write
In-Reply-To: <mailman.158.1215346451.5922.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.158.1215346451.5922.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061432280.5259@ttleush>


Nicolai Beuermann:
>
> Does anybody has an idea to get read after write audio control. More precisely
> howto record mp3 files and listen to the resulting file to monitor the
> recording/encoding process?
>

Here's a way using jack_capture for recording, lame for converting, and 
mplayer for playing:

(xterm -e 'jack_capture -ws|lame -s 44.1 -V2 -r -x - output.mp3' &) && sleep 2 && mplayer -ao jack output.mp3

(Note that jack_capture v0.17 and v0.18 won't work with the above
options, but all other versions should. V0.19 is just uploaded
to http://old.notam02.no/arkiv/src/.)



From opendaw at jacklab.org  Sun Jul  6 08:45:48 2008
From: opendaw at jacklab.org (Michael Bohle)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:45:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>

Hi,

Since over three years jacklab try to find out what is the best
supported rt-kernel on opensuse. The early self compiled 2.6.x
rt-kernels broke a lot of drivers and it was not easy for users to
extend them with kernel modules or drivers (for nvidia etc) and often
the audio priority was a showstopper (xruns!). We decided to rebuild an
own rt-kernel (incl all suse patches) for JAD 1.0. (based on oS 10.2).

Since 10.3 opensuse offers a kernel-rt, but without the corresponding
kernel modules nor kernel-rt-source for build up a proprietary
nividia driver (needed for dualhead support) and not at least the "rtc
tick is to low" for Rosegarden. 

The opensuse rt-kernel is not for musicians, it is for SLERT, an
enterprise realtime linux. (btw: One of the former LAC founder and
synthgeek Matthias Nargoni is the Novell Manager for SLERT) 

The rt-kernel for oS 11 also doesn't supported well by Suse, still no
sources. But the experienced Suser (free suse package builder)
Jan Engelhard (jengelh) now offers in his repository a good (mature and
fast) rt kernel with nivida-gfx and some kernel modules. He have an
open ear for the needs of musicians. With the 2.6.25.8 (patched with
rt6)  opensuse 11 has a better audio realtime then ever. I can use half
of the buffers that I needed with the rt-kernels from the past. The rt
audio performance is comparable to 64studio (my personal reference
audio linux). 

Packman offers most of the pro audio software we need, since
jacklab and packman joined forces by merging their repositories, and if
there is something missing (like wineasio or dssi-vst), you will find it
in the jacklab repo or in the 100 other repos around the opensuse build
server. http://forum.jacklab.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=794

The situation on opensuse Linux is pretty good for musicians at this
time :) The next time the jacklab devel Olli Bengs (Applelonkel) has
planed to release an installable live dvd named JAD 2.0, a remastered oS
11 for musicians. The jacklab community is very enthusiastic about this
release, because it looks very good, also the 64-bit version (oS
11 x86_64) works well on my test system.

have a nice day!
Michael


Am Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:05:30 +0200
schrieb schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm very much pist off about those real time kernels!!!
> 
> Why is there no decent debian realtime kernel? If they can build 
> thousands of kernels for Debian, why not one decent real time
> kernel?!?!?!?
> 
> I'm using now one of musix, but I can't build my nvidia driver on it.
> 
> Thats a little problem, but with my normal debian kernel I have
> wireless internet connection with one click...  but  6 of the 10
> times on that rt-kernel is failed :/ Why???
> 
> Maybe linuxaudio.org should  put some  'pressure' on those distro 
> builders to include a decent realtime kernel!
> 
> ...
> 
> Does someone have a good kernel for me (debian testing/ unstable)
> 
> 
> 
> /d
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


-- 
Michael Bohle
Vorsitzender
jacklab e.V.

D-27572 Bremerhaven | Am Baggerloch 20

Phone/Fax: +49-471-7004937
Mail: opendaw at jacklab.org
www: http://jacklab.org

B?rozeiten: Mo. - Fr. 12:00 - 18:00 Uhr 
und nach Vereinbarung


From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Jul  6 09:21:27 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:21:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>


Download from:
http://old.notam02.no/arkiv/src/?M=D


jack_capture
============
jack_capture is a program for recording soundfiles with jack. Its default
operation is to capture whatever sound is going out to your speakers into
a file. (But it can do a number of other operations as well...)

Changes 0.9.17 -> 0.9.19:
  *Do not accept filename starting with "-" when filename is last argument.
  *Added the "--filename"/"-fn" option to set filename not
   as the last argument. Can also contain "-" as first character.
  *Fixed colors a bit and removed a superfluous linebreak.
  *Fixed segfault for missing values in commandline.
  *Manually clear allocated memory instead of using calloc.
  *Removed buffer-info line when recording to stdout.
  *Removed printing of "continue recording" when writing the last overruns.
  *Niceify the disk writing thread to -20 when more than half the buffer is used.
  *Continously show buffer usage, total number of overruns and whether
   the disk thread has high priority, in the console. Turn off by using
   the -hdu option.
  *Added option -dc to disable console update. (same as "-dm -hdu")
  *Fancier colors.
  *Removed "hepp".
  *Made dB meter the default and replaced the -dB option with the -lm option.
  *Made the console meter wider to fit the info line at the bottom.



Snd-ls
======
Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND.
(http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/)

Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want
to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve
as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up.

Snd-ls also serves as base code for the San-Dysth softsynth
(http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/sandysth/) and the Snd-rt music
programming language (http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/doc/snd-rt)

Changes 0.9.8.16 -> 0.9.8.17:
  *(read-enable 'positions) has been wrongfully
   turned off for some time. Bactrace should work
   again now. (This only affects people using
   snd-ls for programming.)



Rollendurchmesserzeitsammler
============================

The Audio Rollendurchmesserzeitsammler is a conservative garbage collector
providing general ways to efficiently allocate and use memory
inside a realtime audio thread without having to manually free
it later.

Changes 0.0.1 -> 0.0.4
* Added support for iterior pointers. (Pointers which points inside
   middle of allocated memory). Turned out Stalin depended on this,
   plus that c compiler are free to store pointers in registers
   and stack however they want, so it's better to be safe.
* Fixed header.
* Made it packagable. Write make and make install to install library file
   and header files.
* Added the function tar_get_dynamic_roots_for(char *pointer,char **start,char **end).
   This function requires the source for HBGC:
   http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc/
* Note that there are ways to increase the execution speed
   significantly, I just haven't had the time yet, so this update doesn't
   contain all the changes I wished for.



From pieterp at joow.be  Sun Jul  6 09:51:55 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:51:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost>
	<4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>		<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost>
	<486CC576.7010206@joow.be>		<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost>
	<486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>	<1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost>
	<4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>
Message-ID: <4870CDFB.20402@joow.be>

Pieter Palmers wrote:
> Chris Wenn wrote:
>> On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 14:57 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote:
>>> I also need the output of the diag tool.
>>>
>>> Greets,
>>>
>>> Pieter
>>>
>> OK - sorry.
>>
>> Here it is.
>>
> 
> Thanks for the information.
> 
> Unfortunately I don't have a direct solution for you at the moment.
> 
> Apparently the device generates a bus reset right after FFADO starts 
> streaming to it. I don't know why this happens.
> 
> What you can do to help debug this is:
> in config.h.in change:
> 
> #define DEBUG_EXTREME_ENABLE                 0
> to
> #define DEBUG_EXTREME_ENABLE                 1
> and recompile/reinstall ffado.
> 
> Then run jackd with verbose level of 8, but definitely capture the 
> output to a file. it will generate a huge amount of debug output. Send 
> me the output log (private mail is ok).

Replying to myself: I see that there is a problem when compiling with 
extreme debugging enabled.

you can grab a corrected version by checking out the libffado-2.0 
maintenance branch:
svn co http://subversion.ffado.org/ffado/branches/libffado-2.0 libffado-2.0

Greets,

Pieter


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sun Jul  6 10:17:53 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:17:53 -0400
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
Message-ID: <4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>

Michael Bohle wrote:
> The situation on opensuse Linux is pretty good for musicians at this
> time... [snip]
Hi Michael,

I'm very happy to read this message. I've been pleased with JAD 1.0, but 
I haven't had much time lately to meet with the crew on IRC and I've 
dropped out of touch with what's happening there.

If anyone else has been thinking about trying JAD, give it a go. It's my 
primary 32-bit system, I get excellent performance from it, and the 
devel team has been responsive to problems users have encountered. It is 
a fine system for musicians.

Best,

dp



From v2 at iki.fi  Sun Jul  6 12:16:50 2008
From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:16:50 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Magic?
In-Reply-To: <f8ce4b8a0807051501u7ee39c7av97f616ad98268285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>
	<200807051753.11363.zotz@100jamz.com>
	<f8ce4b8a0807051501u7ee39c7av97f616ad98268285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1215361010.6343.0.camel@mustis>

On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 18:01 -0400, Christopher Stamper wrote:
> Slightly OT, but is there an autotuner for ardour? Gsnap?

I have been dabbling in combining aubio pitch detection to rubber band.
It's still a work in progress and is not near release quality.

Hopefully you will hear of the progress one day..


  Sampo



From fbar at footils.org  Sun Jul  6 16:13:27 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:13:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Magic?
In-Reply-To: <200807051610.18792.lau@kudla.org>
References: <200807052132.50865.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de>
	<200807051610.18792.lau@kudla.org>
Message-ID: <20080706201327.GB5125@fliwatut.scifi>

Hallo,
Rob hat gesagt: // Rob wrote:

> Then again, Melodyne has always been a tweakier competitor to Autotune 
> if I remember correctly, so maybe Antares has something like this up 
> their sleeve as well.  Also, while Celemony claims "patent pending" 
> on their polyphonic pitch correction, these guys seem to have done it 
> first and might have prior art 

Not if both procedures use different algorithms.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 17:54:09 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:54:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>

Dave Phillips wrote:
> Michael Bohle wrote:
>   
>> The situation on opensuse Linux is pretty good for musicians at this
>> time... [snip]
>>     
> Hi Michael,
>
> I'm very happy to read this message. I've been pleased with JAD 1.0, but 
> I haven't had much time lately to meet with the crew on IRC and I've 
> dropped out of touch with what's happening there.
>
> If anyone else has been thinking about trying JAD, give it a go. It's my 
> primary 32-bit system, I get excellent performance from it, and the 
> devel team has been responsive to problems users have encountered. It is 
> a fine system for musicians.
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
I keep having these errors:
when start booting:

resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.1
resume: couldn't not stat the resume device file '/dev/hda3'
please type in the full path name to try again
or press ENTER to boot the system

later:

fsck.ext3 superblok could not write or read (hda3/ hda2...)

corrupt?
if it is a ext3 file, then maybe it is corrupt...
check /var/log/fsck/checkfs


the normal kernel 25.2 runs just nicely....
:(



From xbran at web.de  Sun Jul  6 18:24:00 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:24:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com> <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807061524o36bf7105t592e0491ec73918b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/6 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> I keep having these errors:
> when start booting:
>
> resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.1
> resume: couldn't not stat the resume device file '/dev/hda3'
> fsck.ext3 superblok could not write or read (hda3/ hda2...)
>

have you compiled the filesystem into the kernel (not as module)?
with
  make menuconfig
it is somewhere in
  ..../filesystems/ext2 and ext3


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 18:46:50 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:46:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807061524o36bf7105t592e0491ec73918b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>
	<48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807061524o36bf7105t592e0491ec73918b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48714B5A.2050109@gmail.com>

Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/6 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>   
>> I keep having these errors:
>> when start booting:
>>
>> resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.1
>> resume: couldn't not stat the resume device file '/dev/hda3'
>> fsck.ext3 superblok could not write or read (hda3/ hda2...)
>>
>>     
>
> have you compiled the filesystem into the kernel (not as module)?
> with
>   make menuconfig
> it is somewhere in
>   ..../filesystems/ext2 and ext3
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
Thanks for your help.

I have/had Ext3 journalling file system support (EXT3_FS) as module...


http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/47/snapshot3qa8.png

this is my .config

http://pastebin.com/m1b07a30f


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 19:03:43 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:03:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807061524o36bf7105t592e0491ec73918b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>
	<48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807061524o36bf7105t592e0491ec73918b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48714F4F.9000506@gmail.com>

Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/6 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>   
>> I keep having these errors:
>> when start booting:
>>
>> resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.1
>> resume: couldn't not stat the resume device file '/dev/hda3'
>> fsck.ext3 superblok could not write or read (hda3/ hda2...)
>>
>>     
>
> have you compiled the filesystem into the kernel (not as module)?
> with
>   make menuconfig
> it is somewhere in
>   ..../filesystems/ext2 and ext3
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
should I have this enabled? I seems weird to set it to No_HZ if further 
on Hz is  set to 1000 ... or do i misunderstand this item?

Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) (NO_HZ)

This option enables a tickless system: timer interrupts will
only trigger on an as-needed basis both when the system is
busy and when the system is idle.

And how do I enable my rt2x00 ralink wireless?


From reuben.m at gmail.com  Sun Jul  6 19:21:49 2008
From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:21:49 -0500
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <48714F4F.9000506@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807061524o36bf7105t592e0491ec73918b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48714F4F.9000506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807061821.49183.reuben.m@gmail.com>

Back on Sunday 06 July 2008, schoappied was like:
>
> should I have this enabled? I seems weird to set it to No_HZ if further
> on Hz is  set to 1000 ... or do i misunderstand this item?
>
> Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) (NO_HZ)
>
> This option enables a tickless system: timer interrupts will
> only trigger on an as-needed basis both when the system is
> busy and when the system is idle.
>

It's sort of like using a callback rather than polling to deal with 
interrupts. (not literally, but the analogy works)

It's great for laptops because it helps preserve battery power. It _sounds_ 
like it might be a cool option for real time, but I've tried it and it caused 
all kinds of problems with real time performance. (It also totally hosed 
compiz)

-Reuben


From xbran at web.de  Sun Jul  6 23:34:07 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:34:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com> <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/6 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.1
> resume: couldn't not stat the resume device file '/dev/hda3'
> please type in the full path name to try again
> or press ENTER to boot the system


I fixed this by recreating the initrd image in the /boot directory
with mkinitramfs like:

mkinitramfs initrd.img-2.6.25.8.rt7 2.6.25.8.rt7

(do: apt-get install initramfs-tools fist)


From xbran at web.de  Sun Jul  6 23:36:22 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:36:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com> <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807062036u38c7540kea3fa41b5b0b676e@mail.gmail.com>

> mkinitramfs initrd.img-2.6.25.8.rt7 2.6.25.8.rt7

sorry, I forgot the -o option:
cd /boot
mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.25.8.rt7 2.6.25.8.rt7

(replace the version strings with yours!)


From orl at ammd.net  Mon Jul  7 03:30:25 2008
From: orl at ammd.net (Aurelien)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:30:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux> <486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux> <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux> <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>
	<4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>

On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 08:16:33AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote :
> Andre Majorel wrote:
> > On 2008-07-02 08:42 +0200, schoappied wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 
> >>     
> >
> > Guitar-sized acoustic basses ? IME, they sound like shit. May have
> > to do with the case being too small to resonate effectively at low
> > frequencies.
> I agree. I've played a couple "acoustic bass guitars", they did indeed 
> sound poorly. I forget the name of the Mexican guitar-like bass, but 
> McCabe's (in LA) sold quite a few of those when buyers realized how much 
> better they sounded than the $$$ Dreadnaught-style basses.

Depends on the price you put in, obviously. Actually, I quite agree with
you, I haven't heard a lot sounding well. 



> 
> I think you're right about the resonant characteristics. In truth, the 
> sound itself wasn't so bad, it just carried about two feet and just died 
> there. No projection worth a damn. Maybe a good sound in studio though ?

Not sure it has to deal with
the dimensions finally, as my own bass (acoustic/solid body at the same
time) just sounds awesome with deep basses, and very accurate sound. By
the way, many non-linear acoustics phenomenons permits to get basses
with small-dimensions instruments, and I think you can't think in
another way if you want the instrument to be human-playable. I mean
100Hz is already a 1.7m wavelength, I wouldn't have to play on an
instrument which is sized to produce 20Hz!!!

> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 
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> 

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From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Mon Jul  7 05:04:14 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:04:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <1215066482.7057.6.camel@linux>
References: <mailman.3.1215014402.30914.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<486BD506.20309@iwr.ru.ac.za>  <1215066482.7057.6.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <1215421454.3667.5.camel@linux>

Hey the gig went pretty well.

And the recording was superb with jack_capture, I used 9 channels smooth
and easy.

Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
recording.

/Sv-e
tor, 03 07 2008 kl. 08:28 +0200, skrev Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> Hi 
> 
> I'm no techie but isn't the calculation regarding how fast your harddisk
> must be quite simple, if we assume working in 44100KHz ?
> 
> A normal CD delivers 150Kb pr. second and its two tracks, so storing
> multichannelrecordings in 44100 must be something like 75Kb per second X
> times as X is the number of tracks.
> 
> I have no doubts that my Lenove T61P with sata disk can store more than
> the 75Kb * 18 my RME Multiface offer, else the thing is broken.
> 
> /Sv-e
> ons, 02 07 2008 kl. 21:20 +0200, skrev David Forsyth:
> > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:38:11 +0200 (CEST)
> > From: "Kjetil S. Matheussen"
> > 
> > David Forsyth:
> > >> 
> > >> At this point, I'd be happy to do an 8 track recording.  For
> > >> important live recordings I would not use a laptop, but instead a
> > >> decent desktop with a RAID 0 array of at least 3 SATA2 disks for
> > >> the audio files, with the system on another disk.
> > >> 
> > 
> >  >I think that is complete overkill. I just tried recorded 128 channels 
> >  >of 32bit/44100hz at once, without problem. And my machine is 5 years 
> >  >old 2Gz barebone, using only a single PATA ide disk.
> > 
> >  >This was using jack_capture, and only recording silence (ie. 
> >  >non-connected jack ports). Maybe the silence makes a difference.(?)
> > 
> > I think you're missing all the interrupts that would happen if your 
> > audio hardware was sampling and sending data to the jack ports.
> > and then the conflict between the PCI transfers of that data and the 
> > DMA->PCI transfers to disk...
> > 
> > I had trouble with my 8 channel setup until I sorted out the SATA 
> > settings.  I still say that for a large important (one chance) recording 
> > I'd use more hardware than a laptop can supply, even if I have to hire 
> > it or assemble it specially for the show.
> > 
> >  >256 channels did not work very well though.
> > 
> > heh (-:
> > 
> 
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 05:19:04 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:19:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807062036u38c7540kea3fa41b5b0b676e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>
	<48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807062036u38c7540kea3fa41b5b0b676e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4871DF88.90009@gmail.com>

Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>> mkinitramfs initrd.img-2.6.25.8.rt7 2.6.25.8.rt7
>>     
>
> sorry, I forgot the -o option:
> cd /boot
> mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.25.8.rt7 2.6.25.8.rt7
>
> (replace the version strings with yours!)
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
Thanks:

I did:
 # mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.25.8-rt7 2.6.25.8-rt7

But the errors still remains:

resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.1
> resume: couldn't not stat the resume device file '/dev/hda3'
> please type in the full path name to try again
> or press ENTER to boot the system


when I press enter, I get after a few seconds booting:

fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda2
/dev/hda2
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 
filesystem. If the device is  valid and it really contains an ext2 
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else) then the superblock 
is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsk with an alternate superblock:
e2fsck -b 8193 <device>

fsck died with exit status 8
failed (code 8)


When login in kdm: Could not start kstartupconfig: check your installation.


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Jul  7 09:11:37 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:11:37 -0400
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
Message-ID: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

I've placed two videos online at :

    http://www.vimeo.com/groups/1156/videos/1295336

    http://www.vimeo.com/groups/1156/videos/1295510

Image transformations/animations by the OpenGL shading language (GLSL), 
sound by Csound5, using Jean-Pierre Lemoine's AVSynthesis.

Best,

dp





From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul  7 11:31:45 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:31:45 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <4871DF88.90009@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com> <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807062036u38c7540kea3fa41b5b0b676e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4871DF88.90009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807070831qa6e32f5u92fc097eadb50939@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> I did:
> # mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.25.8-rt7 2.6.25.8-rt7
>
> But the errors still remains

hm .. maybe it was the change to fstab then, that
had an effect on it.

I discovered some problems with lines like this in /etc/fstab :
UUID=13495293458246835258345  /  reiserfs ............etc.

things went better, when replaced with:
/dev/disk/by-uuid/13495293458246835258345  /  reiserfs ............etc.

(directory names instead of "UUID=" (probably more compatible - who knows..))


From markknecht at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 11:50:53 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:50:53 -0700
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <48714B5A.2050109@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com> <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807061524o36bf7105t592e0491ec73918b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48714B5A.2050109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807070850q11d8f2ffr1b517d1e9a7c16dd@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 3:46 PM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>> 2008/7/6 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I keep having these errors:
>>> when start booting:
>>>
>>> resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.1
>>> resume: couldn't not stat the resume device file '/dev/hda3'
>>> fsck.ext3 superblok could not write or read (hda3/ hda2...)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> have you compiled the filesystem into the kernel (not as module)?
>> with
>>   make menuconfig
>> it is somewhere in
>>   ..../filesystems/ext2 and ext3
>> _______________________________________________
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I have/had Ext3 journalling file system support (EXT3_FS) as module...
>
>

So if I'm understanding this correctly, and likely I'm not, then you
get through grub and then the kernel fails to understand your hard
drive. If you are using ext2/ext3 drive formatting then why are you
building ext3 support as a module? It's not large and is useful or
even needed during boot. I think you should consider building ext2/3
support into the kernel.

I've never seen the libgcrypt messages myself. Did you use some sort
of encrypted file system? Or is this because you're including some
encryption support in the kernel?

- Mark


From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul  7 11:56:06 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:56:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU]  debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>

I thought, it would probably help some of you, if I uploaded
my rt-config for a 2.6.25.8 realtime kernel (debian system).

# get my kernel config:
wget http://branwelt.de/download/config.gz

(this is all without any warrenty, use at your own risc)

Below is also a kind of script, that should do the whole procedure
for creating a 2.6.25.8 realtime kernel on a debian based system.

I have not testet this script.
I would recommend, to past command for command, and see if it is
working for you. (it should)
This is how I build the kernel I'm currently using.

Note: The config has the realtime-patch applied, but is not
strictly configured for realtime:
I let enabled acpi and cpu-frequency scaling,
because performance was good enough for my requirements
(2.67ms latency at 48000hz samplerate according to qjackctl).
If you encounter xruns, disable these options with "make menuconfig"
(see bottom)

I tried to keep the config general, so it may be usable on other
systems as well.
It is based on a sidux ~ 2.6.21 configuration, including updates for 2.6.25


start of the command list:
#############################################################
#############################################################


mkdir my_realtime_kernel
cd my_realtime_kernel



# get my kernel config
wget http://branwelt.de/download/config.gz

# get the kernel
wget http://www.eu.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.25.8.tar.bz2

# get rt-patch
wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2


# unpack
tar xfj linux-2.6.25.8.tar.bz2
tar xfj patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2

# create a symbolic link
ln -s linux-2.6.25.8 linux
cd linux



# apply patch
patch -p1 < ../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7

# move config to right place
zcat ../config.gz > ./.config


# now edit the Makefile
# change the line with EXTRAVERSION (without #) to:
# EXTRAVERSION = .8.rt7.em1


# optionally do make oldconfig
# or make menuconfig here


# make the kernel
make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
cd ..


# finally install the kernel with a command like
# dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.25.8.rt7.em1_2.6.25.8.rt7.em1-10.00.Custom_i386.deb




#############################################################
#############################################################


From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 12:25:22 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:25:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807070831qa6e32f5u92fc097eadb50939@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>
	<48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807062036u38c7540kea3fa41b5b0b676e@mail.gmail.com>	<4871DF88.90009@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807070831qa6e32f5u92fc097eadb50939@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48724372.1050000@gmail.com>

Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>   
>> I did:
>> # mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.25.8-rt7 2.6.25.8-rt7
>>
>> But the errors still remains
>>     
>
> hm .. maybe it was the change to fstab then, that
> had an effect on it.
>
> I discovered some problems with lines like this in /etc/fstab :
> UUID=13495293458246835258345  /  reiserfs ............etc.
>
> things went better, when replaced with:
> /dev/disk/by-uuid/13495293458246835258345  /  reiserfs ............etc.
>
> (directory names instead of "UUID=" (probably more compatible - who knows..))
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
I'm glad I can use the 64studio kernel now and have wireless internet 
working.


When looking at my fstab file, its looking fine to my, but I question if 
the mount option for /hda3 is fine.... <none>

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
/dev/hda1       /               ext3    errors=remount-ro 0       1
/dev/hda2       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
/dev/hda3       none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0




From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 12:29:56 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:29:56 -0700
Subject: [LAU] E-MU 1820M alsa support
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>

wow, no one has an E-MU 1820? I'm surprised. Maybe I should check the
-dev group.
It's between an E-MU 1820 and a Layla3G. Both seem to be about equal in caps.

thanks,

brad

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Brad Fuller <bradallenfuller at gmail.com> wrote:
> The alsa page says that the E-MU 1820M is supported in version 1.0.14,
> so this device should be supported now. Anyone use the device? If so,
> how well does it play with alsa?
>
> --
> Brad Fuller
> www.bradfuller.com
>



-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 13:04:55 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:04:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <48724372.1050000@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com>	<48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807062036u38c7540kea3fa41b5b0b676e@mail.gmail.com>	<4871DF88.90009@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807070831qa6e32f5u92fc097eadb50939@mail.gmail.com>
	<48724372.1050000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48724CB7.7070306@gmail.com>

schoappied wrote:
> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>   
>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>   
>>     
>>> I did:
>>> # mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.25.8-rt7 2.6.25.8-rt7
>>>
>>> But the errors still remains
>>>     
>>>       
>> hm .. maybe it was the change to fstab then, that
>> had an effect on it.
>>
>> I discovered some problems with lines like this in /etc/fstab :
>> UUID=13495293458246835258345  /  reiserfs ............etc.
>>
>> things went better, when replaced with:
>> /dev/disk/by-uuid/13495293458246835258345  /  reiserfs ............etc.
>>
>> (directory names instead of "UUID=" (probably more compatible - who knows..))
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>   
>>     
> I'm glad I can use the 64studio kernel now and have wireless internet 
> working.
>
>
> When looking at my fstab file, its looking fine to my, but I question if 
> the mount option for /hda3 is fine.... <none>
>
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    errors=remount-ro 0       1
> /dev/hda2       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
> /dev/hda3       none            swap    sw              0       0
> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
But how can it be that the normal kernel just works fine with this fstab?

I think the problem is more likely related to the .config file or 
initrd.img-2.6.25.8-rt7 stuff or can it be that there's something wrong 
in the settings/ .config for ATA drives... ??? But I must say, I'm not 
very experienced in this kind of problem solving...

And why doesn't the system complain about the /hda1??






From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Mon Jul  7 15:21:49 2008
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:21:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com> (Dave Phillips's message of "Mon,
	07 Jul 2008 09:11:37 -0400")
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <87d4lp33g2.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> writes:

> I've placed two videos online

As this site requires flash, it's unavailable to me; Can you please
make it available somewhere else or provide a direct flv download link
or provide a tool, such as clive, to extract the video from the site?

-- 
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From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul  7 13:29:04 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:29:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] pretty much frustrated about those rt-kernels!
In-Reply-To: <48724CB7.7070306@gmail.com>
References: <486E2E2A.4000605@gmail.com>
	<20080706144548.77771678@michamobil.studio>
	<4870D411.6090404@woh.rr.com> <48713F01.2010006@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807062034y78b6052coc04469ecb52858bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807062036u38c7540kea3fa41b5b0b676e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4871DF88.90009@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807070831qa6e32f5u92fc097eadb50939@mail.gmail.com>
	<48724372.1050000@gmail.com> <48724CB7.7070306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807071029h7803af9fx3cecda0516438f6d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> schoappied wrote:
>>
>> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did:
>>>> # mkinitramfs -o initrd.img-2.6.25.8-rt7 2.6.25.8-rt7
>>>>
>>>> But the errors still remains
>>>>
>>>
>>> hm .. maybe it was the change to fstab then, that

>
> But how can it be that the normal kernel just works fine with this fstab?
>
> I think the problem is more likely related to the .config file or
> initrd.img-2.6.25.8-rt7 stuff or can it be that there's something wrong in
> the settings/ .config for ATA drives... ??? But I must say, I'm not very
> experienced in this kind of problem solving...
>

your fstab looks ok. using uuids is just a newly recommended option.

I also remember, that I updated the initramfs-tools package before
creating the initrd.
maybe it's a bug, that has been resolved in the most recent version.
( I got the update from debian sid repository)

My version is 0.92d
download:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/initramfs-tools/download


From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 13:42:10 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:42:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48725572.8040102@gmail.com>

Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> I thought, it would probably help some of you, if I uploaded
> my rt-config for a 2.6.25.8 realtime kernel (debian system).
>
> # get my kernel config:
> wget http://branwelt.de/download/config.gz
>
> (this is all without any warrenty, use at your own risc)
>
> Below is also a kind of script, that should do the whole procedure
> for creating a 2.6.25.8 realtime kernel on a debian based system.
>
> I have not testet this script.
> I would recommend, to past command for command, and see if it is
> working for you. (it should)
> This is how I build the kernel I'm currently using.
>
> Note: The config has the realtime-patch applied, but is not
> strictly configured for realtime:
> I let enabled acpi and cpu-frequency scaling,
> because performance was good enough for my requirements
> (2.67ms latency at 48000hz samplerate according to qjackctl).
> If you encounter xruns, disable these options with "make menuconfig"
> (see bottom)
>
> I tried to keep the config general, so it may be usable on other
> systems as well.
> It is based on a sidux ~ 2.6.21 configuration, including updates for 2.6.25
>
>
> start of the command list:
> #############################################################
> #############################################################
>
>
> mkdir my_realtime_kernel
> cd my_realtime_kernel
>
>
>
> # get my kernel config
> wget http://branwelt.de/download/config.gz
>
> # get the kernel
> wget http://www.eu.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.25.8.tar.bz2
>
> # get rt-patch
> wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
>
>
> # unpack
> tar xfj linux-2.6.25.8.tar.bz2
> tar xfj patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
>
> # create a symbolic link
> ln -s linux-2.6.25.8 linux
> cd linux
>
>
>
> # apply patch
> patch -p1 < ../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7
>
> # move config to right place
> zcat ../config.gz > ./.config
>
>
> # now edit the Makefile
> # change the line with EXTRAVERSION (without #) to:
> # EXTRAVERSION = .8.rt7.em1
>
>
> # optionally do make oldconfig
> # or make menuconfig here
>
>
> # make the kernel
> make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
> cd ..
>
>
> # finally install the kernel with a command like
> # dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.25.8.rt7.em1_2.6.25.8.rt7.em1-10.00.Custom_i386.deb
>
>
>
>
> #############################################################
> #############################################################
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
Thanks for this howto!

Don't you build a linux-headers file?




From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Jul  7 14:15:03 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:15:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <87d4lp33g2.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
	<87d4lp33g2.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <48725D27.2040509@woh.rr.com>

Esben Stien wrote:
>
> As this site requires flash, it's unavailable to me; Can you please
> make it available somewhere else or provide a direct flv download link
> or provide a tool, such as clive, to extract the video from the site?

You can download the original AVI from the file's page, the link is near 
the bottom right corner, right under the gray bar that says Downloads. :)

Best,

dp




From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul  7 14:15:20 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:15:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <48725572.8040102@gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<48725572.8040102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:

small mistake:

>> tar xfj patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2

is no tar file! use
   bunzip2 patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
instead

(or install unp !!)
>
> Don't you build a linux-headers file?
>

I never needed them. Maybe because
I always kept the source in /usr/src/linux
which does have them anyway.

I you need them for building modules make them:
make-kpkg kernel_headers


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Jul  7 14:17:58 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:17:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <87d4lp33g2.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
	<87d4lp33g2.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <48725DD6.600@woh.rr.com>


Ah, I just realized that you might not be able to access the site at all 
without Flash. Perhaps you could try entering the  URLs at keepvid.com ?


From darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul  7 14:57:51 2008
From: darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net (Darren Landrum)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:57:51 -0400
Subject: [LAU] E-MU 1820M alsa support
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> wow, no one has an E-MU 1820? I'm surprised. Maybe I should check the
> -dev group.
> It's between an E-MU 1820 and a Layla3G. Both seem to be about equal in caps.

Well, I have an Emu 1212M, which I guess is the closest you're going to 
get. They use the same driver, though, as far as I know, so I might be 
able to answer your questions.

In general, how does the 1212M play with ALSA? It does well enough if 
all you need is the audio ins and outs. As far as I know, the outputs 
are still limited to 16 bits (the inputs can run at 24 bit) because the 
driver is not finished yet. I've also been unable to get MIDI in working 
(in Ubuntu Studio 64 Hardy Heron), even though I can see the MIDI in 
ports from kjackctl. I need to flip back over to Windows and test MIDI 
there (where it was working at one time) to make sure it's not a 
hardware issue.

I don't know if the guy working on the driver still is, or what progress 
he has made since I last checked up on it.

Another issue I run into is the lack of support in the driver for 
automatically resampling output (I run the clock at 44.1khz). I have to 
make sure the audio software I use is able to support its own output 
resampling. This is less big of a deal, as I plan to do all of my 
production at 44.1, but I do have the odd mp3 encoded at 48khz for 
whatever odd reason. Aqualung has solved this for me, though.

If you have any more specific questions, feel free to fire them off at 
me, and I'll do the best I can to answer them.

Regards,
Darren Landrum



From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 15:03:00 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:03:00 -0700
Subject: [LAU] building csound from source - OOps/remote.c:70: error:
	storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807071203i13449a4aode7abde33a17f673@mail.gmail.com>

Trying to build C5.08 on gentoo so that I can build the java wrapper
(to try AVSynthesis). Rcv'd the following error. Google turns up only
one search that didn't help.

usr/X11R6/include OOps/remote.c
OOps/remote.c: In function 'getIpAddress':
OOps/remote.c:70: error: storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
scons: *** [OOps/remote.os] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.


I thought maybe it was that I emerged SWIG w/o a 'java' or 'python',
but I set those flags and no change.

or,

if there is a way to create a java wrapper using gentoo USE flags,
that's much easier (I'm using the proaudio overlay). I set java USE
flag, but it didn't create the java wrapper. That lead me to compile
from 5.08 source.

thanks much!

brad
-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 15:05:32 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:05:32 -0700
Subject: [LAU] E-MU 1820M alsa support
In-Reply-To: <4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Darren. I think that pretty much clears it up. I'm going with
Echo Layla3G

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Darren Landrum
<darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Brad Fuller wrote:
>>
>> wow, no one has an E-MU 1820? I'm surprised. Maybe I should check the
>> -dev group.
>> It's between an E-MU 1820 and a Layla3G. Both seem to be about equal in
>> caps.
>
> Well, I have an Emu 1212M, which I guess is the closest you're going to get.
> They use the same driver, though, as far as I know, so I might be able to
> answer your questions.
>
> In general, how does the 1212M play with ALSA? It does well enough if all
> you need is the audio ins and outs. As far as I know, the outputs are still
> limited to 16 bits (the inputs can run at 24 bit) because the driver is not
> finished yet. I've also been unable to get MIDI in working (in Ubuntu Studio
> 64 Hardy Heron), even though I can see the MIDI in ports from kjackctl. I
> need to flip back over to Windows and test MIDI there (where it was working
> at one time) to make sure it's not a hardware issue.
>
> I don't know if the guy working on the driver still is, or what progress he
> has made since I last checked up on it.
>
> Another issue I run into is the lack of support in the driver for
> automatically resampling output (I run the clock at 44.1khz). I have to make
> sure the audio software I use is able to support its own output resampling.
> This is less big of a deal, as I plan to do all of my production at 44.1,
> but I do have the odd mp3 encoded at 48khz for whatever odd reason. Aqualung
> has solved this for me, though.
>
> If you have any more specific questions, feel free to fire them off at me,
> and I'll do the best I can to answer them.
>
> Regards,
> Darren Landrum
>
>



-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Jul  7 15:14:27 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:14:27 -0400
Subject: [LAU] building csound from source - OOps/remote.c:70: error:
 storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807071203i13449a4aode7abde33a17f673@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807071203i13449a4aode7abde33a17f673@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48726B13.2030809@woh.rr.com>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> Trying to build C5.08 on gentoo so that I can build the java wrapper
> (to try AVSynthesis). 
Hi Brad,

I got your note, thought I'd better reply quickly. If you're reading the 
article I wrote for the Linux Journal I must tell you that it's out of 
date. See the AVSynthesis docs site for updated instructions :

    http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfq5sj5w_80f9z8tb

I think I failed to mention in that article that you'll also need the 
csnd.jar from your Csound build, in addition to lib_jcsound.so and the 
JOGL stuff (no more LWGL).

Let me know if you run into problems.

Best,

dp



From darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul  7 15:27:29 2008
From: darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net (Darren Landrum)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:27:29 -0400
Subject: [LAU] E-MU 1820M alsa support
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>	<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>	<4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>
	<df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48726E21.4020505@sbcglobal.net>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> Thanks, Darren. I think that pretty much clears it up. I'm going with
> Echo Layla3G

I bought the Emu when I had decided to stick with Windows for music 
production (where it's a fantastic sound card). Times and attitudes 
changed, however, and now I find myself struggling keeping it all 
working. I'm thinking about selling it off and finding something else 
well-supported, like an M-Audio Audiophile. I need only two ins and two 
outs.

That has to wait for a steady income to return to my life, however.

-- Darren



From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 15:37:50 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:37:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] E-MU 1820M alsa support
In-Reply-To: <48726E21.4020505@sbcglobal.net>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>
	<df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>
	<48726E21.4020505@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807071237m5f32e447u6e4449235ee732c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Darren Landrum
<darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Brad Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Darren. I think that pretty much clears it up. I'm going with
>> Echo Layla3G
>
> I bought the Emu when I had decided to stick with Windows for music
> production (where it's a fantastic sound card). Times and attitudes changed,
> however, and now I find myself struggling keeping it all working. I'm
> thinking about selling it off and finding something else well-supported,
> like an M-Audio Audiophile. I need only two ins and two outs.

My delta 66 works great in Linux.  And, they're pretty inexpensive right now.



-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul  7 16:20:53 2008
From: darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net (Darren Landrum)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:20:53 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Well-supported two-channel cards? (was: Re: E-MU 1820M alsa
 support)
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807071237m5f32e447u6e4449235ee732c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>	
	<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>	
	<df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48726E21.4020505@sbcglobal.net>
	<df41a9e40807071237m5f32e447u6e4449235ee732c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48727AA5.9010401@sbcglobal.net>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> My delta 66 works great in Linux.  And, they're pretty inexpensive right now.

I'm going to take the liberty of throwing this out to the list at large. 
No doubt this has been asked a million times (heck, maybe there are some 
new options since the last time this question came up), but what are 
some good two-channel in-out cards (24-bit capable) with MIDI that 
really work super-well with ALSA. 1/4 inch jacks for the audio would be 
really nice, I dare say, even required. Working on 64-bit systems would 
also be a requirement.

The Echo MiaMIDI is looking pretty good. Any word on how well they work 
in 64-bit Linux?

Thanks!

-- Darren



From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 16:21:30 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:21:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>	<48725572.8040102@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48727ACA.3010703@gmail.com>

Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>   
>> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>>     
>
> small mistake:
>
>   
>>> tar xfj patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
>>>       
>
> is no tar file! use
>    bunzip2 patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
> instead
>
> (or install unp !!)
>   
>> Don't you build a linux-headers file?
>>
>>     
>
> I never needed them. Maybe because
> I always kept the source in /usr/src/linux
> which does have them anyway.
>
> I you need them for building modules make them:
> make-kpkg kernel_headers
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
I build the kernel as your said.
Followed the steps.
checked it for a while with make oldconfig
and make xconfig

but I didn't change anything...

Same message, same errors....


From darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul  7 16:22:26 2008
From: darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net (Darren Landrum)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:22:26 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Well-supported two-channel cards? (was: Re: E-MU 1820M alsa
 support)
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807071237m5f32e447u6e4449235ee732c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>	
	<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>	
	<df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>	
	<48726E21.4020505@sbcglobal.net>
	<df41a9e40807071237m5f32e447u6e4449235ee732c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48727B02.9040107@sbcglobal.net>

Brad Fuller wrote:
> My delta 66 works great in Linux.  And, they're pretty inexpensive right now.

I'm going to take the liberty of throwing this out to the list at large.
No doubt this has been asked a million times (heck, maybe there are some
new options since the last time this question came up), but what are
some good two-channel in-out cards (24-bit capable) with MIDI that
really work super-well with ALSA. 1/4 inch jacks for the audio would be
really nice, I dare say, even required. Working on a 64-bit system would 
also be a requirement.

The Echo MiaMIDI is looking pretty good. Any word on how well they work
in 64-bit Linux?

Thanks!

-- Darren


From darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul  7 16:23:51 2008
From: darren.landrum at sbcglobal.net (Darren Landrum)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:23:51 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Well-supported two-channel cards?
In-Reply-To: <48727B02.9040107@sbcglobal.net>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>		<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>		<4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>		<df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>		<48726E21.4020505@sbcglobal.net>	<df41a9e40807071237m5f32e447u6e4449235ee732c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<48727B02.9040107@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48727B57.8020602@sbcglobal.net>

Darren Landrum wrote:
> Brad Fuller wrote:
>> My delta 66 works great in Linux.  And, they're pretty inexpensive right now.
> 
> I'm going to take the liberty of throwing this out to the list at large.

... Argh, sorry about the duplicate. Thunderbird insisted that the send 
didn't work the first time.

-- Darren


From siliconjoe at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 16:31:30 2008
From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:31:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a5df3c20807071331i789e9631xf569ca0a998c3827@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/7 Emanuel Rumpf <xbran at web.de>:
> I thought, it would probably help some of you, if I uploaded
> my rt-config for a 2.6.25.8 realtime kernel (debian system).
<snip>
> tar xfj patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
> zcat ../config.gz > ./.config
</snip>

You can use those compressed files directly/in-line by using the z/bz
prefixed version of cat, i.e.:

bzcat ../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2 | patch -p1

and

zcat ../config.gz >./.config

It saves a little bit of space, handy to know when you're short of it ;)

Cheers


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 16:47:28 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:47:28 -0700
Subject: [LAU] building csound from source - OOps/remote.c:70: error:
 storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807071203i13449a4aode7abde33a17f673@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807071203i13449a4aode7abde33a17f673@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487280E0.50804@gmail.com>

I think this is strictly a csound build error -- I probably didn't set
something correctly (which I set nothing), but I can't find out what
it is. Before I go delving into this, I'm sure someone can tell me
what I didn't set right..

To compile is just:

# scons

The error:
===
OOps/remote.c: In function 'getIpAddress':
OOps/remote.c:70: error: storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
scons: *** [OOps/remote.o] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.
===

I'm compiling on Linux 64_x86. The error, I suppose, shows up in the
strcpy below (from remote.c):


#ifdef HAVE_SOCKETS

  /* get the IPaddress of this machine */
static int getIpAddress(char *ipaddr, char *ifname)
{
    int ret = 1;
#ifdef WIN32
    /* VL 12/10/06: something needs to go here */
    /* gethostbyname is the real answer; code below id unsafe */
    char hostname[1024];
    struct hostent *he;
    struct sockaddr_in sin;
    gethostname(hostname, sizeof(hostname));
    he = gethostbyname(hostname);

    memset(&sin, 0, sizeof (struct sockaddr_in));
    memmove(&sin.sin_addr, he->h_addr_list[0], he->h_length);
    strcpy(ipaddr, inet_ntoa (sin.sin_addr));
    ret = 0;

#else
    struct ifreq ifr;
    int fd;

    fd = socket(AF_INET,SOCK_DGRAM, 0);
    if (fd >= 0) {
      strcpy(ifr.ifr_name, ifname);

      if (ioctl(fd, SIOCGIFADDR, &ifr) == 0) {
        char *local;
        local = inet_ntoa(((struct sockaddr_in *)(&ifr.ifr_addr))->sin_addr);
        strcpy(ipaddr, local);
        ret = 0;
      }
    }
    close(fd);
#endif
    return ret;


Brad Fuller wrote:
> Trying to build C5.08 on gentoo so that I can build the java wrapper
> (to try AVSynthesis). Rcv'd the following error. Google turns up only
> one search that didn't help.
> 
> usr/X11R6/include OOps/remote.c
> OOps/remote.c: In function 'getIpAddress':
> OOps/remote.c:70: error: storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
> scons: *** [OOps/remote.os] Error 1
> scons: building terminated because of errors.
> 
> 
> I thought maybe it was that I emerged SWIG w/o a 'java' or 'python',
> but I set those flags and no change.
> 
> or,
> 
> if there is a way to create a java wrapper using gentoo USE flags,
> that's much easier (I'm using the proaudio overlay). I set java USE
> flag, but it didn't create the java wrapper. That lead me to compile
> from 5.08 source.
> 
> thanks much!
> 
> brad



From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul  7 16:57:58 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:57:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <48727ACA.3010703@gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<48725572.8040102@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>
	<48727ACA.3010703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807071357j5e58b043x95743505facd64f4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>>
>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>
> Same message, same errors....
>

those IIRC ?:
----------------------------------
fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda2
/dev/hda2
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
filesystem. If the device is  valid and it really contains an ext2
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else) then the superblock
is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsk with an alternate
superblock:
e2fsck -b 8193 <device>

fsck died with exit status 8
failed (code 8)
-------------------------------------


I don't have a sollution here.

maybe you should try as suggested:
e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2


From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul  7 16:59:51 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 22:59:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <3a5df3c20807071331i789e9631xf569ca0a998c3827@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a5df3c20807071331i789e9631xf569ca0a998c3827@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807071359m213e35b4q9fd27112f4e1101d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/7 Giuseppe Zompatori <siliconjoe at gmail.com>:
>
> You can use those compressed files directly/in-line by using the z/bz
> prefixed version of cat, i.e.:
>
> bzcat ../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2 | patch -p1
>
ah.. there's also bzcat
thanks for the hint :)


From _ at whats-your.name  Mon Jul  7 17:05:27 2008
From: _ at whats-your.name (c_r)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:05:27 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Well-supported two-channel cards? (was: Re: E-MU
	1820M	alsa support)
In-Reply-To: <48727B02.9040107@sbcglobal.net>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<df41a9e40807070929m7964fe17n7f3e70c01aff90f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4872672F.8010200@sbcglobal.net>
	<df41a9e40807071205y11d1aea3vba93f68022ee812@mail.gmail.com>
	<48726E21.4020505@sbcglobal.net>
	<df41a9e40807071237m5f32e447u6e4449235ee732c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<48727B02.9040107@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20080707210527.GB4574@m.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

On Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:22:26PM -0400, Darren Landrum wrote:
> Brad Fuller wrote:
> > My delta 66 works great in Linux.  And, they're pretty inexpensive right now.
> 
> I'm going to take the liberty of throwing this out to the list at large.
> No doubt this has been asked a million times (heck, maybe there are some
> new options since the last time this question came up), but what are
> some good two-channel in-out cards (24-bit capable) with MIDI that
> really work super-well with ALSA. 1/4 inch jacks for the audio would be
> really nice, I dare say, even required. Working on a 64-bit system would 
> also be a requirement.
> 
> The Echo MiaMIDI is looking pretty good. Any word on how well they work
> in 64-bit Linux?

been using one on 64bit linux since 2004. well before Echo themselves had 64bit drivers for Mac or XP.

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- Darren
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 18:02:04 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:02:04 -0700
Subject: [LAU] building csound from source - OOps/remote.c:70: error:
	storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
In-Reply-To: <487280E0.50804@gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807071203i13449a4aode7abde33a17f673@mail.gmail.com>
	<487280E0.50804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807071502s6d396638g2f56d6d0ac00e43f@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think this is my problem, but I don't know why io.h is not found:

Checking for C header file io.h... (cached) no

does that mean that it's not cached, or it's not found? It's in my
/usr/include/sys directory, and other C headers are found.

Is this normal? Or not?

brad

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Brad Fuller <bradallenfuller at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this is strictly a csound build error -- I probably didn't set
> something correctly (which I set nothing), but I can't find out what
> it is. Before I go delving into this, I'm sure someone can tell me
> what I didn't set right..
>
> To compile is just:
>
> # scons
>
> The error:
> ===
> OOps/remote.c: In function 'getIpAddress':
> OOps/remote.c:70: error: storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
> scons: *** [OOps/remote.o] Error 1
> scons: building terminated because of errors.
> ===
>
> I'm compiling on Linux 64_x86. The error, I suppose, shows up in the
> strcpy below (from remote.c):
>
>
> #ifdef HAVE_SOCKETS
>
>  /* get the IPaddress of this machine */
> static int getIpAddress(char *ipaddr, char *ifname)
> {
>   int ret = 1;
> #ifdef WIN32
>   /* VL 12/10/06: something needs to go here */
>   /* gethostbyname is the real answer; code below id unsafe */
>   char hostname[1024];
>   struct hostent *he;
>   struct sockaddr_in sin;
>   gethostname(hostname, sizeof(hostname));
>   he = gethostbyname(hostname);
>
>   memset(&sin, 0, sizeof (struct sockaddr_in));
>   memmove(&sin.sin_addr, he->h_addr_list[0], he->h_length);
>   strcpy(ipaddr, inet_ntoa (sin.sin_addr));
>   ret = 0;
>
> #else
>   struct ifreq ifr;
>   int fd;
>
>   fd = socket(AF_INET,SOCK_DGRAM, 0);
>   if (fd >= 0) {
>     strcpy(ifr.ifr_name, ifname);
>
>     if (ioctl(fd, SIOCGIFADDR, &ifr) == 0) {
>       char *local;
>       local = inet_ntoa(((struct sockaddr_in *)(&ifr.ifr_addr))->sin_addr);
>       strcpy(ipaddr, local);
>       ret = 0;
>     }
>   }
>   close(fd);
> #endif
>   return ret;
>
>
> Brad Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Trying to build C5.08 on gentoo so that I can build the java wrapper
>> (to try AVSynthesis). Rcv'd the following error. Google turns up only
>> one search that didn't help.
>>
>> usr/X11R6/include OOps/remote.c
>> OOps/remote.c: In function 'getIpAddress':
>> OOps/remote.c:70: error: storage size of 'ifr' isn't known
>> scons: *** [OOps/remote.os] Error 1
>> scons: building terminated because of errors.
>>
>>
>> I thought maybe it was that I emerged SWIG w/o a 'java' or 'python',
>> but I set those flags and no change.
>>
>> or,
>>
>> if there is a way to create a java wrapper using gentoo USE flags,
>> that's much easier (I'm using the proaudio overlay). I set java USE
>> flag, but it didn't create the java wrapper. That lead me to compile
>> from 5.08 source.
>>
>> thanks much!
>>
>> brad
>
>



-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 18:36:47 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:36:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807071357j5e58b043x95743505facd64f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>	<48725572.8040102@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>	<48727ACA.3010703@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807071357j5e58b043x95743505facd64f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48729A7F.3090801@gmail.com>

Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>   
>> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>>     
>>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>>       
>> Same message, same errors....
>>
>>     
>
> those IIRC ?:
> ----------------------------------
> fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda2
> /dev/hda2
> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
> filesystem. If the device is  valid and it really contains an ext2
> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else) then the superblock
> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsk with an alternate
> superblock:
> e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
>
> fsck died with exit status 8
> failed (code 8)
> -------------------------------------
>
>
> I don't have a sollution here.
>
> maybe you should try as suggested:
> e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2
> _______________________________________________
>
>   

Yes, same garbage...

I'll check the e2fsck...

Thanks anyway, also for your howto.
I'm gonna stick with the praised 64studio so I wouldn't complain... 
allthough.. spend many many hours to get it right....

About oldconfig and menu config:

When I want to use exactly the same config file as you have (copied that 
.config to the new to build kernel folder)... Should I do oldconfig 
and/or xconfig? or just start to build that kernel? And what if the 
.config file is from a much older kernel? what will happen with the new 
kernel configure options? And when you do make oldconfig.. what should 
be the answer to the ask questions? just hit ENTER or N, y, m ?

Thanks in advance,


And



From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 18:41:47 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:41:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <48729A7F.3090801@gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>	<48725572.8040102@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>	<48727ACA.3010703@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807071357j5e58b043x95743505facd64f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48729A7F.3090801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48729BAB.2040600@gmail.com>

schoappied wrote:
> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>   
>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>   
>>     
>>> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> Same message, same errors....
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> those IIRC ?:
>> ----------------------------------
>> fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda2
>> /dev/hda2
>> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
>> filesystem. If the device is  valid and it really contains an ext2
>> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else) then the superblock
>> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsk with an alternate
>> superblock:
>> e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
>>
>> fsck died with exit status 8
>> failed (code 8)
>> -------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> I don't have a sollution here.
>>
>> maybe you should try as suggested:
>> e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> Yes, same garbage...
>
> I'll check the e2fsck...
>
> Thanks anyway, also for your howto.
> I'm gonna stick with the praised 64studio *kernel* so I will not complain... 
> allthough.. spend many many hours to get it right....
>
> About oldconfig and menu config:
>
> When I want to use exactly the same config file as you have (copied that 
> .config to the new to build kernel folder)... Should I do oldconfig 
> and/or xconfig? or just start to build that kernel? And what if the 
> .config file is from a much older kernel? what will happen with the new 
> kernel configure options? And when you do make oldconfig.. what should 
> be the answer to the ask questions? just hit ENTER or N, y, m ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> And
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
*kernel


From susemuse27 at gmx.de  Tue Jul  8 06:34:04 2008
From: susemuse27 at gmx.de (Susanne Schneider)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:34:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] problem accessing vst gui
Message-ID: <20080708103404.276850@gmx.net>

I'm using some spare vst plugins in Ardourvst 2.4.1. In my Suse 10.3 with Fluxbox I still use wine-0.9.52 for this, because newer wineversions cause the following behaviour of the vst gui: when opening the vst gui, there are 2 windows popping up, the one is empty, only showing enable/disable button, the other one is the functional vst gui. Reopening them a second time after having them closed is impossible, the vst gui remains disappeared. I then have to close and restart Ardourvst for newly gaining access to the vst gui. Under KDE I have this strange behaviour with every wine version (but this doesn't bother me so much because I love Fluxbox anyway).
And: YES, I did activate the "allow windowmanager to ... (or so)" option in wineconfig.

Now, in most actual Suse 11, there is no way to downgrade wine (or I just didn't yet find a way).
my question: does anybody experience similar problems and how do you solve them?
thanks
Susanne

-- 
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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 06:46:34 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:46:34 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Some new a quite different music
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0806041856310.22260@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0806041856310.22260@arima>
Message-ID: <4873458A.20702@woh.rr.com>

Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hello!
>    This time it's a rather short one. :-) It's called "A little moaning". 
Hey Julien,

I finally got to listen to this piece. I liked it a lot, but I wondered 
whether the percussion really added anything. Have you tried a remix 
without the drums ?

It just sounded like they were just sort of there to be there. 
Everything else was sweet. :)

Anyway, nice work. Make more, please.

Best always,

dp



From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 07:24:57 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:24:57 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Pd ?
Message-ID: <48734E89.9090902@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

Has anyone here used a webcam with Pd ? Or Fluxus ? Or Gephex or FLxER ? 
If so, how ?

I have my camera working now with xawtv4 and luvcview, but I'm having a 
terrible time with just about everything else.

Advice would be nice. :)

Anyone ?

Best,

dp



From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 07:43:55 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:43:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Linux
In-Reply-To: <e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <486CE0DC.9030604@woh.rr.com>	<5eb95dc90807030823t76a8acc6w29f61ae71707e51@mail.gmail.com>
	<e754e90807030926t4c052110kf76bc716fd2afe25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487352FB.7010008@woh.rr.com>

R Dicaire wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Emanuel Rumpf <xbran at web.de> wrote:
>   
>
>> check your kernel config (in /boot/ directory).
>> my one has these lines in it:
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1=y
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT=y
>> CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2=y
>>     
>
> That cam will require this kernel config option enabled as well:
>
> CONFIG_USB_ZC0301
>   
It's working without that module. Can you tell me why I should use it ?

Best,

dp





From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 07:52:58 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:52:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <48729A7F.3090801@gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>	<48725572.8040102@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>	<48727ACA.3010703@gmail.com>	<5eb95dc90807071357j5e58b043x95743505facd64f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48729A7F.3090801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4873551A.5020902@gmail.com>

schoappied wrote:
> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>   
>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>   
>>     
>>> Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> 2008/7/7 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> Same message, same errors....
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> those IIRC ?:
>> ----------------------------------
>> fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda2
>> /dev/hda2
>> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
>> filesystem. If the device is  valid and it really contains an ext2
>> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else) then the superblock
>> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsk with an alternate
>> superblock:
>> e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
>>
>> fsck died with exit status 8
>> failed (code 8)
>> -------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> I don't have a sollution here.
>>
>> maybe you should try as suggested:
>> e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda2
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> Yes, same garbage...
>
> I'll check the e2fsck...
>
> Thanks anyway, also for your howto.
> I'm gonna stick with the praised 64studio so I wouldn't complain... 
> allthough.. spend many many hours to get it right....
>
> About oldconfig and menu config:
>
> When I want to use exactly the same config file as you have (copied that 
> .config to the new to build kernel folder)... Should I do oldconfig 
> and/or xconfig? or just start to build that kernel? And what if the 
> .config file is from a much older kernel? what will happen with the new 
> kernel configure options? And when you do make oldconfig.. what should 
> be the answer to the ask questions? just hit ENTER or N, y, m ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> And
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>   
I tried to build it on another debian lenny/sid system, also a P4 and it 
works just fine. So its not totally my fault ;) :)

Then the cause is my system, Dell Precision 360 ... maybe the 
initrd.img-, maybe ATA?




From julien at c-lab.de  Tue Jul  8 08:21:34 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:21:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Problems building jsampler
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>

Hello everyone!
   I just tried building jsampler. I got the extra juife, new java6-debian 
packages and jlscp built correctly. But the jsampler can't find certain 
symbols in juife. Like
Cannot find symbol
     [javac] symbol  : method setCancelled(boolean)
   And more... Any ideas on that. Some other specific java component? Do I need 
to set more than JAVA_HOME? Is there something like ldconfig for java? I just 
moved the compiled juife and jlscp libs to JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/ext as pointed 
out.
   I need help please.
   Kindest regards
          Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul  8 08:46:58 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:46:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Problems building jsampler
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>
Message-ID: <200807081446.59204.brummer-@web.de>

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 14:21:34 schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hello everyone!
>    I just tried building jsampler. I got the extra juife, new java6-debian
> packages and jlscp built correctly. But the jsampler can't find certain
> symbols in juife. Like
> Cannot find symbol
>      [javac] symbol  : method setCancelled(boolean)
>    And more... Any ideas on that. Some other specific java component? Do I
> need to set more than JAVA_HOME? Is there something like ldconfig for java?
> I just moved the compiled juife and jlscp libs to JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/ext as
> pointed out.
>    I need help please.
>    Kindest regards
>           Julien
>
> --------
> Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
>
> ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
> http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
> the Linux TextBased Studio guide
> ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
> http://www.juliencoder.de
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user

I compiled jsampler a while ago, when I rememper right, you have to copy juife 
and jlscp to jsampler/lib/required to be able to build the -classic 
interface. For -fantasia you need also substance-swingx substance and swingx 
in  jsampler/lib/required

regards  hermann


From julien at c-lab.de  Tue Jul  8 09:00:05 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:00:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Problems building jsampler
In-Reply-To: <200807081446.59204.brummer-@web.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>
	<200807081446.59204.brummer-@web.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081458500.6749@arima>

Hi!
   OK, now it somehow works. but I can't simply start the console I heard of. 
the program WANTS to use the graphic. It seems I can't dissuade jsapmler from 
trying to use the awt x11 routines. Is there a switch to do so?
   Kindest regards
          Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul  8 09:01:48 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:01:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] problem accessing vst gui
In-Reply-To: <20080708103404.276850@gmx.net>
References: <20080708103404.276850@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4873653C.4000905@woh.rr.com>

Susanne Schneider wrote:
> I'm using some spare vst plugins in Ardourvst 2.4.1. In my Suse 10.3 with Fluxbox I still use wine-0.9.52 for this, because newer wineversions cause the following behaviour of the vst gui: when opening the vst gui, there are 2 windows popping up, the one is empty, only showing enable/disable button, the other one is the functional vst gui. Reopening them a second time after having them closed is impossible, the vst gui remains disappeared. I then have to close and restart Ardourvst for newly gaining access to the vst gui. Under KDE I have this strange behaviour with every wine version (but this doesn't bother me so much because I love Fluxbox anyway).
> And: YES, I did activate the "allow windowmanager to ... (or so)" option in wineconfig.
>
> Now, in most actual Suse 11, there is no way to downgrade wine (or I just didn't yet find a way).
> my question: does anybody experience similar problems and how do you solve them?
It's been a while since I built & ran ArdourVST, but I don't recall 
having that problem. However, recently someone mentioned that dropping 
the native Windows gdiplus.dll into the Wine system might help correct 
some VST misbehavior. IIRC you'll also need to add it in the Libraries 
tab in winecfg. Make sure the load order is native Windows first, then 
the built-in (if there is a built-in of that dll for Wine).

Sorry I can't help more. We're pretty much on our own when it comes to 
VST + Ardour. :-/

Best,

dp



From fbar at footils.org  Tue Jul  8 09:07:45 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:07:45 +0200
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Pd ?
In-Reply-To: <48734E89.9090902@woh.rr.com>
References: <48734E89.9090902@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20080708130745.GB25114@fliwatut.scifi>

Hallo,
Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote:

> Has anyone here used a webcam with Pd ? Or Fluxus ? Or Gephex or FLxER ? 
> If so, how ?

If you run video4linux in version 1, you should have no problems using
a webcam with Gem or PDP in Pd. I don't think, they support v4l2 yet.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__


From danni.coy at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 09:11:53 2008
From: danni.coy at gmail.com (Danni Coy)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:11:53 +1000
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Pd ?
In-Reply-To: <20080708130745.GB25114@fliwatut.scifi>
References: <48734E89.9090902@woh.rr.com>
	<20080708130745.GB25114@fliwatut.scifi>
Message-ID: <8459c9dc0807080611k6c1adeb2ne8fc34761d3eb87@mail.gmail.com>

and unfortunately the uvc driver is V4L2 only... (I am guessing by the fact
that luvcviewer is being used that this is the problem - I am in the same
boat here)

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:

> Hallo,
> Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote:
>
> > Has anyone here used a webcam with Pd ? Or Fluxus ? Or Gephex or FLxER ?
> > If so, how ?
>
> If you run video4linux in version 1, you should have no problems using
> a webcam with Gem or PDP in Pd. I don't think, they support v4l2 yet.
>
> Ciao
> --
>  Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From mis at artengine.ca  Tue Jul  8 09:12:34 2008
From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:12:34 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Pd ?
In-Reply-To: <48734E89.9090902@woh.rr.com>
References: <48734E89.9090902@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <eee389550807080612u1316246bt924d50f06645a9d8@mail.gmail.com>

I only used a webcam with pd but my experience is limited (mostly
because everything just worked out of the box for me).  AFAIK there
are some issues with newer cameras that are only supported by v4l2.
In any case, there are several packages that support a camera input:
GEM, pdp (which you probably already know) and gridflow
(www.gridflow.ca). Gridflow is a matrix based image processing
library.

In GEM, [pix_video] is your friend.  The help file shows you haw it
should be used.
In pdp [pdp_4l] or [pdp_v4l2]
in gridflow you use [#camera].  I know that some new functionality in
terms of interfacing with various camera drivers has recently been
added to gridflow so there are chances that your webcam will be
supported.  Also, gridflow's [#camera] is an abstraction which, when
opened, gives you quite a few options for user-friendly
configurations.

Note, that if you are mostly interested in GEM, [pix_video] does not
work for you but either pdp or gridflow does, there a bridges for
exchanging between pdp and GEM or gridflow and GEM.

HTH... although I know it's vague...

./MiS

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Has anyone here used a webcam with Pd ? Or Fluxus ? Or Gephex or FLxER ?
> If so, how ?
>
> I have my camera working now with xawtv4 and luvcview, but I'm having a
> terrible time with just about everything else.
>
> Advice would be nice. :)
>
> Anyone ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



-- 
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514-344-0726
http://www.creazone.ca


From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 09:24:27 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:24:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux>
	<486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux>
	<486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux>
	<486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>	<4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com>
	<20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>
Message-ID: <48736A8B.6070909@gmail.com>

Aurelien wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 08:16:33AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote :
>   
>> Andre Majorel wrote:
>>     
>>> On 2008-07-02 08:42 +0200, schoappied wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Guitar-sized acoustic basses ? IME, they sound like shit. May have
>>> to do with the case being too small to resonate effectively at low
>>> frequencies.
>>>       
>> I agree. I've played a couple "acoustic bass guitars", they did indeed 
>> sound poorly. I forget the name of the Mexican guitar-like bass, but 
>> McCabe's (in LA) sold quite a few of those when buyers realized how much 
>> better they sounded than the $$$ Dreadnaught-style basses.
>>     
>
> Depends on the price you put in, obviously. Actually, I quite agree with
> you, I haven't heard a lot sounding well. 
>
>
>
>   
>> I think you're right about the resonant characteristics. In truth, the 
>> sound itself wasn't so bad, it just carried about two feet and just died 
>> there. No projection worth a damn. Maybe a good sound in studio though ?
>>     
>
> Not sure it has to deal with
> the dimensions finally, as my own bass (acoustic/solid body at the same
> time) just sounds awesome with deep basses, and very accurate sound. By
> the way, many non-linear acoustics phenomenons permits to get basses
> with small-dimensions instruments, and I think you can't think in
> another way if you want the instrument to be human-playable. I mean
> 100Hz is already a 1.7m wavelength, I wouldn't have to play on an
> instrument which is sized to produce 20Hz!!!
>
>   
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>>     
>
>   
Anyone with experience with  the  Cort GB34A ?
http://www.cort.co.kr/english/products/common/view.asp?product_id=76



From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul  8 10:26:48 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:26:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Problems building jsampler
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081458500.6749@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>
	<200807081446.59204.brummer-@web.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081458500.6749@arima>
Message-ID: <200807081626.50238.brummer-@web.de>

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 15:00:05 schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hi!
>    OK, now it somehow works. but I can't simply start the console I heard
> of. the program WANTS to use the graphic. It seems I can't dissuade
> jsapmler from trying to use the awt x11 routines. Is there a switch to do
> so?
>    Kindest regards
>           Julien
>
> --------
> Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
>
> ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
> http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
> the Linux TextBased Studio guide
> ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
> http://www.juliencoder.de

Hi

I use the script  /jsampler/scripts/js-classic or/and fantasia to start 
jsampler. I edit the $JAVA_HOME Path and the $JS_CLASSIC_PATH start 
linuxsampler with the script and let linuxsampler load the instrument-db 
which I store in my $HOME. 
At least I kill linuxsampler with the script when I close jsampler, because I 
am mostly run linuxsampler with a GUI.
I do the same for jsampler -fantasia. 
jsampler dont start or kill linuxsampler as default. normaly you can use 
jsampler to make your settings, close jsampler and play, open jsampler and 
edit again your settings close it again . . . . 

regards   hermann


From julien at c-lab.de  Tue Jul  8 10:31:48 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:31:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Problems building jsampler
In-Reply-To: <200807081626.50238.brummer-@web.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>
	<200807081446.59204.brummer-@web.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081458500.6749@arima>
	<200807081626.50238.brummer-@web.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081630010.6749@arima>

Hi!
   this is not the problem. I can start jsampler with the modified script. I 
did so. But either Christian or someone else told me that jsampler also has a 
console interface, like simple telnet only a bit more comfortable (TAB 
completion etc.). My problem is: I don't have a GUI running and it won't help 
me running a GUI. So can I start jsampler with the console/telnet interface 
only?
   Kindest regards
           Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From holborn at telefonica.net  Tue Jul  8 10:57:38 2008
From: holborn at telefonica.net (holborn)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:57:38 +0100
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
Message-ID: <200807081557.39023.holborn@telefonica.net>

Hi

rakarrack 0.2.0 is released

Changes:

New Effects: 

Intelligent Harmonizer  ( see http://rakarrack.wiki.sourceforge.net/Harmonizer 
for details )
Musical Delay (see http://rakarrack.wiki.sourceforge.net/Musical+Delay for 
details)
Cabinet Emulation using the ZynAddSubFx EQ engine.
WahWah adapted from ZynaddSubFx Dynamic Filter 
Alienwah adapted from ZynaddSubFx AlienWah
AutoPan 
NoiseGate based on the Steve Harris ladspa gate plugin.

- New widgets
- RGB Selection Color
- More MIDI controllable parameters
- Jack autoconnection selectable
- New Presets
- minor bugs fixed


http://rakarrack.sourceforge.net

Thanks

Josep


From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul  8 12:53:31 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:53:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Problems building jsampler
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081630010.6749@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>
	<200807081626.50238.brummer-@web.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081630010.6749@arima>
Message-ID: <200807081853.32045.brummer-@web.de>

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 16:31:48 schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hi!
>    this is not the problem. I can start jsampler with the modified script.
> I did so. But either Christian or someone else told me that jsampler also
> has a console interface, like simple telnet only a bit more comfortable
> (TAB completion etc.). My problem is: I don't have a GUI running and it
> won't help me running a GUI. So can I start jsampler with the
> console/telnet interface only?
>    Kindest regards
>            Julien

Ups, sorry, my english . . . 
But it sounds strange to me, build a java based GUI to run it as nonGUI ?
I realy dont know if it is possible with jsampler

regards   hermann


From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul  8 13:33:27 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:33:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
In-Reply-To: <200807081557.39023.holborn@telefonica.net>
References: <200807081557.39023.holborn@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <200807081933.29503.brummer-@web.de>

Hi

great, thanks a lot for this nice application. I realy like the midi 
converter, it make so mutch fun to use it for a "band in the box effekt" 
(bass + drums + trumpet) and play the blues. . .  . cant stop it . . . 

I build the package for debian/unstable and store it here :
http://www.brummer.de.hm/unstable.de
if someone need it.

Thanks a lot and regards    
                                           hermann

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 16:57:38 schrieb holborn:
> Hi
>
> rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
>
> Changes:
>
> New Effects:
>
> Intelligent Harmonizer  ( see
> http://rakarrack.wiki.sourceforge.net/Harmonizer for details )
> Musical Delay (see http://rakarrack.wiki.sourceforge.net/Musical+Delay for
> details)
> Cabinet Emulation using the ZynAddSubFx EQ engine.
> WahWah adapted from ZynaddSubFx Dynamic Filter
> Alienwah adapted from ZynaddSubFx AlienWah
> AutoPan
> NoiseGate based on the Steve Harris ladspa gate plugin.
>
> - New widgets
> - RGB Selection Color
> - More MIDI controllable parameters
> - Jack autoconnection selectable
> - New Presets
> - minor bugs fixed
>
>
> http://rakarrack.sourceforge.net
>
> Thanks
>
> Josep
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 14:07:42 2008
From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:07:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <48736A8B.6070909@gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>	<1214934749.3785.0.camel@linux>	<486A816D.4090306@gmail.com>	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux>	<486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux>	<486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>	<4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com>	<20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>
	<48736A8B.6070909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4873ACEE.5070107@gmail.com>

schoappied wrote:
> Aurelien wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 08:16:33AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote :
>>   
>>     
>>> Andre Majorel wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> On 2008-07-02 08:42 +0200, schoappied wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> What are the advantages or disadvantages of an acoustic bass? 
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> Guitar-sized acoustic basses ? IME, they sound like shit. May have
>>>> to do with the case being too small to resonate effectively at low
>>>> frequencies.
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> I agree. I've played a couple "acoustic bass guitars", they did indeed 
>>> sound poorly. I forget the name of the Mexican guitar-like bass, but 
>>> McCabe's (in LA) sold quite a few of those when buyers realized how much 
>>> better they sounded than the $$$ Dreadnaught-style basses.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Depends on the price you put in, obviously. Actually, I quite agree with
>> you, I haven't heard a lot sounding well. 
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> I think you're right about the resonant characteristics. In truth, the 
>>> sound itself wasn't so bad, it just carried about two feet and just died 
>>> there. No projection worth a damn. Maybe a good sound in studio though ?
>>>     
>>>       
>> Not sure it has to deal with
>> the dimensions finally, as my own bass (acoustic/solid body at the same
>> time) just sounds awesome with deep basses, and very accurate sound. By
>> the way, many non-linear acoustics phenomenons permits to get basses
>> with small-dimensions instruments, and I think you can't think in
>> another way if you want the instrument to be human-playable. I mean
>> 100Hz is already a 1.7m wavelength, I wouldn't have to play on an
>> instrument which is sized to produce 20Hz!!!
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> dp
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>   
>>     
> Anyone with experience with  the  Cort GB34A ?
> http://www.cort.co.kr/english/products/common/view.asp?product_id=76
>
>   
Can I practice with the bass using my maudio dmp 3 preamp, my linux box 
and speakers?


From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul  8 14:20:08 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:20:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
In-Reply-To: <200807081933.29503.brummer-@web.de>
References: <200807081557.39023.holborn@telefonica.net>
	<200807081933.29503.brummer-@web.de>
Message-ID: <200807082020.08531.brummer-@web.de>

ups, wrong adress debian/unstable package is here
http://www.brummer.de.hm/unstable.html

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 19:33:27 schrieb Hermann Meyer:
> Hi
>
> great, thanks a lot for this nice application. I realy like the midi
> converter, it make so mutch fun to use it for a "band in the box effekt"
> (bass + drums + trumpet) and play the blues. . .  . cant stop it . . .
>
> I build the package for debian/unstable and store it here :
> http://www.brummer.de.hm/unstable.de
> if someone need it.
>
> Thanks a lot and regards
>                                            hermann
>
> Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 16:57:38 schrieb holborn:
> > Hi
> >
> > rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
> >
> > Changes:
> >
> > New Effects:
> >
> > Intelligent Harmonizer  ( see
> > http://rakarrack.wiki.sourceforge.net/Harmonizer for details )
> > Musical Delay (see http://rakarrack.wiki.sourceforge.net/Musical+Delay
> > for details)
> > Cabinet Emulation using the ZynAddSubFx EQ engine.
> > WahWah adapted from ZynaddSubFx Dynamic Filter
> > Alienwah adapted from ZynaddSubFx AlienWah
> > AutoPan
> > NoiseGate based on the Steve Harris ladspa gate plugin.
> >
> > - New widgets
> > - RGB Selection Color
> > - More MIDI controllable parameters
> > - Jack autoconnection selectable
> > - New Presets
> > - minor bugs fixed
> >
> >
> > http://rakarrack.sourceforge.net
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Josep
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user


From crypto at online.de  Tue Jul  8 14:21:38 2008
From: crypto at online.de (Crypto)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:21:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] problem accessing vst gui
In-Reply-To: <20080708103404.276850@gmx.net>
References: <20080708103404.276850@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200807082021.38824.crypto@online.de>

Hi Susanne,

I am not familar with Ardourvst, but I have found that vsthost which is based 
on DSSI-VST has been the best way for me so far to get my VST to run. And 
newer versions of wine have not changed that. On my debian-based distribution 
I can easyly update wine and (which occurs rarely) DSSI-VST.

Do You need Ardourvst as a host for running VSTs (only)? If so You might have 
greater success in getting Your VSTs to run if You use DSSI-VST.

Have You had a look at websites that tell if a particular VST (Your VSTs) runs 
on linux, and with which VST host?

Regards,
Crypto.

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 12:34:04 schrieb Susanne Schneider:
> I'm using some spare vst plugins in Ardourvst 2.4.1. In my Suse 10.3 with
> Fluxbox I still use wine-0.9.52 for this, because newer wineversions cause
> the following behaviour of the vst gui: when opening the vst gui, there are
> 2 windows popping up, the one is empty, only showing enable/disable button,
> the other one is the functional vst gui. Reopening them a second time after
> having them closed is impossible, the vst gui remains disappeared. I then
> have to close and restart Ardourvst for newly gaining access to the vst
> gui. Under KDE I have this strange behaviour with every wine version (but
> this doesn't bother me so much because I love Fluxbox anyway). And: YES, I
> did activate the "allow windowmanager to ... (or so)" option in wineconfig.
>
> Now, in most actual Suse 11, there is no way to downgrade wine (or I just
> didn't yet find a way). my question: does anybody experience similar
> problems and how do you solve them? thanks
> Susanne


From leslie.polzer at gmx.net  Tue Jul  8 14:41:42 2008
From: leslie.polzer at gmx.net (Leslie P. Polzer)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:41:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
Message-ID: <64528.88.73.218.230.1215542502.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>


Great new plugins, presets and minor goodies! Thanks a whole lot!!

  Leslie



From jh at brainiac.com  Tue Jul  8 15:07:06 2008
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:07:06 -0400
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
In-Reply-To: <64528.88.73.218.230.1215542502.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
References: <64528.88.73.218.230.1215542502.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
Message-ID: <20080708150706.9a439e4a.jh@brainiac.com>

I'm currently at work (reading my email remotely) and can't follow the
link given.  Can someone tell me what rakarrack is?  I may want to get
it, but would love to know what it does before I do.

Thanks!

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


From xbran at web.de  Tue Jul  8 15:43:45 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:43:45 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <48729A7F.3090801@gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<48725572.8040102@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807071115x2ba696efib9c4585a4c71b643@mail.gmail.com>
	<48727ACA.3010703@gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807071357j5e58b043x95743505facd64f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48729A7F.3090801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807081243m76cc9c7ep15b2519c64340201@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/8 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> About oldconfig and menu config:
>
> When I want to use exactly the same config file as you have (copied that
> .config to the new to build kernel folder)... Should I do oldconfig and/or
> xconfig?

if the config-file matches the kernel version a copy should be enough

as I understand it, oldconfig is only required with a new or modified
kernel-version
i.O. to update it for new config-options.

> or just start to build that kernel? And what if the .config file is
> from a much older kernel?

it doesn't have all the config options then;
I would expect make to fail

> what will happen with the new kernel configure
> options? And when you do make oldconfig.. what should be the answer to the
> ask questions? just hit ENTER or N, y, m ?

with some exeptions m should be ok,
but just hitting enter, without understanding what happens
can blaot/break your kernel config (with incompatible/unrecommended
options etc.)
so it's a good idea to "?" first.
I would expect [enter] to choose a reasonable default, but who knows...

regarding your problem:
I would guess a misconfiguration of your system
( maybe it's grub, maybe fstab, initrd.img, ... )

and btw.: please don't always quote the whole message on reply
just necessary phrases with direct relation.
in general we all know, what has been written before in the discussion-thread...


From susemuse27 at gmx.de  Tue Jul  8 15:54:17 2008
From: susemuse27 at gmx.de (Susanne Schneider)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:54:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] problem accessing vst gui
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1212422401.29237.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.3.1212422401.29237.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <4873C5E9.2020702@gmx.de>

Dave, thanks a lot for your hints, I discovered a couple of 
gdiplus.dll's on my XP installation, took the youngest and put it in my 
.wine/.../system32 folder, adjusted the winecfg - and unfortunately 
nothing changed so far...

Crypto, just tried vsthost and it seems to do what it should do *lol* - 
so I've got a solution so far.

thanks a lot guys :-)
Susanne


From xbran at web.de  Tue Jul  8 15:54:28 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:54:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Regarding the linux-audio lists announcing policy
In-Reply-To: <3704a1de82921bf306a26b1c097e5c20@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807081649360.10456@ttleush>
	<1215531919.19874.62.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20080708172741.GF25114@fliwatut.scifi>
	<3704a1de82921bf306a26b1c097e5c20@localhost>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807081254t24e094d8g28c574134f3119a5@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/8 MarcOChapeau <marco at marcochapeau.org>:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:27:41 +0200, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
>> Dave Robillard hat gesagt: // Dave Robillard wrote:
>>
>> If you
>> subscribe pd-list, you automatically also receive pd-announce, while
>> if you subscribe pd-announce only, you only get pd-announce mails.
>
> Interesting suggestion.

yes.
Ideally, announces would only be discussed in lau-list.
A web-interface, that allowed lau-list (only)-subscribers to announce
to lau-announce
(without being subscribed there), would also be great then. :)


From marco at marcochapeau.org  Tue Jul  8 16:00:18 2008
From: marco at marcochapeau.org (MarcOChapeau)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:00:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [LAD] Regarding the linux-audio lists announcing policy
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807081254t24e094d8g28c574134f3119a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807081649360.10456@ttleush>
	<1215531919.19874.62.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20080708172741.GF25114@fliwatut.scifi>
	<3704a1de82921bf306a26b1c097e5c20@localhost>
	<5eb95dc90807081254t24e094d8g28c574134f3119a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <691d836d3b1ad4a369c6c19610cbe141@localhost>

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:54:28 +0200, "Emanuel Rumpf" <xbran at web.de> wrote:
> yes.
> Ideally, announces would only be discussed in lau-list.
devs can be interested in discussing the release of a library...

> A web-interface, that allowed lau-list (only)-subscribers to announce
> to lau-announce
Users who make announcements are called devs ;-)

> (without being subscribed there), would also be great then. :)
linux-audio-announce is an open list, anyone can post, every email sent
ends up in the moderation queue.

-- Marc-Olivier Barre --
 --- MarcO'Chapeau ----
- www.marcochapeau.org -



From xbran at web.de  Tue Jul  8 16:07:37 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:07:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
In-Reply-To: <20080708150706.9a439e4a.jh@brainiac.com>
References: <64528.88.73.218.230.1215542502.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<20080708150706.9a439e4a.jh@brainiac.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807081307i7d7ef27y6a50acf30542476f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/8 Joe Hartley <jh at brainiac.com>:
> Can someone tell me what rakarrack is?  I may want to get
> it, but would love to know what it does before I do.

It's a virtual audio effect rack.
Amazing effects.
Nice and friendly Gui.
You need it ! ;-)


From jh at brainiac.com  Tue Jul  8 16:23:22 2008
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:23:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807081307i7d7ef27y6a50acf30542476f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64528.88.73.218.230.1215542502.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<20080708150706.9a439e4a.jh@brainiac.com>
	<5eb95dc90807081307i7d7ef27y6a50acf30542476f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080708162322.a432ce11.jh@brainiac.com>

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:07:37 +0200
"Emanuel Rumpf" <xbran at web.de> wrote:

> 2008/7/8 Joe Hartley <jh at brainiac.com>:
> > Can someone tell me what rakarrack is?  I may want to get
> > it, but would love to know what it does before I do.
> 
> It's a virtual audio effect rack.
> Amazing effects.
> Nice and friendly Gui.
> You need it ! ;-)

It sounds like I do!  Thanks :)

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Tue Jul  8 16:40:10 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:40:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] rakarrack 0.2.0 is released
In-Reply-To: <20080708162322.a432ce11.jh@brainiac.com>
References: <64528.88.73.218.230.1215542502.squirrel@mail.stardawn.org>
	<20080708150706.9a439e4a.jh@brainiac.com>
	<5eb95dc90807081307i7d7ef27y6a50acf30542476f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080708162322.a432ce11.jh@brainiac.com>
Message-ID: <1215549610.28485.0.camel@linux>

Hey 

Cool tool thumbs up :)

/Sv-e
tir, 08 07 2008 kl. 16:23 -0400, skrev Joe Hartley:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:07:37 +0200
> "Emanuel Rumpf" <xbran at web.de> wrote:
> 
> > 2008/7/8 Joe Hartley <jh at brainiac.com>:
> > > Can someone tell me what rakarrack is?  I may want to get
> > > it, but would love to know what it does before I do.
> > 
> > It's a virtual audio effect rack.
> > Amazing effects.
> > Nice and friendly Gui.
> > You need it ! ;-)
> 
> It sounds like I do!  Thanks :)
> 



From v2 at iki.fi  Tue Jul  8 17:17:14 2008
From: v2 at iki.fi (Sampo Savolainen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:17:14 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Problems building jsampler
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081458500.6749@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081417500.6605@arima>
	<200807081446.59204.brummer-@web.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807081458500.6749@arima>
Message-ID: <1215551834.6283.2.camel@mustis>

On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 15:00 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hi!
>    OK, now it somehow works. but I can't simply start the console I heard of. 
> the program WANTS to use the graphic. It seems I can't dissuade jsapmler from 
> trying to use the awt x11 routines. Is there a switch to do so?

Try adding -Djava.awt.headless=true to the command line. Be sure to add
that before the main class and not after it - otherwise the java virtual
machine will use that as a parameter to the program not a parameter to
the VM.

  Sampo



From florin at andrei.myip.org  Tue Jul  8 20:24:02 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:24:02 -0700
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org>

Dave Phillips wrote:
> 
>     http://www.vimeo.com/groups/1156/videos/1295336
> 
>     http://www.vimeo.com/groups/1156/videos/1295510
> 
> Image transformations/animations by the OpenGL shading language (GLSL), 
> sound by Csound5, using Jean-Pierre Lemoine's AVSynthesis.

Very nice. I tried this software a while ago but it was a pain to 
install. Hopefully that will change.

A few observations:
You render 800x600 frames (4:3) yet the active area is only 800x340. 
That's a very nice cinema-like 2.35:1 format, but it's a waste of space 
in a 4:3 frame - the letterboxing is just wasting precious bandwidth in 
the video stream and the image quality decreases. Yes, it's just black 
pixels, but even those don't come 100% for free.

Never letterbox anything while making a video that will be played on a 
computer (a "square pixel" video). Let the player worry about that, it's 
the player's job not yours.

If you create a video that will be played on computers (such as an AVI 
with video encoded as MPEG4 or something like that), use square pixels, 
and either render 800x600 full frame (4:3 image format), or 800x340 if 
you prefer the cinema format, but again full frame, no letterboxing. Or 
render 800x450 full frame if you want 16:9.

mjpegtools on Linux give you a full processing chain that can be used to 
tweak the image and remove letterboxing, if you can't convince 
AVSynthesis directly to not letterbox.
Similarly, AviSynth on Windows (and on Linux under WINE) can do the same.

If you make something for a standalone player, let's say an MPEG2 file 
that will be authored as DVD, you can still render full frame if you 
choose one of the accepted image formats: either 4:3 or 16:9.

In that case, just create the master images with AVSynthesis at either 
4:3 or 16:9 format for the active area, remove letterboxing in an 
intermediate step, then create an MPEG2 stream at 720x480 and specify in 
the encoder that you're actually using the 4:3 or 16:9 image format and 
let the player and the display deal with image scaling and letterboxing. 
That's called an image with "non-square pixels" and is very common - all 
DVDs use that.

If you want other image formats on DVD, you still have to make it 
720x480, specify a default image format (4:3, 16:9) that's closest to 
the one you desire, and then you will have to letterbox a little bit. 
Usually, the commercial 2.35:1 movies on DVD use the 16:9 MPEG2 image 
format (actual resolution: 720x480 with non-square pixels) and letterbox 
the image a little bit.

If you go HD, you can again use square pixels - just begin with a 
1920x1080 active area and use square pixels all the way to the end (an 
AVCHD file or a BD-R).

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From julien at c-lab.de  Wed Jul  9 04:13:41 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:13:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] General perfrmance question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091009320.9177@arima>

Hi everyone!
   I just fooled around with LinuxSampler and ecasound, my favourite recording 
tool. And I wonder:
is a system with 512M of memory and a 2.8gHz supposed to handle a running LS 
and recording at the same time. When I stress LS alone (no recording started) 
I can get it up to about 20-28% CPU usage and memory usage of LS was 82%. 
There's no GUI on my system and not much else which is eating at the CPU and 
memory. The other CPU costs are minimal, estimate of 4-6%.
   If that kind of system is supposed to handel my demands, I should look for 
troublemakers, because LS gave me glitches while recording.
   Kindest regards
         Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From julien at c-lab.de  Wed Jul  9 04:22:33 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:22:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>

Hello Kjetil!
   I just installed and ran jack_capture a couple of times. Sometimes it 
crashes with this:
jack_capture[28116]: segfault at 08072000 eip 0804b1f0 esp bffa6c70 error 6
Segmentation fault
   Funny, now I tried it again, it doesn't do it again. The error message was 
something like:
...
zombified
JACK shutdown.
   The setup was: LinuxSampler running and MPlayer playing. Recording from 
mplayer or recording from LinuxSampler with MPlayer finished.
   The zombified error only came, when I hit RETURN ctrl-c respectively. So it 
didn't crash while working there.
   Any idea why that might have happend? Oh one last note: I don't have 
meterbridge installed.
   Kindest regards
      Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 06:47:06 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:47:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <48661248.4050507@web.de>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>
	<48639853.6020609@web.de>	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de>
Message-ID: <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>

R.Wolff wrote:
> schoappied schrieb:
>
> Sorry, no, I didn't realize I was sending to you only. This one gets me just so 
> often...
>
>   
>> Thanks, for your comment... (did you realize it was just to me and not 
>> to the LAU mailinglist?)
>>
>>     
>
> I have some limited experience playing other keyboards/E-Pianos than my own old 
> Roland JX-305, which is a 61-semi weighted keys synth which specialised in 
> 'Dance, R&B, Techno' etc kind of sounds. It was the keyboard version of the 
> MC-505 Groovebox in fact. Initially, I started off as a guitarist and just 
> wanted to have a keyboard/synth to play some accompaniments to my guitar 
> noodling. Today I play more keyboard then guitar, also for other reasons.
>
> I have tried/played some diff. keyboards/controllers, like i.e. the M-Audio 
> Keystation Pro 88 (favoring a controller/softsynth approach), some of the better 
> Roland/Yamaha Stagepianos, the Yamaha CP-series and then some...
> I personally most often preferred the Roland keys in the lower pricerange, the 
> Yamaha keys win in the upper pricerange IMHO. The CP series i.e. are all high 
> quality, keys and soundwise. But then these are all outta your pricerange I 
> guess, unless you'll find some 2nd hand top offer.													
>   
>> I think you speak some right words.. Have you experience with playing 
>> elektr. piano/ keyboards?
>>
>>     
>
> Polyphony is the max playable number of notes that can be played at any one 
> time. So, if you're playing a simple C chord, you'll use up 3 voices of 
> polyphony (C - E - G). But if now you keep them ringing with the sustain pedal 
> to play some single notes over your chord, you stack up the voices.
> Since Piano/E-Piano playing very much involves your sustain pedal, it quickly 
> builds up to way more then 32 voices.
>
>   
>> Where do you use polyphony for? Does 64-voices of polyphony also mean 
>> that the keyboard has 64 keys?
>>
>>     
>
> Good luck in your search. It may be worth checking local garage sales, flea 
> markets and the 'for sale' columns of your local newspaper/hebdomadal magazines.
>
>   
>> Yes, I try to find somewhat second hand.
>>
>> And I will take some hours to test a bit in a local store. Good advice, 
>> thanks!
>>
>> Dirk
>>
>>     
>
> Cheers
> Raphael ;)
>   
Because I don't think I can afford a real good electric piano, maybe I 
should just go for a cheapo keyboard to be able to play with notes, 
musical structures, scales etc. in companion with software stuff on linux.

What about this one? De m-audio keystation ? Is this a good one? Other 
comparable stuff which is good?

http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_keystation_88es.htm


From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  9 07:33:07 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:33:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>



On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Julien Claassen wrote:

> Hello Kjetil!
>  I just installed and ran jack_capture a couple of times. Sometimes it 
> crashes with this:
> jack_capture[28116]: segfault at 08072000 eip 0804b1f0 esp bffa6c70 error 6
> Segmentation fault
>  Funny, now I tried it again, it doesn't do it again. The error message was 
> something like:
> ...
> zombified
> JACK shutdown.
>  The setup was: LinuxSampler running and MPlayer playing. Recording from 
> mplayer or recording from LinuxSampler with MPlayer finished.
>  The zombified error only came, when I hit RETURN ctrl-c respectively. So it 
> didn't crash while working there.
>  Any idea why that might have happend? Oh one last note: I don't have 
> meterbridge installed.
>   Kindest regards
>      Julien

Ouch, thanks for reporting. But I'm not quite sure what happened.
Is this the correct events?:

1. Started LinuxSampler and Mplayer
2. Started jack_capture without any arguments.
3. Pressed RETURN or ctrl-c in jack_capture terminal
4. Got the message "zombified" and "JACK shutdown"
    in jack_capture terminal
5. jack_capture segfaults

Also, which version of jack are you running? There was
a bug in jack recently which could make jack crash when a program
exited. (I don't think jack_capture shouldn't segfault even because
of that bug though)



From jorge.salgueiro at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 07:46:43 2008
From: jorge.salgueiro at gmail.com (Jorge Salgueiro)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:46:43 +0200
Subject: [LAU] auroramixer
Message-ID: <212aa9db0807090446p41aad0f9x3c841a2bda0bd720@mail.gmail.com>

An open source mixer:

http://www.auroramixer.com/

via engadget.com
-- 

Um abra?o, Jorge Salgueiro
.................................................................
Use GNU/Linux: free culture for a free society
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From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  9 07:50:06 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:50:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091346180.5259@ttleush>


(cc to jack-devel)

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Julien Claassen wrote:
>
>>  Hello Kjetil!
>>  I just installed and ran jack_capture a couple of times. Sometimes it
>>  crashes with this:
>>  jack_capture[28116]: segfault at 08072000 eip 0804b1f0 esp bffa6c70 error
>>  6
>>  Segmentation fault
>>  Funny, now I tried it again, it doesn't do it again. The error message was
>>  something like:
>>  ...
>>  zombified
>>  JACK shutdown.
>>  The setup was: LinuxSampler running and MPlayer playing. Recording from
>>  mplayer or recording from LinuxSampler with MPlayer finished.
>>  The zombified error only came, when I hit RETURN ctrl-c respectively. So
>>  it didn't crash while working there.
>>  Any idea why that might have happend? Oh one last note: I don't have
>>  meterbridge installed.
>>    Kindest regards
>>       Julien
>
> Ouch, thanks for reporting. But I'm not quite sure what happened.
> Is this the correct events?:
>
> 1. Started LinuxSampler and Mplayer
> 2. Started jack_capture without any arguments.
> 3. Pressed RETURN or ctrl-c in jack_capture terminal
> 4. Got the message "zombified" and "JACK shutdown"
>   in jack_capture terminal
> 5. jack_capture segfaults
>
> Also, which version of jack are you running? There was
> a bug in jack recently which could make jack crash when a program
> exited. (I don't think jack_capture shouldn't segfault even because
> of that bug though)
>

Okay, the segfault in jack_capture has been fixed. I
had screwed up the handling of jack shutdown. New
version of jack_capture is uploaded.

I think though, that the reason jack shut down in the
first place, is because of a bug in jack. I don't know
the status of that situation. Perhaps someone on the
jack list can say something about whether it has
been fixed.



From julien at c-lab.de  Wed Jul  9 08:01:00 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091339470.9177@arima>

Hi!
    That was almost the right sequence of events, but I gave jack_capture:
-p option for MPlayer and an output file.
    I'm running JACK 0.109.2 some svn version. Should I get the latest svn?
    Kindest regards
         Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  9 08:11:46 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:11:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091339470.9177@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091339470.9177@arima>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091405580.5259@ttleush>


(cc to jack-dev)

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Julien Claassen wrote:

> Hi!
>   That was almost the right sequence of events, but I gave jack_capture:
> -p option for MPlayer and an output file.

Great, those options shouldn't make a difference.

Also, do you remember if you pressed RETURN or CTRL-C to
stop jack_capture?

CTRL-C sends a SIGINT signal
to jack_capture, which perhaps can explain why
jack suddenly decided to shut down. (wild guessing)

Pressing RETURN is a lot cleaner.


>    I'm running JACK 0.109.2 some svn version. Should I get the latest svn?
>    Kindest regards
>         Julien

At least, if you are able to reproduce the shutdown, trying the latest
jack svn might be very useful for helping the jack development.



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  9 08:18:23 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:18:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091405580.5259@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091339470.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091405580.5259@ttleush>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091417280.5259@ttleush>



On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:

>
> (cc to jack-dev)
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Julien Claassen wrote:
>
>>  Hi!
>>    That was almost the right sequence of events, but I gave jack_capture:
>>  -p option for MPlayer and an output file.
>
> Great, those options shouldn't make a difference.
>
> Also, do you remember if you pressed RETURN or CTRL-C to
> stop jack_capture?
>
> CTRL-C sends a SIGINT signal
> to jack_capture, which perhaps can explain why
> jack suddenly decided to shut down. (wild guessing)
>
> Pressing RETURN is a lot cleaner.

Hold on, I'm doing a lot of illegal things in the signal handler.
That could perhaps explain everything. I'm fixing that now.



From julien at c-lab.de  Wed Jul  9 09:40:03 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:40:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091405580.5259@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091339470.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091405580.5259@ttleush>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091538350.9177@arima>

Hi Kjetil!
   I pressed RETURN.
   I'll try if I can reproduce this "cleanly". :-( And if I find the case, I'll 
get latest JACK and mail you the result.
   Kindest regards
          Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Wed Jul  9 10:19:48 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:19:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com> <48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <4874C904.1000507@woh.rr.com>

Florin Andrei wrote:
>> ... using Jean-Pierre Lemoine's AVSynthesis.
>>     
>
> Very nice. I tried this software a while ago but it was a pain to 
> install. Hopefully that will change.
>   
No, it's still a bit of a pain. ;)

It's very specific about its requirements, e.g. Csound 5.08 compiled for 
double precision, which means the user is probably going to have build 
some stuff.

> A few observations:
>   
Thanks again, Florin. Have you considered writing a HOWTO or a dedicated 
Web site for this information ? It's obvious you know it very well, and 
it would be great to have a 1-stop web site for it.

Btw, the Vimeo site converts my videos, but I don't know to what format. 
Given what you've seen and understand of the site, what would be my 
best-choice options for rendering the AVSynthesis images to video ? As 
you note, I'm currently rendering to 800x600, but I'll gladly switch to 
something better if you advise. Here's the routine I'm using for 
creating 1-pass videos from the AVS images:

mencoder -oac copy -audiofile ../render.wav -ovc lavc -lavcopts 
vcodec=mpeg4:vme=1:keyint=30:vbitrate=1000 -vf scale=800:600 -noskip -mf 
type=tga:fps=30 -o foo.avi mf://@list


"list" is of course the ordered list of the TGA images. The routine 
creates decent video, not as good as I'd like but at least the resulting 
file is not so huge. FYI, there's a 500 MB limit per week for uploads at 
Vimeo.

> mjpegtools on Linux give you a full processing chain that can be used to 
> tweak the image and remove letterboxing, if you can't convince 
> AVSynthesis directly to not letterbox.
Just to clarify: AVS does no rendering to video at all, it simply 
creates the image sequence. I have control over the recorder frame rate 
and the image width & height, that's all that's available to me in AVS 
itself.

Thanks again for your assistance, Florin, it is greatly apreciated. I'm 
starting to understand this stuff better, but it's a lot for my tired 
old brain to learn and comprehend. :)

Best,

dp





From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Jul  9 10:52:05 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:52:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091538350.9177@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091339470.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091405580.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091538350.9177@arima>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0807091650480.3261@notam02.uio.no>

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Julien Claassen wrote:

> Hi Kjetil!
>    I pressed RETURN.
>    I'll try if I can reproduce this "cleanly". :-( And if I find the case, I'll 
> get latest JACK and mail you the result.
>    Kindest regards
>           Julien

Okay, it's most likely a jack problem then. I also fixed the
signal handler problems in jack_capture.



From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Jul  9 10:55:02 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:55:02 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Jack-Devel]  [ANN] jack_capture V0.9.19,
 Snd-ls	V0.9.8.17 and Rollendurcmesserzeitsammler V0.0.4
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0807091650480.3261@notam02.uio.no>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807061512450.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091014200.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091326500.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091339470.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807091405580.5259@ttleush>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091538350.9177@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0807091650480.3261@notam02.uio.no>
Message-ID: <1215615302.7559.38.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 16:52 +0200, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Julien Claassen wrote:
> 
> > Hi Kjetil!
> >    I pressed RETURN.
> >    I'll try if I can reproduce this "cleanly". :-( And if I find the case, I'll 
> > get latest JACK and mail you the result.
> >    Kindest regards
> >           Julien
> 
> Okay, it's most likely a jack problem then. I also fixed the
> signal handler problems in jack_capture.

jackd 0.109.2 has its share of problems. jackd in svn has most of them
fixed. we'll do a new release when time permits.




From frohro at wallawalla.edu  Wed Jul  9 11:13:49 2008
From: frohro at wallawalla.edu (Rob Frohne)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:13:49 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Problems with capture on an Audigy 2 ZS Notebook....
Message-ID: <1215616429.8145.22.camel@frohro-d600.wls.wwc.edu>

Hi All,

I'm using Ubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04, and am having problems with sound
capture using jackd, and also using fldigi with oss or portaudio.  Sound
output seems to work just fine, and fiddling with the mixer, I can set
it up so I can monitor the sound input on the output.  I just can't get
it working in jackd or fldigi (and I haven't tried other applications
yet).  I have tried other sound cards and they work just fine, including
the Indigo IO and the built in sound card.

?Any ideas or tips on how to debug this would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Rob
-- 
Rob Frohne <frohro at wallawalla.edu>
Walla Walla University



From hollunder at gmx.at  Wed Jul  9 12:15:44 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:15:44 +0200
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <48725D27.2040509@woh.rr.com>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
	<87d4lp33g2.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<48725D27.2040509@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20080709181544.5c0de861@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:15:03 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Esben Stien wrote:
> >
> > As this site requires flash, it's unavailable to me; Can you please
> > make it available somewhere else or provide a direct flv download
> > link or provide a tool, such as clive, to extract the video from
> > the site?
> 
> You can download the original AVI from the file's page, the link is
> near the bottom right corner, right under the gray bar that says
> Downloads. :)
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 


I found something that says download on the vimeo page (without flash),
but one needs to log-in to do that.

Philipp


From dsbaikov at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 12:16:10 2008
From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:16:10 +0400
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <4873ACEE.5070107@gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux> <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux> <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>
	<4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com> <20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>
	<48736A8B.6070909@gmail.com> <4873ACEE.5070107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70a871c80807090916y65b20fe2h331c6014aeca86e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM, rosea <rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can I practice with the bass using my maudio dmp 3 preamp, my linux box
> and speakers?

Sure! I play my bass through DMP3, and I like the sound.


Dmitry.


From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 12:27:40 2008
From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:27:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <70a871c80807090916y65b20fe2h331c6014aeca86e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>	
	<1214941814.3794.1.camel@linux> <486AAF15.2020207@gmail.com>	
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux> <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>	
	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>	
	<4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com>
	<20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>	
	<48736A8B.6070909@gmail.com> <4873ACEE.5070107@gmail.com>
	<70a871c80807090916y65b20fe2h331c6014aeca86e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4874E6FC.9020109@gmail.com>

Dmitry Baikov wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM, rosea <rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Can I practice with the bass using my maudio dmp 3 preamp, my linux box
>> and speakers?
>>     
>
> Sure! I play my bass through DMP3, and I like the sound.
>
>
> Dmitry.
>
>   
It doesn't break your speakers?


From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Wed Jul  9 13:53:39 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:53:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Firewire and Video ?
Message-ID: <1215626020.3761.7.camel@linux>

Hi
I'm having a little trouble figuring out how to connect my video camera
and my laptop via FireWire. 

I have installed and loaded following modules:

linux:/home/sem # lsmod|grep ieee
ieee1394               96384  2 raw1394,sbp2
linux:/home/sem #

But Kino cant find the camera, although there is a little indicator in
the cameras display saying that dv-in is connected ? I've tried to do an
chmod 777 on /dev/raw1394 without any luck.


Can anyone help, thanks in advantage.


/Sv-e



From markknecht at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 14:07:01 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:07:01 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Firewire and Video ?
In-Reply-To: <1215626020.3761.7.camel@linux>
References: <1215626020.3761.7.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807091107l77990bb6u673c32aa5664a601@mail.gmail.com>

you probably need the 1394dv driver. I don't remember what it's called
but it implements the digital video stack. you can find info on the
linux-1394 web site. most likely you'll load it and be in good shape
as long as your camera is fairly standard.

hope this helps,
mark

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen <sv-e at sv-e.dk> wrote:
> Hi
> I'm having a little trouble figuring out how to connect my video camera
> and my laptop via FireWire.
>
> I have installed and loaded following modules:
>
> linux:/home/sem # lsmod|grep ieee
> ieee1394               96384  2 raw1394,sbp2
> linux:/home/sem #
>
> But Kino cant find the camera, although there is a little indicator in
> the cameras display saying that dv-in is connected ? I've tried to do an
> chmod 777 on /dev/raw1394 without any luck.
>
>
> Can anyone help, thanks in advantage.
>
>
> /Sv-e
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From zotz at 100jamz.com  Wed Jul  9 14:14:02 2008
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:14:02 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Firewire and Video ?
In-Reply-To: <1215626020.3761.7.camel@linux>
References: <1215626020.3761.7.camel@linux>
Message-ID: <200807091414.02908.zotz@100jamz.com>

On Wednesday 09 July 2008 13:53:39 Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> Hi
> I'm having a little trouble figuring out how to connect my video camera
> and my laptop via FireWire.
>
> I have installed and loaded following modules:
>
> linux:/home/sem # lsmod|grep ieee
> ieee1394               96384  2 raw1394,sbp2
> linux:/home/sem #
>
> But Kino cant find the camera, although there is a little indicator in
> the cameras display saying that dv-in is connected ? I've tried to do an
> chmod 777 on /dev/raw1394 without any luck.

try dvgrab

try kino and dvgrab as root only as a test

if this doesn't help and no one else gives the answer, shout at me on the 
weekend sometime and I will try and pull out a machine with firewire and a dv 
camera and test some things for you. Right now we are in the middle of 
renovations and things are packed away.
>
>
> Can anyone help, thanks in advantage.
>
>
> /Sv-e

all the best,

drew





From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Wed Jul  9 14:41:20 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:41:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Firewire and Video ?
In-Reply-To: <200807091414.02908.zotz@100jamz.com>
References: <1215626020.3761.7.camel@linux>
	<200807091414.02908.zotz@100jamz.com>
Message-ID: <1215628880.3761.9.camel@linux>

Thanks Mark and Drew, you helped me a little futher I think, I'll dig
into it a couple of hours to see if I can get it rolling !




Thanks again

/Sv-e
ons, 09 07 2008 kl. 14:14 -0400, skrev drew Roberts:
> On Wednesday 09 July 2008 13:53:39 Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> > Hi
> > I'm having a little trouble figuring out how to connect my video camera
> > and my laptop via FireWire.
> >
> > I have installed and loaded following modules:
> >
> > linux:/home/sem # lsmod|grep ieee
> > ieee1394               96384  2 raw1394,sbp2
> > linux:/home/sem #
> >
> > But Kino cant find the camera, although there is a little indicator in
> > the cameras display saying that dv-in is connected ? I've tried to do an
> > chmod 777 on /dev/raw1394 without any luck.
> 
> try dvgrab
> 
> try kino and dvgrab as root only as a test
> 
> if this doesn't help and no one else gives the answer, shout at me on the 
> weekend sometime and I will try and pull out a machine with firewire and a dv 
> camera and test some things for you. Right now we are in the middle of 
> renovations and things are packed away.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone help, thanks in advantage.
> >
> >
> > /Sv-e
> 
> all the best,
> 
> drew
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From florin at andrei.myip.org  Wed Jul  9 15:50:19 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:50:19 -0700
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <4874C904.1000507@woh.rr.com>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com> <48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org>
	<4874C904.1000507@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4875167B.8080101@andrei.myip.org>

Dave Phillips wrote:
> Florin Andrei wrote:
>>> ... using Jean-Pierre Lemoine's AVSynthesis.
>>>     
>> Very nice. I tried this software a while ago but it was a pain to 
>> install. Hopefully that will change.
> 
> It's very specific about its requirements, e.g. Csound 5.08 compiled for 
> double precision, which means the user is probably going to have build 
> some stuff.

That's fine. I can put custom things in /opt if need be, I do that all 
the time with SVN snapshots and stuff like that. I'm not a coding expert 
but I'm comfortable with the GNU build tools.

Is there an AVS Install HOWTO for Linux?

> Thanks again, Florin. Have you considered writing a HOWTO or a dedicated 
> Web site for this information ? It's obvious you know it very well, and 
> it would be great to have a 1-stop web site for it.

This is standard knowledge in the field of video processing. Anyone who 
has spent some time with cameras and NLEs and stuff like that will tell 
you the same things.

What I could do is write a video HOWTO specifically for AVS, to allow 
people to create videos with this application at the best quality 
available with free software. You know, make a DVD or a BD that looks as 
good as possible, or a clip that will look good on Vimeo.
And then that could be included in a more general "AVS for Linux HOWTO", 
with installation procedures and stuff like that. But I can only take 
care of the video part.

But for that to happen I need to install AVS first and play with it 
myself. I tried that a while ago and gave up in despair. :-/

Whipping up a quick clip is easy. Making a video that looks good is not 
so easy. The situation is complicated by the fact that AVS was designed, 
from a video perspective, a bit simplistically: it pretty much assumes 
integer frame rates. That's fine for computer video. It's not fine for 
video made to be watched on a TV: NTSC video is not 30 fps, it's 29.97; 
"film" video (film-looking progressive digital material) is not 24 fps, 
it's 23.98.
Europeans (some of them at least) are in an easier situation - the PAL 
frame rate is not fractional, it's 25 fps exactly.

We discussed this before, I'm just re-hashing it for the benefit of 
everyone else - with AVS you can either choose to ignore the numbers 
after the decimal point and decide that NTSC is really 30 fps, and then 
you either have to de-tune the audio track or risk audio/video 
desynchronization. Or you can run the video track through a complex 
filter to adjust the frame rate and the results may sometimes be less 
than ideal if you don't use a very good filter.

> Btw, the Vimeo site converts my videos, but I don't know to what format. 
> Given what you've seen and understand of the site, what would be my 
> best-choice options for rendering the AVSynthesis images to video ?

There's no simple answer.
You have to come up with a procedure to generate the video file that 
will be uploaded. They have a few recommendations...

http://www.vimeo.com/help/compression

...which essentially boil down to "H.264 with AAC at 30 or 25 fps", but 
then turn around and say they convert everything to 24. I guess some 
experiments are required.
Eugenia Loli-Queru has several HOWTOs regarding the different formats 
recommended for Vimeo...

http://www.vimeo.com/forums/topic:3671

...but those are geared towards people using typical NLEs and stuff like 
that. Even so, it's a bit of a hit-and-miss - her Vegas HOWTO didn't 
work for me very well with material from an AVCHD camera, it created 
choppy video. I didn't try yet other methods.

http://www.vimeo.com/1224139
http://www.vimeo.com/1223670

See? Even when doing "classic" video, things can still go wrong. With 
computer generated video the complexity is even higher.

There's a bunch of interconnected decisions that need to be made, going 
back to the AVS parameters, and that's why I'm saying I'd like to try 
this software myself before blurting out random advice that may not be 
so helpful after all.

Tools such as mencoder create the illusion that video is easy. Yes, bad 
video is easy. Good video is not, you have to deal with fractional frame 
rates, interlacing, video encoders that create non-standard video (hello 
ffmpeg!), etc.

> Just to clarify: AVS does no rendering to video at all, it simply 
> creates the image sequence. I have control over the recorder frame rate 
> and the image width & height, that's all that's available to me in AVS 
> itself.

Yup, that should be enough. The collection of images just needs to be 
fed into the processing chain, and then all kinds of things can happen: 
cropping, resizing, interlacing, changing the frame rate, etc. Once 
you're in the uncompressed domain, almost anything is doable.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 17:26:26 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:26:26 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>	<48639853.6020609@web.de>	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>	<48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48752D02.6020004@gmail.com>

schoappied wrote:
> R.Wolff wrote:
>   
>> schoappied schrieb:
>>
>> Sorry, no, I didn't realize I was sending to you only. This one gets me just so 
>> often...
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Thanks, for your comment... (did you realize it was just to me and not 
>>> to the LAU mailinglist?)
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> I have some limited experience playing other keyboards/E-Pianos than my own old 
>> Roland JX-305, which is a 61-semi weighted keys synth which specialised in 
>> 'Dance, R&B, Techno' etc kind of sounds. It was the keyboard version of the 
>> MC-505 Groovebox in fact. Initially, I started off as a guitarist and just 
>> wanted to have a keyboard/synth to play some accompaniments to my guitar 
>> noodling. Today I play more keyboard then guitar, also for other reasons.
>>
>> I have tried/played some diff. keyboards/controllers, like i.e. the M-Audio 
>> Keystation Pro 88 (favoring a controller/softsynth approach), some of the better 
>> Roland/Yamaha Stagepianos, the Yamaha CP-series and then some...
>> I personally most often preferred the Roland keys in the lower pricerange, the 
>> Yamaha keys win in the upper pricerange IMHO. The CP series i.e. are all high 
>> quality, keys and soundwise. But then these are all outta your pricerange I 
>> guess, unless you'll find some 2nd hand top offer.													
>>   
>>     
>>> I think you speak some right words.. Have you experience with playing 
>>> elektr. piano/ keyboards?
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> Polyphony is the max playable number of notes that can be played at any one 
>> time. So, if you're playing a simple C chord, you'll use up 3 voices of 
>> polyphony (C - E - G). But if now you keep them ringing with the sustain pedal 
>> to play some single notes over your chord, you stack up the voices.
>> Since Piano/E-Piano playing very much involves your sustain pedal, it quickly 
>> builds up to way more then 32 voices.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Where do you use polyphony for? Does 64-voices of polyphony also mean 
>>> that the keyboard has 64 keys?
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> Good luck in your search. It may be worth checking local garage sales, flea 
>> markets and the 'for sale' columns of your local newspaper/hebdomadal magazines.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Yes, I try to find somewhat second hand.
>>>
>>> And I will take some hours to test a bit in a local store. Good advice, 
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>> Dirk
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> Cheers
>> Raphael ;)
>>   
>>     
> Because I don't think I can afford a real good electric piano, maybe I 
> should just go for a cheapo keyboard to be able to play with notes, 
> musical structures, scales etc. in companion with software stuff on linux.
>
> What about this one? De m-audio keystation ? Is this a good one? Other 
> comparable stuff which is good?
>
> http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_keystation_88es.htm
> _______________________________________________
>
>   
I'm also wondering how a midi keyboard sounds... ok it will be dependent 
on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with 
vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my 
speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard?



From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com  Wed Jul  9 17:46:47 2008
From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:46:47 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Rubber Band v1.2 available
Message-ID: <472dd1a20807091446r1fb42051g5f567e5ca85caf29@mail.gmail.com>

Rubber Band is an audio time-stretching and pitch-shifting library and
utility designed for musical applications.

 http://www.breakfastquay.com/rubberband/

It includes a library that supports a sample-accurate multithreaded
offline mode and a real-time lock-free streaming mode; a command-line
utility program; and a LADSPA pitch-shifter plugin.  Version 1.2 is
faster in most situations, better sounding in many, and less
potentially subject to patent claims than version 1.0.1 was.

Rubber Band is Free Software under the GNU GPL.


Chris


From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 17:48:27 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:48:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx crashes when loading a new bank
Message-ID: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com>

Everytime I want to change an instrument/ bank in zynsubaddfx (beginner 
mode), it crashes...

$ zynaddsubfx

ZynAddSubFX - Copyright (c) 2002-2005 Nasca Octavian Paul
Compiled: Dec 18 2007 21:09:57
This program is free software (GNU GPL v.2) and
    it comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.

Try 'zynaddsubfx --help' for command-line options.
Sound Buffer Size =     256 samples
Internal latency =      5.8 ms
ADsynth Oscil.Size =    512 samples
Internal SampleRate   = 44100
Jack Output SampleRate= 44100
cannot complete execution of the processing graph (Resource temporarily 
unavailable)
zombified - calling shutdown handler



From fons at kokkinizita.net  Wed Jul  9 17:41:00 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:41:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <48752D02.6020004@gmail.com>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>
	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>
	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>
	<48639853.6020609@web.de> <48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<48752D02.6020004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080709214100.GC3007@zita2.kokkinizita.net>

On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:26:26PM +0200, schoappied wrote:

> I'm also wondering how a midi keyboard sounds... ok it will be dependent 
> on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with 
> vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my 
> speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard?

This probably just means you're overloading something. Either
the digital signal (reduce volume in the synth), or the analog
one (reduce volume in your soundcard's mixer).

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From norv2001 at yahoo.com.au  Wed Jul  9 19:47:00 2008
From: norv2001 at yahoo.com.au (Norval Watson)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:47:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
Message-ID: <205175.9338.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>





"What about this one? De m-audio keystation ? Is this a good one? Other 
comparable stuff which is good?
http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_keystation_88es.htm"

I'm happy with my CME UF keyboard controller. Cheap price here in Australia.
http://www.cme-pro.com/products-list/product-uf.html
Norv


      Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. www.yahoo7.com.au


From dsbaikov at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 03:47:04 2008
From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:47:04 +0400
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <4874E6FC.9020109@gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<1214977691.3777.2.camel@linux> <486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>
	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>
	<4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com> <20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>
	<48736A8B.6070909@gmail.com> <4873ACEE.5070107@gmail.com>
	<70a871c80807090916y65b20fe2h331c6014aeca86e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4874E6FC.9020109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70a871c80807100047t758a6426i75c7b17528c7beaf@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:27 PM, rosea <rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dmitry Baikov wrote:
>> Sure! I play my bass through DMP3, and I like the sound.
>>
> It doesn't break your speakers?

I play through DMP3 only for practicing, and use a reasonable volume level,
and sometimes play through tube pedal (Tube Factor), which nicely eats
the peaks.

Dmitry.


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Thu Jul 10 03:46:59 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:46:59 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <48752D02.6020004@gmail.com>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<48752D02.6020004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807100947.09073.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2008 schrieb schoappied:
> I'm also wondering how a midi keyboard sounds... ok it will be dependent
> on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with
> vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my
> speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard?

A pure-midi keyboard doesn't sound. Except for the "klack" of the keys going 
down. :-)

For the audio-part (done by the synths) it is unimportant wether the 
midi-signal is coming from a virtual keyboard in the pc, a real keyboard 
(wether or not that has an own sound generator) or a sequencer application...

Only with a midi keyboard you have more control over the volume of the signal 
if the soundfont uses the velocity to modulate the volume of the sample. So 
you might start playing softer to not overload your audio. But that is in 
fact the wrong cure for the symptoms. As Fons pointed out the volume of the 
synth or the soundcard is to high. Better fix that...

Hope that helps,

Arnold
-- 
visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/
---
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to all your contacts.
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From ken at restivo.org  Thu Jul 10 04:53:35 2008
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:53:35 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Moltar! Grab my ankles and pull!
Message-ID: <20080710085335.GA972@restivo.org>

I was digging through my disk, and discovered this atrocity made almost a year ago, with Linux and PureData and a sample from Space Ghost:

http://www.restivo.org/music/krmusic/roughideas/21stCentury/moltar-atrocity-0.1.ogg

Not Creative Commons by any means. And very different than what I've been working on lately. But whatever, enjoy.

Latest band project is here: http://www.audiobraillemusic.com

I found an enclosure I can use for my Mini-ATX Linux synth: I'm using an old plastic 2" analog tape case. Retro cool. I'll probably have to put some kind of metallic sheilding on the inside of it to act as a Faraday cage.

The project is stuck right now as I have to deal with live-helper's configuration and haven't had the patience recently. Then I have to solder a parallel port connector onto the 2x80 char LCD display.

-ken


From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 04:53:01 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:53:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <20080709214100.GC3007@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>
	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>	<48639853.6020609@web.de>
	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>	<48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com>	<48752D02.6020004@gmail.com>
	<20080709214100.GC3007@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
Message-ID: <4875CDED.7050103@gmail.com>

Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:26:26PM +0200, schoappied wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm also wondering how a midi keyboard sounds... ok it will be dependent 
>> on which soundfile you use... but when I play three tones at ones with 
>> vkeybd or zynaddsubfx I hear a distorted sound comming out of my 
>> speakers... How's that with a midi keyboard?
>>     
>
> This probably just means you're overloading something. Either
> the digital signal (reduce volume in the synth), or the analog
> one (reduce volume in your soundcard's mixer).
>
>   
Thanks, you where right!




From lars.luthman at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 05:25:53 2008
From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:25:53 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx crashes when loading a new bank
In-Reply-To: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com>
References: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1215681953.4123.25.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 23:48 +0200, schoappied wrote:
> Everytime I want to change an instrument/ bank in zynsubaddfx (beginner 
> mode), it crashes...

Zyn is not realtime safe and when it does something nasty jackd will
kick it from the graph, which it doesn't cope with very well. You can
try increasing your JACK buffer size, JACK client timeout or use
softmode (-s) as workarounds, but ultimately Zyn needs to be fixed. I've
said that I'll do this on the Zyn mailing list, and I will - just a bit
busy with other stuff at the moment.

There, now I've said it on this list as well.


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From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 05:31:22 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:31:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx crashes when loading a new bank
In-Reply-To: <1215681953.4123.25.camel@localhost>
References: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com> <1215681953.4123.25.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4875D6EA.2080908@gmail.com>

Lars Luthman wrote:
>  but ultimately Zyn needs to be fixed. I've
> said that I'll do this on the Zyn mailing list, and I will - just a bit
> busy with other stuff at the moment.
>
>   
Yes, it's a pitty that it doesn't work properly. I like that synth and 
know many people do. But now it pretty useless for me... :(
Would be great if it will be fixed! :)


> ------------------------------------------------------------------------


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul 10 05:34:44 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:34:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Moltar! Grab my ankles and pull!
In-Reply-To: <20080710085335.GA972@restivo.org>
References: <20080710085335.GA972@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <4875D7B4.5050006@woh.rr.com>

Ken Restivo wrote:
> I was digging through my disk, and discovered this atrocity made almost a year ago, with Linux and PureData and a sample from Space Ghost:
>
> http://www.restivo.org/music/krmusic/roughideas/21stCentury/moltar-atrocity-0.1.ogg
>   
Now that's what I call an early morning wake-up call !

I'm up now, Ken. :)

"Well, it's a got a good beat and I like the lyrics. I give it about a 
7, Dick."

Sounds like it was fun to put together too. Thanks for sharing (again), 
Ken, I love the spirit you put into everything you play & record.

Best,

dp



From peder at musikhuset.org  Thu Jul 10 05:34:37 2008
From: peder at musikhuset.org (peder at musikhuset.org)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:34:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <4875167B.8080101@andrei.myip.org>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
	<48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org> <4874C904.1000507@woh.rr.com>
	<4875167B.8080101@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <20080710113437.6v2kjtvhgggw4o0c@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>:

> it pretty much assumes
> integer frame rates. That's fine for computer video. It's not fine for
> video made to be watched on a TV: NTSC video is not 30 fps, it's 29.97;
> "film" video (film-looking progressive digital material) is not 24 fps,
> it's 23.98.

And it's even worse; since NTSC isn't even 29,97, it's 3000/1001.

- Peder



From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul 10 05:36:08 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:36:08 -0400
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx crashes when loading a new bank
In-Reply-To: <4875D6EA.2080908@gmail.com>
References: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com> <1215681953.4123.25.camel@localhost>
	<4875D6EA.2080908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4875D808.6050704@woh.rr.com>

schoappied wrote:
> Lars Luthman wrote:
>   
>>  but ultimately Zyn needs to be fixed. I've
>> said that I'll do this on the Zyn mailing list, and I will - just a bit
>> busy with other stuff at the moment.
>>
>>   
>>     
> Yes, it's a pitty that it doesn't work properly. I like that synth and 
> know many people do. But now it pretty useless for me... :(
> Would be great if it will be fixed! :)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a project already that aims to 
do this ?

Best,

dp



From marco at marcochapeau.org  Thu Jul 10 05:47:49 2008
From: marco at marcochapeau.org (MarcOChapeau)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:47:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx crashes when loading a new bank
In-Reply-To: <4875D808.6050704@woh.rr.com>
References: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com> <1215681953.4123.25.camel@localhost>
	<4875D6EA.2080908@gmail.com> <4875D808.6050704@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <db2ec84ae49d3d29b83693b7857b95fe@localhost>

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:36:08 -0400, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
wrote:
>> Yes, it's a pitty that it doesn't work properly. I like that synth and
>> know many people do. But now it pretty useless for me... :(
>> Would be great if it will be fixed! :)
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a project already that aims to
> do this ?

Zyn the lv2 plugin by nedko ?

-- Marc-Olivier Barre --
 --- MarcO'Chapeau ----
- www.marcochapeau.org -



From peder at musikhuset.org  Thu Jul 10 06:00:33 2008
From: peder at musikhuset.org (peder at musikhuset.org)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:00:33 +0200
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <20080710113437.6v2kjtvhgggw4o0c@www.musikhuset.org>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
	<48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org> <4874C904.1000507@woh.rr.com>
	<4875167B.8080101@andrei.myip.org>
	<20080710113437.6v2kjtvhgggw4o0c@www.musikhuset.org>
Message-ID: <20080710120033.qkw7fmlev4s44404@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting peder at musikhuset.org:

> Quoting Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>:
>
>> it pretty much assumes
>> integer frame rates. That's fine for computer video. It's not fine for
>> video made to be watched on a TV: NTSC video is not 30 fps, it's 29.97;
>> "film" video (film-looking progressive digital material) is not 24 fps,
>> it's 23.98.
>
> And it's even worse; since NTSC isn't even 29,97, it's 3000/1001.

...and film is 24000/1001...

- Peder




From peder at musikhuset.org  Thu Jul 10 06:03:12 2008
From: peder at musikhuset.org (peder at musikhuset.org)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:03:12 +0200
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <20080710113437.6v2kjtvhgggw4o0c@www.musikhuset.org>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
	<48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org> <4874C904.1000507@woh.rr.com>
	<4875167B.8080101@andrei.myip.org>
	<20080710113437.6v2kjtvhgggw4o0c@www.musikhuset.org>
Message-ID: <20080710120312.wc9kq4eum8sg488w@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting peder at musikhuset.org:

> Quoting Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>:
>
>> it pretty much assumes
>> integer frame rates. That's fine for computer video. It's not fine for
>> video made to be watched on a TV: NTSC video is not 30 fps, it's 29.97;
>> "film" video (film-looking progressive digital material) is not 24 fps,
>> it's 23.98.
>
> And it's even worse; since NTSC isn't even 29,97, it's 3000/1001.

Oops! Forgot a zero. It's 30000/1001

- Peder




From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul 10 06:42:36 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:42:36 -0400
Subject: [LAU] webcam with Pd ?
In-Reply-To: <eee389550807080612u1316246bt924d50f06645a9d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48734E89.9090902@woh.rr.com>
	<eee389550807080612u1316246bt924d50f06645a9d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4875E79C.9040406@woh.rr.com>

Michal Seta wrote:
> ... there are several packages that support a camera input:
> GEM, pdp (which you probably already know) and gridflow
> (www.gridflow.ca). Gridflow is a matrix based image processing
> library.
>
> ...
>
> Note, that if you are mostly interested in GEM, [pix_video] does not
> work for you but either pdp or gridflow does, there a bridges for
> exchanging between pdp and GEM or gridflow and GEM.
>
>   
Thanks a lot Michael, I will definitely look into both pdp and gridflow.

Thanks also to Frank and Danni, the input is greatly appreciated.

Guess what I'll be working on today... :)

Best,

dp





From luigi_curzi at yahoo.it  Thu Jul 10 09:52:22 2008
From: luigi_curzi at yahoo.it (luigi curzi)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:52:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Rubber Band v1.2 available
In-Reply-To: <472dd1a20807091446r1fb42051g5f567e5ca85caf29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472dd1a20807091446r1fb42051g5f567e5ca85caf29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080710155222.316a0aae@pozzaibe>

Il giorno Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:46:47 +0100
"Chris Cannam" <cannam at all-day-breakfast.com> ha scritto:

> Rubber Band is an audio time-stretching and pitch-shifting library and
> utility designed for musical applications.
> 
>  http://www.breakfastquay.com/rubberband/
> 
> It includes a library that supports a sample-accurate multithreaded
> offline mode and a real-time lock-free streaming mode; a command-line
> utility program; and a LADSPA pitch-shifter plugin.  Version 1.2 is
> faster in most situations, better sounding in many, and less
> potentially subject to patent claims than version 1.0.1 was.
> 
> Rubber Band is Free Software under the GNU GPL.
> 
> 
> Chris

to compile whit gcc 4.3, i must add "#include <cstdlib>" in
src/sysutils.cpp.

ciao
Luigi
-- 
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Io sono 
lo sbaglio, il momento di confusione, l'inopportuno

		Non sono niente.
	      Non sar? mai niente.
	Non posso volere d'essere niente.
A parte questo, ho in me tutti i sogni del mondo.

					F. Pessoa
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*


From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com  Thu Jul 10 10:12:28 2008
From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:12:28 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Rubber Band v1.2 available
In-Reply-To: <20080710155222.316a0aae@pozzaibe>
References: <472dd1a20807091446r1fb42051g5f567e5ca85caf29@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080710155222.316a0aae@pozzaibe>
Message-ID: <472dd1a20807100712t67038ca5j2596d8868f80c41f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:52 PM, luigi curzi <luigi_curzi at yahoo.it> wrote:
> to compile whit gcc 4.3, i must add "#include <cstdlib>" in
> src/sysutils.cpp.

Gah!  And I tested it with gcc-4.3 as well.  I guess using the
gcc-snapshot in Ubuntu is not quite the same thing as using a
gcc-4.3-based system.  Thanks for the report.  Oh, how I despise
gcc-4.3 for refusing to compile any code I have ever written.

Well, I guess we might see a 1.2.1 release shortly then... but I have
a few other things to do first.  Like put out a new release of Sonic
Visualiser that probably won't compile with gcc-4.3 either.  La la la.


Chris


From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Thu Jul 10 10:57:33 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:57:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807101654430.18735@ttleush>


Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
>Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
>AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
>foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
>my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
>recording.

Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)

[1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
that cron job.

From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com  Thu Jul 10 11:07:39 2008
From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:07:39 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Sonic Visualiser v1.3 now available!
Message-ID: <472dd1a20807100807n52c07f0aj346d322c3697ec0b@mail.gmail.com>

Sonic Visualiser is an application for inspecting and analysing the
contents of music audio files. It combines powerful waveform and
spectral visualisation tools with automated feature extraction plugins
and annotation capabilities.

Version 1.3 of Sonic Visualiser is now available.

    http://www.sonicvisualiser.org/

This is a feature release, containing several new features and a
number of bug fixes over the previous 1.2 release.  For more details,
please read the release notes at

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=612594

Sonic Visualiser contains advanced waveform and spectrogram viewers,
as well as editors for many sorts of audio annotations. Besides
visualisation, it can make and play selections based on the locations
of automatically detected features, seamlessly loop playback of single
or multiple noncontiguous regions, synthesise annotations for
playback, slow down playback while retaining display synchronisation,
and show the ongoing alignment in time between multiple recordings of
a piece with different timings.

Sonic Visualiser supports the Vamp plugin API for plugins that extract
descriptive or analytical data from audio.  Vamp plugins for onset,
pitch and note detection, tempo tracking, chromagram analysis,
constant-Q spectrogram, spectral centroid, power curve, key
estimation, tonal change detection, harmonic spectrogram, structural
segmentation, timbral similarity, audio alignment calculation and a
large number of low-level spectral features are available.  There is
also a comprehensive SDK for use by developers of Vamp plugins and
hosts.  For more information about Vamp plugins, please see:

    http://www.vamp-plugins.org/

Sonic Visualiser was developed at the Centre for Digital Music,
Queen Mary, University of London:

    http://www.elec.qmul.ac.uk/digitalmusic/

Sonic Visualiser is Free Software distributed under the GNU General
Public License.  The 1.3 release is available now in source code form
or as binaries for Linux, OS/X, and Windows.


Chris


From lars.luthman at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 11:09:22 2008
From: lars.luthman at gmail.com (Lars Luthman)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:09:22 +0200
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx crashes when loading a new bank
In-Reply-To: <db2ec84ae49d3d29b83693b7857b95fe@localhost>
References: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com>
	<1215681953.4123.25.camel@localhost> <4875D6EA.2080908@gmail.com>
	<4875D808.6050704@woh.rr.com>
	<db2ec84ae49d3d29b83693b7857b95fe@localhost>
Message-ID: <1215702562.3877.2.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 11:47 +0200, MarcOChapeau wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:36:08 -0400, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >> Yes, it's a pitty that it doesn't work properly. I like that synth and
> >> know many people do. But now it pretty useless for me... :(
> >> Would be great if it will be fixed! :)
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a project already that aims to
> > do this ?
> 
> Zyn the lv2 plugin by nedko ?

Yes, Nedko is porting the synth engines to LV2 plugins, squashing any RT
bugs in the process. I'm less ambitious, I want to keep ZynAddSubFX the
way it is now, but make it work reliably in realtime mode.

Not that I'm against the Zyn/LV2 project - I'd love to have the synth
engines as separate plugins for some modular goodness.


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From schivmeister at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 11:40:23 2008
From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:40:23 +0800
Subject: [LAU] Rubber Band v1.2 available
In-Reply-To: <472dd1a20807100712t67038ca5j2596d8868f80c41f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472dd1a20807091446r1fb42051g5f567e5ca85caf29@mail.gmail.com>
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	<472dd1a20807100712t67038ca5j2596d8868f80c41f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <291cdeab0807100840l3ba0fa13obfbdb23e7b1ceccf@mail.gmail.com>

LOL

I don't think you can run away from it though. Just issue a sed from
toplevel dir to inject all known includes..and demand more RAM as well ;)
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From xbran at web.de  Thu Jul 10 13:44:38 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:44:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <3811DCDEAC3A4AF08571B8EBABFE0AA7@Ebsco016>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<3811DCDEAC3A4AF08571B8EBABFE0AA7@Ebsco016>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807101044q63d22908j2c42f0e5b6145902@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/10 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:

> What about intel 32-bit?

My system is 32-bit. And the config I provided too.
I'm not informed, if and what would be required to be changed for 64-bit.
-- If that was your question ?


From mis at artengine.ca  Thu Jul 10 14:13:02 2008
From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:13:02 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Problems with capture on an Audigy 2 ZS Notebook....
In-Reply-To: <1215616429.8145.22.camel@frohro-d600.wls.wwc.edu>
References: <1215616429.8145.22.camel@frohro-d600.wls.wwc.edu>
Message-ID: <eee389550807101113me3f8212h5279abd34fb08f53@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was having the same problem the other day.  In fact, when I first
acquired this audio interface there was no support for capture.  It
was introduced a little later in the alsa drivers (I can't recall but
it was possibly around alsa version 1.0.15rc9 IIRC or something like
that).  It worked fine for a while.

Recently, I tried the card again and trying to enable capture in
alsamixer crashes the driver(?) (I may be wrong but I believe that it
has stopped working since upgrading to Ubuntu 7.xx and it is still my
current OS).  I did not have time to investigate/test further, I put
it off for later but I would be interested in getting it to work
again.

./MiS

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Rob Frohne <frohro at wallawalla.edu> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm using Ubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04, and am having problems with sound
> capture using jackd, and also using fldigi with oss or portaudio.  Sound
> output seems to work just fine, and fiddling with the mixer, I can set
> it up so I can monitor the sound input on the output.  I just can't get
> it working in jackd or fldigi (and I haven't tried other applications
> yet).  I have tried other sound cards and they work just fine, including
> the Indigo IO and the built in sound card.
>
> ?Any ideas or tips on how to debug this would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
> --
> Rob Frohne <frohro at wallawalla.edu>
> Walla Walla University
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>



-- 
./MiS
514-344-0726
http://www.creazone.ca

From folderol at ukfsn.org  Thu Jul 10 14:38:59 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:38:59 +0100
Subject: [LAU] zynaddsubfx crashes when loading a new bank
In-Reply-To: <1215702562.3877.2.camel@localhost>
References: <4875322B.1070406@gmail.com> <1215681953.4123.25.camel@localhost>
	<4875D6EA.2080908@gmail.com> <4875D808.6050704@woh.rr.com>
	<db2ec84ae49d3d29b83693b7857b95fe@localhost>
	<1215702562.3877.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20080710193859.19338f1c@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:09:22 +0200
Lars Luthman <lars.luthman at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 11:47 +0200, MarcOChapeau wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:36:08 -0400, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Yes, it's a pitty that it doesn't work properly. I like that synth and
> > >> know many people do. But now it pretty useless for me... :(
> > >> Would be great if it will be fixed! :)
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a project already that aims to
> > > do this ?
> > 
> > Zyn the lv2 plugin by nedko ?
> 
> Yes, Nedko is porting the synth engines to LV2 plugins, squashing any RT
> bugs in the process. I'm less ambitious, I want to keep ZynAddSubFX the
> way it is now, but make it work reliably in realtime mode.
> 
> Not that I'm against the Zyn/LV2 project - I'd love to have the synth
> engines as separate plugins for some modular goodness.
> 
> 
> --ll

While I can see the benefit of having the synth engines in LV2 plugins,
for me it is important to have Zyn as it is - but bugless :)

I've developed a number of sounds that use two, and sometimes all three
engines, and even a multi-layered one that uses a kit of four 'voices'.
I shudder to think about how complex it would become trying to manage
this lot as separate plugins!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Thu Jul 10 15:06:45 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:06:45 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807101044q63d22908j2c42f0e5b6145902@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<3811DCDEAC3A4AF08571B8EBABFE0AA7@Ebsco016>
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Message-ID: <200807102206.46307.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Thursday 10 July 2008 20:44:38 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/10 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> > What about intel 32-bit?
>
> My system is 32-bit. And the config I provided too.
> I'm not informed, if and what would be required to be changed for 64-bit.
> -- If that was your question ?
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
In the arch subdirectory, there is no i386 folder. This symlink to this would 
be created (I have to do this myself with debian's stuff) when making the 
kernel.

~$ ls /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23-rt1/arch
alpha  blackfin  h8300  m32r       mips     ppc   sh64     um      xtensa
arm    cris      i386   m68k       parisc   s390  sparc    v850
avr32  frv       ia64   m68knommu  powerpc  sh    sparc64  x86_64
-$ ls /usr/src/linux-2.6.25.8/arch
alpha  blackfin  h8300    m32r       mips     powerpc  sh       um    xtensa
arm    cris      ia64     m68k       mn10300  ppc      sparc    v850
avr32  frv       Kconfig  m68knommu  parisc   s390     sparc64  x86

I guess the "x86" would be it. 


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Thu Jul 10 16:43:46 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:43:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807101654430.18735@ttleush>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807101654430.18735@ttleush>
Message-ID: <200807102243.55131.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> >Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
> >AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
> >foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
> >my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
> >recording.
> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
> that cron job.

My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a 
jackd is running, they don't start...

Arnold
-- 
visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/
---
Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me 
to all your contacts.
After a month or so log in as root and do a "rm -rf /". Or ask your 
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From garry.ogle at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Jul 10 17:39:29 2008
From: garry.ogle at tiscali.co.uk (garryo)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:39:29 +0100
Subject: [LAU] General perfrmance question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091009320.9177@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091009320.9177@arima>
Message-ID: <g55vl0$88c$1@ger.gmane.org>

Julien Claassen wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>    I just fooled around with LinuxSampler and ecasound, my favourite recording 
> tool. And I wonder:
> is a system with 512M of memory and a 2.8gHz supposed to handle a running LS 
> and recording at the same time. When I stress LS alone (no recording started) 
> I can get it up to about 20-28% CPU usage and memory usage of LS was 82%. 
> There's no GUI on my system and not much else which is eating at the CPU and 
> memory. The other CPU costs are minimal, estimate of 4-6%.
>    If that kind of system is supposed to handel my demands, I should look for 
> troublemakers, because LS gave me glitches while recording.
>    Kindest regards
>          Julien
> 
> --------
> Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
> 
> ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
> http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
> the Linux TextBased Studio guide
> ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
> http://www.juliencoder.de

hi, julien. i use linuxsampler but with the qsampler gui, so i did a 
test using qps to get the stats.
my box is also 2.8 ghz but i have 1.5G of ram.
at idle linuxsampler ( not including gui ) uses 1% cpu maximum.
if i bang up and down on as many keys as i can with both forearms cpu 
use reaches 22%.
memory use obviously depends on the size of the loaded soundfont.
if i load the biggest font i have - maestro grand piano v2 - memory use
is 187M, again not including gui.
with 512M of ram and no X running this should not stress your system.
are you using a really big soundfont?
is ecasound using a lot of ram at idle?

G.



From rncbc at rncbc.org  Thu Jul 10 18:44:41 2008
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:44:41 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qsynth 0.3.3 Knobs Galore!
Message-ID: <487690D9.4060206@rncbc.org>

Greetings,

Thanks to Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas and Guido Scholz, this Qsynth release 
is now a reality. Main new features are a the new rotating knob style 
options, first full translations, German and Spanish and last but not 
least, there's this Windows(TM) all-in-one package available (includes 
FluidSynth port) for your (sick:) pleasure only. Please read below the 
brilliant notes from Pedro about this breakthrouth release. Yes, 
before's too late:

   Qsynth 0.3.3 (unstable-qt4) is out!

For the clueless, Qsynth is a Qt GUI frontend application to the 
excellent FluidSynth (http://www.fluidsynth.org) soft-synth library 
implementation for the SoundFont 2 specifications.

Available from the usual place:

   http://qsynth.sourceforge.net
   http://sourceforge.net/projects/qsynth

There's the change log for this point release:

- Due to some trouble with newer Qt >= 4.4 applications regarding font 
size configuration, a new global user option is now available to the 
rescue: Options.../Other/Base font size (default is no-op).

- Knobs: graphic styles are now QStyle derived classes, which are 
assigned to the knobs using QWidget::setStyle(). Three styles  are 
implemented in this way, supporting also the legacy QDial:
* Our former look, tweaked and ported from Sonic Visualizer.
* A port of the new look implemented by David Garcia.
* Another ported widget style, designed by Giuseppe Cigala.

- Spanish translation added.

- Attempt to load Qt's own translation support and get rid of the ever 
warning startup message, unless built in debug moderr; also introducing 
the very first and complete German translation (patching transaction by 
Guido Scholz, thanks).

- Messages file logging makes its first long overdue appearance, with 
user configurable settings in Options/Logging.

- Only one application instance is now allowed to be up and running, 
with immediate but graceful termination upon startup iif an already 
running instance is detected, which will see its main widget shown up 
and all engines started automatically (Qt/X11 platform only).</li>

Notes about the Windows(TM) package:
(http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qsynth/qsynth-0.3.3-setup.exe)

* It is a bundle of Fluidsynth 1.0.8 (patched) and QSynth 0.3.3, 
compiled in Windows with MinGW 3.4.2 and Qt 4.4.0. The package includes 
all the required libraries except DirectX-9, which should be installed 
before. The setup program itself was created with NSIS 2.37 
(http://nsis.sf.net)

* The patch for Fluidsynth (attached) was needed to allow QSynth to 
specify the name of a MIDI port to be opened other than the first one. 
The patch was sent to the Fluid-dev mailing list, but maybe we could 
offer it also in the QSynth web site? Link to the mailing list message:
   http://www.mail-archive.com/fluid-dev at nongnu.org/msg00816.html

* Users should not expect the same functionality level in Windows 
compared to the Linux version. In windows it is not possible to connect 
the MIDI out from one program to the MIDI input of another application. 
QSynth/Fluidsynth needs to read MIDI events from a real MIDI device, as 
a keyboard. For something similar to the ALSA sequencer routing 
capabilities, you can try MIDIOX/MIDIYoke (http://midiox.com)

Cheers && Enjoy
--
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela


From loki.davison at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 22:16:57 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:16:57 +1000
Subject: [LAU] General perfrmance question
In-Reply-To: <g55vl0$88c$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091009320.9177@arima>
	<g55vl0$88c$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <ec9314860807101916tacaad98ka78fdef724e56e0f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:39 AM, garryo <garry.ogle at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Julien Claassen wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>>    I just fooled around with LinuxSampler and ecasound, my favourite recording
>> tool. And I wonder:
>> is a system with 512M of memory and a 2.8gHz supposed to handle a running LS
>> and recording at the same time. When I stress LS alone (no recording started)
>> I can get it up to about 20-28% CPU usage and memory usage of LS was 82%.
>> There's no GUI on my system and not much else which is eating at the CPU and
>> memory. The other CPU costs are minimal, estimate of 4-6%.
>>    If that kind of system is supposed to handel my demands, I should look for
>> troublemakers, because LS gave me glitches while recording.
>>    Kindest regards
>>          Julien
>>
>> --------
>> Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)
>>
>> ======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
>> http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
>> the Linux TextBased Studio guide
>> ======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
>> http://www.juliencoder.de
>
> hi, julien. i use linuxsampler but with the qsampler gui, so i did a
> test using qps to get the stats.
> my box is also 2.8 ghz but i have 1.5G of ram.
> at idle linuxsampler ( not including gui ) uses 1% cpu maximum.
> if i bang up and down on as many keys as i can with both forearms cpu
> use reaches 22%.
> memory use obviously depends on the size of the loaded soundfont.
> if i load the biggest font i have - maestro grand piano v2 - memory use
> is 187M, again not including gui.
> with 512M of ram and no X running this should not stress your system.
> are you using a really big soundfont?
> is ecasound using a lot of ram at idle?
>
> G.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

512 of ram! with a gigasampler file... just buy 4GB of ram for $40 and
don't worry about it again?

Loki


From xbran at web.de  Fri Jul 11 01:35:55 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:35:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807102206.46307.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<3811DCDEAC3A4AF08571B8EBABFE0AA7@Ebsco016>
	<5eb95dc90807101044q63d22908j2c42f0e5b6145902@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807102206.46307.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807102235k1cb1d11ai3580d894adf9b875@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/10 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:

> In the arch subdirectory, there is no i386 folder. This symlink to this would
> be created (I have to do this myself with debian's stuff) when making the
> kernel.
>
> ~$ ls /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23-rt1/arch
> alpha  blackfin  h8300  m32r       mips     ppc   sh64     um      xtensa
> arm    cris      i386   m68k       parisc   s390  sparc    v850
> avr32  frv       ia64   m68knommu  powerpc  sh    sparc64  x86_64
> -$ ls /usr/src/linux-2.6.25.8/arch
> alpha  blackfin  h8300    m32r       mips     powerpc  sh       um    xtensa
> arm    cris      ia64     m68k       mn10300  ppc      sparc    v850
> avr32  frv       Kconfig  m68knommu  parisc   s390     sparc64  x86
>
> I guess the "x86" would be it.

I haven't had to symlink anything there.
In my src-folder, the i386 dir is present (at least after compilation):

$/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.8/arch# ls
alpha  blackfin  h8300  Kconfig  m68knommu  parisc   s390   sparc64  x86
arm    cris      i386   m32r     mips       powerpc  sh     um       xtensa
avr32  frv       ia64   m68k     mn10300    ppc      sparc  v850

Make shure your download is valid (not broken).
hint: The config assumes pentium4 or later. For anything
below/incompatible run "make menuconfig"
and select your architecture (in processor type/features).


From tuukka.j at gmail.com  Fri Jul 11 01:57:00 2008
From: tuukka.j at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tuukka_J=E4=E4skel=E4inen?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:57:00 +0300
Subject: [LAU] Configuring a fresh install - n00b question...
Message-ID: <1f49e1da0807102257h2bba00e0wad433f3818893947@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I just installed a fresh Ubuntu Studio next to my XP and was kinda
hoping to get some music creation going.

I've read a lot from internet that linux needs a lot of configuring and
tweaking to get it running smoothly as a Digital Audio Workstation, so my
question is what to tweak?
I've already configured JACK through qjackctl to be pretty okay and added
the /etc/security/limits.conf @audio things (@audio rtprio 95, @audio
memlock 1024000, @audio nice -19).

Is there still something to get the ball rolling fast and hard?

-- 
- Tuukka J. / 100% of Solarians
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From d_baron at 012.net.il  Fri Jul 11 04:02:26 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:02:26 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807102235k1cb1d11ai3580d894adf9b875@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807102206.46307.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807102235k1cb1d11ai3580d894adf9b875@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807111102.29275.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Friday 11 July 2008 08:35:55 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/10 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> > In the arch subdirectory, there is no i386 folder. This symlink to this
> > would be created (I have to do this myself with debian's stuff) when
> > making the kernel.
> >
> > ~$ ls /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23-rt1/arch
> > alpha  blackfin  h8300  m32r       mips     ppc   sh64     um      xtensa
> > arm    cris      i386   m68k       parisc   s390  sparc    v850
> > avr32  frv       ia64   m68knommu  powerpc  sh    sparc64  x86_64
> > -$ ls /usr/src/linux-2.6.25.8/arch
> > alpha  blackfin  h8300    m32r       mips     powerpc  sh       um   
> > xtensa arm    cris      ia64     m68k       mn10300  ppc      sparc   
> > v850 avr32  frv       Kconfig  m68knommu  parisc   s390     sparc64  x86
> >
> > I guess the "x86" would be it.
>
> I haven't had to symlink anything there.
> In my src-folder, the i386 dir is present (at least after compilation):
>
> $/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.8/arch# ls
> alpha  blackfin  h8300  Kconfig  m68knommu  parisc   s390   sparc64  x86
> arm    cris      i386   m32r     mips       powerpc  sh     um       xtensa
> avr32  frv       ia64   m68k     mn10300    ppc      sparc  v850
>
> Make shure your download is valid (not broken).
> hint: The config assumes pentium4 or later. For anything
> below/incompatible run "make menuconfig"
> and select your architecture (in processor type/features).
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user

Download is OK, patch works OK.
I am set up for 32 bit and PIII=Y
The compilation is running, is using arch/x86


From julien at c-lab.de  Fri Jul 11 04:29:16 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:29:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] General perfrmance question
In-Reply-To: <ec9314860807101916tacaad98ka78fdef724e56e0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807091009320.9177@arima>
	<g55vl0$88c$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ec9314860807101916tacaad98ka78fdef724e56e0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807111026150.15661@arima>

Hi!
   Thanks for the testing and the answer. Loki: I probably will someday, when I 
find the pockets with my money again. :-)
   For the size of my gigasample: It's about 200m, but I load four instruments 
simultaneously.
   Kindest regards
          Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Fri Jul 11 04:57:59 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:57:59 +0300
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qsynth 0.3.3 Knobs Galore!
In-Reply-To: <487690D9.4060206@rncbc.org>
References: <487690D9.4060206@rncbc.org>
Message-ID: <200807111158.01447.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Friday 11 July 2008 01:44:41 Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Thanks to Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas and Guido Scholz, this Qsynth release
> is now a reality. Main new features are a the new rotating knob style
> options, first full translations, German and Spanish and last but not
> least, there's this Windows(TM) all-in-one package available (includes
> FluidSynth port) for your (sick:) pleasure only. Please read below the
> brilliant notes from Pedro about this breakthrouth release. Yes,
> before's too late:
>
>    Qsynth 0.3.3 (unstable-qt4) is out!
>
Looks nice and works quite well in ALSA with surprisingly low latency.
Using jack, however, it is impossible to get any ALSA MIDI input and jackmidi 
is apparently not supported here. Cannot manually connect in the qjackctl pane 
and only the alsa_seq option actually starts up.

Any ideas? Register bug (was also a problem in previous version run with 
current ALSA, in any event)?


From rncbc at rncbc.org  Fri Jul 11 05:40:26 2008
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:40:26 +0100 (WEST)
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qsynth 0.3.3 Knobs Galore!
In-Reply-To: <200807111158.01447.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <487690D9.4060206@rncbc.org>
	<200807111158.01447.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <5482.213.58.131.130.1215769226.squirrel@www.rncbc.org>


On Fri, July 11, 2008 09:57, David Baron wrote:
> On Friday 11 July 2008 01:44:41 Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>
>> Thanks to Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas and Guido Scholz, this Qsynth release
>> is now a reality. Main new features are a the new rotating knob style
>> options, first full translations, German and Spanish and last but not
>> least, there's this Windows(TM) all-in-one package available (includes
>> FluidSynth port) for your (sick:) pleasure only. Please read below the
>> brilliant notes from Pedro about this breakthrouth release. Yes, before's
>> too late:
>>
>> Qsynth 0.3.3 (unstable-qt4) is out!
>>
>>
> Looks nice and works quite well in ALSA with surprisingly low latency.
> Using jack, however, it is impossible to get any ALSA MIDI input and
> jackmidi is apparently not supported here. Cannot manually connect in the
> qjackctl pane and only the alsa_seq option actually starts up.
>

the regular use for qsynth has been alsa_seq for midi input and jack for
audio output. this is indeed the default on linux, and has been like so
ever since qsynth exists.

therefore, you must have jackd started and snd-seq-midi loaded _before_
you run qsynth. once started make sure you setup midi input enabled and
midi driver set to midi_seq, audio driver to jack and please check and
match your sample-rate value, load a soundfont and restart.

in this configuration you must _not_ supply any midi or audio device
names. if those fields aren't blank, make them so.

or is it there must be something either one of us are missing ;)

cheers
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org



From schoappied at gmail.com  Fri Jul 11 06:15:39 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:15:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4875CDED.7050103@gmail.com>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>	<48639853.6020609@web.de>	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>	<48661248.4050507@web.de>	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com>	<48752D02.6020004@gmail.com>	<20080709214100.GC3007@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<4875CDED.7050103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487732CB.9000705@gmail.com>

Does anyone knows if the m-audio oxygen 61 is a good device and if its 
works on linux?
http://www.thomann.de/nl/maudio_oxygen_61.htm

And the m-audio keystation es 61?


Thanks in advance,




From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Fri Jul 11 07:59:07 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:59:07 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Ardour 2.5 released
Message-ID: <1215777547.7559.124.camel@localhost.localdomain>

As happens all too often, its been longer than expected between
releases, but finally Ardour 2.5 is ready to ease the path, soothe the
brow and excite the heart of musicians and audio engineers worldwide.
Tons of bug fixes and several new features will make it worthwhile for
everyone and anyone to try this out.

    http://ardour.org/download

Note that you should probably remove ~/.ardour2/ardour.bindings in order
to ensure that you get the latest key bindings. As noted below, this
file will no longer be created unless you explicitly edit the key
bindings yourself via the GUI.

PACKAGERS and SOURCE BUILDERS please note that this release sees a new
library dependency. Ardour 2.5 requires the aubio library, which is
small and fast to build. Many distributions do not currently package it.
You know what to do ...

OS X users The first native release of 2.5 will not be ready until at
the earliest July 13th, possibly as much as several days after that. We
apologize for the delay, caused by problems with our build system.


New Features
=============

      * plugin selection via menu (per plugin "manufacturer")
      * plugin "favorites"
      * dynamic track resizing with the mouse
      * Rhythm Ferret now has note onset detection as an alternative to
        percussion onsets.
      * make track faders display automation-driven changes
      * add "Consolidate Range" which writes a new audio file and uses
        it to replace whatever was in the playlist within the range
      * add "make range to next marker" and "export range" context menu
        items for range markers
      * all GUI menu items/actions can now be activated using OSC
      * new "name-new-markers-at-creation" option
      * zoom-to-region (on one or both axes)
      * fit-tracks (selected tracks sized to vertically fill editor
        window)
      * insert-time operation to add "silence" to the timeline
      * 12 saved "view states" that save zoom levels and timeline
        positions
      * working latency compensation and I/O configuration for AU
        plugins 
      * goto-wall-clock command
      * 
      * 
Fixes and Improvements
======================

      * at least 20 crashing bugs fixed
      * use latest version of libsigc++ (potential bug fixes)
      * use version 1.2 of RubberBand for speed & quality improvements
        and potential patent avoidance
      * online (and available) manual updated, including correct key
        binding tables
      * editor GUI is now 100% 64-bit for audio timeline values
      * never save keybindings to user's ardour directory unless they
        change them
      * allow keybindings to use arrow keys (GTK doesn't permit this)
      * fix for plugins-do-not-work-on-all-channels bug
      * fix track selection sensitivity botch for Import action, should
        have been toggle-waveform-visible instead 
      * Support FFT for multi channel tracks and fix analysis for tape
        track regions.
      * fix mix group problems caused by recursive loop when modifying
        gain/gui
      * make big clock stay on top even in broken desktop environments
      * fixes to correct the results of running time/pitch shifting
        multiple times on the same region
      * updated swedish translation
      * don't double-call JackStartFreewheeling if we're already
        freewheeling
      * small changes to export code to hopefully fix some bugs with
        range export(s)
      * minor UI fixes for clocks and Locations dialog. Prevent tape
        tracks from skewing the session extents
      * major fix for computing plugin I/O configuration when using
        mono/stereo plugins in stereo/mono tracks/busses
      * fix up scaling problems with cleanup caused by redisplaying all
        regions every time a file is removed
      * fix for illegal audio device selection in audio setup dialog
      * fix for plugins being shown twice in the automation menus
      * make generation of new region names scale properly rather than
        being O(N^2) 
      * reset meter peaks when meter point is reset
      * editor faders now insensitive to unmodified scroll wheel events
        (Alt-scroll does the same thing)
      * change the step size for scroll-driven resizing
      * make region context menu items always operate on well-defined
        and reasonably obvious region selection
      * ctrl-w shortcut ("close dialog") works on plugin editors
      * make bounce range and bounce region work properly (wrong
        boundaries before)
      * prevent periodic auto-save from causing GUI deadlock during
        export-ranges
      * improve horizontal scrolling. When the playhead is moved past
        the end marker, the canvas will alter its boundaries as needed.
        The Zoom to Session button will now reset the canvas size to
        start-2-end plus a little extra after end, so the end marker is
        visible. 
      * Move the Enable Track Meters option to Metering menu section
      * removing sends now cleans up fully, preventing problems when
        adding sends again later
      * check both whole-file and part-file regions when adding to the
        visible region list, and do not show regions that are region
        list equivalent with existing entries
      * Fix up checks for whether the track height is too small for the
        name highlight. Fixes irritating issue with 31 pixel height
        tracks having small waveforms but no name highlight.
      * make "feature lines" always be the right height as tracks resize
      * nudge clock now has a default value of 5 seconds, not zero
      * What used to be the pink recording rectangle is now blended into
        the recording regions so that they appear to be the same thing.
        Then recording specific colors are added so the waveform and
        region base when recording are all various shades of red during
        recording. *** Open Theme Manager and click Restore Defaults for
        these changes to apply ***

Contributors
============

Paul Davis, Ben Loftis, Doug Mclain, Ryan Scott, Colin Fletcher, Sampo
Savolainen, Jesse Chappell, Sakari Bergen, Dominic Sacre







From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Fri Jul 11 14:26:50 2008
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:26:50 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was:  Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <1215777547.7559.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
Message-ID: <20080711182650.DDC35BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 11 July 2008 at 7:59, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
 
> PACKAGERS and SOURCE BUILDERS please note that this release sees a new
> library dependency. Ardour 2.5 requires the aubio library, which is
> small and fast to build. Many distributions do not currently package it.
> You know what to do ...

Yup.  I downloaded, ./configure'd, and ran make.  The end of my 
configure log looks like this:

**************************************************************
Summary:
Fftw3:                   yes (using fftw3f)
Libsndfile:              yes
Libsamplerate:           yes
JACK:                    yes
ALSA midi:               yes
Lash:                    no
PureData:                no
**************************************************************
Configuration completed successfully. Type 'make' to build aubio


After ~220 lines of make log, make errors out like this:

Making all in aubio
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/local/src/INCOMING/BUILD/aubio-0.3.2/python/aubio'
if /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src    -Wall -Wextra -Wno-missing-prototypes -Wno-missing-declarations -Wno-strict-aliasing  -I../../src -I../../src -I../../ext -I/usr/include/python2.4 -I/usr/local/include/python2.4 -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -MT aubio_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo" -c -o aubio_wrap.lo aubio_wrap.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo" ".deps/aubio_wrap.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
mkdir .libs
 gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src -Wall -Wextra -Wno-missing-prototypes -Wno-missing-declarations -Wno-strict-aliasing -I../../src -I../../src -I../../ext -I/usr/include/python2.4 -I/usr/local/include/python2.4 -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -MT aubio_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo -c aubio_wrap.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/aubio_wrap.o
aubio_wrap.c:112:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory
aubio_wrap.c:719: error: expected ??=??, ??,??, ??;??, ??asm?? or ??__attribute__?? before ??*?? token


All the rest of the errors look related to a missing Python.h.
I've looked all through my distribution (Mandriva 2007.0) package
file list and can't find a file of that name.

Where *should* Python.h come from?  Maybe my installation is broken.
At least it seems incomplete somehow.

I've looked through the entire (short) aubio mailing list archives 
for this, and didn't find anything that applies.

I looked through the ./configure --help to see if there was a way to 
avoid depending on Python.h, but I didn't find anything obvious.

Any ideas on how to get aubio to finish compiling?

Thanks....

--
Kevin




From zotz at 100jamz.com  Fri Jul 11 14:51:39 2008
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:51:39 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was:  Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <20080711182650.DDC35BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
References: <20080711182650.DDC35BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
Message-ID: <200807111451.39501.zotz@100jamz.com>

On Friday 11 July 2008 14:26:50 Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> On 11 July 2008 at 7:59, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
> > PACKAGERS and SOURCE BUILDERS please note that this release sees a new
> > library dependency. Ardour 2.5 requires the aubio library, which is
> > small and fast to build. Many distributions do not currently package it.
> > You know what to do ...
>
> Yup.  I downloaded, ./configure'd, and ran make.  The end of my
> configure log looks like this:
>
> **************************************************************
> Summary:
> Fftw3:                   yes (using fftw3f)
> Libsndfile:              yes
> Libsamplerate:           yes
> JACK:                    yes
> ALSA midi:               yes
> Lash:                    no
> PureData:                no
> **************************************************************
> Configuration completed successfully. Type 'make' to build aubio
>
>
> After ~220 lines of make log, make errors out like this:
>
> Making all in aubio
> make[2]: Entering directory
> `/home/local/src/INCOMING/BUILD/aubio-0.3.2/python/aubio' if /bin/sh
> ../../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src   
> -Wall -Wextra -Wno-missing-prototypes -Wno-missing-declarations
> -Wno-strict-aliasing  -I../../src -I../../src -I../../ext
> -I/usr/include/python2.4 -I/usr/local/include/python2.4 -I/usr/include
> -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -MT aubio_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF
> ".deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo" -c -o aubio_wrap.lo aubio_wrap.c; \ then mv -f
> ".deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo" ".deps/aubio_wrap.Plo"; else rm -f
> ".deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo"; exit 1; fi mkdir .libs
>  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../src -Wall -Wextra
> -Wno-missing-prototypes -Wno-missing-declarations -Wno-strict-aliasing
> -I../../src -I../../src -I../../ext -I/usr/include/python2.4
> -I/usr/local/include/python2.4 -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -g -O2
> -MT aubio_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/aubio_wrap.Tpo -c aubio_wrap.c  -fPIC
> -DPIC -o .libs/aubio_wrap.o aubio_wrap.c:112:20: error: Python.h: No such
> file or directory
> aubio_wrap.c:719: error: expected ??=??, ??,??, ??;??, ??asm?? or
> ??__attribute__?? before ??*?? token
>
>
> All the rest of the errors look related to a missing Python.h.
> I've looked all through my distribution (Mandriva 2007.0) package
> file list and can't find a file of that name.
>
> Where *should* Python.h come from?  Maybe my installation is broken.
> At least it seems incomplete somehow.

Hey Kevin,

for me it was in:

python2.5-dev

the python dev package.

also:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B%22Python.h%22&btnG=Google+Search
>
> I've looked through the entire (short) aubio mailing list archives
> for this, and didn't find anything that applies.
>
> I looked through the ./configure --help to see if there was a way to
> avoid depending on Python.h, but I didn't find anything obvious.
>
> Any ideas on how to get aubio to finish compiling?
>
> Thanks....
>
> --
> Kevin

all the best,

drew





From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Fri Jul 11 16:12:23 2008
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:12:23 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was: Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <200807111451.39501.zotz@100jamz.com> 
Message-ID: <20080711201223.D5897BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 11 July 2008 at 14:51, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:

> for me it was in:
> python2.5-dev
> the python dev package.

I found it:  libpython2.4-devel-2.4.3-3mdv2007.0

aubio built.  I haven't tested it.  I'm packaging it now.

Thanks Drew!

 
--
Kevin




From zotz at 100jamz.com  Fri Jul 11 17:31:59 2008
From: zotz at 100jamz.com (drew Roberts)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:31:59 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was: Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <20080711201223.D5897BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
References: <20080711201223.D5897BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
Message-ID: <200807111731.59543.zotz@100jamz.com>

On Friday 11 July 2008 16:12:23 Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
> On 11 July 2008 at 14:51, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:
> > for me it was in:
> > python2.5-dev
> > the python dev package.
>
> I found it:  libpython2.4-devel-2.4.3-3mdv2007.0
>
> aubio built.  I haven't tested it.  I'm packaging it now.
>
> Thanks Drew!

Glad to help out Kevin. I hope to get moving again soon on the band side...
>
>
> --
> Kevin

drew


From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Fri Jul 11 17:50:09 2008
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:50:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack 109 segfaults in ubuntu 7.10
Message-ID: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de>

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Hello,

I recently built ardour 2.5 for witch I needed to build a recent jackd
from source. Everything went fine but starting jackd with -dalsa fails
with segmentation fault:

zettberlin at zettberlin:~$ /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100
- -p512 -n3
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.109.2
[...]
JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
apparent rate = 44100
creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|512|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
control device hw:1
configuring for 44100Hz, period = 512 frames (11.6 ms), buffer = 3 periods
ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 16bit little-endian
ALSA: use 3 periods for capture
ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 16bit little-endian
ALSA: use 3 periods for playback
Segmentation fault

trying to start it with ffado yields this one:

zettberlin at zettberlin:~$ /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -dfirewire -r96000 -p512
no message buffer overruns
jackd 0.109.2
[...]
JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
0669831650: Debug (PosixThread.cpp)[  96] Start: Create RT thread
0x8079ba0 with priority 14
0669885965: Debug (PosixThread.cpp)[  76] ThreadHandler: ThreadHandler:
start 0x8079ba0
0674219575: Debug (bebob_mixer.cpp)[ 170]
addElementForAllFunctionBlocks: Adding elements for functionblocks...
0674219603: Warning (bebob_mixer.cpp)[ 176]
addElementForAllFunctionBlocks: No BeBoB audio subunit found
Segmentation fault


The latter looks like I missed something when building ffado - help on
this would also be appreciated.
Nevertheless the most evil thing is the first one: it wont start with -dalsa


what could be wrong here?

best regards
HZN
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From pieterp at joow.be  Fri Jul 11 18:13:33 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:13:33 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack 109 segfaults in ubuntu 7.10
In-Reply-To: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de>
References: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <4877DB0D.4000501@joow.be>

Hartmut Noack wrote:

> trying to start it with ffado yields this one:
> 
> zettberlin at zettberlin:~$ /usr/local/bin/jackd -R -dfirewire -r96000 -p512
> no message buffer overruns
> jackd 0.109.2
> [...]
> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
> loading driver ..
> 0669831650: Debug (PosixThread.cpp)[  96] Start: Create RT thread
> 0x8079ba0 with priority 14
> 0669885965: Debug (PosixThread.cpp)[  76] ThreadHandler: ThreadHandler:
> start 0x8079ba0
> 0674219575: Debug (bebob_mixer.cpp)[ 170]
> addElementForAllFunctionBlocks: Adding elements for functionblocks...
> 0674219603: Warning (bebob_mixer.cpp)[ 176]
> addElementForAllFunctionBlocks: No BeBoB audio subunit found
> Segmentation fault
> 
> 
> The latter looks like I missed something when building ffado - help on
> this would also be appreciated.

Jack 0.109.2 is seriously ill. You'll find that he's partially recovered 
in latest SVN.

Regarding your FFADO issues: please make sure you run the latest beta 
version and provide debug logs as indicated in the README file.

I'm fairly confident that there are no issues with FFADO. Warnings are 
not always errors.

In any case, we are all ears in ffado-user at lists.sourceforge.net or 
ffado-devel at lists.sourceforge.net

Greets,

Pieter



From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Fri Jul 11 18:56:24 2008
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:56:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack 109 segfaults in ubuntu 7.10
In-Reply-To: <4877DB0D.4000501@joow.be>
References: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de> <4877DB0D.4000501@joow.be>
Message-ID: <4877E518.9080402@linuxuse.de>

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Pieter Palmers schrieb:
> Hartmut Noack wrote:
> 
> 
> Jack 0.109.2 is seriously ill. You'll find that he's partially recovered
> in latest SVN.
> 
> Regarding your FFADO issues: please make sure you run the latest beta
> version and provide debug logs as indicated in the README file.
> 
Hey Pieter - you are No1 :-)

after building jackd and ffado from SVN and manually copying all the
jack-libs from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib (had such issues before thus I
knew this dirty trick already...)

It WORKS!!

Still jackd aborts when running with ffado after a few minutes but this
appeares to be a Ubuntu-related problem. I had 5-6h sessions with the
very same hardware-setup running jackd with freebob under 64Studio 2.0
always closing jackd deliberately...

the recent svn of jackd runs just fine with my alsa-devices, only
qjackctl needs a fresh build also and everything should be back to
normal just better :-)

thanks a lot

HZN
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From frankpirrone at gmail.com  Fri Jul 11 19:28:41 2008
From: frankpirrone at gmail.com (frank pirrone)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:28:41 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was: Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <200807111731.59543.zotz@100jamz.com>
References: <20080711201223.D5897BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<200807111731.59543.zotz@100jamz.com>
Message-ID: <4877ECA9.7060904@gmail.com>

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drew Roberts wrote:
> On Friday 11 July 2008 16:12:23 Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
>> On 11 July 2008 at 14:51, drew Roberts <zotz at 100jamz.com> wrote:
>>> for me it was in:
>>> python2.5-dev
>>> the python dev package.
>> I found it:  libpython2.4-devel-2.4.3-3mdv2007.0
>>
>> aubio built.  I haven't tested it.  I'm packaging it now.
>>
>> Thanks Drew!
>
> Glad to help out Kevin. I hope to get moving again soon on the band side...
>>
>> --
>> Kevin
>
> drew
Hi Drew and Kevin,

Yeah, I'm still lurking out here sidetracked and diverted as usual, but
ready to go, also as usual.

Frank
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From peder at musikhuset.org  Fri Jul 11 21:03:03 2008
From: peder at musikhuset.org (peder at musikhuset.org)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:03:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was:  Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <20080711182650.DDC35BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
References: <20080711182650.DDC35BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
Message-ID: <20080712030303.dxer7anum8ocgscw@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting Kevin Cosgrove <kevinc at cosgroves.us>:
>
> Where *should* Python.h come from?  Maybe my installation is broken.
> At least it seems incomplete somehow.
>

I saw you found Python.h.
A great thing about Mandriva (compared to openSUSE at least) is the  
urpmf command. 'urpmf Python.h' whould have shown you all packages  
(installed or not) that contained a file with that name (if you have  
the repository that has that file in your config  
[/etc/urpmi/urpmi.conf], that is).

To avoid seeing all potential Python.host or Python.help-files you  
could also have made an educated guess and typed 'urpmf  
python2.4/Python.h' to only see Python.h files in the python2.4  
directory.
I always use that when I'm missing a program; 'urpm bin/rezound' shows  
which package the resound binary is in (and obviously that also  
catches it if it's in the sbin directory).


From peder at musikhuset.org  Fri Jul 11 21:10:21 2008
From: peder at musikhuset.org (peder at musikhuset.org)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:10:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was:  Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <20080712030303.dxer7anum8ocgscw@www.musikhuset.org>
References: <20080711182650.DDC35BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
	<20080712030303.dxer7anum8ocgscw@www.musikhuset.org>
Message-ID: <20080712031021.ssgad9lshcs0goos@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting peder at musikhuset.org:

> I always use that when I'm missing a program; 'urpm bin/rezound' shows

So much for proof-reading... Should of course be 'urpmf bin/rezound'


From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Fri Jul 11 22:14:12 2008
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:14:12 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Building aubio [was: Ardour 2.5 released]
In-Reply-To: <20080712030303.dxer7anum8ocgscw@www.musikhuset.org> 
Message-ID: <20080712021412.ADC1CBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 12 July 2008 at 3:03, peder at musikhuset.org wrote:

> Quoting Kevin Cosgrove <kevinc at cosgroves.us>:
> >
> > Where *should* Python.h come from?  Maybe my installation is broken.
> > At least it seems incomplete somehow.
> >
> 
> I saw you found Python.h.
> A great thing about Mandriva (compared to openSUSE at least) is the  
> urpmf command. 'urpmf Python.h' whould have shown you all packages  
> (installed or not) that contained a file with that name (if you have  
> the repository that has that file in your config  
> [/etc/urpmi/urpmi.conf], that is).
> 
> To avoid seeing all potential Python.host or Python.help-files you  
> could also have made an educated guess and typed 'urpmf  
> python2.4/Python.h' to only see Python.h files in the python2.4  
> directory.
> I always use that when I'm missing a program; 'urpm bin/rezound' shows  
> which package the resound binary is in (and obviously that also  
> catches it if it's in the sbin directory).

I'd forgotten about urpmf.  Thanks!

 
--
Kevin




From tito at rumford.de  Sat Jul 12 04:13:49 2008
From: tito at rumford.de (Wolfgang Woehl)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:13:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Moltar! Grab my ankles and pull!
In-Reply-To: <20080710085335.GA972@restivo.org>
References: <20080710085335.GA972@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <200807121013.49160.tito@rumford.de>

Ken Restivo:
> I was digging through my disk, and discovered this atrocity made
> almost a year ago, with Linux and PureData and a sample from Space
> Ghost:
>
> http://www.restivo.org/music/krmusic/roughideas/21stCentury/moltar-
>atrocity-0.1.ogg

So auto-connect _is_ evil after all :)

Wolfgang


From pieterp at joow.be  Sat Jul 12 05:21:05 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:21:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack 109 segfaults in ubuntu 7.10
In-Reply-To: <4877E518.9080402@linuxuse.de>
References: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de> <4877DB0D.4000501@joow.be>
	<4877E518.9080402@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <48787781.3050306@joow.be>

Hartmut Noack wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Pieter Palmers schrieb:
>> Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jack 0.109.2 is seriously ill. You'll find that he's partially recovered
>> in latest SVN.
>>
>> Regarding your FFADO issues: please make sure you run the latest beta
>> version and provide debug logs as indicated in the README file.
>>
> Hey Pieter - you are No1 :-)
That's a nice thing to hear on a saturday morning...

> 
> after building jackd and ffado from SVN and manually copying all the
> jack-libs from /usr/local/lib to /usr/lib (had such issues before thus I
> knew this dirty trick already...)
I personally think you better use a /usr prefix when compiling. These 
dirty tricks can cause all sorts of nasty side-effects.

> 
> It WORKS!!
> 
> Still jackd aborts when running with ffado after a few minutes but this
> appeares to be a Ubuntu-related problem. I had 5-6h sessions with the
> very same hardware-setup running jackd with freebob under 64Studio 2.0
> always closing jackd deliberately...
mmm, FFADO is not freebob. I would like to have it working flawlessly on 
ubuntu, so it would be nice if you could provide some error logs.

> 
> the recent svn of jackd runs just fine with my alsa-devices, only
> qjackctl needs a fresh build also and everything should be back to
> normal just better :-)
I'm pretty confident that at one point you will have issues with jackd 
SVN, since I have them and they are pretty easy to reproduce.

> 
> thanks a lot
You're welcome.

Greets,

Pieter


From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sat Jul 12 08:13:33 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:13:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807121410580.5348@ttleush>


Arnold Krille:
>
> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
>>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
>>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
>>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
>>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
>>> recording.
>> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
>> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
>> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
>> that cron job.
>
> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
> jackd is running, they don't start...
>

That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
if doing a recording of many channels.



From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Sat Jul 12 08:19:42 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:19:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807121410580.5348@ttleush>
References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807121410580.5348@ttleush>
Message-ID: <1215865182.4002.4.camel@linux>

Dear friends as I said before I'm no techie but I run all my music
applications through PAM and as they all are given nice -19 and rt
permissions I see no problem at all. I only discover problems if I mix
down and have a lot of FX effects in use, let's say over 20.


/Sv-e
l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> Arnold Krille:
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> >> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> >>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
> >>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
> >>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
> >>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
> >>> recording.
> >> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
> >> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
> >> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
> >> that cron job.
> >
> > My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
> > jackd is running, they don't start...
> >
> 
> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
> if doing a recording of many channels.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sat Jul 12 08:25:57 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:25:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <1215865182.4002.4.camel@linux>
References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
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There is a horrible, at least it was horrible, cron job
called "slocate". If you have that cron-job, you should
probably turn it off, since it scans the whole HD
usually once a day. You can try to run it manually
to see what happens: "slocate -u" (as root)


On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> Dear friends as I said before I'm no techie but I run all my music
> applications through PAM and as they all are given nice -19 and rt
> permissions I see no problem at all. I only discover problems if I mix
> down and have a lot of FX effects in use, let's say over 20.
>
>
> /Sv-e
> l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>> Arnold Krille:
>>>
>>> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>>>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
>>>>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
>>>>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
>>>>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
>>>>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
>>>>> recording.
>>>> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
>>>> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
>>>> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
>>>> that cron job.
>>>
>>> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
>>> jackd is running, they don't start...
>>>
>>
>> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
>> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
>> if doing a recording of many channels.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>

From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Sat Jul 12 08:31:08 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:31:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807121422560.5348@ttleush>
References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0807121410580.5348@ttleush>
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In fact I run no cronjobs at all, but if things are given the right
permission and set propper through PAM there should be no problem
running a script as long as it has lower priority as your music
application as I see it. But thanks for the advise anyway.

/Sv-e
l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:25 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> 
> There is a horrible, at least it was horrible, cron job
> called "slocate". If you have that cron-job, you should
> probably turn it off, since it scans the whole HD
> usually once a day. You can try to run it manually
> to see what happens: "slocate -u" (as root)
> 
> 
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> 
> > Dear friends as I said before I'm no techie but I run all my music
> > applications through PAM and as they all are given nice -19 and rt
> > permissions I see no problem at all. I only discover problems if I mix
> > down and have a lot of FX effects in use, let's say over 20.
> >
> >
> > /Sv-e
> > l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> >> Arnold Krille:
> >>>
> >>> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> >>>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> >>>>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
> >>>>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
> >>>>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
> >>>>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
> >>>>> recording.
> >>>> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
> >>>> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
> >>>> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
> >>>> that cron job.
> >>>
> >>> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
> >>> jackd is running, they don't start...
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
> >> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
> >> if doing a recording of many channels.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> >> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> >> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >
> >



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sat Jul 12 08:34:49 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:34:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <1215865868.4002.9.camel@linux>
References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
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If the program access the HD, then it makes a difference.
PAM can't do anything about that.


On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> In fact I run no cronjobs at all, but if things are given the right
> permission and set propper through PAM there should be no problem
> running a script as long as it has lower priority as your music
> application as I see it. But thanks for the advise anyway.
>
> /Sv-e
> l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:25 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>>
>> There is a horrible, at least it was horrible, cron job
>> called "slocate". If you have that cron-job, you should
>> probably turn it off, since it scans the whole HD
>> usually once a day. You can try to run it manually
>> to see what happens: "slocate -u" (as root)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
>>
>>> Dear friends as I said before I'm no techie but I run all my music
>>> applications through PAM and as they all are given nice -19 and rt
>>> permissions I see no problem at all. I only discover problems if I mix
>>> down and have a lot of FX effects in use, let's say over 20.
>>>
>>>
>>> /Sv-e
>>> l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>>>> Arnold Krille:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>>>>>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
>>>>>>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
>>>>>>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
>>>>>>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
>>>>>>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
>>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
>>>>>> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
>>>>>> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
>>>>>> that cron job.
>>>>>
>>>>> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
>>>>> jackd is running, they don't start...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
>>>> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
>>>> if doing a recording of many channels.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>>
>>>
>
>

From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Sat Jul 12 08:37:44 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:37:44 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807121432440.5348@ttleush>
References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
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If it's set up propper I assume it must wait until it's allowed, if not
please explain how nice are working then ....


/Sv-e
l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:34 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> If the program access the HD, then it makes a difference.
> PAM can't do anything about that.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> 
> > In fact I run no cronjobs at all, but if things are given the right
> > permission and set propper through PAM there should be no problem
> > running a script as long as it has lower priority as your music
> > application as I see it. But thanks for the advise anyway.
> >
> > /Sv-e
> > l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:25 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> >>
> >> There is a horrible, at least it was horrible, cron job
> >> called "slocate". If you have that cron-job, you should
> >> probably turn it off, since it scans the whole HD
> >> usually once a day. You can try to run it manually
> >> to see what happens: "slocate -u" (as root)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear friends as I said before I'm no techie but I run all my music
> >>> applications through PAM and as they all are given nice -19 and rt
> >>> permissions I see no problem at all. I only discover problems if I mix
> >>> down and have a lot of FX effects in use, let's say over 20.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> /Sv-e
> >>> l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> >>>> Arnold Krille:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> >>>>>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> >>>>>>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
> >>>>>>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
> >>>>>>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
> >>>>>>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
> >>>>>>> recording.
> >>>>>> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
> >>>>>> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
> >>>>>> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
> >>>>>> that cron job.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
> >>>>> jackd is running, they don't start...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
> >>>> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
> >>>> if doing a recording of many channels.
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> >>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> >>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sat Jul 12 08:41:37 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:41:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
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References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
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nice only controls CPU usage, not HD usage. nice can
however make programs that access the HD access the HD
a little bit less often, but it will not prevent it from
using the HD.

For example, try running "slocate -u" with nice 19
and "jack_capture -c 64" with nice -20. You'll see
that jack_capture will struggle a lot more using
this setup than if you had been running
"jack_capture -c 64" with nice 19, and not running
"slocate -u" at all.


On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> If it's set up propper I assume it must wait until it's allowed, if not
> please explain how nice are working then ....
> 
> 
> /Sv-e
> l??r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:34 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > If the program access the HD, then it makes a difference.
> > PAM can't do anything about that.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj??r Madsen wrote:
> > 
> > > In fact I run no cronjobs at all, but if things are given the right
> > > permission and set propper through PAM there should be no problem
> > > running a script as long as it has lower priority as your music
> > > application as I see it. But thanks for the advise anyway.
> > >
> > > /Sv-e
> > > l??r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:25 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > >>
> > >> There is a horrible, at least it was horrible, cron job
> > >> called "slocate". If you have that cron-job, you should
> > >> probably turn it off, since it scans the whole HD
> > >> usually once a day. You can try to run it manually
> > >> to see what happens: "slocate -u" (as root)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj??r Madsen wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Dear friends as I said before I'm no techie but I run all my music
> > >>> applications through PAM and as they all are given nice -19 and rt
> > >>> permissions I see no problem at all. I only discover problems if I mix
> > >>> down and have a lot of FX effects in use, let's say over 20.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> /Sv-e
> > >>> l??r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > >>>> Arnold Krille:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > >>>>>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> > >>>>>>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
> > >>>>>>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
> > >>>>>>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
> > >>>>>>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
> > >>>>>>> recording.
> > >>>>>> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
> > >>>>>> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
> > >>>>>> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
> > >>>>>> that cron job.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
> > >>>>> jackd is running, they don't start...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
> > >>>> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
> > >>>> if doing a recording of many channels.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > >>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > >>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> 
> 


From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Sat Jul 12 09:08:41 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:08:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
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I know but I said "propper set up" your example isn't propper setup in
my eyes. If I wanted to allow another app to be able to run once in a
while I wouldn't give it a nice parameter at all, but let it fit in when
the system allow it to. 

I agree that its a horrible idea to run a script like the one you refer
to or something like find. 

It is also a matter of your disks interface's speed I would say, and as
far as I can calculate, a single mono track needs 75 Kbs space on the
interface at 44100, so running let's say 10 tracks simultaneous hardly
loads the interface at all if its a SATA, but I admit that interference
newer do you any good, just like no one benefit from this discussion ;)

Have a nice day

/Sv-e


/Sv-e
l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:41 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> 
> 
> nice only controls CPU usage, not HD usage. nice can
> however make programs that access the HD access the HD
> a little bit less often, but it will not prevent it from
> using the HD.
> 
> For example, try running "slocate -u" with nice 19
> and "jack_capture -c 64" with nice -20. You'll see
> that jack_capture will struggle a lot more using
> this setup than if you had been running
> "jack_capture -c 64" with nice 19, and not running
> "slocate -u" at all.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kjr Madsen wrote:
> 
> > If it's set up propper I assume it must wait until it's allowed, if not
> > please explain how nice are working then ....
> > 
> > 
> > /Sv-e
> > l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:34 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > > If the program access the HD, then it makes a difference.
> > > PAM can't do anything about that.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In fact I run no cronjobs at all, but if things are given the right
> > > > permission and set propper through PAM there should be no problem
> > > > running a script as long as it has lower priority as your music
> > > > application as I see it. But thanks for the advise anyway.
> > > >
> > > > /Sv-e
> > > > l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:25 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > > >>
> > > >> There is a horrible, at least it was horrible, cron job
> > > >> called "slocate". If you have that cron-job, you should
> > > >> probably turn it off, since it scans the whole HD
> > > >> usually once a day. You can try to run it manually
> > > >> to see what happens: "slocate -u" (as root)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Dear friends as I said before I'm no techie but I run all my music
> > > >>> applications through PAM and as they all are given nice -19 and rt
> > > >>> permissions I see no problem at all. I only discover problems if I mix
> > > >>> down and have a lot of FX effects in use, let's say over 20.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> /Sv-e
> > > >>> l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > > >>>> Arnold Krille:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> > > >>>>>> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen:
> > > >>>>>>> Now I'm so pleased with my Multiface though it's just a Steinberg
> > > >>>>>>> AudioLink 96 Multiset, I don't regret the money I spend on it, that's
> > > >>>>>>> foe sure. And now I'm pretty confident with the thought of selling out
> > > >>>>>>> my ADAT's and only use my notebook or my stationary computer for music
> > > >>>>>>> recording.
> > > >>>>>> Make sure you turn off cron-jobs, or at least the hardisk
> > > >>>>>> file find updater [1], before doing any important recordings. :-)
> > > >>>>>> [1] Everyone working with audio should probably turn off
> > > >>>>>> that cron job.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And if a
> > > >>>>> jackd is running, they don't start...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
> > > >>>> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
> > > >>>> if doing a recording of many channels.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > > >>>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> > > >>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > 



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sat Jul 12 09:26:18 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:26:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> I know but I said "propper set up" your example isn't propper setup in
> my eyes. If I wanted to allow another app to be able to run once in a
> while I wouldn't give it a nice parameter at all, but let it fit in when
> the system allow it to.
>

I wonder if you may be confusing realtime priority with normal priority?
"nice" (which controls normal priority programs) doesn't prevent other 
apps from running once in a while. I also doubt if setting
audio apps to run -10 makes any difference... Ideally, it should not.
In fact, programs should probably set their priority themselves.
When the user overrides priority settings it could cause less ideal
scheduling.

From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Sat Jul 12 09:34:54 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:34:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
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l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 15:26 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:

> I wonder if you may be confusing realtime priority with normal priority?
> "nice" (which controls normal priority programs) doesn't prevent other 
> apps from running once in a while.

I know that nice is used to control processor time, my complain about
your example was that you got one process set up at nice -19 and another
at nice -20, how realistic is that in the discuss ?. But if we could
agree that more processortime means more flow in execution I don't think
we are that dissident at all !

/Sv-e



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sat Jul 12 09:42:41 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:42:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> l?r, 12 07 2008 kl. 15:26 +0200, skrev Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>
>> I wonder if you may be confusing realtime priority with normal priority?
>> "nice" (which controls normal priority programs) doesn't prevent other
>> apps from running once in a while.
>
> I know that nice is used to control processor time, my complain about
> your example was that you got one process set up at nice -19 and another
> at nice -20, how realistic is that in the discuss ?.

(I wrote 19, not -19)

The point of the example was not to show a realistic setup.

The point of the example was to show that nice values doesn't
matter very much for programs who are limited by HD performacne.

If the nice values had mattered, jack_capture wouldn't have
struggled at all since jack_capture had maximum priority and
slocate minimum priority.

However, as my example shows, jack_capture does struggle, no matter
what priorities are set, as long as slocate is running.

From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sat Jul 12 09:54:37 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:54:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
>
> If the nice values had mattered, jack_capture wouldn't have
> struggled at all since jack_capture had maximum priority and
> slocate minimum priority.
>
>

I should rephrase that to:

If there would be "no problem running a script as long as it has lower 
priority as your music application", jack_capture wouldn't have
struggled at all since jack_capture had maximum priority and
slocate minimum priority.



From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Sat Jul 12 10:25:01 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:25:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807121410580.5348@ttleush>
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Message-ID: <200807121625.10069.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Samstag, 12. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> Arnold Krille:
> > My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And
> > if a jackd is running, they don't start...
> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
> if doing a recording of many channels.

I either start my computer well ahead of the real recording session (usually I 
check mails and blogs before), or I start jack before the cron jobs try to 
run the first time.
Or I simply wait till my backup is finished. Its worth the wait...
And when its really necessary I login/su to root and stop crond (and with it 
all its childs).

Have fun,

Arnold
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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sat Jul 12 10:43:13 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:43:13 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
Message-ID: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

My old trusty Envision 19-inch monitor finally gave up the ghost this 
morning. It keeps clicking into power-down mode, and at times I have to 
turn it off and back on to get the display again.

Unless anyone advises differently I'll be headed out to Wal-Mart and 
Stapes this afternoon to get a new flat-screen display. I can afford up 
to $350, are there any particular brands/models in that range that I 
should consider or avoid ?

All input welcome, thanks in advance. :)

Best,

dp



From markknecht at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 10:59:15 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807120759y2a6fe42ev46408fe60a08ab2d@mail.gmail.com>

Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
We have a couple and they are really nice. Wide screen is great for
Ardour and it will double as a TV set for watching movies, etc.

Samsung 2253BW 22" LCD Monitor (1680 x 1050, 3000:1, 2ms)

http://shop2.frys.com/%7BtBvZIMNAwz6ve2Jej0TCDA**.node3%7D/product/5525630;jsessionid=tBvZIMNAwz6ve2Jej0TCDA**.node3?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Cheers,
Mark

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> My old trusty Envision 19-inch monitor finally gave up the ghost this
> morning. It keeps clicking into power-down mode, and at times I have to
> turn it off and back on to get the display again.
>
> Unless anyone advises differently I'll be headed out to Wal-Mart and
> Stapes this afternoon to get a new flat-screen display. I can afford up
> to $350, are there any particular brands/models in that range that I
> should consider or avoid ?
>
> All input welcome, thanks in advance. :)
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From jh at brainiac.com  Sat Jul 12 11:12:47 2008
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:12:47 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807120759y2a6fe42ev46408fe60a08ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
"Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.

I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sat Jul 12 11:14:04 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:14:04 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807120759y2a6fe42ev46408fe60a08ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
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Mark Knecht wrote:
> Samsung 2253BW 22" LCD Monitor (1680 x 1050, 3000:1, 2ms)
>   
Hey Mark,

That's perfect ! I'll look for one in town, but if I can't find it here 
I'll order it. It looks to be exactly what I want, at just the right 
price, definitely worth waiting a few days for. Many thanks for the 
recommendation.

Best,

dp



From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sat Jul 12 11:26:54 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:26:54 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <20080712111247.c76168a1.jh@brainiac.com>
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Joe Hartley wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
>>     
>
> I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
> was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
> really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!
>   
Thanks, Joe. I'm going to look at some displays this afternoon, a few 
places in town carry Samsung.

Is there a significant difference between the BW and LW models ?

Best,

dp




From markknecht at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 11:30:12 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:30:12 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
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On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Joe Hartley wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
>> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
>>>
>>
>> I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
>> was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
>> really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!
>>
> Thanks, Joe. I'm going to look at some displays this afternoon, a few
> places in town carry Samsung.
>
> Is there a significant difference between the BW and LW models ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>

You'll have to research that but look for the ones with 3000:1
contrast and 2mS response time. My son has one and it's fantastic.
Cost us about $325 last Christmas so I'm sure you can get it for the
$250-$285 price by now. Watch for the cables that come with your new
monitor. A few of the newest models are only coming with DVI/HDMI type
interfaces and one required that you spend more money for a VGA
interface cable.

Good luck,
Mark


From siliconjoe at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 12:12:12 2008
From: siliconjoe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Zompatori)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:12:12 +0200
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3a5df3c20807120912h2d53186cm6fe40d20fab7f310@mail.gmail.com>

Mine died a week ago, got myself an Acer v190w (1440x900 75Hz nateive
res) for ~150 euros
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009139.
It's a pretty good monitor for the money.

Cheers


From noisesmith at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 13:04:08 2008
From: noisesmith at gmail.com (Justin Smith)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:04:08 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
In-Reply-To: <200807121625.10069.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
References: <mailman.3.1215792002.17570.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
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On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:
> Am Samstag, 12. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>> Arnold Krille:
>> > My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And
>> > if a jackd is running, they don't start...
>> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
>> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
>> if doing a recording of many channels.
>
> I either start my computer well ahead of the real recording session (usually I
> check mails and blogs before), or I start jack before the cron jobs try to
> run the first time.
> Or I simply wait till my backup is finished. Its worth the wait...
> And when its really necessary I login/su to root and stop crond (and with it
> all its childs).
>
> Have fun,
>
> Arnold
> --

I have had my best results with defining a custom runlevel. ksysv
helps with this if you run a system that uses SysV style init (this
would include Debian and Ubuntu). Then you can do a simple "sudo
telinit 3" to turn off all daemons that may interfere with audio
performance (usually, on Debian at least, 2 is the default run level,
and 3-5 are available for custom usage, 0 is halt, 1 is single user,
and 6 is reboot). One approach is to copy the /etc/rc.1/ directory to
/etc/rc.3/ and turn things on selectively until it makes a usable
system. This is also a great way to learn about all those little tasks
that are idling in your htop display, and what they are doing. This is
a bit of work, but is worth it.


From christopherstamper at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 18:20:50 2008
From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:20:50 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <3a5df3c20807120912h2d53186cm6fe40d20fab7f310@mail.gmail.com>
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I just got a pretty nice Acer 22in wide for like $200. Cant remember the
name though, I'm not at home...

At TigerDirect btw.
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From seablaede at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 19:30:58 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:30:58 -0600
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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Throw in another vote for the Samsung panels.  I can't remember model
numbers off hand, but the ones I have are 19" Widescreen and I love em.
Great performance for the price.

     Seablade
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From loki.davison at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 20:39:03 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:39:03 +1000
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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On 7/13/08, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
> wrote:
>> Joe Hartley wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
>>> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
>>> was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
>>> really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!
>>>
>> Thanks, Joe. I'm going to look at some displays this afternoon, a few
>> places in town carry Samsung.
>>
>> Is there a significant difference between the BW and LW models ?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>
> You'll have to research that but look for the ones with 3000:1
> contrast and 2mS response time. My son has one and it's fantastic.
> Cost us about $325 last Christmas so I'm sure you can get it for the
> $250-$285 price by now. Watch for the cables that come with your new
> monitor. A few of the newest models are only coming with DVI/HDMI type
> interfaces and one required that you spend more money for a VGA
> interface cable.
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
>


ARRG!!! BADNESS WARNING!

users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot. No grey area here.
Take your vga cable and burn it. Fun analog to digital conversion for
no reason so good bye nice, clear, crisp viewing. But if you are used
to a CRT maybe you don't like to be able to see stuff well... and a
nice, decent gaming vga card costs about $20, so um.... enjoy that
total misuse of the nice screen you have bought.

There is a reason new monitors come with the RIGHT cables. To stop
idiots using the wrong cables. Sorry if this is little over the top...
gf left me and still venting a little...

back to listening to leonard cohen  with me...

Loki


From ats at offog.org  Sun Jul 13 04:39:07 2008
From: ats at offog.org (Adam Sampson)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:39:07 +0100
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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"Loki Davison" <loki.davison at gmail.com> writes:

> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.

Only if your video card has poor-quality analogue output (which is the
case for a lot of modern cards -- I've never seen an NVidia card that
produces acceptable analogue output, for example). With my cheapie
Radeon 9200, the analogue and digital outputs are indistinguishable
when displayed on a 1600x1200 LCD, which is extremely handy for
multihead.

-- 
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org>                         <http://offog.org/>


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 08:48:54 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:48:54 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> wrote:
> "Loki Davison" <loki.davison at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.
>
> Only if your video card has poor-quality analogue output (which is the
> case for a lot of modern cards -- I've never seen an NVidia card that
> produces acceptable analogue output, for example). With my cheapie
> Radeon 9200, the analogue and digital outputs are indistinguishable
> when displayed on a 1600x1200 LCD, which is extremely handy for
> multihead.
>
> --
> Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org>                         <http://offog.org/>

Dave,
   This seems like overreaction on Loki's part to me. My son uses an
nice ($250) nvidia graphics agapter, VGA output, to drive him Samsung
flatscreen monitor. the picture is great.

   I'n sure staying digital is a better way to go, but it's by no
means required.

Cheers,
Mark


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sun Jul 13 11:14:28 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:14:28 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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Mark Knecht wrote:
>> "Loki Davison" <loki.davison at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>     
>>> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.
>>>       
> Dave,
>    This seems like overreaction on Loki's part to me. My son uses an
> nice ($250) nvidia graphics agapter, VGA output, to drive him Samsung
> flatscreen monitor. the picture is great.
>
>    I'n sure staying digital is a better way to go, but it's by no
> means required.
>   
Hi Mark,

Well, I purchased a Westinghouse L2210NW at Best Buy for ~$270, about as 
good a price as I could get on the Samsung you recommended. I've yet to 
configure it, but it meets the exact same specs you advised for the 
Samsung, so I decided to buy it. So far, so good. The display is *huge*, 
and I'm hoping that a few annoyances wil be cleared up after I fully 
configure it for my nVidia 7600GS.

I plan to purchase one of those Samsungs for the main room, as soon as 
the cash reserves are up again.

Any suggestions for xorg.conf ? I figure to just let the nVidia 
configurator do its stuff, then I'll tweak as needed.

I also bought a 4-slice toaster, but it doesn't run Linux. :(

As always, thanks for the help, it is most appreciated here in the 
hinterlands.

Btw, did anyone else happen to read about the Wall Street Journal's 
"interviews" with residents of Findlay OH ? Yep, that's my hometown, and 
yep, this place is filled with knee-jerk reactionaries.

Best,

dp



From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sun Jul 13 11:22:31 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:22:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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Hey Mark,

I forgot to mention that I'm running it with the VGA connection. Should 
I line myself up against the wall now ? ;)

Actually, thanks to Loki's remarks I'm kind of interested in the DVI 
now. My video card has the output, but I need a cable. Is there any 
other special consideration to make when going DVI ?

Best,

dp



From jh at brainiac.com  Sun Jul 13 11:27:49 2008
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:27:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:14:28 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Any suggestions for xorg.conf ? I figure to just let the nVidia 
> configurator do its stuff, then I'll tweak as needed.

Y'know, I have an nvidia card, and I haven't bothered with the special
nVidia drivers in a long time.  I guess I lose 3D, but it doesn't seem
important to me in the studio - I use the nv driver that comes with 
Xorg.

I think if you want the official driver, your approach seems fine.

-- 
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From d_baron at 012.net.il  Sun Jul 13 11:51:26 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:51:26 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
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On Monday 07 July 2008 23:31:30 Giuseppe Zompatori wrote:
> 2008/7/7 Emanuel Rumpf <xbran at web.de>:
> > I thought, it would probably help some of you, if I uploaded
> > my rt-config for a 2.6.25.8 realtime kernel (debian system).
>
> <snip>
>
> > tar xfj patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
> > zcat ../config.gz > ./.config
>
> </snip>
>
> You can use those compressed files directly/in-line by using the z/bz
> prefixed version of cat, i.e.:
>
> bzcat ../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2 | patch -p1
>
Did all that, worked like a charm:

1. realtime apparently cannot be set to be modularized as in previous 
versions. WIll NOT accept:
CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m
CONFIG_REALTIME_CAPABILITIES=m

but insists on CONG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y

I have not objection to rlimits but cannot find this.

2. My old nvidia driver will not compile. I can check back on their site for 
an upgrade but this is for an older mx400 card!


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sun Jul 13 11:52:50 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:52:50 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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Joe Hartley wrote:
> ... I have an nvidia card, and I haven't bothered with the special
> nVidia drivers in a long time.  I guess I lose 3D, but it doesn't seem
> important to me in the studio - I use the nv driver that comes with 
> Xorg.
>
> I think if you want the official driver, your approach seems fine.
I need 3D with Pd/GEM, AVSynthesis, and some other OpenGL-based stuff.

Trust me, folks, as soon as the ATI stuff is fully supported by 
open-source drivers capable of accelerated 3D then I'll get one of their 
cards. Until then, I need to stick with the nVidia drivers.

Best,

dp



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Jul 13 12:06:36 2008
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:06:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Large live recrodings ?
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"Justin Smith":
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:
>> Am Samstag, 12. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
>>> Arnold Krille:
>>>> My big cron jobs check wether "pidof jackd" returns something or not. And
>>>> if a jackd is running, they don't start...
>>> That's a good idea. But what if the file locate updater cron job
>>> has started before you start jack? That could be devastating
>>> if doing a recording of many channels.
>>
>> I either start my computer well ahead of the real recording session (usually I
>> check mails and blogs before), or I start jack before the cron jobs try to
>> run the first time.
>> Or I simply wait till my backup is finished. Its worth the wait...
>> And when its really necessary I login/su to root and stop crond (and with it
>> all its childs).
>>
>> Have fun,
>>
>> Arnold
>> --
>
> I have had my best results with defining a custom runlevel. ksysv
> helps with this if you run a system that uses SysV style init (this
> would include Debian and Ubuntu). Then you can do a simple "sudo
> telinit 3" to turn off all daemons that may interfere with audio
> performance (usually, on Debian at least, 2 is the default run level,
> and 3-5 are available for custom usage, 0 is halt, 1 is single user,
> and 6 is reboot). One approach is to copy the /etc/rc.1/ directory to
> /etc/rc.3/ and turn things on selectively until it makes a usable
> system. This is also a great way to learn about all those little tasks
> that are idling in your htop display, and what they are doing. This is
> a bit of work, but is worth it.
>

Are you sure there's any point in all this? Which
cron jobs other than slocate does any harm to programs running
realtime?



From gsking1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 13:26:21 2008
From: gsking1 at gmail.com (Geoff King)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:26:21 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
Message-ID: <c94f527f0807131026se59de92rc0ae1d20d984fb9d@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Samsung SyncMaster 245BW which has a great picture, but was
pretty expensive.  It doesn't work with my DVI on my older nvidia
card, but analog looks really nice so no worries.  Also had to make
some manual edits to my xorg.conf file since the highest resolution
was not detected automatically.  I'm very happy with it, after a few
hours figuring out how to get the highest resolution.  I left some
detailed notes in the ubuntuforums about this.  Geoff


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Sun Jul 13 13:32:35 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:32:35 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Large live recordings ?
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Am Sonntag, 13. Juli 2008 schrieb Kjetil S. Matheussen:
> Which
> cron jobs other than slocate does any harm to programs running
> realtime?

Here cron runs prelink, rsnapshot and tar (once a week the current snapshot is 
tar'ed). On the other hand I don't have *locate installed...

Arnold
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From jaboit at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 13:53:08 2008
From: jaboit at gmail.com (Juan Aboites)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:53:08 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Delta 44 slow playback
Message-ID: <487A4104.4050003@gmail.com>

Hello List,

I'm on 64studio 2.1 using a Delta 44 and not getting playback at the 
proper speed using ALSA. Setting different sample rates in the ENVY24 
control increases or decreases playback speed when playing files via 
Amarok or Audacity. 48000 is close to where it should be, but still too 
slow; 44100 is extremely slow; 88200 is extremely fast and choppy, etc. 
Recording and playback is perfect though when I'm using the card with 
Ardour/Jack. I've disabled my mb's onboard sound device and even 
increased the PCI latency setting in my BIOS.

I'm not sure what else to do. Anyone have any ideas?
  Many thanks in advance

Juan


From shulmang at Colorado.EDU  Sun Jul 13 08:37:12 2008
From: shulmang at Colorado.EDU (Garett Michael Shulman)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:37:12 +0000
Subject: [LAU] Machina SVN trouble compiling
Message-ID: <4879F6F8.1040703@colorado.edu>

Hello Dave, I've got most of the drobilla svn repository R 1291 (HEAD as 
of 07/13) compiling and running. However I'm very interested in checking 
out Machina but am seeing some compilation problems. I'm using g++-4.3 . 
Any thoughts? Thanks! -Garett

Engine.cpp: In member function 'void 
Machina::Engine::set_quantization(double)':
Engine.cpp:93: error: no matching function for call to 
'Machina::Driver::set_quantization(double&)'
./machina/Driver.hpp:37: note: candidates are: virtual void 
Machina:Driver::set_quantization(Raul::TimeStamp)


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 15:24:05 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:24:05 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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Hi Dave,
   Congrats on the new purchase.

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
>>> "Loki Davison" <loki.davison at gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.
>>>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>   This seems like overreaction on Loki's part to me. My son uses an
>> nice ($250) nvidia graphics agapter, VGA output, to drive him Samsung
>> flatscreen monitor. the picture is great.
>>
>>   I'n sure staying digital is a better way to go, but it's by no
>> means required.
>>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Well, I purchased a Westinghouse L2210NW at Best Buy for ~$270, about as
> good a price as I could get on the Samsung you recommended. I've yet to
> configure it, but it meets the exact same specs you advised for the Samsung,
> so I decided to buy it. So far, so good. The display is *huge*, and I'm
> hoping that a few annoyances wil be cleared up after I fully configure it
> for my nVidia 7600GS.

There are only something like 3 flat panel display manufacturers in
the world so most likely you bought the same screen as what's in the
Samsung.

>
> I plan to purchase one of those Samsungs for the main room, as soon as the
> cash reserves are up again.
>
> Any suggestions for xorg.conf ? I figure to just let the nVidia configurator
> do its stuff, then I'll tweak as needed.

Not too many. I used xorg.conf for our Samsung 17" and 19" monitors.
My son's 22" is on a Windows only machine so no direct experience with
setting up X on that monitor but I suspect it's probably very straight
forward.

I would suggest that you get out the manual for your new monitor and
find the exact specs - vertical and horizontal sync rates, horizontal
and vertical pixel count, etc., and then approach the X config as a
custom monitor. I've had better luck setting them up that way.

Keep in mind that with flat panel displays there is only one *real*
pixel count. There is no way to change how many pixels are on the
screen. If your monitor is 1620x1280 native then that's all it runs.
When you set a different resolution in xorg.config then software or
hardware has to make a conversion to the native resolution of the
display. This is different than an old style analog monitor that just
changed how fast it painted pixels and could change the real
resolution. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I find it best to
first set the monitor up using whatever the actual resolution of the
monitor is and try running that resolution for a few days. If you're
happy with it then stick with it as it's the best picture quality and
the lower system overhead.

Whatever you do I'm sure you'll be happy.
>
> I also bought a 4-slice toaster, but it doesn't run Linux. :(
>

How 20th century of you... ;-)


> As always, thanks for the help, it is most appreciated here in the
> hinterlands.
>
> Btw, did anyone else happen to read about the Wall Street Journal's
> "interviews" with residents of Findlay OH ? Yep, that's my hometown, and
> yep, this place is filled with knee-jerk reactionaries.

Missed them but I'll go looking. Here is California is all peace, love
and understanding, right? ;-)

Cheers,
Mark
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 15:26:31 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:26:31 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <487A1DB7.3050209@woh.rr.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807120759y2a6fe42ev46408fe60a08ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080712111247.c76168a1.jh@brainiac.com>
	<4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1DB7.3050209@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807131226w7cdd5dd2n5956a23dd369a7ad@mail.gmail.com>

Nahh, you'll be fine with VGA. No question this new montir, set up
correctly, will have a better display than any of your older monitors.
I've not used DVI/HDMI under Linux so I cannot comment on that. I
suspect the graphics adapter senses a monitor at the end of the cable
and routes video where ever it can. Under Windows I have tools to
mirror desktops or run separate desktops on the two monitors. I
suspect all that exists in X11 but haven't ever used it myself.

Good luck,
Mark

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> I forgot to mention that I'm running it with the VGA connection. Should I
> line myself up against the wall now ? ;)
>
> Actually, thanks to Loki's remarks I'm kind of interested in the DVI now. My
> video card has the output, but I need a cable. Is there any other special
> consideration to make when going DVI ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Sun Jul 13 15:38:48 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:38:48 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
Message-ID: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Monday 07 July 2008 23:31:30 Giuseppe Zompatori wrote:
> 2008/7/7 Emanuel Rumpf <xbran at web.de>:
> > I thought, it would probably help some of you, if I uploaded
> > my rt-config for a 2.6.25.8 realtime kernel (debian system).
>
> <snip>
>
> > tar xfj patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2
> > zcat ../config.gz > ./.config
>
> </snip>
>
> You can use those compressed files directly/in-line by using the z/bz
> prefixed version of cat, i.e.:
>
> bzcat ../patch-2.6.25.8-rt7.bz2 | patch -p1
>
>Did all that, worked like a charm:

>1. realtime apparently cannot be set to be modularized as in previous 
>versions. WIll NOT accept:
>CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m
>CONFIG_REALTIME_CAPABILITIES=m

>but insists on CONG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y

realtime-lsm may no longer be valid for 2.6.25 kernels--debian has no prepared 
modules beyond 2.6.23.
I have not objection to rlimits but cannot find this. How does one install/use 
this?

>2. My old nvidia driver will not compile. I can check back on their site for 
>an upgrade but this is for an older mx400 card!

Debian's legacy 96xx did build up and install after a fashion. Have not tried 
it yet.. In the past, I got half the frame rate using debian's versions. I did 
not install the debian nvidia libglx.so at this point and I guard nvidia's on 
every xorg upgrade. May not work with the debian driver, however.

Without rlimits, I will not use 2.6.25 kernel anyway.


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Sun Jul 13 15:49:41 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:49:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com> <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Sonntag, 13. Juli 2008 schrieb Mark Knecht:
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> 
wrote:
> Keep in mind that with flat panel displays there is only one *real*
> pixel count. There is no way to change how many pixels are on the
> screen. If your monitor is 1620x1280 native then that's all it runs.
> When you set a different resolution in xorg.config then software or
> hardware has to make a conversion to the native resolution of the
> display. This is different than an old style analog monitor that just
> changed how fast it painted pixels and could change the real
> resolution. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I find it best to
> first set the monitor up using whatever the actual resolution of the
> monitor is and try running that resolution for a few days. If you're
> happy with it then stick with it as it's the best picture quality and
> the lower system overhead.

There is no system-overhead from re-calculating the pixels. Its done by the 
screen itself. But it usually looks ugly, so it is best to use the fixed 
maximum resolution of the flat-panel. Even if you set the base font size to 
bigger values. (Makes you find bad ui design in apps...)

> > I also bought a 4-slice toaster, but it doesn't run Linux. :(
> How 20th century of you... ;-)

I do have a microwave where I am looking for a plug for a real keyboard...

Arnold
-- 
visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/
---
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From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sun Jul 13 16:19:01 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:19:01 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
Message-ID: <487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>

Arnold Krille wrote:
> There is no system-overhead from re-calculating the pixels. Its done by the 
> screen itself. But it usually looks ugly, so it is best to use the fixed 
> maximum resolution of the flat-panel. Even if you set the base font size to 
> bigger values. (Makes you find bad ui design in apps...)
I discovered that quickly enough. It's now at its maximum resolution, I 
must say it's pretty nice, especially for movies. Ardour looked great on 
it too, but I notice some "shimmering" on some other things. I'm still 
playing with the contrast and some other controls to find the best settings.

Btw, how is the EDID accessed by the driver ? I mean, is it supposed to 
reside in a certain place, do I have to load it, or whatever ? Is it 
important to me ?

Best,

dp





From hollunder at gmx.at  Sun Jul 13 16:21:17 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:21:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807120759y2a6fe42ev46408fe60a08ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080712111247.c76168a1.jh@brainiac.com>
	<4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:24:05 -0700
"Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not too many. I used xorg.conf for our Samsung 17" and 19" monitors.
> My son's 22" is on a Windows only machine so no direct experience with
> setting up X on that monitor but I suspect it's probably very straight
> forward.
> 
> I would suggest that you get out the manual for your new monitor and
> find the exact specs - vertical and horizontal sync rates, horizontal
> and vertical pixel count, etc., and then approach the X config as a
> custom monitor. I've had better luck setting them up that way.
> 
> Keep in mind that with flat panel displays there is only one *real*
> pixel count. There is no way to change how many pixels are on the
> screen. If your monitor is 1620x1280 native then that's all it runs.
> When you set a different resolution in xorg.config then software or
> hardware has to make a conversion to the native resolution of the
> display. This is different than an old style analog monitor that just
> changed how fast it painted pixels and could change the real
> resolution. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I find it best to
> first set the monitor up using whatever the actual resolution of the
> monitor is and try running that resolution for a few days. If you're
> happy with it then stick with it as it's the best picture quality and
> the lower system overhead.
> 
> Whatever you do I'm sure you'll be happy.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark

Congratz Dave, and thanks Mark.
I just replaced my old 15" (or 17"?) CRT with a flat one of the same
size but can't get anything above 1024 out of it. Maybe that's just the
hardware limit?
Configuring monitors in ubuntu hardy heron with a practically empty
xorg.conf is even more fun than it used to be.. hooray for
'simplification'.
/end rant
have fun
	Philipp


From xbran at web.de  Sun Jul 13 16:30:54 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:30:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807131851.27963.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <5eb95dc90807070856v3865765cv655b1d4c7c3f6d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a5df3c20807071331i789e9631xf569ca0a998c3827@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807131851.27963.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807131330l310ab20fja4e69e95f993442@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/13 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> 1. realtime apparently cannot be set to be modularized as in previous
> versions. WIll NOT accept:
> CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m
> CONFIG_REALTIME_CAPABILITIES=m
>

did you use the the config that I uploaded ?
I'm asking, because it has:
   CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y
and doesn't even contain the option:
  CONFIG_REALTIME_CAPABILITIES



nvidia driver
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2. My old nvidia driver will not compile. I can check back on their site for
> an upgrade but this is for an older mx400 card!
>

Maybe comiling and installing the kernel headers does help:
  make-kpkg kernel_headers
and then install with dpkg -i ....

for current drivers check: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html


I have nvidia too.
But haven't tried to compile it for the current kernel yet.

I've recently had more and more problems
with the binary driver (X suddenly quitting)
and thus don't use it at the moment.

I'm currently using nvidia framebuffer driver instead (it's open
source, afaict):
modprobe nvidiafb
and for using it in X, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf set Option Driver to "fbdev"


From xbran at web.de  Sun Jul 13 16:43:34 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:43:34 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/13 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> realtime-lsm may no longer be valid for 2.6.25 kernels--debian has no prepared
> modules beyond 2.6.23.
> I have not objection to rlimits but cannot find this. How does one install/use
> this?

there's no reason to use realtime-lsm anymore

> Without rlimits, I will not use 2.6.25 kernel anyway.

rlimits functionality is default in 2.6.25 kernel.
I think it's activated with the CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y option (?)


also don't forget to add this to /etc/security/limits.conf :

@audio - rtprio 78
@audio - memlock 400000
@audio - nice -10


From xbran at web.de  Sun Jul 13 16:58:19 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:58:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807131358g24c7212md98a7e3dfd154d51@mail.gmail.com>

things to do additionally
------------------------------------------------------------------------------


enable realtime clock
----------------------

for the realtime clock to work, you've got to load these modules:
  modprobe rtc_core
  modprobe rtc_cmos

you should then have a device
  /dev/rtc0

then change the max-user-frequency of rtc (default is only 64):
  echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq

test:
  cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq


and maybe of hpet as well (?)
  echo 2048 > /proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq
(Is hpet emulated by rtc ?)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------



set realtime priorities
-----------------------

install scheduling tools (/usr/bin/chrt)
  apt-get install schedutils
or
  apt-get install schedtool


install,setup and run the rtirq script by Rui Nuno Capela
download:
  wget http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20071012.tar.gz


From seablaede at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 17:02:31 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:02:31 -0600
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com> <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
	<487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <eb6dc46f0807131402p143bafc6o8f93d00d36955381@mail.gmail.com>

EDID firmware resides in the monitor itself.  You should never have to worry
about it, unless something is shot on your monitor.  X-Org will probe it for
some basic information about your panel, to use in its configuration.

I did have to access it once, when I suspected my brand new monitor was
dead.  I had to dig out the full results of what was in the EDID to figure
out what was wrong, and that it was a problem within the monitor.  This was
with a band new Samsung funnily enough.  However I called up Samsung with
this information, and within a half hour of being on the phone with them(One
transfer as the person I got in touch with the first time was obviously
entry level tech support and they realised very quickly I knew more than
they did about it so they transferred me up to the higher ups), they were
shipping out a new monitor to me to a local UPS store since I wasn't home
most of the day, where I did my exchange there.  Couldn't be happier with
their service in that regards.

But most people(99.999%) will probably never have to worry about it.

     Seablade

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
wrote:

> Arnold Krille wrote:
> > There is no system-overhead from re-calculating the pixels. Its done by
> the
> > screen itself. But it usually looks ugly, so it is best to use the fixed
> > maximum resolution of the flat-panel. Even if you set the base font size
> to
> > bigger values. (Makes you find bad ui design in apps...)
> I discovered that quickly enough. It's now at its maximum resolution, I
> must say it's pretty nice, especially for movies. Ardour looked great on
> it too, but I notice some "shimmering" on some other things. I'm still
> playing with the contrast and some other controls to find the best
> settings.
>
> Btw, how is the EDID accessed by the driver ? I mean, is it supposed to
> reside in a certain place, do I have to load it, or whatever ? Is it
> important to me ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
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From musicwolf at web.de  Sun Jul 13 17:40:30 2008
From: musicwolf at web.de (R.Wolff)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:40:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>	<48639853.6020609@web.de>	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>	<48661248.4050507@web.de>
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Depending on which instrument (genre) you want to focus. If you're longing for 
keys mainly (Piano, E-Piano, Rhode, Wurli a B3 maybe), and synth secondly, I 
think I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this M-Audio KB. It has 88 keys (which I 
wish mine would have :( ), I guess the 'touch' would be half-decent at last. The 
'Pro-88' has quite good keys IMHO. But be sure you get a second series model. 
The first had some problems physical with the keyboard/keys.
If you'd be more interested in synth stuff, the Radium/Oxygen KB could be a 
better choice, as they give you extended functionality for tweaking, automation 
writing 'n stuff. I extended my synth with a Behringer BCR2000, which is a 
really cool controller. Also use it for QSynth, Freewheeling, Ardour and other 
instruments/FX/editors under 64 Studio (32-bit).
Anyway, with Thomann I never had the slightest problem. You can send back the 
stuff you don't like within  2 weeks at last.

Cheers
Raphael ;)


schoappied schrieb:

> Because I don't think I can afford a real good electric piano, maybe I 
> should just go for a cheapo keyboard to be able to play with notes, 
> musical structures, scales etc. in companion with software stuff on linux.
> 
> What about this one? De m-audio keystation ? Is this a good one? Other 
> comparable stuff which is good?
> 
> http://www.thomann.de/nl/m-audio_keystation_88es.htm
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
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From pieterp at joow.be  Sun Jul 13 18:09:54 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:09:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack 109 segfaults in ubuntu 7.10
In-Reply-To: <4879FE3C.9000600@linuxuse.de>
References: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de> <4877DB0D.4000501@joow.be>
	<4877E518.9080402@linuxuse.de> <48787781.3050306@joow.be>
	<48789B3D.5060905@linuxuse.de> <4878A7F3.1030404@joow.be>
	<48791DAF.7040307@linuxuse.de> <4879DCFB.4070000@joow.be>
	<4879FE3C.9000600@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <487A7D32.6090103@joow.be>

Hartmut Noack wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Pieter Palmers schrieb:
>> Hartmut Noack wrote:
> 
>> There is still a log missing that is requested in the README (ffado-diag).
>>
> .
> oops -sorry :-)

You have an o2micro host controller:

04:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: O2 Micro, Inc. Firewire (IEEE 1394) 
[1217:00f7] (rev 02) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])

those are not the best ever.

To reliably use ffado with this controller you have to use patched 1394 
kernel modules, you can find them here: 
http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/TxSkipPatched

The 2.6.22-15-rt file should be good for your setup (2.6.22-14-rt).

After compilation you either replace the kernel modules manually, or you 
copy them over to the correct place to have them auto-loaded 
(/lib/modules/2.6.22-15-rt/kernel/drivers/ieee1394 in your case), and 
reboot.

Greets,

Pieter


From phanatic at volny.cz  Sun Jul 13 18:22:47 2008
From: phanatic at volny.cz (Ctirad Fertr)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:22:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] E-MU 1820M alsa support
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df41a9e40807051332v1ddefe73s622fbe7310ca66d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807140022.48072.phanatic@volny.cz>

Dne Saturday 05 of July 2008 22:32:11 Brad Fuller napsal(a):

Hi,

> The alsa page says that the E-MU 1820M is supported in version 1.0.14,
> so this device should be supported now. Anyone use the device? If so,
> how well does it play with alsa?

A few weeks ago I  wrote here a short description about current status of EMU 
support. Search for "1616" in list archives.

Regards,

Ctirad


From coryisatm at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 18:25:03 2008
From: coryisatm at gmail.com (Cory K.)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:25:03 -0400
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
Message-ID: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>

Hi All. I'm Cory. Lead on Ubuntu Studio. 1st post to this list. ;)

I have a pickle of a issue for a little app I'm working on. It takes
your FLAC collection and converts the entire thing to whatever format
you want with a couple of simple options.

Anyway, I'm unsure what extension to use for Vorbis audio because .ogg
is legacy and .oga should be used now. Issue is, going .oga might render
HW players that haven't updated to be able to use the extension.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg

"The Xiph.Org Foundation decided to create a new set of file extensions
and media types to describe different types of content such as .oga for
audio only files, .ogv for video with or without sound (including
Theora), and .ogx for applications."

More reference:
http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions

To me, the only way to further adoption is to use the extension by
default. I talked to the oggenc dev and he has no intention of using .oga.

So this is all very vexing to me as to which way to go.

Do I use what is supposed to be the new replacement extension for Vorbis
audio or do I continue to go with respected Xiph devs and continue to
perpetuate a legacy extension with this little app of mine?

-Cory \m/


From hollunder at gmx.at  Sun Jul 13 18:30:50 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:30:50 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
Message-ID: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

Hi guys (and gals),

a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer that is at least
capable of recording a whole band simultaneously.
He thinks that 16 channels might be a minimum for that, but he isn't
exactly experienced, and me neither.

It would be nice if it would work as firewire audio interface as well,
like the mackie onyx mixers, mainly because it might mean less trouble
overall.
Those onyx mixers look nice, and are supported by ffado, but we'd
like to have some more options.

Linux support isn't a strict requirement but it would be really nice to
have as option. So far it didn't work for him, but when the hardware
works with linux I can show him what's there and what's new from time
to time.

In this case he has a budget of up to 3000 Euros or possibly more, but
the stuff really needs to work for a studio.

Thanks in advance for any advice,
best regards
		Philipp


From hollunder at gmx.at  Sun Jul 13 18:44:08 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:44:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:25:03 -0400
"Cory K." <coryisatm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All. I'm Cory. Lead on Ubuntu Studio. 1st post to this list. ;)
> 
> I have a pickle of a issue for a little app I'm working on. It takes
> your FLAC collection and converts the entire thing to whatever format
> you want with a couple of simple options.
> 
> Anyway, I'm unsure what extension to use for Vorbis audio because .ogg
> is legacy and .oga should be used now. Issue is, going .oga might
> render HW players that haven't updated to be able to use the
> extension.
> 
> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
> 
> "The Xiph.Org Foundation decided to create a new set of file
> extensions and media types to describe different types of content
> such as .oga for audio only files, .ogv for video with or without
> sound (including Theora), and .ogx for applications."
> 
> More reference:
> http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions
> 
> To me, the only way to further adoption is to use the extension by
> default. I talked to the oggenc dev and he has no intention of
> using .oga.
> 
> So this is all very vexing to me as to which way to go.
> 
> Do I use what is supposed to be the new replacement extension for
> Vorbis audio or do I continue to go with respected Xiph devs and
> continue to perpetuate a legacy extension with this little app of
> mine?
> 
> -Cory \m/

Hi Cory,
I can't give you an answer but I suggest that you talk to other encoder
devs, like aoyumi, who make the wonderful aoTuV encoder, the guy who
makes the lancer builds and montgomery himself.
A first step could be a visit to the vorbis channel on freenode or a
mail to the vorbis list.

I personally don't think that the extension matters much, without
having talked to anybody knowledgeable I'd go for compatibility.

I'm looking forward to your app, wondering what separates it from apps
like soundconverter and soundkonverter ;)

Best Regards,
	Philipp


From folderol at ukfsn.org  Sun Jul 13 18:47:05 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:47:05 +0100
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080713234705.545d8dc0@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:25:03 -0400
"Cory K." <coryisatm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All. I'm Cory. Lead on Ubuntu Studio. 1st post to this list. ;)

Hello :)
 
> I have a pickle of a issue for a little app I'm working on. It takes
> your FLAC collection and converts the entire thing to whatever format
> you want with a couple of simple options.
> 
> Anyway, I'm unsure what extension to use for Vorbis audio because .ogg
> is legacy and .oga should be used now. Issue is, going .oga might render
> HW players that haven't updated to be able to use the extension.
> 
> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
> 
> "The Xiph.Org Foundation decided to create a new set of file extensions
> and media types to describe different types of content such as .oga for
> audio only files, .ogv for video with or without sound (including
> Theora), and .ogx for applications."
> 
> More reference:
> http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions
> 
> To me, the only way to further adoption is to use the extension by
> default. I talked to the oggenc dev and he has no intention of using .oga.
> 
> So this is all very vexing to me as to which way to go.
> 
> Do I use what is supposed to be the new replacement extension for Vorbis
> audio or do I continue to go with respected Xiph devs and continue to
> perpetuate a legacy extension with this little app of mine?
> 
> -Cory \m/


I would say stick with ogg until you see a *very* significant number of
oga's in the wild. I've seen none so far, and there is no point in
using an extension that nothing recognises. I would guess that players
will eventuall be produced that will accept both extensions.

Maybe have a switch in your app so it can be changed later.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From mle+la at mega-nerd.com  Sun Jul 13 19:03:36 2008
From: mle+la at mega-nerd.com (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:03:36 +1000
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080714090336.f4a754e1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com>

Cory K. wrote:

> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
> 
> "The Xiph.Org Foundation decided to create a new set of file extensions
> and media types to describe different types of content such as .oga for
> audio only files, .ogv for video with or without sound (including
> Theora), and .ogx for applications."
> 
> More reference:
> http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions
> 
> To me, the only way to further adoption is to use the extension by
> default. I talked to the oggenc dev and he has no intention of using .oga.

I'm the main developer of libsndfile I libsndfile has been suggesting
the use of .oga for at least 6 months.

> So this is all very vexing to me as to which way to go.

Quite honestly, I really don't think it matters very much. No sensible
application would use the file extension to guess the data format in
the Ogg container.

Erik
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Erik de Castro Lopo
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Only people who suck have a problem with elitism.


From shakti at bayarea.net  Sun Jul 13 19:03:25 2008
From: shakti at bayarea.net (Tracey Hytry)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:03:25 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
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A long time ago I discovered that analog VGA cables degraded the signal if they were too long.

Everything was fine until the cable got longer than about a meter.
This was the case when using one monitor with 2 computers and the signal needed to go through a switch box.

I remember going out of my way to buy expensive, but good quality VGA cables just to get a decent video signal if I wanted my computer to be some distance from my work area.

My experience is that all of the slight shadowing that comes with VGA cables went away when I started using a flat panel _and_ DVI cables.  

If I need a couple of meters distance between the computer and the monitor I now only use DVI.  This is the case when using a video switch box.  The cost of DVI cables have come down toward the price of a good quality analog cable, so everything works out fine now.

The disadvantage to all of this is that DVI switch boxes are expensive!  Such is life, to be able to see pretty pictures.


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 19:06:25 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:06:25 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM,  <hollunder at gmx.at> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:24:05 -0700
> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not too many. I used xorg.conf for our Samsung 17" and 19" monitors.
>> My son's 22" is on a Windows only machine so no direct experience with
>> setting up X on that monitor but I suspect it's probably very straight
>> forward.
>>
>> I would suggest that you get out the manual for your new monitor and
>> find the exact specs - vertical and horizontal sync rates, horizontal
>> and vertical pixel count, etc., and then approach the X config as a
>> custom monitor. I've had better luck setting them up that way.
>>
>> Keep in mind that with flat panel displays there is only one *real*
>> pixel count. There is no way to change how many pixels are on the
>> screen. If your monitor is 1620x1280 native then that's all it runs.
>> When you set a different resolution in xorg.config then software or
>> hardware has to make a conversion to the native resolution of the
>> display. This is different than an old style analog monitor that just
>> changed how fast it painted pixels and could change the real
>> resolution. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I find it best to
>> first set the monitor up using whatever the actual resolution of the
>> monitor is and try running that resolution for a few days. If you're
>> happy with it then stick with it as it's the best picture quality and
>> the lower system overhead.
>>
>> Whatever you do I'm sure you'll be happy.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>
> Congratz Dave, and thanks Mark.
> I just replaced my old 15" (or 17"?) CRT with a flat one of the same
> size but can't get anything above 1024 out of it. Maybe that's just the
> hardware limit?
> Configuring monitors in ubuntu hardy heron with a practically empty
> xorg.conf is even more fun than it used to be.. hooray for
> 'simplification'.
> /end rant
> have fun
>        Philipp

I think our 17" and 19" Samsungs both do 1280x1024. Certainly you
might have one that only does 1024x768 but that seems like it would be
an older piece of hardware.

If you can supply and exact make and model number then we can probably
search it out over the net.

How did you decide it won't do anything larger?

- Mark


From coryisatm at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 19:12:44 2008
From: coryisatm at gmail.com (Cory K.)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:12:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
Message-ID: <487A8BEC.2020409@gmail.com>

Folderol wrote:
> I would say stick with ogg until you see a *very* significant number of
> oga's in the wild. I've seen none so far, and there is no point in
> using an extension that nothing recognises. I would guess that players
> will eventuall be produced that will accept both extensions.
>   

Well that's the pickle though isn't it? How to you get them out there
unless apps use the extension by default?

I haven't seen any linux/BSD choke on my .oga files so far. Many look to
handle the MIME just fine.  Apps on windows did pretty well also though
Winamp was sadly unable to play it. :( No real point in testing iTunes. :P

> Maybe have a switch in your app so it can be changed later.
>   
ATM, I have it set to .oga be default with a switch for legacy to use .ogg

So... Still a real pickle. What makes it worse is that even though Xiph
instituted these new extensions they have no intention on pushing them.
Without a push, how can there be adoption?

-Cory \m/


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 19:20:16 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:20:16 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Arnold Krille wrote:
>> There is no system-overhead from re-calculating the pixels. Its done by the
>> screen itself. But it usually looks ugly, so it is best to use the fixed
>> maximum resolution of the flat-panel. Even if you set the base font size to
>> bigger values. (Makes you find bad ui design in apps...)
> I discovered that quickly enough. It's now at its maximum resolution, I
> must say it's pretty nice, especially for movies. Ardour looked great on
> it too, but I notice some "shimmering" on some other things. I'm still
> playing with the contrast and some other controls to find the best settings.
>
> Btw, how is the EDID accessed by the driver ? I mean, is it supposed to
> reside in a certain place, do I have to load it, or whatever ? Is it
> important to me ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>

Dave,
   There is a package that supports reading EDID's from the command
line called 'read-edid'. Unfortunately it doesn't work on Gentoo
64-bit systems, but on my wife's 32-bit system it gives readable
results. If you are 32-bit (I'm thinking I remember you going 64-bit?)
then it would be interesting to see what your monitor reports.

   It's helpful to have this around on at least one machine. It's easy
to drag these light flat panels around to test them if you need to and
the reported values help with setting up X11.

   Watch out about running get-edid without the parse-edid. It may
change your terminal or console font.

Cheers,
Mark

   Here's my wife's monitor:

dragonfly ~ # get-edid | parse-edid
get-edid: get-edid version 1.4.1

	Performing real mode VBE call
	Interrupt 0x10 ax=0x4f00 bx=0x0 cx=0x0
	Function supported
	Call successful

	VBE version 300
	VBE string at 0x11110 "Intel(r)865G Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS"

VBE/DDC service about to be called
	Report DDC capabilities

	Performing real mode VBE call
	Interrupt 0x10 ax=0x4f15 bx=0x0 cx=0x0
parse-edid: parse-edid version 1.4.1
	Function supported
	Call successful

	Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC1 transfers
	Monitor and video card combination supports DDC2 transfers
	0 seconds per 128 byte EDID block transfer
	Screen is not blanked during DDC transfer

Reading next EDID block

VBE/DDC service about to be called
	Read EDID

	Performing real mode VBE call
	Interrupt 0x10 ax=0x4f15 bx=0x1 cx=0x0
	Function supported
	Call successful

parse-edid: EDID checksum passed.

	# EDID version 1 revision 3
Section "Monitor"
	# Block type: 2:0 3:fd
	# Block type: 2:0 3:fc
	Identifier "SyncMaster"
	VendorName "SAM"
	ModelName "SyncMaster"
	# Block type: 2:0 3:fd
	HorizSync 30-81
	VertRefresh 56-75
	# Max dot clock (video bandwidth) 140 MHz
	# Block type: 2:0 3:fc
	# Block type: 2:0 3:ff
	# DPMS capabilities: Active off:yes  Suspend:no  Standby:no

	Mode 	"1280x1024"	# vfreq 60.020Hz, hfreq 63.981kHz
		DotClock	108.000000
		HTimings	1280 1328 1440 1688
		VTimings	1024 1025 1028 1066
		Flags	"+HSync" "+VSync"
	EndMode
	# Block type: 2:0 3:fd
	# Block type: 2:0 3:fc
	# Block type: 2:0 3:ff
EndSection
dragonfly ~ #


From loki.davison at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 19:22:47 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:22:47 +1000
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> I forgot to mention that I'm running it with the VGA connection. Should
> I line myself up against the wall now ? ;)
>
> Actually, thanks to Loki's remarks I'm kind of interested in the DVI
> now. My video card has the output, but I need a cable. Is there any
> other special consideration to make when going DVI ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

Well, it automagically does everything for you with size, location etc
then which is nice, and it is clearer. Also a dvi cable costs $5 so
it's not a big issue. It is nicer. No setup is required as it's the
standard way to do it now days. Remember that HDMI and DVI have
nothing in common. Lots of people keep mentioning HDMI which is the
weird arse encrypyed dodgy one.  :) Try both and tell me if you can
see the difference. With cards/screens i've tried it's a pretty huge
difference but i'm not sure if some of the guys using VGA connectors
have A/Bed. Audio guys should know that extra ad/da for no reason is a
bad thing.

Loki


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 19:34:30 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:34:30 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Loki Davison <loki.davison at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I'm running it with the VGA connection. Should
>> I line myself up against the wall now ? ;)
>>
>> Actually, thanks to Loki's remarks I'm kind of interested in the DVI
>> now. My video card has the output, but I need a cable. Is there any
>> other special consideration to make when going DVI ?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>>
>
> Well, it automagically does everything for you with size, location etc
> then which is nice, and it is clearer. Also a dvi cable costs $5 so
> it's not a big issue. It is nicer. No setup is required as it's the
> standard way to do it now days. Remember that HDMI and DVI have
> nothing in common. Lots of people keep mentioning HDMI which is the
> weird arse encrypyed dodgy one.  :) Try both and tell me if you can
> see the difference. With cards/screens i've tried it's a pretty huge
> difference but i'm not sure if some of the guys using VGA connectors
> have A/Bed. Audio guys should know that extra ad/da for no reason is a
> bad thing.
>
> Loki
>

I agree completely with everything Loki says. It's all perfectly
correct. Whether your eyes see the difference is based on the quality
of your eyes. Ears are FAR more sensitive. My eyes are very old and
quite blurry looking even at real life. It hardly matters to me what
the quality of my screen is after the second beer. ;-)

Cherrio,
Mark


From coryisatm at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 19:52:49 2008
From: coryisatm at gmail.com (Cory K.)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:52:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <20080714090336.f4a754e1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
	<20080714090336.f4a754e1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com>
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Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> Quite honestly, I really don't think it matters very much. No sensible
> application would use the file extension to guess the data format in
> the Ogg container.

Sure, but unfortunately that's not how alot of HW/SW works. I was really
shocked RockBox hasn't kept up with this change. :(

-Cory \m/


From sstubbs at shout.net  Sun Jul 13 20:04:35 2008
From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:04:35 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Changing BPM in Jack Audio Connection Kit 0.2.22
Message-ID: <1215993875.14780.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello All,

Jack Audio Connection Kit 0.2.22
Rosegarden 1.5.1
Ardour 2.1
Fedora Core 6 with Planet CCRMA sources.

Using Jack Transport as the control for Rosegarden and Ardour.  (This is
my first project doing using Ardour.)

In Rosegarden, I have a BPM of 160. I'm using Rosegarden to send MIDI to
my external Roland Sound Expansion modules.  The audio output of the
Roland synths is sent back to the PCM Audigy2-ZS sound card in the
computer.  I'm recording into Ardour.

I start recording.  Ardour is getting a BPM of 120, not the 160 BPM as
Rosegarden is set to.

The Qjackctl window of Jack shows a BPM of 120.

How do I change Jack to use a BPM of 160?    Is this a command line
setting I should be using?

Thanks All,
Stephen.



From pcoccoli at gmail.com  Sun Jul 13 23:09:22 2008
From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:09:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1DB7.3050209@woh.rr.com>
	<ec9314860807131622x4f269c21o2e727c5e21968ee7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d27a0610807132009w6e00206ckfa03f42a4d7a35c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Loki Davison <loki.davison at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I'm running it with the VGA connection. Should
>> I line myself up against the wall now ? ;)
>>
>> Actually, thanks to Loki's remarks I'm kind of interested in the DVI
>> now. My video card has the output, but I need a cable. Is there any
>> other special consideration to make when going DVI ?
>>
>
> Well, it automagically does everything for you with size, location etc
> then which is nice, and it is clearer. Also a dvi cable costs $5 so
> it's not a big issue. It is nicer. No setup is required as it's the
> standard way to do it now days. Remember that HDMI and DVI have
> nothing in common. Lots of people keep mentioning HDMI which is the
> weird arse encrypyed dodgy one.  :) Try both and tell me if you can
> see the difference. With cards/screens i've tried it's a pretty huge
> difference but i'm not sure if some of the guys using VGA connectors
> have A/Bed. Audio guys should know that extra ad/da for no reason is a
> bad thing.
>

To see for myself, I just swapped from VGA to DVI on my Westinghouse
LTV-19w6 (an LCD TV, but I use it as a monitor).  My eyes can't tell
any difference.


From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Sun Jul 13 23:33:59 2008
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:33:59 +0700
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <487AC927.2010604@boosthardware.com>

Hi,

Midas is a great brand and at the high end of mixing consoles. They also 
run their latest products on a Linux system.

Mackie is good for the price.

Behringher is cheap but they have a lot of quirks and the sound quality 
is not very nice.

If you've got cash to spend and audio quality is your desire then you 
can't go wrong with a Midas.



Cheers.


hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> Hi guys (and gals),
>
> a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer that is at least
> capable of recording a whole band simultaneously.
> He thinks that 16 channels might be a minimum for that, but he isn't
> exactly experienced, and me neither.
>
> It would be nice if it would work as firewire audio interface as well,
> like the mackie onyx mixers, mainly because it might mean less trouble
> overall.
> Those onyx mixers look nice, and are supported by ffado, but we'd
> like to have some more options.
>
> Linux support isn't a strict requirement but it would be really nice to
> have as option. So far it didn't work for him, but when the hardware
> works with linux I can show him what's there and what's new from time
> to time.
>
> In this case he has a budget of up to 3000 Euros or possibly more, but
> the stuff really needs to work for a studio.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice,
> best regards
> 		Philipp
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>   


-- 
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.





From d_baron at 012.net.il  Mon Jul 14 01:26:08 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:26:08 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807131358g24c7212md98a7e3dfd154d51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807131358g24c7212md98a7e3dfd154d51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807140826.10307.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Sunday 13 July 2008 23:58:19 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> things to do additionally
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
>
>
> enable realtime clock
> ----------------------
>
> for the realtime clock to work, you've got to load these modules:
>   modprobe rtc_core
>   modprobe rtc_cmos

rebuilding the kernel to get rtc_cmos right now. There are others in that 
group and my MB has a via chipset so I hope this is OK. The standard IDE 
driver was not.

> you should then have a device
>   /dev/rtc0
>
> then change the max-user-frequency of rtc (default is only 64):
>   echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
>
> test:
>   cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
It would not let me create these directories but may after the module is 
available.

> and maybe of hpet as well (?)
>   echo 2048 > /proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq
> (Is hpet emulated by rtc ?)


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Mon Jul 14 01:27:31 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:27:31 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807140827.32373.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Sunday 13 July 2008 23:43:34 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/13 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> > realtime-lsm may no longer be valid for 2.6.25 kernels--debian has no
> > prepared modules beyond 2.6.23.
> > I have not objection to rlimits but cannot find this. How does one
> > install/use this?
>
> there's no reason to use realtime-lsm anymore
>
> > Without rlimits, I will not use 2.6.25 kernel anyway.
>
> rlimits functionality is default in 2.6.25 kernel.
> I think it's activated with the CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y option (?)
>
>
> also don't forget to add this to /etc/security/limits.conf :
>
> @audio - rtprio 78
> @audio - memlock 400000
> @audio - nice -10

These are already there:
# audio facilities:
@audio          -       rtprio          95
@audio          -       memlock         512000
@audio          -       nice            -19

better or worse?


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Mon Jul 14 02:49:36 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:49:36 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>

hollunder at gmx.at wrote:

> a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer that is at least
> capable of recording a whole band simultaneously.
> He thinks that 16 channels might be a minimum for that, but he isn't
> exactly experienced, and me neither.

What's a "whole band"? My church band has two electric guitars, one 
acoustic guitar, one violin, one keyboard; 8 singers; two wireless mics 
used by the priests ... we use a 16-channel Firewire device and 
sometimes find ourselves wishing we had more channels ...

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Mon Jul 14 02:51:28 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:51:28 -1000
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
In-Reply-To: <20080713160325.73ec9b4d.shakti@bayarea.net>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>	<487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>
	<20080713160325.73ec9b4d.shakti@bayarea.net>
Message-ID: <487AF770.7020909@hawaii.rr.com>

Tracey Hytry wrote:

> A long time ago I discovered that analog VGA cables degraded the
> signal if they were too long.
> 
> Everything was fine until the cable got longer than about a meter. 
> This was the case when using one monitor with 2 computers and the
> signal needed to go through a switch box.
> 
> I remember going out of my way to buy expensive, but good quality VGA
> cables just to get a decent video signal if I wanted my computer to
> be some distance from my work area.
> 
> My experience is that all of the slight shadowing that comes with VGA
> cables went away when I started using a flat panel _and_ DVI cables.
> 
> If I need a couple of meters distance between the computer and the
> monitor I now only use DVI.  This is the case when using a video
> switch box.  The cost of DVI cables have come down toward the price
> of a good quality analog cable, so everything works out fine now.
> 
> The disadvantage to all of this is that DVI switch boxes are
> expensive!  Such is life, to be able to see pretty pictures.

There are VGA booster boxes meant for use when extending VGA cable
lengths ...

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Mon Jul 14 02:56:26 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:56:26 -1000
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807120759y2a6fe42ev46408fe60a08ab2d@mail.gmail.com>	<20080712111247.c76168a1.jh@brainiac.com>	<4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com>

hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:24:05 -0700
> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not too many. I used xorg.conf for our Samsung 17" and 19" monitors.
>> My son's 22" is on a Windows only machine so no direct experience with
>> setting up X on that monitor but I suspect it's probably very straight
>> forward.
>>
>> I would suggest that you get out the manual for your new monitor and
>> find the exact specs - vertical and horizontal sync rates, horizontal
>> and vertical pixel count, etc., and then approach the X config as a
>> custom monitor. I've had better luck setting them up that way.
>>
>> Keep in mind that with flat panel displays there is only one *real*
>> pixel count. There is no way to change how many pixels are on the
>> screen. If your monitor is 1620x1280 native then that's all it runs.
>> When you set a different resolution in xorg.config then software or
>> hardware has to make a conversion to the native resolution of the
>> display. This is different than an old style analog monitor that just
>> changed how fast it painted pixels and could change the real
>> resolution. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I find it best to
>> first set the monitor up using whatever the actual resolution of the
>> monitor is and try running that resolution for a few days. If you're
>> happy with it then stick with it as it's the best picture quality and
>> the lower system overhead.
>>
>> Whatever you do I'm sure you'll be happy.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
> 
> Congratz Dave, and thanks Mark.
> I just replaced my old 15" (or 17"?) CRT with a flat one of the same
> size but can't get anything above 1024 out of it. Maybe that's just the
> hardware limit?

Check your manual, but a lot of the lower-end 17" LCDs are 1024x768 max.

My server has a display adapter that can do 2048x1536 or something like 
that ... it'll be a long time before I can afford an LCD that can handle 
that!

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Mon Jul 14 03:03:45 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:03:45 -1000
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <20080714090336.f4a754e1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
	<20080714090336.f4a754e1.mle+la@mega-nerd.com>
Message-ID: <487AFA51.6090102@hawaii.rr.com>

The only portable audio player I own only recognizes MP3s and WMA files. 
Everything else is out of the question.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From fbar at footils.org  Mon Jul 14 03:36:54 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:36:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <487A8BEC.2020409@gmail.com>
References: <487A8BEC.2020409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080714073654.GD32373@fliwatut.scifi>

Hallo,
Cory K. hat gesagt: // Cory K. wrote:

> > Maybe have a switch in your app so it can be changed later.
> >   
> ATM, I have it set to .oga be default with a switch for legacy to use .ogg

Do you also support free form suffixes? 

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Mon Jul 14 04:13:00 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:13:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200807141013.10351.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb david:
> hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> > a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer that is at least
> > capable of recording a whole band simultaneously.
> > He thinks that 16 channels might be a minimum for that, but he isn't
> > exactly experienced, and me neither.
> What's a "whole band"? My church band has two electric guitars, one
> acoustic guitar, one violin, one keyboard; 8 singers; two wireless mics
> used by the priests ... we use a 16-channel Firewire device and
> sometimes find ourselves wishing we had more channels ...

On the other hand some of our church bands consist of one person with a guitar 
and a voice. Two additional wireless mics for the speakers and I can mix this 
setup with my 8-track firepod :-)

Have fun,

Arnold
-- 
visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/
---
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 04:45:54 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:45:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>	<48639853.6020609@web.de>	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>	<48661248.4050507@web.de>	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de>
Message-ID: <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>

R.Wolff wrote:
> Depending on which instrument (genre) you want to focus. If you're longing for 
> keys mainly (Piano, E-Piano, Rhode, Wurli a B3 maybe), and synth secondly,
>   
My focus in on the keys. I want to buy a second hand one, with keys 
which are closed to piano as possible in this price class. It must have 
at least 61 keys. It would be nice if it could produce some sound 
without a computer, but I want to be able to use it with my linux box 
too. I don't need to much knobs and sounds...

Are there maybe older keyboards from roland, yamaha or kurzweil or 
whatever, which are good and maybe available in a low price class 
(second hand price class 100 -200 euros) on the second hand market?

Thanks in advance,




From hollunder at gmx.at  Mon Jul 14 05:07:05 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:07:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU]  e-piano
In-Reply-To: <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>
	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>
	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>
	<48639853.6020609@web.de> <48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080714110705.1a30f094@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:45:54 +0200
schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:

> R.Wolff wrote:
> > Depending on which instrument (genre) you want to focus. If you're
> > longing for keys mainly (Piano, E-Piano, Rhode, Wurli a B3 maybe),
> > and synth secondly, 
> My focus in on the keys. I want to buy a second hand one, with keys 
> which are closed to piano as possible in this price class. It must
> have at least 61 keys. It would be nice if it could produce some
> sound without a computer, but I want to be able to use it with my
> linux box too. I don't need to much knobs and sounds...
> 
> Are there maybe older keyboards from roland, yamaha or kurzweil or 
> whatever, which are good and maybe available in a low price class 
> (second hand price class 100 -200 euros) on the second hand market?
> 
> Thanks in advance,

As it happens, I'm looking for quite the same thing. I'm starting to
learn keys and a friend told me that it's better to start with a piano.
I don't have the space for one, so a e-piano is probably the best
choice. Requirements: piano-like weighted keys; if possible midi and a
nice piano sound.
I heard that those e-pianos are rather expensive, which is a problem
for me. The most important part are the keys tough, and a way to
produce sounds that convinces at least me that I'm playing a piano and
not a washing machine :)

Good luck to you Dirk.
Best Regards,
	Philipp


From fons at kokkinizita.net  Mon Jul 14 05:10:20 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:10:20 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>
	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>
	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>
	<48639853.6020609@web.de> <48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:45:54AM +0200, schoappied wrote:

> Are there maybe older keyboards from roland, yamaha or kurzweil or 
> whatever, which are good and maybe available in a low price class 
> (second hand price class 100 -200 euros) on the second hand market?

I have a 2nd hand Farar SL880 (88 keys). Regarding MIDI
controllor functionality it's extremely primitive, but
the keyboard feels good. Paid around 130 euros for it. 

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From hollunder at gmx.at  Mon Jul 14 05:25:28 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:25:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20080714112528.64b06132@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:49:36 -1000
david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> 
> > a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer that is at least
> > capable of recording a whole band simultaneously.
> > He thinks that 16 channels might be a minimum for that, but he isn't
> > exactly experienced, and me neither.
> 
> What's a "whole band"? My church band has two electric guitars, one 
> acoustic guitar, one violin, one keyboard; 8 singers; two wireless
> mics used by the priests ... we use a 16-channel Firewire device and 
> sometimes find ourselves wishing we had more channels ...
> 

By whole band I mean a rather 'traditional' band setup with like,
drums, bass, singer/s, 1-2 guitars, maybe keys.
I would guess that 16 channels is plenty for that, except maybe
when one wants to mic every single drum separately.
His estimation was 16 channels minimum, it doesn't hurt if it's more.

Best Regards,
	Philipp


From ken at restivo.org  Mon Jul 14 05:28:04 2008
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:28:04 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
Message-ID: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>

I just received my OpenMoko FreeRunner phone and have been poking around in it, trying to learn my way around it.

I found this interesting:

	root at om-gta02:~# cat /proc/version
	Linux version 2.6.24 (build at barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008

Hmm... the FreeRunner ships with an Ingo patched RT kernel?

It's tempting to try to port JACK and maybe FluidSynth to it and see what happens.

-ken


From onepoint at starurchin.org  Mon Jul 14 05:42:08 2008
From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:42:08 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <20080714094208.GC1762@omphalos.onepoint>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 02:28:04AM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote:

> I found this interesting:
> 
> 	root at om-gta02:~# cat /proc/version
> 	Linux version 2.6.24 (build at barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008
> 
> Hmm... the FreeRunner ships with an Ingo patched RT kernel?

Not  necessarily  IMO.   I   run  a  vanilla  kernel.org  kernel  with
"CONFIG_PREEMPT=y"  and I  see "PREEMPT"  in /proc/version  too.  What
does "zcat /proc/config.gz | grep PREEMPT" say?

Regards, 

Jeremy Henty 


From peder at musikhuset.org  Mon Jul 14 05:59:30 2008
From: peder at musikhuset.org (peder at musikhuset.org)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:59:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Changing BPM in Jack Audio Connection Kit 0.2.22
In-Reply-To: <1215993875.14780.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1215993875.14780.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Quoting The Other <sstubbs at shout.net>:

> I start recording.  Ardour is getting a BPM of 120, not the 160 BPM as
> Rosegarden is set to.
>
> The Qjackctl window of Jack shows a BPM of 120.

With jack-transport you have to choose on of the clients to act as  
time/tempo master. Per default (at least in my setup) Ardour is setup  
to run as that.

So either you change tempo in Ardour by rightclick on the Tempo line,  
choose Edit and set it to 160 or you disable Ardour as time master  
(button below the sync setting, right of the secondary "beat" clock)  
and make sure Rosegarden is set as master.

- Peder


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Mon Jul 14 06:10:40 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:10:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <20080714112528.64b06132@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>
	<20080714112528.64b06132@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <200807141210.48579.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb hollunder at gmx.at:
> By whole band I mean a rather 'traditional' band setup with like,
> drums, bass, singer/s, 1-2 guitars, maybe keys.
> I would guess that 16 channels is plenty for that, except maybe
> when one wants to mic every single drum separately.
> His estimation was 16 channels minimum, it doesn't hurt if it's more.

You should go for 24+ channels. A whole drumset is at least 8 channels, if the 
keyboarder isn't recording the midi, there will be additional 2-6 channels 
for keys. And recording the electric guitars clean and through amp/effects 
doesn't hurt either. For acoustic guitars it is good to use at least two mics 
at different distances (provided that they play in their own acoustic booth, 
otherwise you are pretty much fixed on the plugin-signal). And then you said 
something about singers...

The good thing about such a setup (for example with an rme-pci-card and three 
adat-interfaces, or several ffado-supported firewire interfaces) is that you 
get about the same number of outputs. So you can create a lot monitor-mixes 
for the musicians headphones.

Have fun,

Arnold
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From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com  Mon Jul 14 06:36:30 2008
From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:36:30 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Changing BPM in Jack Audio Connection Kit 0.2.22
In-Reply-To: <20080714115930.y22g2cgh6okcok4o@www.musikhuset.org>
References: <1215993875.14780.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20080714115930.y22g2cgh6okcok4o@www.musikhuset.org>
Message-ID: <472dd1a20807140336q540a360ag2a7071f4edd778bc@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM,  <peder at musikhuset.org> wrote:
> So either you change tempo in Ardour by rightclick on the Tempo line,
> choose Edit and set it to 160 or you disable Ardour as time master
> (button below the sync setting, right of the secondary "beat" clock)
> and make sure Rosegarden is set as master.

Only the first of these will work in practice, as Rosegarden does not
support JACK tempo master (nor, indeed, slave).


Chris


From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com  Mon Jul 14 06:50:35 2008
From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:50:35 +0100
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472dd1a20807140350n2dde8f69ocd3428b70e74e95a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Cory K. <coryisatm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, I'm unsure what extension to use for Vorbis audio because .ogg
> is legacy and .oga should be used now. [...]
>
> http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions

Hang on -- that page recommends using .ogg for Vorbis.  Doesn't it?

It says "Vorbis and Speex may use .oga, but it is not the preferred
method of distributing these files because of backwards-compatibility
issues".  I'm probably missing something, but I don't see anything in
the references you gave to suggest you should prefer to use .oga when
writing Ogg Vorbis files...?

(For what it's worth, I'd never heard of .oga myself until now.  Just
tried out Sonic Visualiser loading .oga-suffixed ogg/vorbis files and
it works fine, but they won't show up in the file selector because it
only has .ogg in the filter pattern.)


Chris


From anders at dahnielson.com  Mon Jul 14 08:46:57 2008
From: anders at dahnielson.com (Anders Dahnielson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:46:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:28, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:

> I just received my OpenMoko FreeRunner phone and have been poking around in
> it, trying to learn my way around it.
>
> I found this interesting:
>
>        root at om-gta02:~# cat /proc/version
>        Linux version 2.6.24 (build at barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT
> Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008
>
> Hmm... the FreeRunner ships with an Ingo patched RT kernel?


Nope. It would otherwise say "PREEMPT RT" like this:

Linux monolith 2.6.24.7-rt8 #2 SMP PREEMPT RT

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From sstubbs at shout.net  Mon Jul 14 08:57:41 2008
From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:57:41 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Changing BPM in Jack Audio Connection Kit 0.2.22
In-Reply-To: <472dd1a20807140336q540a360ag2a7071f4edd778bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1215993875.14780.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20080714115930.y22g2cgh6okcok4o@www.musikhuset.org>
	<472dd1a20807140336q540a360ag2a7071f4edd778bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1216040261.3670.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks Peder, Chris,

This is my first time to use Ardour, and I mistakenly thought that the
Time Master button (lit green) was referring to which source to use as
transport control in the button above Time Master.  The values of that
button are Internal, MTC, and Jack.

Chris,  on Rosegarden's Configure Rosegarden-Sequencer-MIDI Time Code
Mode, should I set this to MTC Slave?  Would that allow the BPM to be
controlled by Ardour?

Or should I be setting the MIDI Clock and System Messages to Accept
Start, Stop, and Contnue to have BPM control by Ardour?

I like using Jack Transport to control Rosegarden and Ardour, so on
Rosegarden I have Jack Transport Mode set to Sync.

Thank you,
Stephen.


On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:36 +0100, Chris Cannam wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM,  <peder at musikhuset.org> wrote:
> > So either you change tempo in Ardour by rightclick on the Tempo line,
> > choose Edit and set it to 160 or you disable Ardour as time master
> > (button below the sync setting, right of the secondary "beat" clock)
> > and make sure Rosegarden is set as master.
> 
> Only the first of these will work in practice, as Rosegarden does not
> support JACK tempo master (nor, indeed, slave).
> 
> 
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
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From peder at musikhuset.org  Mon Jul 14 09:21:42 2008
From: peder at musikhuset.org (peder at musikhuset.org)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:21:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Changing BPM in Jack Audio Connection Kit 0.2.22
In-Reply-To: <1216040261.3670.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1215993875.14780.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20080714115930.y22g2cgh6okcok4o@www.musikhuset.org>
	<472dd1a20807140336q540a360ag2a7071f4edd778bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1216040261.3670.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20080714152142.jwka31zhss40wskk@www.musikhuset.org>

Quoting The Other <sstubbs at shout.net>:

> Chris,  on Rosegarden's Configure Rosegarden-Sequencer-MIDI Time Code
> Mode, should I set this to MTC Slave?  Would that allow the BPM to be
> controlled by Ardour?
>
> Or should I be setting the MIDI Clock and System Messages to Accept
> Start, Stop, and Contnue to have BPM control by Ardour?

Jack control and MTC are two different things with no (direct anyways)  
connections to each other.
To enable Jack transport in Rosegarden you go to Settings->Configure  
Rosegarden on the General page, under Behaviour (as per  
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/supplemental/hydrogen , see  
also http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/transport-external.html)

 From Chris' answer, I'm not sure wheather Rosegarden honours Ardours  
tempo or not; you might have to set them both to the same tempo  
manually and just use jack transport to start and stop everything. But  
you can always try setting different tempos in Ardour (with it as time  
master) and see if Rosegarden plays along.

- Peder


From schivmeister at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 09:43:37 2008
From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:43:37 +0800
Subject: [LAU] e-piano
In-Reply-To: <20080714110705.1a30f094@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com> <48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>
	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com> <48639853.6020609@web.de>
	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com> <48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com> <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
	<487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714110705.1a30f094@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <291cdeab0807140643s5a7c7855i8b1593449f27d818@mail.gmail.com>

Yamaha does wonders in this area..DGX620. Weighted 88 keys, fun to play; a
piano with effects but uhh..not a piano. On the higher side of the dollar
scale is the P series, though the P-140 is quite a jump from P70 which may
be around the cost of the DGX..arghhh I can't remember really. What I can
remember is that P-140's sound is superb, I mean you can actually play and
tell that what you're playing on is something of quality - like you know
it's good wine, the real deal, the shiat. Look - I am no pianist. If I could
tell the difference, it really means something.

So looking at Yamaha's offerings, I'd pick the DGX because it's the most
versatile of the lot (well, weighted is about the only feature of a piano it
has). You get quality from the Ps, but not the functions of a keyboard
(dunno about the 70 but 140 does have MIDI out). Well, good luck.
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From schivmeister at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 09:50:11 2008
From: schivmeister at gmail.com (Ray Rashif)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:50:11 +0800
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
	<ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <291cdeab0807140650h1e1eee6ft5f012a0bcffbcd17@mail.gmail.com>

Well, it _is_ embedded platform - which means it _needs_ preemption. It's
got nothing to do with audio signals, 100% about data latency. Maybe you
could make it sequence and synthesize lighter samples and instruments, but
looking at the spec sheet I don't think we can expect that much.
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From cannam at all-day-breakfast.com  Mon Jul 14 09:51:26 2008
From: cannam at all-day-breakfast.com (Chris Cannam)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:51:26 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Changing BPM in Jack Audio Connection Kit 0.2.22
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References: <1215993875.14780.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<20080714115930.y22g2cgh6okcok4o@www.musikhuset.org>
	<472dd1a20807140336q540a360ag2a7071f4edd778bc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:21 PM,  <peder at musikhuset.org> wrote:
> From Chris' answer, I'm not sure wheather Rosegarden honours Ardours
> tempo or not; you might have to set them both to the same tempo
> manually and just use jack transport to start and stop everything.

That's correct, unfortunately.  There is no way to make Rosegarden
track tempo changes from any external source at all at the moment, and
no way to make it send its own tempo changes to any external
destination.


Chris


From julien at c-lab.de  Mon Jul 14 10:10:40 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:10:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Eval JACK trouble
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>

Hello!
   I just downloaded jack from svn and I get the following problem:
mplayer *.wav (all is well)
jack_lsp -c shows mplayers' ports being connected to system_playback_* ports.
linuxsampler
(load some instrument and setup audio engine channels)
jack_lsp shows:
LinuxSampler:0
LinuxSampler:1
jack_connect LinuxSampler:0 system:playback_1
engine sample rate: 48000
cannot connect ports
   Jack server says:
destination port in attempted connection of system:playback_1 and 
LinuxSampler:0
  is not an input port

   What is going on here. Jack says it's Version 0.112.0.
   Can anybody enlighten me/help me here?
   Kindest regards
         Julien

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From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul 14 10:23:00 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:23:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807140827.32373.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807140827.32373.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807140723k22627097vd1de78ba7ce146de@mail.gmail.com>

>> also don't forget to add this to /etc/security/limits.conf :
>>
>> @audio - rtprio 78
>> @audio - memlock 400000
>> @audio - nice -10
>
> These are already there:
> # audio facilities:
> @audio          -       rtprio          95
> @audio          -       memlock         512000
> @audio          -       nice            -19
>
> better or worse?

that depends.
your file allows the audio group to set/get an rt-prio of up to 95,
which may not be required.
if you have about 2GB of RAM or more, you might want to increase memlock


From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Mon Jul 14 12:21:24 2008
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:21:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	(hollunder@gmx.at's message of "Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:30:50 +0200")
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <878ww4zbaz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

<hollunder at gmx.at> writes:

> a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer 

That's the old school way of doing it. Now you should digitize
immediately. Get a proper sound card with enough inputs and then use a
MIDI controller as your mixer.

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From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul 14 11:44:13 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:44:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <472dd1a20807140350n2dde8f69ocd3428b70e74e95a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
	<472dd1a20807140350n2dde8f69ocd3428b70e74e95a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807140844n4abb09f8k2082602ae0a7953@mail.gmail.com>

I'll stick to .ogg. unless the crowd convinces me ;-)

For non-vorbis encoded files, I found it
usefull to add a second extension:

nicehomevideo.theora.ogg
would give you the hint, that it's a theora video inside an ogg container


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Mon Jul 14 12:05:56 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:05:56 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807131358g24c7212md98a7e3dfd154d51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807131343w6210e78bs58552775b29a3243@mail.gmail.com>
	<5eb95dc90807131358g24c7212md98a7e3dfd154d51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807141905.59535.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Sunday 13 July 2008 23:58:19 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> things to do additionally
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
>
>
> enable realtime clock
> ----------------------
>
> for the realtime clock to work, you've got to load these modules:
>   modprobe rtc_core
>   modprobe rtc_cmos
>
> you should then have a device
>   /dev/rtc0

I have /dev/rtc from previous

>
> then change the max-user-frequency of rtc (default is only 64):
>   echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq

I have this set to 1024 (kernel hz?) in /etc/sysctl.conf.

> test:
>   cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
>
>
> and maybe of hpet as well (?)
>   echo 2048 > /proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq
> (Is hpet emulated by rtc ?)
There are hpet source files in the kernel sources and among them an 
hpet/emulate.rtc.h. No particular hpet.ko was built, however.

There is a /usr/src/linux-2.6.25.8/Documentation/hpet.txt which says that this 
is a REPLACEMENT for the rtc stuff and the first two of its 32  timers will 
stand in for the rtc. So it would seem one or the other.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
>
>
>
> set realtime priorities
> -----------------------
>
> install scheduling tools (/usr/bin/chrt)
>   apt-get install schedutils
This one threatened to remove some stuff
> or
>   apt-get install schedtool
This one was clean.
>
>
> install,setup and run the rtirq script by Rui Nuno Capela
> download:
>   wget http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20071012.tar.gz
Got it, copied the files to places and my startup stuff to run it.

So will give everything a try out. The kernel runs fine. Debian's nvidia built 
and works OK. One caveat is that hal kicks out all the dma and 32-bit disk 
accesses but they can be immediately set back so I put that in my startup 
stuff as well.


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Mon Jul 14 12:38:05 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:38:05 -0400
Subject: [LAU] AVSynthesis videos on-line
In-Reply-To: <4875167B.8080101@andrei.myip.org>
References: <48721609.4080503@woh.rr.com>
	<48740522.6000902@andrei.myip.org>	<4874C904.1000507@woh.rr.com>
	<4875167B.8080101@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <487B80ED.8060409@woh.rr.com>

Florin Andrei wrote:
> Dave Phillips wrote:
>   
>> Thanks again, Florin. Have you considered writing a HOWTO or a dedicated 
>> Web site for this information ? It's obvious you know it very well, and 
>> it would be great to have a 1-stop web site for it.
>>     
>
> This is standard knowledge in the field of video processing. Anyone who 
> has spent some time with cameras and NLEs and stuff like that will tell 
> you the same things.
>   
I'm learning as I go. I've been following and studying the links you've 
posted, I'm getting a better idea of the work involved and its 
terminology (a non-trivial matter to one without that standard knowledge).

re: Vimeo
>> ... the Vimeo site converts my videos, but I don't know to what format. 
>> Given what you've seen and understand of the site, what would be my 
>> best-choice options for rendering the AVSynthesis images to video ?
>>     
>
> There's no simple answer.
> You have to come up with a procedure to generate the video file that 
> will be uploaded. They have a few recommendations...
>
> http://www.vimeo.com/help/compression
>
> ...which essentially boil down to "H.264 with AAC at 30 or 25 fps", but 
> then turn around and say they convert everything to 24. I guess some 
> experiments are required.
>   
I've been experimenting, but I think I have some other issues to resolve 
first.


> Eugenia Loli-Queru has several HOWTOs regarding the different formats 
> recommended for Vimeo...
>
> http://www.vimeo.com/forums/topic:3671
>
> ...but those are geared towards people using typical NLEs and stuff like 
> that. Even so, it's a bit of a hit-and-miss - her Vegas HOWTO didn't 
> work for me very well with material from an AVCHD camera, it created 
> choppy video. I didn't try yet other methods.
>   
I followed her advice for using mencoder. The results were okay, but I 
noticed that the video pixellated rather obviously during fades, it 
seemed similar to the quantization effect when a low-grade reverb fades out.

> There's a bunch of interconnected decisions that need to be made, going 
> back to the AVS parameters, and that's why I'm saying I'd like to try 
> this software myself before blurting out random advice that may not be 
> so helpful after all.
>   
Understood, though your advice has been and is most welcome here. I'm in 
terra incognita where video is concerned, but suddenly I'm there and I'm 
still getting my bearings.


>   
>> Just to clarify: AVS does no rendering to video at all, it simply 
>> creates the image sequence. I have control over the recorder frame rate 
>> and the image width & height, that's all that's available to me in AVS 
>> itself.
>>     
>
> Yup, that should be enough. The collection of images just needs to be 
> fed into the processing chain, and then all kinds of things can happen: 
> cropping, resizing, interlacing, changing the frame rate, etc. Once 
> you're in the uncompressed domain, almost anything is doable.
>   
I should add that I also have control over the audio sampling rate.

I've configured AVS's output for 25 fps at 640x480, I'll try 720x480 
today. I've looked a bit further into the letterbox problem. The images 
themselves are TARGA-format images that include the black bands. I've 
looked at the code for the image creation but there's no indication that 
the process takes any options to eliminate the letterboxing. I could be 
wrong about that, I'm not a Java programmer. :(  Meanwhile I'll see what 
I can do to crop the TGA images.

I'll report back after more experimentation.

Best,

dp






From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul 14 13:20:41 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:20:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807141905.59535.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
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2008/7/14 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
>> you should then have a device
>>   /dev/rtc0
>
> I have /dev/rtc from previous
>
that's the old interface
it's incompatible, deactivate it. look at my config!
  ( zcat config.gz | grep -i rtc )
see src/Documentation/rtc.txt for more info

# CONFIG_RTC is not set
# CONFIG_GEN_RTC is not set
# CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set


>>
>> then change the max-user-frequency of rtc (default is only 64):
>>   echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
>
> I have this set to 1024 (kernel hz?) in /etc/sysctl.conf.
>
1024 is ok too.
for the new interface however, there doesn't seem to be a sysctl
option anymore/yet and one has to set it manually.


> One caveat is that hal kicks out all the dma and 32-bit disk
> accesses but they can be immediately set back so I put that in my startup
> stuff as well.
>
how do you set it up?
can/should that be done with any drive?
any conditions?


From ken at restivo.org  Mon Jul 14 15:25:12 2008
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:25:12 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
	<ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080714192512.GD7738@restivo.org>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 02:46:57PM +0200, Anders Dahnielson wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:28, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:
> 
> > I just received my OpenMoko FreeRunner phone and have been poking around in
> > it, trying to learn my way around it.
> >
> > I found this interesting:
> >
> >        root at om-gta02:~# cat /proc/version
> >        Linux version 2.6.24 (build at barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT
> > Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008
> >
> > Hmm... the FreeRunner ships with an Ingo patched RT kernel?
> 
> 
> Nope. It would otherwise say "PREEMPT RT" like this:
> 
> Linux monolith 2.6.24.7-rt8 #2 SMP PREEMPT RT
> 


Really? I've been running a home-made Ingo patched RT kernel on my laptop for over a year now, and I get this:

	[ken at asus ~]$ cat /proc/version 
	Linux version 2.6.21-rt1-1 (root at asus) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3 00:41:41 PDT 2007


No "RT" there, but I definitely know it is an RT kernel, because I patched it myself.

But, this whole thing is merely a curiosity anyway, since the FreeRunner doesn't have enough CPU to do much audio stuff. In fact PulseAudio is so slow on this phone that the audio hiccups when just playing an OGG file using ogg123, if the terminal application is open and updating with ogg123's stderr output. I'm told this is to do with the ARM's lack of support for atomic operations, which PulseAudio requires, and the use of interrupt masking and spinlocks as a hack around that.

-ken


From seablaede at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 15:52:31 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:52:31 -0600
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <20080714192512.GD7738@restivo.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
	<ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080714192512.GD7738@restivo.org>
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:

> ... In fact PulseAudio is so slow on this phone that the audio hiccups when
> just playing an OGG file using ogg123, if the terminal application is open
> and updating with ogg123's stderr output. I'm told this is to do with the
> ARM's lack of support for atomic operations, which PulseAudio requires, and
> the use of interrupt masking and spinlocks as a hack around that....
>

Hmm does ogg123 use the tremor libraries to play oggs?  I know on the
n700/n8*0 we actually have to use the tremor libs to avoid floating point
operations, which the standard ogg libraries do.  If it doesn't I might say
that would be a fairly good chunk of your performance problems there.

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From d_baron at 012.net.il  Mon Jul 14 16:07:50 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:07:50 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807141020x4f253f60kdd0badd4f01772ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
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On Monday 14 July 2008 20:20:41 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/14 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> >> you should then have a device
> >>   /dev/rtc0
> >
> > I have /dev/rtc from previous
>
> that's the old interface
> it's incompatible, deactivate it. look at my config!
>   ( zcat config.gz | grep -i rtc )
> see src/Documentation/rtc.txt for more info
>
> # CONFIG_RTC is not set
> # CONFIG_GEN_RTC is not set
> # CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set
It is not compatible with what?
Here is ~$ lsmod | grep rtc
snd_rtctimer            3616  0
rtc_cmos               10848  0
rtc_core               19632  1 rtc_cmos
rtc_lib                 3200  1 rtc_core
rtc                    14620  1 snd_rtctimer

The "old" rtc is used by snd_rtctimer so that needs also to be replaced if 
CONFIG_RTC will not be used. You may want the HPET in place of all of this?


>
> >> then change the max-user-frequency of rtc (default is only 64):
> >>   echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
> >
> > I have this set to 1024 (kernel hz?) in /etc/sysctl.conf.
>
> 1024 is ok too.
> for the new interface however, there doesn't seem to be a sysctl
> option anymore/yet and one has to set it manually.

Most everything seems to do sysctl. One can set it manually to see how it 
works out. If it is OK, it gets put in the sysctl so one need not manually set 
it again.

> > One caveat is that hal kicks out all the dma and 32-bit disk
> > accesses but they can be immediately set back so I put that in my startup
> > stuff as well.
>
> how do you set it up?
hdparm
> can/should that be done with any drive?
That gets done up front, hal bawks for some reason when starting. So for now, 
I hdparm again.
> any conditions?
I do not know why.


From eric at zhevny.com  Mon Jul 14 17:48:11 2008
From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:48:11 -0500
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807140844n4abb09f8k2082602ae0a7953@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487A80BF.3060009@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 05:44:13PM +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> I'll stick to .ogg. unless the crowd convinces me ;-)
> 
> For non-vorbis encoded files, I found it
> usefull to add a second extension:
> 
> nicehomevideo.theora.ogg
> would give you the hint, that it's a theora video inside an ogg container

This is the approach I personally prefer. But, then, I've never cared
about anyone other than humans getting information out of the file name.

-Eric Rz.

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From eric at zhevny.com  Mon Jul 14 17:55:34 2008
From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:55:34 -0500
Subject: [LAU] e-piano
In-Reply-To: <291cdeab0807140643s5a7c7855i8b1593449f27d818@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>
	<48639853.6020609@web.de> <48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714110705.1a30f094@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<291cdeab0807140643s5a7c7855i8b1593449f27d818@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080714215534.GC8227@zhevny.com>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:43:37PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
>    Yamaha does wonders in this area..DGX620. Weighted 88 keys, fun to play; a
>    piano with effects but uhh..not a piano. On the higher side of the dollar
>    scale is the P series, though the P-140 is quite a jump from P70 which may
>    be around the cost of the DGX..arghhh I can't remember really. What I can
>    remember is that P-140's sound is superb, I mean you can actually play and
>    tell that what you're playing on is something of quality - like you know
>    it's good wine, the real deal, the shiat. Look - I am no pianist. If I
>    could tell the difference, it really means something.
> 
>    So looking at Yamaha's offerings, I'd pick the DGX because it's the most
>    versatile of the lot (well, weighted is about the only feature of a piano
>    it has). You get quality from the Ps, but not the functions of a keyboard
>    (dunno about the 70 but 140 does have MIDI out). Well, good luck.

I've long wanted to get a yamaha cp300. Of all those I've played it
feels really, really good to me and sounds great. But, it was more than
I wanted to spend so I settled for the casio px-310 (now replaced by
px-320). The casio feels pretty good for the price compared to other
stuff in that price range. The sound is also pretty good. But, having
played and heard something better (the cp300) I'm always a little
disappointed when I sit down in front of it.

-Eric Rz.

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From mista.tapas at gmx.net  Mon Jul 14 18:12:15 2008
From: mista.tapas at gmx.net (Florian Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:12:15 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <20080714192512.GD7738@restivo.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
	<ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080714192512.GD7738@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <200807150012.16542.mista.tapas@gmx.net>

Hi Ken,

On Monday 14 July 2008, Ken Restivo wrote:
> 	Linux version 2.6.21-rt1-1 (root at asus) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115
                             ^^^^^The version string shows it though :)

> (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3 00:41:41 PDT 2007
>
>
> No "RT" there, but I definitely know it is an RT kernel, because I patched
> it myself.

Regards, 
Flo

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From rncbc at rncbc.org  Mon Jul 14 18:48:18 2008
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:48:18 +0100
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <200807150012.16542.mista.tapas@gmx.net>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>	<ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>	<20080714192512.GD7738@restivo.org>
	<200807150012.16542.mista.tapas@gmx.net>
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Florian Schmidt wrote:
> Hi Ken,
> 
> On Monday 14 July 2008, Ken Restivo wrote:
>> 	Linux version 2.6.21-rt1-1 (root at asus) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115
>                              ^^^^^The version string shows it though :)
> 
>> (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3 00:41:41 PDT 2007
>>
>>
>> No "RT" there, but I definitely know it is an RT kernel, because I patched
>> it myself.
> 

i'm afraid you're betting on the wrong horse :)

you could have patched it alright (no doubt about that) and also set 
EXTRAVERSION with the "-rt1-1" suffix, but, unless you've set 
CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y you're not running a full-preeept RT kernel, that's 
for sure.

afaict, when one talks about a RT linux kernel, he/she's meaning that 
CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y and then, trust me, the "RT" will appear in the 
`uname -a` line output.

byee
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From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Mon Jul 14 19:06:28 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:06:28 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <df41a9e40807141606t722e36d3k65f4e8452365eb1b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:
> I just received my OpenMoko FreeRunner phone and have been poking around in it, trying to learn my way around it.

Tell us how you like the phone as a phone. What service are you running?


From zettberlin at linuxuse.de  Mon Jul 14 19:43:47 2008
From: zettberlin at linuxuse.de (Hartmut Noack)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:43:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack 109 segfaults in ubuntu 7.10
In-Reply-To: <487A7D32.6090103@joow.be>
References: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de> <4877DB0D.4000501@joow.be>
	<4877E518.9080402@linuxuse.de> <48787781.3050306@joow.be>
	<48789B3D.5060905@linuxuse.de> <4878A7F3.1030404@joow.be>
	<48791DAF.7040307@linuxuse.de> <4879DCFB.4070000@joow.be>
	<4879FE3C.9000600@linuxuse.de> <487A7D32.6090103@joow.be>
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Pieter Palmers schrieb:

> You have an o2micro host controller:
>
> 04:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: O2 Micro, Inc. Firewire (IEEE 1394)
> [1217:00f7] (rev 02) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
>
> those are not the best ever.

Thanks for that tipp - the could explain, why the box runs much better
with my workstation...


> To reliably use ffado with this controller you have to use patched 1394
> kernel modules, you can find them here:
> http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/TxSkipPatched
>
> The 2.6.22-15-rt file should be good for your setup (2.6.22-14-rt).

I gave it the treat, no errors occured...


> After compilation you either replace the kernel modules manually, or you
> copy them over to the correct place to have them auto-loaded
> (/lib/modules/2.6.22-15-rt/kernel/drivers/ieee1394 in your case)


Thats what I did, copied everything in the build-dir to that place in
/lib/modules (I upgraded to 2.6.22-15-rt beforehand).



jackd started promising:

 jackd --verbose -R -dfirewire -r44100 -p512 -n3 -v6 2> ffado-jack3.log

And seemed to run OK

but: alas:
qjackctl did not show any ports and crashed together with jackd 10
seconds after I started it

after I started jackd/ffado again, I tried ardour with some more success.

Ardour started and loaded a project, showed the ports of the firebox and
I could connect and play.

For about 3 minutes, then I witched to another virtual desktop (in
fluxbox) and ardour, jackd and ffado died immediately.

ffado-jack3.log and a new ffado-diagnosis-file
are NOT attached for they are to big you can find them here:

http://lapoc.de/archiv/ffado-jack3.log.tar.gz
http://lapoc.de/archiv/ffado-diag2.log.tar.gz


so there is some progress, but I am not there yet.
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From marco at marcochapeau.org  Tue Jul 15 02:31:49 2008
From: marco at marcochapeau.org (MarcOChapeau)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:31:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <a9e6807f53c2869401fb140bd7a233a0@localhost>

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:28:04 -0700, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:
> I just received my OpenMoko FreeRunner phone and have been poking around
in
> it, trying to learn my way around it.
> 
> I found this interesting:
> 
> 	root at om-gta02:~# cat /proc/version
> 	Linux version 2.6.24 (build at barbie) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Thu
> Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008
> 
> Hmm... the FreeRunner ships with an Ingo patched RT kernel?
> 
> It's tempting to try to port JACK and maybe FluidSynth to it and see what
> happens.

Hi,

Welcome on board ;-)

The kernel is a normal preempt. As others have stated you need "PREEMPT RT"
to appear. Just so you know, I had tested building a JACK ipk and managed
to install it on an emulated phone a while back. I know some changed where
made by Paul to JACK's autotools stuff WRT code optimization for this
purpose.

Jack did run although I haven't been testing it deeply... I doubt the beast
is powerful enough to run fluidsynth.

Now, if you or others are interested, join #openmoko-devel on freenode.
we're working on a "Stable Hybrid Realease" here. It's good fun, and I'm
guessing that even if JACK is not what is used by the phone, all audio
hands are welcome. I got myself on the migration of the dialer to the new
dbus interface...

Cheers !

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From orl at ammd.net  Tue Jul 15 03:08:05 2008
From: orl at ammd.net (Aurelien)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:08:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ARDOUR] Way of sorting tracks in Mixer and Tracks Views
Message-ID: <20080715070805.GB2388@sebkhachott.net>

Hello,

I'm currently working on a huge project[1] with about 150 tracks at the end
(recorded by bunches of 24).
[1] for me, at least!

I've created a model with those 150 tracks, but the fact is that some
instruments (10-15 max) don't play on some tunes, and I prefer to delete
the related tracks so that it is more readable.
Please note that there are 24 Tracks "active" and a bit more "viewable",
and the same 24 tracks are viewable in Mixer View, on which there also
is busses (6).

As I delete a track (in the Tracks View), the sorting of the tracks
totally change in both of the view, and I can't figure out how it
changes. I didin't find any logics behind this, even if I suppose it is
the case.
Worse: when I sort the tracks manually in order in the tracks view, it
doesn't put them in the same order on the mixer, as the busses are
viewable from the mixer but not from the Track View. And I finally
cannot get an ordered sort in one and the other.

Could someone give me a trick about it?

I use ardour 2.4.1 on a Debian Lenny/64 Studio (ardour comes from
64studio).

Thank you.

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From seablaede at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 03:35:49 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:35:49 -0600
Subject: [LAU] e-piano
In-Reply-To: <20080714215534.GC8227@zhevny.com>
References: <48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48639853.6020609@web.de>
	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com> <48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com> <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
	<487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714110705.1a30f094@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
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Hmm trying to find the start of the thread and can't so I will go off what I
have.

When starting to learn Piano some time ago I ended up buying a M-Audio
Prokeys 88 when it first came out.  I personally think it was a great buy,
and they now have the SX series which is even less money.  The keys are
hammer weighted and feel very good to me, though I am not really all that
much of a pianist myself. It has some decent sounds on board, and basic
effects(Reverb, Chorus, etc.) with midi input and output.  Only catch is no
onboard amp, but that isn't really a problem for me as I run it through my
monitors anyways.  At any rate, I would suggest giving it a try if you only
have so much to spend.

        Seablade

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <eric at zhevny.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:43:37PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote:
> >    Yamaha does wonders in this area..DGX620. Weighted 88 keys, fun to
> play; a
> >    piano with effects but uhh..not a piano. On the higher side of the
> dollar
> >    scale is the P series, though the P-140 is quite a jump from P70 which
> may
> >    be around the cost of the DGX..arghhh I can't remember really. What I
> can
> >    remember is that P-140's sound is superb, I mean you can actually play
> and
> >    tell that what you're playing on is something of quality - like you
> know
> >    it's good wine, the real deal, the shiat. Look - I am no pianist. If I
> >    could tell the difference, it really means something.
> >
> >    So looking at Yamaha's offerings, I'd pick the DGX because it's the
> most
> >    versatile of the lot (well, weighted is about the only feature of a
> piano
> >    it has). You get quality from the Ps, but not the functions of a
> keyboard
> >    (dunno about the 70 but 140 does have MIDI out). Well, good luck.
>
> I've long wanted to get a yamaha cp300. Of all those I've played it
> feels really, really good to me and sounds great. But, it was more than
> I wanted to spend so I settled for the casio px-310 (now replaced by
> px-320). The casio feels pretty good for the price compared to other
> stuff in that price range. The sound is also pretty good. But, having
> played and heard something better (the cp300) I'm always a little
> disappointed when I sit down in front of it.
>
> -Eric Rz.
>
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From hollunder at gmx.at  Tue Jul 15 03:51:04 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:51:04 +0200
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807140500j245fcb46o39fb90703a5d50b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131606o27acd4b7rbdfdd07f68755f4c@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20080715095104.37bb6599@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

> >> I think our 17" and 19" Samsungs both do 1280x1024. Certainly you
> >> might have one that only does 1024x768 but that seems like it
> >> would be an older piece of hardware.
> >>
> >> If you can supply and exact make and model number then we can
> >> probably search it out over the net.
> >>
> >> How did you decide it won't do anything larger?
> >>
> >> - Mark
> >
> > Thanks Mark, and also David.
> > The monitor is a fujitsu siemens LCD, model: C384FA-M Rev.01
> > So far I found only either fujitsu or siemens nixdorf.
> >
> > My old CRT was probably my first monitor ever, so it's pretty old
> > and had some problems sometimes. A friend offered me his old LCD.
> > The screen size is the same, 15", but it's a lot lighter and takes a
> > lot less space on my desk. I had my old monitor set to 1280x1024 or
> > 1152xsomething sometimes, which was quite o.k., but I don't manage
> > to get something like that out of the LCD.
> > If it's a hardware-limitation, it's fine by me, someday I'll get
> > myself a bigger and better one anyway.
> >
> > Thanks for help,
> >        Philipp
> >

> I suspect it's 1024 max. It's not listed on the Fujitsu-Seimens web
> site any more. That makes it pretty old.
> 
> It's probably working correctly.
> 
> - Mark

Thanks, then I'll just keep it at that.
Already missing the x-rays  8-)

Best Regards,
	Philipp


From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Jul 15 04:05:54 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:05:54 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <20080714112528.64b06132@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>	<487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>
	<20080714112528.64b06132@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <487C5A62.10507@hawaii.rr.com>

hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:49:36 -1000
> david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
>>
>>> a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer that is at least
>>> capable of recording a whole band simultaneously.
>>> He thinks that 16 channels might be a minimum for that, but he isn't
>>> exactly experienced, and me neither.
>> What's a "whole band"? My church band has two electric guitars, one 
>> acoustic guitar, one violin, one keyboard; 8 singers; two wireless
>> mics used by the priests ... we use a 16-channel Firewire device and 
>> sometimes find ourselves wishing we had more channels ...
>>
> 
> By whole band I mean a rather 'traditional' band setup with like,
> drums, bass, singer/s, 1-2 guitars, maybe keys.
> I would guess that 16 channels is plenty for that, except maybe
> when one wants to mic every single drum separately.
> His estimation was 16 channels minimum, it doesn't hurt if it's more.

Oh, I forgot one more device - the computer driving the projection 
screen. We also use it to play videos, so its audio output also goes 
into the mixer. But I think it doesn't go into the Firewire box - at 
least, we never record it.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From pieterp at joow.be  Tue Jul 15 04:45:46 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:45:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] jack 109 segfaults in ubuntu 7.10
In-Reply-To: <487BA07B.40201@linuxuse.de>
References: <4877D591.3060900@linuxuse.de> <4877DB0D.4000501@joow.be>
	<4877E518.9080402@linuxuse.de> <48787781.3050306@joow.be>
	<48789B3D.5060905@linuxuse.de> <4878A7F3.1030404@joow.be>
	<48791DAF.7040307@linuxuse.de> <4879DCFB.4070000@joow.be>
	<4879FE3C.9000600@linuxuse.de> <487A7D32.6090103@joow.be>
	<487BA07B.40201@linuxuse.de>
Message-ID: <487C63BA.9000608@joow.be>

Hartmut Noack wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Pieter Palmers schrieb:
> 
>> You have an o2micro host controller:
>>
>> 04:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: O2 Micro, Inc. Firewire (IEEE 1394)
>> [1217:00f7] (rev 02) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
>>
>> those are not the best ever.
> 
> Thanks for that tipp - the could explain, why the box runs much better
> with my workstation...
> 
> 
>> To reliably use ffado with this controller you have to use patched 1394
>> kernel modules, you can find them here:
>> http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/TxSkipPatched
>>
>> The 2.6.22-15-rt file should be good for your setup (2.6.22-14-rt).
> 
> I gave it the treat, no errors occured...
> 
> 
>> After compilation you either replace the kernel modules manually, or you
>> copy them over to the correct place to have them auto-loaded
>> (/lib/modules/2.6.22-15-rt/kernel/drivers/ieee1394 in your case)
> 
> 
> Thats what I did, copied everything in the build-dir to that place in
> /lib/modules (I upgraded to 2.6.22-15-rt beforehand).

Did you reboot or manually reload the 1394 drivers? The log you give 
seems to indicate that the old drivers are still used.

Also, you seem to be using the SVN trunk version. I would suggest that 
you use the branches/libffado-2.0 version as that is the one where all 
bugfixes are being done. A lot of them have not yet been merged into trunk.

Greets,

Pieter


From ken at restivo.org  Tue Jul 15 07:42:10 2008
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:42:10 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807141606t722e36d3k65f4e8452365eb1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
	<df41a9e40807141606t722e36d3k65f4e8452365eb1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080715114210.GA24789@restivo.org>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 04:06:28PM -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Ken Restivo <ken at restivo.org> wrote:
> > I just received my OpenMoko FreeRunner phone and have been poking around in it, trying to learn my way around it.
> 
> Tell us how you like the phone as a phone. What service are you running?

Off topic now, but sure.

As a phone, it's just barely useful. I'm using the cheap 7-11 pay-as-you-go AT&T plan, and I popped in my SIM and it just worked. So the hardware is all there, but the software is extremely skeletal.

However, as a development platform, it is cool and addicting and totally fun. It's very slick. The development environment and tools are excellent, and it's exciting to see development moving so very fast now. Porting is relatively straightforward, and there are all kinds of Python bindings and d-bus hooks, making it easy to write new apps.

If you want a phone, get an HTC or Ming. If you want a rewarding project, then defintely get an OpenMoko.

-ken


From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul 15 08:22:48 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:22:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Eval JACK trouble
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>
Message-ID: <200807151422.50281.brummer-@web.de>

Hi

same here, I found the last working jack_connect tool in revision 2284 ( 
0-111-5). This one work also with jackd 0.112.0. The related changes are :

-- jack-11.5/tools/connect.c	2008-05-17 17:50:04.000000000 +0200
+++ jack/tools/connect.c	2008-06-06 16:19:55.000000000 +0200
@@ -78,12 +130,12 @@
 
 	/* find the two ports */
 
-	if ((input_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[1])) == 0) {
-		fprintf (stderr, "ERROR %s not a valid port\n", argv[1]);
+	if ((input_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[argc-1])) == 0) {
+		fprintf (stderr, "ERROR %s not a valid port\n", argv[argc-1]);
 		return 1;
 		}
-	if ((output_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[2])) == 0) {
-		fprintf (stderr, "ERROR %s not a valid port\n", argv[2]);
+	if ((output_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[argc-2])) == 0) {
+		fprintf (stderr, "ERROR %s not a valid port\n", argv[argc-2]);
 		return 1;
 		}
I change this lines back to version  0-111-5 and jack_connect work. BUT THIS 
IS NO SOLUTION, BECAUSE JACK CRASHED SOMETIMES WITH THIS VERSION OF 
jack_connect.

hope it bring's a little light in this.
                                                             hermann


Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 16:10:40 schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hello!
>    I just downloaded jack from svn and I get the following problem:
> mplayer *.wav (all is well)
> jack_lsp -c shows mplayers' ports being connected to system_playback_*
> ports. linuxsampler
> (load some instrument and setup audio engine channels)
> jack_lsp shows:
> LinuxSampler:0
> LinuxSampler:1
> jack_connect LinuxSampler:0 system:playback_1
> engine sample rate: 48000
> cannot connect ports
>    Jack server says:
> destination port in attempted connection of system:playback_1 and
> LinuxSampler:0
>   is not an input port
>
>    What is going on here. Jack says it's Version 0.112.0.
>    Can anybody enlighten me/help me here?
>    Kindest regards
>          Julien
>


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Tue Jul 15 08:25:04 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:25:04 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [ARDOUR] Way of sorting tracks in Mixer and Tracks Views
In-Reply-To: <20080715070805.GB2388@sebkhachott.net>
References: <20080715070805.GB2388@sebkhachott.net>
Message-ID: <1216124704.13980.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 09:08 +0200, Aurelien wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm currently working on a huge project[1] with about 150 tracks at the end
> (recorded by bunches of 24).
> [1] for me, at least!
> 
> I've created a model with those 150 tracks, but the fact is that some
> instruments (10-15 max) don't play on some tunes, and I prefer to delete
> the related tracks so that it is more readable.
> Please note that there are 24 Tracks "active" and a bit more "viewable",
> and the same 24 tracks are viewable in Mixer View, on which there also
> is busses (6).
> 
> As I delete a track (in the Tracks View), the sorting of the tracks
> totally change in both of the view, and I can't figure out how it
> changes. I didin't find any logics behind this, even if I suppose it is
> the case.
> Worse: when I sort the tracks manually in order in the tracks view, it
> doesn't put them in the same order on the mixer, as the busses are
> viewable from the mixer but not from the Track View. And I finally
> cannot get an ordered sort in one and the other.
> 
> Could someone give me a trick about it?

its a bug. there's no good way around it, i am afraid. even in 2.5.

:(





From julien at c-lab.de  Tue Jul 15 09:02:24 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:02:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Eval JACK trouble
In-Reply-To: <200807151422.50281.brummer-@web.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>
	<200807151422.50281.brummer-@web.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151455220.27412@arima>

Hello Hermann!
   Thanks for the answer. I just wondered about the logic of it all. It goes 
like this:
first check first argument or one before last
   (which is OK for an input_port)
Then check second argument or two before last
   (Why two before last, should it be last, so the possible succession is:
jack_connect in_port out_port
or:
jack_connect [options] in_port out_port
   But that way the second form would be:
jack_connect [options] out_port in_port [one other option]
   I just wonder...
   Btw.: I think this is not good at all, at least when I see it as it is 
there. Because:
if (first two argv[]s no options)
   if in_port in argv[1]
   if out_port in argv[2]
else // first one is an option
   if in_port in argv[argc-1]
   if out_port in argv[argc]
// end else
   Kindest regards
         Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From christopher.wenn at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 09:13:36 2008
From: christopher.wenn at gmail.com (Chris Wenn)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:13:36 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <4870CDFB.20402@joow.be>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost> <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost> <486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>
	<1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost> <4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>
	<4870CDFB.20402@joow.be>
Message-ID: <1216127616.6850.11.camel@localhost>

Hi Pieter and anyone else following this discussion.

After some additional troubleshooting, I've discovered that either the
Expresscard or the Expresscard adapter in my M1210 is the culprit in
this problem. I hope it's the card, because at least I can throw that
out :)

I got desperate and tried out the whole setup in Windows (*sigh*), and
it didn't work there either.

Interestingly, the onboard Ricoh firewire works perfectly - it's total
failure to work at all in Linux was the start of this quest, so I'm a
bit bewildered.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for the help and goodwill.
Chris



From julien at c-lab.de  Tue Jul 15 09:45:33 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:45:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] Evil JACK trouble (FIXED, got a patch!)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151455220.27412@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>
	<200807151422.50281.brummer-@web.de>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151455220.27412@arima>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151544050.27412@arima>

Hi everyone!
   I fixed the connect.c from jack 0.112.0. It was mainly some confusing inputs 
with outputs and forgetting a return statement.
   Whom to send the file now?
   Kindest regards
         Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul 15 10:03:41 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:03:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Evil JACK trouble (FIXED, got a patch!)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151544050.27412@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151455220.27412@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151544050.27412@arima>
Message-ID: <200807151603.41810.brummer-@web.de>

Hi Julien

send it to me !! please
and the jack-devel list will be a good place to.
http://lists.jackaudio.org/listinfo.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org
or
http://www.nabble.com/Jack-Audio-f15500.html

regards     hermann

Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2008 15:45:33 schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hi everyone!
>    I fixed the connect.c from jack 0.112.0. It was mainly some confusing
> inputs with outputs and forgetting a return statement.
>    Whom to send the file now?
>    Kindest regards
>          Julien
>




From pieterp at joow.be  Tue Jul 15 10:51:32 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:51:32 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <1216127616.6850.11.camel@localhost>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost> <4863AEA7.4080702@joow.be>	
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>	
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost>
	<486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>	 <1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost>
	<4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>	 <4870CDFB.20402@joow.be>
	<1216127616.6850.11.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <487CB974.3060708@joow.be>

Chris Wenn wrote:
> Hi Pieter and anyone else following this discussion.
> 
> After some additional troubleshooting, I've discovered that either the
> Expresscard or the Expresscard adapter in my M1210 is the culprit in
> this problem. I hope it's the card, because at least I can throw that
> out :)
> 
> I got desperate and tried out the whole setup in Windows (*sigh*), and
> it didn't work there either.
DELL has some bios updates mentioning expresscard support improvements 
for some laptops, maybe that's the case for you too?

In any case, it should be possible to make it work on windows, or work 
with DELL to make it work. Usually they are less reluctant to help 
windows users than they are to help Linux users. They always seem to 
expect that crappy hardware is due to the Linux OS.

> 
> Interestingly, the onboard Ricoh firewire works perfectly - it's total
> failure to work at all in Linux was the start of this quest, so I'm a
> bit bewildered.

The Ricoh controller is a mistery to me too. I really can't figure out 
what the exact problem is. In the logs you provided I don't see it 
though. What version of the Ricoh chip do you have?

Greets,

Pieter


From hollunder at gmx.at  Tue Jul 15 10:58:25 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:58:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <487AC927.2010604@boosthardware.com>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AC927.2010604@boosthardware.com>
Message-ID: <20080715165825.29c8fbbf@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:33:59 +0700
Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey at boosthardware.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Midas is a great brand and at the high end of mixing consoles. They
> also run their latest products on a Linux system.
> 
> Mackie is good for the price.
> 
> Behringher is cheap but they have a lot of quirks and the sound
> quality is not very nice.
> 
> If you've got cash to spend and audio quality is your desire then you 
> can't go wrong with a Midas.

Thanks,

Midas looks a bit too expensive to me, especially since he'd need an
interface as well.

He told me that Behringer is out of question, exception may be a case
where a behringer product actually is good, which is said to be the
case for a few.

So, somewhere in between would be nice ;)

Best Regards,
	Philipp


From hollunder at gmx.at  Tue Jul 15 11:03:09 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:03:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <200807141210.48579.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>
	<20080714112528.64b06132@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<200807141210.48579.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
Message-ID: <20080715170309.5cfd4adf@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:10:40 +0200
Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:

> Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb hollunder at gmx.at:
> > By whole band I mean a rather 'traditional' band setup with like,
> > drums, bass, singer/s, 1-2 guitars, maybe keys.
> > I would guess that 16 channels is plenty for that, except maybe
> > when one wants to mic every single drum separately.
> > His estimation was 16 channels minimum, it doesn't hurt if it's
> > more.
> 
> You should go for 24+ channels. A whole drumset is at least 8
> channels, if the keyboarder isn't recording the midi, there will be
> additional 2-6 channels for keys. And recording the electric guitars
> clean and through amp/effects doesn't hurt either. For acoustic
> guitars it is good to use at least two mics at different distances
> (provided that they play in their own acoustic booth, otherwise you
> are pretty much fixed on the plugin-signal). And then you said
> something about singers...
> 
> The good thing about such a setup (for example with an rme-pci-card
> and three adat-interfaces, or several ffado-supported firewire
> interfaces) is that you get about the same number of outputs. So you
> can create a lot monitor-mixes for the musicians headphones.
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> Arnold

Thanks Arnold,
I think it depends a lot on the recording technique, but I guess having
a few spare channels doesn't hurt.
Thanks for the hint with multiple firewire devices, that could be a
solution. If I remember correctly they should have the same timing
'automagically'?

Best Regards,
	Philipp


From hollunder at gmx.at  Tue Jul 15 11:05:19 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:05:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:21:24 +0200
Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:

> <hollunder at gmx.at> writes:
> 
> > a good friend of mine is in the market for a mixer 
> 
> That's the old school way of doing it. Now you should digitize
> immediately. Get a proper sound card with enough inputs and then use a
> MIDI controller as your mixer.
> 

Thanks Esben,
that's a possibility that didn't come to my mind so far.
What are the benefits? All signal processing is done in the digital
domain?

Best Regards,
	Philipp


From xbran at web.de  Tue Jul 15 11:13:12 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:13:12 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
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2008/7/14 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> On Monday 14 July 2008 20:20:41 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>> 2008/7/14 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
>> >> you should then have a device
>> >>   /dev/rtc0
>> >
>> > I have /dev/rtc from previous
>>
>> that's the old interface
>> it's incompatible, deactivate it. look at my config!
>>   ( zcat config.gz | grep -i rtc )
>> see src/Documentation/rtc.txt for more info
>>
>> # CONFIG_RTC is not set
>> # CONFIG_GEN_RTC is not set
>> # CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set
> It is not compatible with what?
with the new rtc (at least it's not recommended to use both (see below)

> Here is ~$ lsmod | grep rtc
> snd_rtctimer            3616  0
> rtc_cmos               10848  0
> rtc_core               19632  1 rtc_cmos
> rtc_lib                 3200  1 rtc_core
> rtc                    14620  1 snd_rtctimer
>
> The "old" rtc is used by snd_rtctimer so that needs also to be replaced if
> CONFIG_RTC will not be used. You may want the HPET in place of all of this?
>

hm..
when I was selecting the new rtc-driver in menuconf, I got a warning,
it would be incompatible with the old rtc.
Also it doesn't sound convincing to me, to run two different
rtc-drivers at the same time.
I don't have snd_rtctimer, only snd_timer.

in
  linux/sound/core/rtctimer.c
I find:
#if defined(CONFIG_RTC) || defined(CONFIG_RTC_MODULE)

so you might be right, that the snd_rtctimer
still requires the old rtc.


# lsmod | grep -i rtc
rtc_cmos               11680  0
rtc_core               21584  1 rtc_cmos
rtc_lib                 4096  1 rtc_core


From markknecht at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 11:40:16 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:40:16 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:51 PM, david <gnome at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Tracey Hytry wrote:
>
>> A long time ago I discovered that analog VGA cables degraded the
>> signal if they were too long.
>>
>> Everything was fine until the cable got longer than about a meter.
>> This was the case when using one monitor with 2 computers and the
>> signal needed to go through a switch box.
>>
>> I remember going out of my way to buy expensive, but good quality VGA
>> cables just to get a decent video signal if I wanted my computer to
>> be some distance from my work area.
>>
>> My experience is that all of the slight shadowing that comes with VGA
>> cables went away when I started using a flat panel _and_ DVI cables.
>>
>> If I need a couple of meters distance between the computer and the
>> monitor I now only use DVI.  This is the case when using a video
>> switch box.  The cost of DVI cables have come down toward the price
>> of a good quality analog cable, so everything works out fine now.
>>
>> The disadvantage to all of this is that DVI switch boxes are
>> expensive!  Such is life, to be able to see pretty pictures.
>
> There are VGA booster boxes meant for use when extending VGA cable
> lengths ...
>
> --
> David

I think there are possibly two parts to what Tracey is saying about
his viewing experience:

1) The switch to flat panels improved it because newer technology
displays worked better than his old analog displays.

2) Improvements have also been made to the VGA side of the cable.
Newer cards drive the analog cable better. I have both newish ATI and
NVidia here driving 6 foot cables. They work great even with my 8 year
old Hitachi 19" analog monitor. However I used to have an old Riva VGA
and it's picture quality on anything longer than about a 3 foot VGA
cable wasn't very good.

Anyway, it's all just a technical discussion since it's (thankfully)
getting difficult to even buy an analog monitor anymore. We bought a
PC a year ago and Fry's was giving away 17" analog monitors for free
with the purchase. Stupid me I brought the thing home and it sits in
the garage gather dust unopened.

Cheers,
Mark


From christopherstamper at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 11:41:12 2008
From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:41:12 -0400
Subject: [LAU] What do you use for Vorvis audio? .ogg or .oga?
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Many PMP devices actually use the file extension to determine file type
instead of MIME or something similar.

For example, my Palm OS PDA will not recognize a .oga file unless I rename
it. It's simply not recognized as media, since oga is kinda new and unused
(.ogg is supported).

I'd like to have an option. Like 'Legacy' type thing, default .oga

I personally never use oga, and don't plan to because nobody knows what it
is.

-- 
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From hollunder at gmx.at  Tue Jul 15 11:41:21 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:41:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] e-piano
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:35:49 -0600
"Thomas Vecchione" <seablaede at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm trying to find the start of the thread and can't so I will go off
> what I have.
> 
> When starting to learn Piano some time ago I ended up buying a M-Audio
> Prokeys 88 when it first came out.  I personally think it was a great
> buy, and they now have the SX series which is even less money.  The
> keys are hammer weighted and feel very good to me, though I am not
> really all that much of a pianist myself. It has some decent sounds
> on board, and basic effects(Reverb, Chorus, etc.) with midi input and
> output.  Only catch is no onboard amp, but that isn't really a
> problem for me as I run it through my monitors anyways.  At any rate,
> I would suggest giving it a try if you only have so much to spend.
> 
>         Seablade


The start was the thread Re: "[LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard"

I didn't want to hijack the thread, so I renamed it. Guess I kinda
hijacked it anyway :/


The prokeys, according to specs, has better keys than the prokeys sx.
I wonder how the keys of the prokeys sono is, it lacks quite some
sounds and features but is about as expensive as the sx.

Best Regards,
	Philipp


From eric.steinberg at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 11:46:32 2008
From: eric.steinberg at gmail.com (Eric Steinberg)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:46:32 -0400
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
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That big mariachi bass guitar is called "bajo cuatro", or in the case
of a six string "bajo sexto".....way way way better than your standard
acoustic guitar style bass, a nice full sound.  You really ought to
spend as much as you can on an instrument, unless you plan on
destroying it on stage....



On 7/10/08, Dmitry Baikov <dsbaikov at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:27 PM, rosea <rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dmitry Baikov wrote:
>>> Sure! I play my bass through DMP3, and I like the sound.
>>>
>> It doesn't break your speakers?
>
> I play through DMP3 only for practicing, and use a reasonable volume level,
> and sometimes play through tube pedal (Tube Factor), which nicely eats
> the peaks.
>
> Dmitry.
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From pieterp at joow.be  Tue Jul 15 11:50:06 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:50:06 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
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hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:10:40 +0200
> Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:
> 
>> Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb hollunder at gmx.at:
>>> By whole band I mean a rather 'traditional' band setup with like,
>>> drums, bass, singer/s, 1-2 guitars, maybe keys.
>>> I would guess that 16 channels is plenty for that, except maybe
>>> when one wants to mic every single drum separately.
>>> His estimation was 16 channels minimum, it doesn't hurt if it's
>>> more.
>> You should go for 24+ channels. A whole drumset is at least 8
>> channels, if the keyboarder isn't recording the midi, there will be
>> additional 2-6 channels for keys. And recording the electric guitars
>> clean and through amp/effects doesn't hurt either. For acoustic
>> guitars it is good to use at least two mics at different distances
>> (provided that they play in their own acoustic booth, otherwise you
>> are pretty much fixed on the plugin-signal). And then you said
>> something about singers...
>>
>> The good thing about such a setup (for example with an rme-pci-card
>> and three adat-interfaces, or several ffado-supported firewire
>> interfaces) is that you get about the same number of outputs. So you
>> can create a lot monitor-mixes for the musicians headphones.
>>
>> Have fun,
>>
>> Arnold
> 
> Thanks Arnold,
> I think it depends a lot on the recording technique, but I guess having
> a few spare channels doesn't hurt.
> Thanks for the hint with multiple firewire devices, that could be a
> solution. If I remember correctly they should have the same timing
> 'automagically'?

That CAN be the case, but is not necessarily so.

Check with the vendors first. If they support it in windows, you can do 
it with FFADO too.

Greets,

Pieter


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul 15 11:55:37 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:55:37 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
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Mark Knecht wrote:
> ... it's (thankfully)
> getting difficult to even buy an analog monitor anymore. We bought a
> PC a year ago and Fry's was giving away 17" analog monitors for free
> with the purchase. Stupid me I brought the thing home and it sits in
> the garage gather dust unopened.
I'll keep my Trinitron around, maybe for a dual-head system, but I'm 
looking forward to getting my Samsung 2253BW later this week. I ordered 
it yesterday. :)

Btw, I went to Staples to find a DVI cable. Hoho, they wanted $73.95 for 
a Belkin cable ! Needless to say, I did not buy from them, but I did 
purchase a $10 Monster cable from the same place I ordered the Samsung 
monitor.

Again, my thanks to everyone who pitched in their advice and opinions, 
you have all been most helpful. :)

Best,

dp



From christopherstamper at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 11:57:22 2008
From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:57:22 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
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I know this is a stupid question\, but I'll ask it anyway...

Can analog VGA be converted to DVI? My PC does not have a DVI port, but my
monitor does.

That would be pointless, wouldn't it?

-- 
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From markknecht at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:03:29 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:03:29 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
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No, it cannot be converted. It would cost you less to buy a cheap VGA
with DVI than to do that.

- Mark

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Christopher Stamper
<christopherstamper at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know this is a stupid question\, but I'll ask it anyway...
>
> Can analog VGA be converted to DVI? My PC does not have a DVI port, but my
> monitor does.
>
> That would be pointless, wouldn't it?
>
> --
> Christopher Stamper
>
> Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com
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From markknecht at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:08:03 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:08:03 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> ... it's (thankfully)
>> getting difficult to even buy an analog monitor anymore. We bought a
>> PC a year ago and Fry's was giving away 17" analog monitors for free
>> with the purchase. Stupid me I brought the thing home and it sits in
>> the garage gather dust unopened.
> I'll keep my Trinitron around, maybe for a dual-head system, but I'm
> looking forward to getting my Samsung 2253BW later this week. I ordered
> it yesterday. :)
>
> Btw, I went to Staples to find a DVI cable. Hoho, they wanted $73.95 for
> a Belkin cable ! Needless to say, I did not buy from them, but I did
> purchase a $10 Monster cable from the same place I ordered the Samsung
> monitor.
>
> Again, my thanks to everyone who pitched in their advice and opinions,
> you have all been most helpful. :)
>
> Best,
>
> dp

Yeah, sometimes the cost of these cables is just silly. I bought a
Roku NetFlix player a few weeks ago. when it arrived it turned out I
hadn't purchased any additional cables thinking I had some extra
component video cables already. I didn't so I took a drive to Radio
Shack, the only electronics store here in town, to find out they
wanted $40.

The MythTV guys turned me on to MonoPrice.com where I bought 6 foot
component cables - three 6-foot coaxials in a bundle - for $2.18 each.
Since shipping was $4 I bough 3 just on the principle that the
material should cost more than shipping.

Cheers,
Mark


From bradallenfuller at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:15:45 2008
From: bradallenfuller at gmail.com (Brad Fuller)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:15:45 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Christopher Stamper
<christopherstamper at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know this is a stupid question\, but I'll ask it anyway...
>
> Can analog VGA be converted to DVI? My PC does not have a DVI port, but my
> monitor does.
>
> That would be pointless, wouldn't it?

There's a DVI (PC) to VGA (monitor) converter for $400:
http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=1209

and a VGA (PC) to DVI (monitor) converter for $329:
http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=4341

As Mark says, you might as well get a new video card.


-- 
Brad Fuller
www.bradfuller.com


From seablaede at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:22:05 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:05 -0600
Subject: [LAU] Fwd:  monitor shot, cables
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Vecchione <seablaede at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>




On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Yeah, sometimes the cost of these cables is just silly. I bought a
> Roku NetFlix player a few weeks ago. when it arrived it turned out I
> hadn't purchased any additional cables thinking I had some extra
> component video cables already. I didn't so I took a drive to Radio
> Shack, the only electronics store here in town, to find out they
> wanted $40.
>
>
NEVER buy from Rat Shack if you value your money and your sanity.

      Seablade
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From christopherstamper at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:22:21 2008
From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:22:21 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807150914g5b366200wbc3217b286d585fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com> <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
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	<5bdc1c8b0807150840x2bfa172dke1fa241772c5782b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8ce4b8a0807150857y2f9f44d5xb4c2dbf9b108b429@mail.gmail.com>
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Woooah!

Seriously, *that's* expensive!!

So much for that idea. :-(


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Brad Fuller <bradallenfuller at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Christopher Stamper
> <christopherstamper at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I know this is a stupid question\, but I'll ask it anyway...
> >
> > Can analog VGA be converted to DVI? My PC does not have a DVI port, but
> my
> > monitor does.
> >
> > That would be pointless, wouldn't it?
>
> There's a DVI (PC) to VGA (monitor) converter for $400:
> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=1209
>
> and a VGA (PC) to DVI (monitor) converter for $329:
> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=4341
>
> As Mark says, you might as well get a new video card.
>



-- 
Christopher Stamper

Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com
Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg
gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r
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From coryisatm at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:29:14 2008
From: coryisatm at gmail.com (Cory K.)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:29:14 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
In-Reply-To: <df41a9e40807150915x1912e883p7c9ffe8aa5262858@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>	<487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>	<20080713160325.73ec9b4d.shakti@bayarea.net>	<487AF770.7020909@hawaii.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807150840x2bfa172dke1fa241772c5782b@mail.gmail.com>	<f8ce4b8a0807150857y2f9f44d5xb4c2dbf9b108b429@mail.gmail.com>
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Brad Fuller wrote:
> There's a DVI (PC) to VGA (monitor) converter for $400:
> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=1209
>   
 Doesn't a simple dingle do the same thing? (essentially)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Adapter_DVI_to_VGA.jpg/800px-Adapter_DVI_to_VGA.jpg

I have a crap-load of these things laying around.

-Cory K.



From brummer- at web.de  Tue Jul 15 12:44:52 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:44:52 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Evil JACK trouble (FIXED, got a patch!)
In-Reply-To: <200807151603.41810.brummer-@web.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151544050.27412@arima>
	<200807151603.41810.brummer-@web.de>
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Hi Julien

Thanks for submit ! It works for me. 
Paul Davis is a member of this list, so he will read it soner or later. I 
remember that I read a Post from him at jack-devel where he ask for testing 
to bring out a new release. So it will be good to fix jack_connect in svn.
I diff your version against the fresh svn outcheck :

-- jack/tools/connect.c	2008-06-06 16:19:55.000000000 +0200
+++ jack/tools/connect.c	2008-07-15 17:33:02.000000000 +0200
@@ -111,7 +111,10 @@
 		return 1;
 	}
 
-	if (argc < 3) show_usage(my_name);
+	if (argc < 3) {
+		show_usage(my_name);
+		return 1;
+	}
 
 	/* try to become a client of the JACK server */
 
@@ -130,11 +133,11 @@
 
 	/* find the two ports */
 
-	if ((input_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[argc-1])) == 0) {
+	if ((input_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[argc-2])) == 0) {
 		fprintf (stderr, "ERROR %s not a valid port\n", argv[argc-1]);
 		return 1;
-		}
-	if ((output_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[argc-2])) == 0) {
+	}
+	if ((output_port = jack_port_by_name(client, argv[argc-1])) == 0) {
 		fprintf (stderr, "ERROR %s not a valid port\n", argv[argc-2]);
 		return 1;
 		}



regards   (Danke Julien)  hermann

Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2008 16:03:41 schrieb Hermann Meyer:
> Hi Julien
>
> send it to me !! please
> and the jack-devel list will be a good place to.
> http://lists.jackaudio.org/listinfo.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org
> or
> http://www.nabble.com/Jack-Audio-f15500.html
>
> regards     hermann
>
> Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2008 15:45:33 schrieb Julien Claassen:
> > Hi everyone!
> >    I fixed the connect.c from jack 0.112.0. It was mainly some confusing
> > inputs with outputs and forgetting a return statement.
> >    Whom to send the file now?
> >    Kindest regards
> >          Julien


From seablaede at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 12:48:39 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:48:39 -0600
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
In-Reply-To: <487CD05A.3060409@gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
	<487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>
	<20080713160325.73ec9b4d.shakti@bayarea.net>
	<487AF770.7020909@hawaii.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807150840x2bfa172dke1fa241772c5782b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8ce4b8a0807150857y2f9f44d5xb4c2dbf9b108b429@mail.gmail.com>
	<df41a9e40807150915x1912e883p7c9ffe8aa5262858@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CD05A.3060409@gmail.com>
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Yes and no.  DVI-I connectors actually carry BOTH the Digital and Analog VGA
signal.  That dongle removes the VGA signal from the cable and changes the
connector to match a VGA port.  It does not convert betweent he two.  The
main thing to look for to see if you can do this is the 4 pins around the
flat bar'ish looking thing.  A straight DVI connector with only a digital
signal will not have these, while a DVI-I connection will and will carry the
analog signal on those 4 pins.

However if all you have is a digital signal, you will have to convert, which
as already pointed out is a bit on the expensive side.

       Seablade

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Cory K. <coryisatm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brad Fuller wrote:
> > There's a DVI (PC) to VGA (monitor) converter for $400:
> > http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=1209
> >
>  Doesn't a simple dingle do the same thing? (essentially)
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Adapter_DVI_to_VGA.jpg/800px-Adapter_DVI_to_VGA.jpg
>
> I have a crap-load of these things laying around.
>
> -Cory K.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From markknecht at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 13:38:23 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:38:23 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
In-Reply-To: <487CD05A.3060409@gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
	<487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>
	<20080713160325.73ec9b4d.shakti@bayarea.net>
	<487AF770.7020909@hawaii.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807150840x2bfa172dke1fa241772c5782b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8ce4b8a0807150857y2f9f44d5xb4c2dbf9b108b429@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Cory K. <coryisatm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad Fuller wrote:
>> There's a DVI (PC) to VGA (monitor) converter for $400:
>> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=1209
>>
>  Doesn't a simple dingle do the same thing? (essentially)
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Adapter_DVI_to_VGA.jpg/800px-Adapter_DVI_to_VGA.jpg
>
> I have a crap-load of these things laying around.
>
> -Cory K.

Absolutely not. the VGA knows what sort of monitor is attached (EDID,
remember?) and adjusts what the hardware is sending.

The dongle just attaches the right physical outputs from the card to
the right inputs on the analog monitor.


From ken at restivo.org  Tue Jul 15 15:02:38 2008
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:02:38 -0700
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <487BD7B2.3040109@rncbc.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
	<ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:48:18PM +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
> Florian Schmidt wrote:
> > Hi Ken,
> > 
> > On Monday 14 July 2008, Ken Restivo wrote:
> >> 	Linux version 2.6.21-rt1-1 (root at asus) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115
> >                              ^^^^^The version string shows it though :)
> > 
> >> (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3 00:41:41 PDT 2007
> >>
> >>
> >> No "RT" there, but I definitely know it is an RT kernel, because I patched
> >> it myself.
> > 
> 
> i'm afraid you're betting on the wrong horse :)
> 
> you could have patched it alright (no doubt about that) and also set 
> EXTRAVERSION with the "-rt1-1" suffix, but, unless you've set 
> CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y you're not running a full-preeept RT kernel, that's 
> for sure.
> 
> afaict, when one talks about a RT linux kernel, he/she's meaning that 
> CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y and then, trust me, the "RT" will appear in the 
> `uname -a` line output.
> 

On my laptop, CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT is set, but no "RT" appears in the uname -a line.

It's definitely a RT kernel. I've been running it for a year now.

-ken


From loki.davison at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 20:08:15 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:08:15 +1000
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
In-Reply-To: <f8ce4b8a0807150857y2f9f44d5xb4c2dbf9b108b429@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com> <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
	<487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>
	<20080713160325.73ec9b4d.shakti@bayarea.net>
	<487AF770.7020909@hawaii.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807150840x2bfa172dke1fa241772c5782b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8ce4b8a0807150857y2f9f44d5xb4c2dbf9b108b429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec9314860807151708m3c6fa7b7gf306070d2817e06@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Christopher Stamper
<christopherstamper at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know this is a stupid question\, but I'll ask it anyway...
>
> Can analog VGA be converted to DVI? My PC does not have a DVI port, but my
> monitor does.
>
> That would be pointless, wouldn't it?
>
> --
> Christopher Stamper
>
>

arrg. buy a new card. the cost $20.


and work better.

Get a higher end gaming card for ..... $40...


Loki


From christopher.wenn at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 20:44:49 2008
From: christopher.wenn at gmail.com (Chris Wenn)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:44:49 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <487CB974.3060708@joow.be>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost>
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost> <486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>
	<1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost> <4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>
	<4870CDFB.20402@joow.be> <1216127616.6850.11.camel@localhost>
	<487CB974.3060708@joow.be>
Message-ID: <ff11e1560807151744l44449edbl408c909a636ce6d9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Pieter Palmers <pieterp at joow.be> wrote:

> Chris Wenn wrote:
>
>> Hi Pieter and anyone else following this discussion.
>>
>> After some additional troubleshooting, I've discovered that either the
>> Expresscard or the Expresscard adapter in my M1210 is the culprit in
>> this problem. I hope it's the card, because at least I can throw that
>> out :)
>>
>> I got desperate and tried out the whole setup in Windows (*sigh*), and
>> it didn't work there either.
>>
> DELL has some bios updates mentioning expresscard support improvements for
> some laptops, maybe that's the case for you too?
>
> In any case, it should be possible to make it work on windows, or work with
> DELL to make it work. Usually they are less reluctant to help windows users
> than they are to help Linux users. They always seem to expect that crappy
> hardware is due to the Linux OS.
>

I'm on rev. A07 and there's an A08, so I'll try to get that to work - seems
it has to be installed from the first partition (which Windows isn't) and
I've mislaid my documentation for updating from Linux. In any case, using
the Saffire via the Expresscard produced really strange timing errors (audio
was crackly and slowed down by about 50%, with huge CPU usage) under
Windows, however the Ricoh device worked fine.


>
>
>> Interestingly, the onboard Ricoh firewire works perfectly - it's total
>> failure to work at all in Linux was the start of this quest, so I'm a
>> bit bewildered.
>>
>
> The Ricoh controller is a mistery to me too. I really can't figure out what
> the exact problem is. In the logs you provided I don't see it though. What
> version of the Ricoh chip do you have?
>
> Greets,
>
> Pieter


The 8522, IIRC - integrated with SD/MMC reader. Under Linux (both Ubuntu and
64Studio) it crashes out with an Iso Xmit Error 0, as described here
http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/FAQ, which seems to be
unrecoverable. In Windows it's working fine - which goes against reports I'd
seen of the problem being cross-platform...

Chris
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From rtg at aapsc.com  Tue Jul 15 21:34:45 2008
From: rtg at aapsc.com (Rick Green)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:34:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, cables
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807150908l23cf166eqe686461b86c5a586@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com> <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807132149.49130.arnold@arnoldarts.de> <487A6335.7000609@woh.rr.com>
	<20080713160325.73ec9b4d.shakti@bayarea.net>
	<487AF770.7020909@hawaii.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807150840x2bfa172dke1fa241772c5782b@mail.gmail.com>
	<487CC879.2070006@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807150908l23cf166eqe686461b86c5a586@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807152128240.2925@localhost>

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Mark Knecht wrote:

> Yeah, sometimes the cost of these cables is just silly. I bought a

  Somebody recently (was it on this list?) sent a link to an 'ultra-premium 
Denon-link' cable, which looks suspiciously like a simple 6-foot ethernet 
cable.  It doesn't even say if it conforms to cat5 or cat6 specs, just a 
lot of marketing hype about 'bringing out all the nuances of your digital 
music', etc.
   For $499.00, it better do a lot more than that!

-- 
Rick Green

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                                   -Benjamin Franklin



From orl at ammd.net  Wed Jul 16 02:18:14 2008
From: orl at ammd.net (Aurelien)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:18:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ARDOUR] Way of sorting tracks in Mixer and Tracks Views
In-Reply-To: <1216124704.13980.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20080715070805.GB2388@sebkhachott.net>
	<1216124704.13980.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20080716061814.GB2453@sebkhachott.net>

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 08:25:04AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote :
> 
> On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 09:08 +0200, Aurelien wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm currently working on a huge project[1] with about 150 tracks at the end
> > (recorded by bunches of 24).
> > [1] for me, at least!
> > 
> > I've created a model with those 150 tracks, but the fact is that some
> > instruments (10-15 max) don't play on some tunes, and I prefer to delete
> > the related tracks so that it is more readable.
> > Please note that there are 24 Tracks "active" and a bit more "viewable",
> > and the same 24 tracks are viewable in Mixer View, on which there also
> > is busses (6).
> > 
> > As I delete a track (in the Tracks View), the sorting of the tracks
> > totally change in both of the view, and I can't figure out how it
> > changes. I didin't find any logics behind this, even if I suppose it is
> > the case.
> > Worse: when I sort the tracks manually in order in the tracks view, it
> > doesn't put them in the same order on the mixer, as the busses are
> > viewable from the mixer but not from the Track View. And I finally
> > cannot get an ordered sort in one and the other.
> > 
> > Could someone give me a trick about it?
> 
> its a bug. there's no good way around it, i am afraid. even in 2.5.
> 
> :(

OK. Thanks for the answer. It's sad, as this way of moving tracks is, in
my opinion, very efficient and I was very happy to discover it.

PS : If you're woken up right now, it would be very cool if you could
take a look to my other mail that I wanted to send yesterday night (in
France time) but I mistype the email address! It's all about rme drivers
and use, and as you've been developping the drivers for this card and
Ardour, I think you may have some tricks to give to me.

Thanks.

> 
> 
> 
> 

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From rncbc at rncbc.org  Wed Jul 16 03:14:57 2008
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:14:57 +0100 (WEST)
Subject: [LAU] OpenMoko FreeRunner and Real Time Kernel
In-Reply-To: <20080715190238.GD25763@restivo.org>
References: <20080714092804.GA4491@restivo.org>
	<ab95d4d50807140546p478b9b07qa72cf062c7108e81@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080714192512.GD7738@restivo.org>
	<200807150012.16542.mista.tapas@gmx.net> <487BD7B2.3040109@rncbc.org>
	<20080715190238.GD25763@restivo.org>
Message-ID: <25180.213.58.131.130.1216192497.squirrel@www.rncbc.org>


On Tue, July 15, 2008 20:02, Ken Restivo wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:48:18PM +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
>
>> Florian Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ken,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 14 July 2008, Ken Restivo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux version 2.6.21-rt1-1 (root at asus) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115
>>>>
>>> ^^^^^The version string shows it though :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 3 00:41:41
>>>> PDT 2007
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No "RT" there, but I definitely know it is an RT kernel, because I
>>>> patched it myself.
>>>
>>
>> i'm afraid you're betting on the wrong horse :)
>>
>> you could have patched it alright (no doubt about that) and also set
>> EXTRAVERSION with the "-rt1-1" suffix, but, unless you've set
>> CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y you're not running a full-preeept RT kernel, that's
>> for sure.
>>
>> afaict, when one talks about a RT linux kernel, he/she's meaning that
>> CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y and then, trust me, the "RT" will appear in the
>> `uname -a` line output.
>>
>>
>
> On my laptop, CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT is set, but no "RT" appears in the uname
> -a line.
>

strange.

> It's definitely a RT kernel. I've been running it for a year now.
>

dunno when that "RT" got in the uname -a line, but one other way for you
to check that your kernel is _actually_ a full real-time preempt kernel is
for seeing the existence of the irq service handler threads like this (as
root)

  ps -ef | grep -i IRQ

check that out, not that it makes a difference other than a point
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc at rncbc.org



From pieterp at joow.be  Wed Jul 16 04:23:27 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:23:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <ff11e1560807151744l44449edbl408c909a636ce6d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost>	
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>	
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost>
	<486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>	 <1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost>
	<4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>	 <4870CDFB.20402@joow.be>
	<1216127616.6850.11.camel@localhost>	 <487CB974.3060708@joow.be>
	<ff11e1560807151744l44449edbl408c909a636ce6d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487DAFFF.9090202@joow.be>

Chris Wenn wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Pieter Palmers <pieterp at joow.be 
> <mailto:pieterp at joow.be>> wrote:
> 
>     Chris Wenn wrote:
> 
>         Hi Pieter and anyone else following this discussion.
> 
>         After some additional troubleshooting, I've discovered that
>         either the
>         Expresscard or the Expresscard adapter in my M1210 is the culprit in
>         this problem. I hope it's the card, because at least I can throw
>         that
>         out :)
> 
>         I got desperate and tried out the whole setup in Windows
>         (*sigh*), and
>         it didn't work there either.
> 
>     DELL has some bios updates mentioning expresscard support
>     improvements for some laptops, maybe that's the case for you too?
> 
>     In any case, it should be possible to make it work on windows, or
>     work with DELL to make it work. Usually they are less reluctant to
>     help windows users than they are to help Linux users. They always
>     seem to expect that crappy hardware is due to the Linux OS.
> 
> 
> I'm on rev. A07 and there's an A08, so I'll try to get that to work - 
> seems it has to be installed from the first partition (which Windows 
> isn't) and I've mislaid my documentation for updating from Linux. In any 
> case, using the Saffire via the Expresscard produced really strange 
> timing errors (audio was crackly and slowed down by about 50%, with huge 
> CPU usage) under Windows, however the Ricoh device worked fine.
>  
> 
> 
> 
>         Interestingly, the onboard Ricoh firewire works perfectly - it's
>         total
>         failure to work at all in Linux was the start of this quest, so
>         I'm a
>         bit bewildered.
> 
> 
>     The Ricoh controller is a mistery to me too. I really can't figure
>     out what the exact problem is. In the logs you provided I don't see
>     it though. What version of the Ricoh chip do you have?
> 
>     Greets,
> 
>     Pieter
> 
> 
> The 8522, IIRC - integrated with SD/MMC reader. Under Linux (both Ubuntu 
> and 64Studio) it crashes out with an Iso Xmit Error 0, as described here 
> http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/FAQ, which seems to be 
> unrecoverable. In Windows it's working fine - which goes against reports 
> I'd seen of the problem being cross-platform...

It would be good if you could run the ffado-diag tool such that we can 
figure out what hardware revision of the ricoh chip you have.

Greets,

Pieter


From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 06:13:57 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:13:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] bassguitar
In-Reply-To: <2a7c3a4b0807150846s3f9ed203sf64c96c787e6754b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080701174843.4CE85BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>	<486B2367.6030909@gmail.com>	<20080705170809.GB6193@aym.net2.nerim.net>	<4870B7A1.9040909@woh.rr.com>
	<20080707073025.GA2217@sebkhachott.net>	<48736A8B.6070909@gmail.com>
	<4873ACEE.5070107@gmail.com>	<70a871c80807090916y65b20fe2h331c6014aeca86e@mail.gmail.com>	<4874E6FC.9020109@gmail.com>	<70a871c80807100047t758a6426i75c7b17528c7beaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a7c3a4b0807150846s3f9ed203sf64c96c787e6754b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487DC9E5.1090009@gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks for your comments. I've a Cort GB34 A, second hand, 125 euro's.

/d


From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 06:30:13 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:30:13 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>
	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>	<48639853.6020609@web.de>
	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>	<48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com>	<487A764E.3010300@web.de>
	<487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
Message-ID: <487DCDB5.5000407@gmail.com>

Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:45:54AM +0200, schoappied wrote:
>
>   
>> Are there maybe older keyboards from roland, yamaha or kurzweil or 
>> whatever, which are good and maybe available in a low price class 
>> (second hand price class 100 -200 euros) on the second hand market?
Anyone with experience with the Fatar studio 2001 master keyboard?

Regards,


From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 09:52:37 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:52:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
Message-ID: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>

Hi,

What are good headphones? What are good ones to search for on the second 
hand market? For about 50 euro's can you get a good one?

Thanks in advance,

Dirk


From markknecht at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 11:54:05 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:54:05 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807160854l31553427ic3e6205ea98316c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:52 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What are good headphones? What are good ones to search for on the second
> hand market? For about 50 euro's can you get a good one?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dirk

You'll have to verify the 50 euros part but assuming 2:1 then the
typical first answer for pop/rock type recording/listening is often
the Sony MDR-7506. Very popular. Most pop music sounds pretty goo don
them. They wear well. Easy on your head and ears. Nice padding.
Sturdy. Sealed so little outside noise. Good for singers with good
isolation. A bit bassy. (Understatement) A very good choice. I've
owned a couple of pairs for 6-7 years. Both still work well and are
quite worn out at this point.

If you're more of a jazz/classical listener then I much prefer my AKG
K240's but they're typically a bit more expensive. The model I have
(DF's) is no longer generally available but there are newer ones that
sound very good to me. More like 75-100 euros, again assuming 2:1.

Hope this helps,
Mark


From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 12:15:49 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:15:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807160854l31553427ic3e6205ea98316c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807160854l31553427ic3e6205ea98316c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487E1EB5.9020804@gmail.com>

>
> u'll have to verify the 50 euros part but assuming 2:1 then the
> typical first answer for pop/rock type recording/listening is often
> the Sony MDR-7506.  A bit bassy. (Understatement) A very good choice. I
>
> If you're more of a jazz/classical listener then I much prefer my AKG
> K240's but they're typically a bit more expensive. 
Thanks. And if I say that I want to use it for practising bassguitar 
(and maybe guitar and keys), does that have influence on your advice?



From reuben.m at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 12:45:23 2008
From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:45:23 -0500
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487E1EB5.9020804@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807160854l31553427ic3e6205ea98316c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<487E1EB5.9020804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807161145.23516.reuben.m@gmail.com>

Back on Wednesday 16 July 2008, schoappied was like:
> > u'll have to verify the 50 euros part but assuming 2:1 then the
> > typical first answer for pop/rock type recording/listening is often
> > the Sony MDR-7506.  A bit bassy. (Understatement) A very good choice. I
> >
> > If you're more of a jazz/classical listener then I much prefer my AKG
> > K240's but they're typically a bit more expensive.
>
> Thanks. And if I say that I want to use it for practising bassguitar
> (and maybe guitar and keys), does that have influence on your advice?
>

The MDR-7506 should be just fine for that. They are pretty standard. People 
like them not only because they sound decent, but because they take wear and 
tear a lot better than most other designs. I've had a pair for 8 years with 
lots of abuse from live shows and they are still in good condition.

-Reuben




From markknecht at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 13:11:56 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:11:56 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487E1EB5.9020804@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807160854l31553427ic3e6205ea98316c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<487E1EB5.9020804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807161011q4ca96956j4649281c37d4a21b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:15 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> u'll have to verify the 50 euros part but assuming 2:1 then the
>> typical first answer for pop/rock type recording/listening is often
>> the Sony MDR-7506.  A bit bassy. (Understatement) A very good choice. I
>>
>> If you're more of a jazz/classical listener then I much prefer my AKG
>> K240's but they're typically a bit more expensive.
> Thanks. And if I say that I want to use it for practising bassguitar
> (and maybe guitar and keys), does that have influence on your advice?
>

Assuming you're a rock bass player then the 7506's will be good for
that. However if you then move to playing live using a regular amp
your bass will likely sound *quite* different and that can be
frustrating. If you intend to practice and then record in your home
studio then I find the 7506's a better overall product for this use
since they're well isolated.

Just my views,
Mark


From sandysj at juno.com  Wed Jul 16 14:55:10 2008
From: sandysj at juno.com (Jeff Sandys)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18494245.post@talk.nabble.com>



schoappied wrote:
> 
> 
> What are good headphones? What are good ones to search for on the second 
> hand market? For about 50 euro's can you get a good one?
> 
> 
The Audio-Technica ATH-M40fs are designed for studio monitoring with a very
flat response and have been compared favorably against the Sennheisers
HD280Pro.  

	
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From _ at whats-your.name  Wed Jul 16 15:33:53 2008
From: _ at whats-your.name (c_r)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:33:53 -0400
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <200807161145.23516.reuben.m@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807160854l31553427ic3e6205ea98316c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<487E1EB5.9020804@gmail.com>
	<200807161145.23516.reuben.m@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080716193353.GA5150@m.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

On Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 11:45:23AM -0500, Reuben Martin wrote:
> Back on Wednesday 16 July 2008, schoappied was like:
> > > u'll have to verify the 50 euros part but assuming 2:1 then the
> > > typical first answer for pop/rock type recording/listening is often
> > > the Sony MDR-7506.  A bit bassy. (Understatement) A very good choice. I
> > >
> > > If you're more of a jazz/classical listener then I much prefer my AKG
> > > K240's but they're typically a bit more expensive.
> >
> > Thanks. And if I say that I want to use it for practising bassguitar
> > (and maybe guitar and keys), does that have influence on your advice?
> >
> 
> The MDR-7506 should be just fine for that. They are pretty standard. People 

agreed. bought a pair in 1997. the last pair of headphones i'll ever buy?


From markknecht at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 15:57:43 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:57:43 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <20080716193353.GA5150@m.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807160854l31553427ic3e6205ea98316c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<487E1EB5.9020804@gmail.com> <200807161145.23516.reuben.m@gmail.com>
	<20080716193353.GA5150@m.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807161257g1f2130bbs62348801a09c2e67@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:33 PM, c_r <_ at whats-your.name> wrote:
> On Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 11:45:23AM -0500, Reuben Martin wrote:
>> Back on Wednesday 16 July 2008, schoappied was like:
>> > > u'll have to verify the 50 euros part but assuming 2:1 then the
>> > > typical first answer for pop/rock type recording/listening is often
>> > > the Sony MDR-7506.  A bit bassy. (Understatement) A very good choice. I
>> > >
>> > > If you're more of a jazz/classical listener then I much prefer my AKG
>> > > K240's but they're typically a bit more expensive.
>> >
>> > Thanks. And if I say that I want to use it for practising bassguitar
>> > (and maybe guitar and keys), does that have influence on your advice?
>> >
>>
>> The MDR-7506 should be just fine for that. They are pretty standard. People
>
> agreed. bought a pair in 1997. the last pair of headphones i'll ever buy?

Nahh...if you're serious about mixing you need a few others just to
ensure your mixes work in different environments. It's good to have
some open-air cans, some isolated ones like the 7605's, even from a
few different manufacturers. Just like listening on your studio
monitors is different than the car. Still, the mix has to work in
both.

That said the 7605's have been the ones that I've listened to at least
90% of the time over nearly the last decade but when I mix with them I
find people complain my mix doesn't have enough bottom end.

- Mark


From florin at andrei.myip.org  Wed Jul 16 16:06:56 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:06:56 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>

schoappied wrote:
> 
> What are good headphones? What are good ones to search for on the second 
> hand market? For about 50 euro's can you get a good one?

First off: What is a "good" headphone is a matter of highly personal 
preference. You will get maybe 20 different opinions, and in the end not 
even one of them will seem "good" to you. If you can, it is highly 
recommended to test the phones yourself and see how you like them.

Second from top: good headphones are full size. If it doesn't cover your 
ears entirely, it's probably not good. Exceptions are few (high quality 
ear canal devices such as Ultimate Ears and stuff like that).

There are two types of full size headphones: open-air and sealed.

1. Open air are as good as the technology permits, because they have 
fewer design constraints. This is the category containing the phones 
usually deemed "best" overall, such as Grado GS 1000, Sennheiser HD 650, 
AKG K701, Beyerdynamic DT 880. But all those models are expensive, way 
beyond the price range you mentioned, I put them here just as a 
reference, to see what can be achieved if money is no problem.

I've a pair of Sennheiser HD 600 (previous generation, got replaced by 
the 650 not long ago) and they are extremely clean. I learned to trust 
them almost completely: if the HD 600 doesn't reveal it, it either 
doesn't exist or it doesn't matter. Also, they don't "color" the sound; 
what you hear is what is actually on the disk.
Something like an HD 580 (previous generation from the 600) might 
collect dust in a corner and might be had for like $100 - $200 if you're 
lucky, and should provide very good quality at an excellent price. 
That's probably as cheap as it gets for a good open-air phone, it's what 
I would try to get if I had 50 euros in my pocket (and some bargaining 
skills).
Maybe an AKG K 240 S will be pretty close in terms of price and quality, 
but it's a bit brighter than the Sennheiser.
Or try one of the low-end Grado - I have the SR 125, they should be in 
the same price range and are pretty good, but _very_ bright - some 
people hate them for that, and 25% of me is one of them :-). But they 
are _extremely_ revealing; it's like looking at the sound with a 
microscope. Of course, if you just want to enjoy the overall picture, 
then you should rather use a wide-screen TV (Senn HD 650) instead of a 
microscope (Grado SR 125).

The problem with open-air is that they do not isolate you from ambient 
noise. So if you're in a noisy environment, that's a problem. You need 
silence to use an open-air phone to its full potential.

2. Sealed phones solve that problem, at the cost of a slight performance 
drop. They don't sound as good as open-air, but will attenuate the 
ambient noise.
Probably the most recommended one in this class is Sennheiser HD 280 
Pro. I own that model and, for $100, they are very good. They are pretty 
standard in recording studios, they give them to vocalists to monitor 
the tracks because, being sealed, the tracks don't leak into the 
microphone. I use them at work, in the office: at -15dB isolation, they 
cut a lot of the yapping from adjacent cubicles and hallway. But the 
focus of the HD 280 is quality, not isolation.
You may even try an ear canal phone (not cheap earbuds, but real ear 
canal devices). They can be very good, although for 50 euros I'm not 
sure if you can get to the really good ones. And of course it's not 
indicated to buy these second-hand.

Just keep shopping around, there's probably a lot of good phones out 
there. See what the studios use and try and get one of those if it's in 
your price range.

See this site:

http://headphone.com/

It's a commercial site, they make money out of selling headphones, but 
I've found their reviews very accurate. Whenever I tried a phone, my 
opinion and their review matched pretty closely. So I kind of trust them.

Of course, take _anyone's_ advice with a grain of salt and do your own 
tests if you can.

Good luck.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From florin at andrei.myip.org  Wed Jul 16 17:21:15 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:21:15 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487E664B.8080802@andrei.myip.org>

By the way, don't buy based on the brand name. Just because the company 
ABC makes the "God phone" XYZ doesn't mean everything they make is good.
I got the wireless Sennheiser RS 130 a few years back, because the 
adults in this household tend to watch movies at the hours when the kids 
are asleep, so headphones are pretty much mandatory. But sometimes it 
feels like I've seen roadkill with better bass response than the RS 130.

Maybe I'm too picky, maybe I got spoiled by the better phones I use. But 
back then the 130 were among the best wireless available. Perhaps I 
should just get a 3.5mm cable extender (about 5 meters should do), hook 
it up to regular phones and call it a day, although that kind of thing 
has a low wife-approval factor, quite justified in fact.

One exception to this rule is Grado. They seem to consistently deliver 
good phones. Call them too bright if you wish, but their cheaper phones 
are like their more expensive models, only less, if that makes sense. 
Definitely better than the usual junk at the audio store, although the 
"Grado sound" may not be to everyone's liking. Heck, for regular 
everyday listening I can't stand them either. :shrug: :rolleyes: :scowl:

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From suriba at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 19:22:27 2008
From: suriba at gmail.com (::surian::)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:22:27 -0300
Subject: [LAU] a 100% guaranteed firewire interface for linux?
In-Reply-To: <e42f66090806231030h726848dfo9cc3753fc4afcd9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e42f66090806231030h726848dfo9cc3753fc4afcd9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Just to end this thread..
I bought an Edirol Fa-66 and, after installing a fresh ubuntu studio, it was
almost plug and play!
uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!

Jack is stable using freebob with 4ms latency --- sample rate is 48kHz ///
64 frames/period /// 3 periods buffer

My laptop is an HP Pavillion 6700 running ubuntu studio 8.04 with kernel
2.6.24-19-rt
the firewire chipset is: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller

The only thing I had to do was:
# modprobe raw1394
and then change it's permission on /dev/raw1394

thanks for the answers!

surian
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From _ at whats-your.name  Wed Jul 16 23:23:24 2008
From: _ at whats-your.name (c_r)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:23:24 -0400
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <20080717032324.GB5150@m.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

On Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 01:06:56PM -0700, Florin Andrei wrote:

> them almost completely: if the HD 600 doesn't reveal it, it either 
> doesn't exist or it doesn't matter. Also, they don't "color" the sound; 

another factor is the headphone amp. impedances, signal levels

an identical headphone might sound crap on one plug but great on another

and ive evern had variations in an identical model. due to humidity exposure, operating temp, or component tolerances etc
 


From bpatrice at sympatico.ca  Thu Jul 17 02:10:52 2008
From: bpatrice at sympatico.ca (Patrice Brousseau)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:10:52 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Crackling in ZynAddSubFX
In-Reply-To: <36b63bcd0806201554v1fe4494bv7633afee7185025f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36b63bcd0806201554v1fe4494bv7633afee7185025f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2233040FF0341E37925CFBAB8E0@phx.gbl>

I know I'm a little late... but...

I recompiled zynaddsubfx (cvs patched) and it now works fine with freebob...

Yes!

Peter Lutz wrote:
> I'm very new to Linux audio recording, so I apologize in advance if 
> I'm missing something obvious.
>
> I have a brand new computer with an M-Audio Delta 44 audio card 
> running the latest version of Ubuntu Studio 8.04. I've been 
> experimenting with software synthesizers using a USB MIDI keyboard, 
> and I've managed to get QSynth working very well and have had some 
> success recording that. I thought I'd try ZynAddSubFX since it sounds 
> amazing. The problem I'm having is that the sound crackles (that's the 
> best word I can think of to describe it) when I play it. The very odd 
> thing I've discovered though is that if I record ZynAddSubFX in 
> Ardour, I don't hear any crackling during playback of the recording. 
> It's only as I'm listening to ZynAdd in real-time as I play it. I've 
> tried using different speakers and headphones, but it makes no difference.
>
> I suppose I could just record it and try to ignore the crackling as I 
> play, but it would obviously be ideal to have no crackling at all.
>
> I've tried tweaking both the ZynAdd settings and JACK settings 
> (although my guess is that JACK settings are fine, since I haven't had 
> any issues with recording live instruments or recording QSynth) but to 
> no avail. I have the sample rate in ZynAdd matching the one in JACK 
> (48000Hz) and have tried different buffer sizes in ZynAdd but haven't 
> noticed a difference. I've also noticed that it usually doesn't 
> crackle when I'm using the default instrument in ZynAdd, only once I 
> switch to a different one -- then it seems pretty continuous no matter 
> which instrument I switch to after that.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be causing this?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 04:07:46 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:07:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <487EFDD2.5070707@gmail.com>


> I've a pair of Sennheiser HD 600 (previous generation, got replaced by 
> the 650 not long ago) and they are extremely clean. I learned to trust 
> them almost completely: if the HD 600 doesn't reveal it, it either 
> doesn't exist or it doesn't matter. Also, they don't "color" the sound; 
> what you hear is what is actually on the disk.
> Something like an HD 580 (previous generation from the 600) might 
> collect dust in a corner and might be had for like $100 - $200 if you're 
> lucky, and should provide very good quality at an excellent price. 
And how is the HD 570?


From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 04:35:18 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:35:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <487F0446.20900@gmail.com>


> There are two types of full size headphones: open-air and sealed.
>
>
>   
So it's not recommend to use a sealed headphone when you're on the road 
riding a bike? How sealed is sealed...

You don't make a distinction between pop/ rock music and jazz/ classic 
music headphones?
(by the way: Isn't a distinction between light music (eg pop/rock/ jazz) 
and classic music better?)
> Probably the most recommended one in this class is Sennheiser HD 280 
>   
There are some of this types on ebay for around 47 euro's, but I don't 
know if I can trust it and if they're exactly the same type of the one 
you have mentioned...

http://search.ebay.nl/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=Sennheiser+HD+280


Thanks for your comments!





From maex at firstfloor.org  Thu Jul 17 05:15:30 2008
From: maex at firstfloor.org (maex at firstfloor.org)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:15:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] a 100% guaranteed firewire interface for linux?
In-Reply-To: <e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e42f66090806231030h726848dfo9cc3753fc4afcd9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080717091530.GB2836@firstfloor.org>


helo

are u serious? :)

very good news. and whats about the midi issue. is midi also working?


m


On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:22:27PM -0300, ::surian:: wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Just to end this thread..
> I bought an Edirol Fa-66 and, after installing a fresh ubuntu studio, it was
> almost plug and play!
> uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!
> 
> Jack is stable using freebob with 4ms latency --- sample rate is 48kHz ///
> 64 frames/period /// 3 periods buffer
> 
> My laptop is an HP Pavillion 6700 running ubuntu studio 8.04 with kernel
> 2.6.24-19-rt
> the firewire chipset is: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
> 
> The only thing I had to do was:
> # modprobe raw1394
> and then change it's permission on /dev/raw1394
> 
> thanks for the answers!
> 
> surian

> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user



From pieterp at joow.be  Thu Jul 17 05:31:38 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:31:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Looking for a mixer, 16+ channels
In-Reply-To: <20080716230749.7579415f@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
References: <20080714003050.0a65e9dc@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>	<487AF700.4050007@hawaii.rr.com>	<20080714112528.64b06132@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>	<200807141210.48579.arnold@arnoldarts.de>	<20080715170309.5cfd4adf@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>	<487CC72E.9080005@joow.be>
	<20080716230749.7579415f@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
Message-ID: <487F117A.5070902@joow.be>

hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:50:06 +0200
> Pieter Palmers <pieterp at joow.be> wrote:
> 
>> hollunder at gmx.at wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:10:40 +0200
>>> Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am Montag, 14. Juli 2008 schrieb hollunder at gmx.at:
>>>>> By whole band I mean a rather 'traditional' band setup with like,
>>>>> drums, bass, singer/s, 1-2 guitars, maybe keys.
>>>>> I would guess that 16 channels is plenty for that, except maybe
>>>>> when one wants to mic every single drum separately.
>>>>> His estimation was 16 channels minimum, it doesn't hurt if it's
>>>>> more.
>>>> You should go for 24+ channels. A whole drumset is at least 8
>>>> channels, if the keyboarder isn't recording the midi, there will be
>>>> additional 2-6 channels for keys. And recording the electric
>>>> guitars clean and through amp/effects doesn't hurt either. For
>>>> acoustic guitars it is good to use at least two mics at different
>>>> distances (provided that they play in their own acoustic booth,
>>>> otherwise you are pretty much fixed on the plugin-signal). And
>>>> then you said something about singers...
>>>>
>>>> The good thing about such a setup (for example with an rme-pci-card
>>>> and three adat-interfaces, or several ffado-supported firewire
>>>> interfaces) is that you get about the same number of outputs. So
>>>> you can create a lot monitor-mixes for the musicians headphones.
>>>>
>>>> Have fun,
>>>>
>>>> Arnold
>>> Thanks Arnold,
>>> I think it depends a lot on the recording technique, but I guess
>>> having a few spare channels doesn't hurt.
>>> Thanks for the hint with multiple firewire devices, that could be a
>>> solution. If I remember correctly they should have the same timing
>>> 'automagically'?
>> That CAN be the case, but is not necessarily so.
>>
>> Check with the vendors first. If they support it in windows, you can
>> do it with FFADO too.
>>
>> Greets,
>>
>> Pieter
> 
> 
> Thanks Pieter,
> do you happen to know if this is the case for the Mackie Onyx 1640?
> I found something on their website about daisy-chaining two of them and
> that it only works on Windows right now. Guess that's something else..

I didn't try, but if they support it on windows, we can also do it.

Greets,

Pieter


From pieterp at joow.be  Thu Jul 17 05:32:53 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:32:53 +0200
Subject: [LAU] a 100% guaranteed firewire interface for linux?
In-Reply-To: <20080717091530.GB2836@firstfloor.org>
References: <e42f66090806231030h726848dfo9cc3753fc4afcd9c@mail.gmail.com>	<e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080717091530.GB2836@firstfloor.org>
Message-ID: <487F11C5.2000107@joow.be>

maex at firstfloor.org wrote:
> helo
> 
> are u serious? :)
> 
> very good news. and whats about the midi issue. is midi also working?
What midi issue? Midi has been part of freebob/ffado from the early days.

Pieter

> 
> 
> m
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:22:27PM -0300, ::surian:: wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Just to end this thread..
>> I bought an Edirol Fa-66 and, after installing a fresh ubuntu studio, it was
>> almost plug and play!
>> uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!
>>
>> Jack is stable using freebob with 4ms latency --- sample rate is 48kHz ///
>> 64 frames/period /// 3 periods buffer
>>
>> My laptop is an HP Pavillion 6700 running ubuntu studio 8.04 with kernel
>> 2.6.24-19-rt
>> the firewire chipset is: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
>>
>> The only thing I had to do was:
>> # modprobe raw1394
>> and then change it's permission on /dev/raw1394
>>
>> thanks for the answers!
>>
>> surian
> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> 



From pieterp at joow.be  Thu Jul 17 05:35:00 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:35:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] a 100% guaranteed firewire interface for linux?
In-Reply-To: <e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e42f66090806231030h726848dfo9cc3753fc4afcd9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487F1244.3040105@joow.be>

::surian:: wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Just to end this thread..
> I bought an Edirol Fa-66 and, after installing a fresh ubuntu studio, it 
> was almost plug and play!
> uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!
> 
> Jack is stable using freebob with 4ms latency --- sample rate is 48kHz 
> /// 64 frames/period /// 3 periods buffer
> 
> My laptop is an HP Pavillion 6700 running ubuntu studio 8.04 with kernel 
> 2.6.24-19-rt
> the firewire chipset is: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
This controller might or might not cause issues. If you have a revision 
02 version, you are in for troubles. If you have a revision 05 version 
the problems can be circumvented. And we have one report that the 
revision 08 works very well.

Glad it works for you.

Greets,

Pieter



From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Thu Jul 17 06:13:44 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:13:44 +0200
Subject: [LAU] a 100% guaranteed firewire interface for linux?
In-Reply-To: <487F1244.3040105@joow.be>
References: <e42f66090806231030h726848dfo9cc3753fc4afcd9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>
	<487F1244.3040105@joow.be>
Message-ID: <200807171213.54771.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Donnerstag, 17. Juli 2008 schrieb Pieter Palmers:
> ::surian:: wrote:
> > the firewire chipset is: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
> This controller might or might not cause issues. If you have a revision
> 02 version, you are in for troubles. If you have a revision 05 version
> the problems can be circumvented. And we have one report that the
> revision 08 works very well.

ppalmers: you certainly don't talk about me? I have the r5c552 rev08, not the 
r5c832...

Arnold
-- 
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From pcoccoli at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 07:29:02 2008
From: pcoccoli at gmail.com (Paul Coccoli)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:29:02 -0400
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487E664B.8080802@andrei.myip.org>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <487E664B.8080802@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <8d27a0610807170429l3da6762ehec5c006139786c77@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org> wrote:
> One exception to this rule is Grado. They seem to consistently deliver
> good phones. Call them too bright if you wish, but their cheaper phones
> are like their more expensive models, only less, if that makes sense.
> Definitely better than the usual junk at the audio store, although the
> "Grado sound" may not be to everyone's liking. Heck, for regular
> everyday listening I can't stand them either. :shrug: :rolleyes: :scowl:

I love my Grado SR-60s.  I think I paid $65US.  Yes, they are on the
bright side, but I like that.  They're not the most comfortable pair
of headphones, but not too bad.  Bass is ample; much better than the
speakers I have connected to my computer (small Celestions bookshelf
speakers with a Tascam power amp).

For the in-ear types, I have the Etymotic Research ER-6, which also
sound very good but again, since they go in your ear canal, they're
much less comfortable than the Grados.  The isolation is amazing
though.  I can't hear anything else when I'm listening to "dense"
(meaning heavy) music on them.  Also about $65 US, I think.


From pieterp at joow.be  Thu Jul 17 07:32:49 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:32:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] a 100% guaranteed firewire interface for linux?
In-Reply-To: <200807171213.54771.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
References: <e42f66090806231030h726848dfo9cc3753fc4afcd9c@mail.gmail.com>	<e42f66090807161622lf11985bl53c2e0b3de902c95@mail.gmail.com>	<487F1244.3040105@joow.be>
	<200807171213.54771.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
Message-ID: <487F2DE1.2080400@joow.be>

Arnold Krille wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 17. Juli 2008 schrieb Pieter Palmers:
>> ::surian:: wrote:
>>> the firewire chipset is: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
>> This controller might or might not cause issues. If you have a revision
>> 02 version, you are in for troubles. If you have a revision 05 version
>> the problems can be circumvented. And we have one report that the
>> revision 08 works very well.
> 
> ppalmers: you certainly don't talk about me? I have the r5c552 rev08, not the 
> r5c832...

I certainly am talking about you... I was also talking about the r5c556 
revisions. Missed the fact that this is about a different ricoh controller.

So my remarks are not valid for the R5C832 controller, only for the 
R5C556 controller.

Greets,

Pieter


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul 17 10:23:31 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:23:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807120759y2a6fe42ev46408fe60a08ab2d@mail.gmail.com>	<20080712111247.c76168a1.jh@brainiac.com>	<4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>

Greetings,

I'm writing this message while viewing it on my new Samsung 2253BW 
monitor. All I can say about it is that I wish I would have bought two 
of these suckers. I may yet do so, maybe I'll give the Westinghouse to Ivy.

Mark, I owe you one. This monitor is an excellent recommendation and I 
am very pleased with it. Thanks again !

Btw, from the time I first saw it listed on Pricewatch to the time I 
ordered it the price dropped $25. Next time I order one I expect an even 
lower price. Such a deal. :)

Best,

dp



From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 10:36:05 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:36:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <18494245.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <18494245.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <487F58D5.8030803@gmail.com>

Jeff Sandys wrote:
>   
> The Audio-Technica ATH-M40fs are designed for studio monitoring with a very
> flat response and have been compared favorably against the Sennheisers
> HD280Pro.  
>
> 	
>   
Mmh ok, interesting. I think 100 euro's is to much for me for the HD280 
Pro... So maybe the Audio-Technica are good for me!??

and what about the cheaper ones of Sennheiser and Audio-Technica?



From markknecht at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 10:49:07 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:49:07 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
References: <4878C301.4080009@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com> <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807170749l65dc0973ifcc69f250ad506d8@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'm writing this message while viewing it on my new Samsung 2253BW monitor.
> All I can say about it is that I wish I would have bought two of these
> suckers. I may yet do so, maybe I'll give the Westinghouse to Ivy.
>
> Mark, I owe you one. This monitor is an excellent recommendation and I am
> very pleased with it. Thanks again !
>
> Btw, from the time I first saw it listed on Pricewatch to the time I ordered
> it the price dropped $25. Next time I order one I expect an even lower
> price. Such a deal. :)
>
> Best,
>
> dp

Dave,
   Glad I can be of some small help to the guy who has helped so many of us.

   Have fun with your new purchase. I guess the 2253BW is an updated
version of the 226BW that we have. I know ours is a really fine
picture. The 8000:1 contrast and 2mS response times make it really
great for movies, video games and anything demanding. Couple it with a
high end gaming VGA - my kid spent $300 if I remember correctly - and
you get some amazing shots.

Enjoy,
Mark


From markknecht at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 11:01:29 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:01:29 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487F58D5.8030803@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <18494245.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<487F58D5.8030803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807170801r4c74c0b4oaad21274589bae63@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:36 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jeff Sandys wrote:
>>
>> The Audio-Technica ATH-M40fs are designed for studio monitoring with a very
>> flat response and have been compared favorably against the Sennheisers
>> HD280Pro.
>>
>>
>>
> Mmh ok, interesting. I think 100 euro's is to much for me for the HD280
> Pro... So maybe the Audio-Technica are good for me!??
>
> and what about the cheaper ones of Sennheiser and Audio-Technica?

As someone suggested earlier the best thing to do is go somewhere and
listen to a few sets. Not knowing where you're located I cannot give
suggestions on that, but here in California we have a few places like
Guitar Center where you can usually listen to a few different sets
before buying.

In my mind this is a no-brainer because you NEED to eventually have 3
or 4 sets, they will all sound different and you'll only figure out
which ones *you* really like by listening to a lot of material over
long periods of time. If you see the logic of buying 3 sets over the
next 18 months, then pick any one of them today and go enjoy. I think
for bass practice the 7506's are going to work out great, but they
aren't the perfect set of headphones. Surprise - none will be perfect
even at 500 euros, much less 50, but every one suggested is probably
worth owning over time.

Just my 2 euros, ;-)
Mark


From eric at zhevny.com  Thu Jul 17 12:24:18 2008
From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:18 -0500
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:23:31AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm writing this message while viewing it on my new Samsung 2253BW 
> monitor. All I can say about it is that I wish I would have bought two 
> of these suckers. I may yet do so, maybe I'll give the Westinghouse to Ivy.

A man walks into his kitchen and opens the refrigerator door. Sitting
there looking at him is a rabbit. Astonished, the man exlaims, "What are
you doing in there?!?" To which the rabbit replies, "It's a
Westinghouse, isn't it?" To which the puzzled man replies hesitantly,
"Yes ...". "Well, I'm westing," explains the rabbit.

but, seriously, I'm using a Samsung SyncMaster 225BW, too, and am
perfectly happy.

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From florin at andrei.myip.org  Thu Jul 17 17:54:22 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:54:22 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807170801r4c74c0b4oaad21274589bae63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
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Mark Knecht wrote:
> 
> for bass practice the 7506's are going to work out great, but they
> aren't the perfect set of headphones. Surprise - none will be perfect

Previously I was speaking in general. But on the particular topic of 
listening to bass, I would appreciate some more insight, since I'm not a 
bass player.
So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to 
emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?

A lot of the phones mentioned here are flat, or even a bit light on the 
bass side. Most of the Sennheiser, the AKG K 240, to some degree the 
Grado - all these are pretty flat, they don't emphasize anything, or not 
in the bass range at least.

I only know of one phone that is very accurate and has a pretty full 
bass - the Beyerdynamic DT 880, but at $320 it's beyond the price range 
mentioned by the OP.

So, do you want the bass over-emphasized when practising it?

(OTOH, if the phone is accurate, even if it has a thin bass, I guess it 
can be corrected in the preamp. But again, I'm not a bass player.)

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From florin at andrei.myip.org  Thu Jul 17 17:56:29 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:56:29 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487EFDD2.5070707@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <487E54E0.8080908@andrei.myip.org>
	<487EFDD2.5070707@gmail.com>
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schoappied wrote:
> And how is the HD 570?

I don't know, I never tried it. Read the review on headphone.com if it 
has one.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From florin at andrei.myip.org  Thu Jul 17 18:14:34 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:14:34 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
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schoappied wrote:
> So it's not recommend to use a sealed headphone when you're on the road 
> riding a bike?

I would not attempt that as long as I intend to live a long and happy 
life. :-)

> How sealed is sealed...

Look at the attenuation factor. A sealed phone should be between -10 and 
-20 dB, is my guess.

But anyway, the difference is the back of the acoustic membrane.
Sealed phones - the back moves in a closed box.
Open-air - the back is in an open cavity. There might actually be holes 
on the outside of the phone, through which you may actually see the 
membrane (not always).

> You don't make a distinction between pop/ rock music and jazz/ classic 
> music headphones?
> (by the way: Isn't a distinction between light music (eg pop/rock/ jazz) 
> and classic music better?)

Music is music, and an accurate phone is an accurate phone. What works 
best for one kind of music should work for any other kind. I think the 
so-called "phones for classic music", or whatever, are a commercial 
gimmick. The phone should not do anything. Quite the opposite, the phone 
must get out of the way and just be a pure conduit for the sound, it 
must introduce as few changes as possible.

The only exception might be when you're doing special work. E.g., you're 
mixing the tracks and you need a _very_ revealing phone to spot any 
defect. Something like a Grado might help.
I don't know what happens when playing the bass guitar. Do you want the 
bass emphasized? I'm not a bass player so I can't answer that.

Otherwise, just get the flattest and most accurate ones you can afford, 
and learn to trust them.
Like Mark said, it often helps to get two or three phones over a period 
of time, if you can afford them, and use each one of them as needed.

> There are some of this types on ebay for around 47 euro's, but I don't 
> know if I can trust it and if they're exactly the same type of the one 
> you have mentioned...
> 
> http://search.ebay.nl/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=Sennheiser+HD+280

The black ones are the 280 Pro. I have one of those. It's a very good 
sealed phone. It's flat and laid-back; people used to cheap bright 
phones are usually not impressed. It's like eating super-hot food for 
many years, tons of black pepper and what not, and then you go back to a 
subtle, refined, normal diet - your taste buds are shot and you may not 
feel any taste for a while, which is a paradox because actually only now 
you have any chance to feel the real taste of the food, instead of the 
fire from the black pepper. I hope that makes sense.
It's something that happens to a lot of people when they listen for the 
first time through flat accurate phones.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From markknecht at gmail.com  Thu Jul 17 18:35:30 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:35:30 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487FBF8E.9090706@andrei.myip.org>
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	<487F58D5.8030803@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> for bass practice the 7506's are going to work out great, but they
>> aren't the perfect set of headphones. Surprise - none will be perfect
>
> Previously I was speaking in general. But on the particular topic of
> listening to bass, I would appreciate some more insight, since I'm not a
> bass player.
> So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to
> emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?

In my mind you want the response flat to a bit emphasized in the bass
region. There are really two things operating here:

1) Fletcher-Munson tends to drop the bass if you're not listening loudly.

2) Most people have never used a sound pressure meter to determine
what volume to listen safely.

3) Even if they have it's difficult when using headphones without
special equipment.

4) Over time folks tend to listen at lower levels if they are going to
protect their hearing.

5) All of that adds up to less bass when listening

6) To practice bass get a headphone with some extra emphasis in the
bass areas, keep the volume down and enjoy.

>
> A lot of the phones mentioned here are flat, or even a bit light on the
> bass side. Most of the Sennheiser, the AKG K 240, to some degree the
> Grado - all these are pretty flat, they don't emphasize anything, or not
> in the bass range at least.
>
> I only know of one phone that is very accurate and has a pretty full
> bass - the Beyerdynamic DT 880, but at $320 it's beyond the price range
> mentioned by the OP.
>
> So, do you want the bass over-emphasized when practising it?
>
> (OTOH, if the phone is accurate, even if it has a thin bass, I guess it
> can be corrected in the preamp. But again, I'm not a bass player.)
>

That's a possibility also.

Please note that for the record I don't know what headphones are
accurate. I own AKG's, Sony's & Sennheiser's. I've never owned Grade
or Beyer Dynamics but would like to get a set on day. Comparatively
the Sony's have more bass so it seems a good match for his task. I
think lots of rock bass players (Squire, McCartney, Rutherford, Lake)
sound good in these headphones whereas the other headphones they don't
stand out as much.

- Mark

> --
> Florin Andrei
>
> http://florin.myip.org/
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From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Thu Jul 17 18:44:17 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (Svend-Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?= Madsen)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:44:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ZynAddSubFX chagneing tempo in an instruments effect ?
Message-ID: <1216334657.3588.14.camel@linux-fin4.site>

Hi
I have found one of the factory instruments useful for a new project.

It's the Resonance Synth from the Synth group, but the echo tails comes
a little to fast, they are about tempo 120 and I would like them to be
100 or even lower, how can I change that ? I've been  fidget round with
the instrument editor without any luck so far, and I do not understand
how it works at all, I just want to play :(


Help is much appreciated.

Thanks in advantage

/Sv-e



From florin at andrei.myip.org  Thu Jul 17 18:47:52 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:47:52 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <8d27a0610807170429l3da6762ehec5c006139786c77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <487E664B.8080802@andrei.myip.org>
	<8d27a0610807170429l3da6762ehec5c006139786c77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487FCC18.7050107@andrei.myip.org>

Paul Coccoli wrote:
> 
> I love my Grado SR-60s.  I think I paid $65US.  Yes, they are on the
> bright side, but I like that.

Well, there you have it. Everyone is different.

> They're not the most comfortable pair
> of headphones, but not too bad.

That is the only other negative comment I hear about Grado. I don't care 
too much about that. Yes, they're not like the HD 600, which you can 
fall asleep with and sleep through the night with them on (been there, 
done that) and in the morning you forget you had them on (until you get 
up and start walking and the cord yanks them back).
But it's not like they're going to rip your ears off or crush your head 
either. They're fine for me. But some people do complain about the 
ergonomics. OTOH, somebody will always complain about something.

I've heard there are some custom earpads for them, but I could never 
motivate myself to actually investigate that. And who knows, the custom 
pads may change the response and throw them off balance. So why mess 
with something that works fine already.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From rncbc at rncbc.org  Thu Jul 17 19:20:42 2008
From: rncbc at rncbc.org (Rui Nuno Capela)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:20:42 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qtractor 0.2.0 (frolic demoiselle) is out!
Message-ID: <487FD3CA.2050009@rncbc.org>

Qtractor 0.2.0 (frolic demoiselle) is out!
------------------------------------------

Qtractor is an audio/MIDI multi-track sequencer application written in 
C++ with the Qt4 framework [1]. Target platform is Linux, where the a 
Jack Audio Connection Kit (JACK)  for audio [2] and the Advanced Linux 
Sound Architecture (ALSA) for MIDI [3] are the main infrastructures to 
evolve as a fairly-featured Linux desktop audio workstation GUI, 
specially dedicated to the personal home-studio.

Qtractor is free open-source software, distributed under the GNU General 
Public License (GPL) [15].

Author:

   Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc dot org>

Weblog:

   http://wwww.rncbc.org

Website:

   http://qtractor.sourceforge.net

Project page:

   http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor

Download:

   http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.2.0.tar.gz


Executive summary:

- Multi-track audio and MIDI sequencing and recording.
- Developed on pure Qt4 C++ application framework [1] (no Qt3 nor KDE 
dependency).
- Uses JACK [2] for audio and ALSA [3] sequencer for MIDI as 
infrastructure.
- Traditional multi-track tape recorder control paradigm.
- Audio file formats support: OGG (via libvorbis [6]), MP3 (via libmad 
[7], playback only), WAV, FLAC, AIFF and many, many more (via linsndfile 
[4]).
- Standard MIDI files support (format 0 and 1).
- Non-destructive, non-linear editing.
- Unlimited number of tracks per session/project.
- Unlimited number of overlapping clips per track.
- XML encoded session/project description files (SDI).
- Point-and-click, multi-select, drag-and-drop interaction (drag, move, 
drop, cut, copy, paste, delete, split)
- Unlimited undo/redo.
- Built-in mixer and monitor controls.
- Buil-in connection patchbay control and persistence (a-la QjackCtl [13]).
- LADSPA [5], DSSI [11] and native VSTi [12] plug-in support.
- Unlimited number of plug-ins per track or bus.
- Plug-in presets, programs and chunk/configurations support.
- Audio/MIDI clip fade-in/out (linear, quadratic, cubic).
- Audio clip time-stretching (WSOLA-like or via librubberband [9]), 
pitch-shifting (vib librubberband [9]) and samplerate conversion (via 
libsamplerate [8]).
- Audio/MIDI track export (mix-down, merge).
- Audio/MIDI metronome bar/beat clicks.
- MIDI clip editor (piano roll).
- MIDI instrument definitions (a-la Cakewalk(tm) [15])
- JACK transport sync master.
- MMC control surface enabled.
- Configurable keyboard shortcuts.


Requirements:

Mandatory: libqt4 [1], libjack [2], libasound [3], libsndfile [4], 
LADSPA [5]. Optional: libvorbis [6], libmad [7], libsamplerate [8], 
librubberband [9], liblo [10], DSSI [11], VST-SDK [12].


Disclaimer:

Qtractor is still in some alpha stage of development, although already 
functional it surely has a plenty of lurking bugs. It also lacks some 
features that some might find critical in the application field. All is 
not lost, as the following are among the ones planned to be worked on in 
the times to come (not in any particular order):

- Automation and MIDI controller mapping.
- Session/project templates.
- Puch-in/out and loop recording (takes).
- Audio clip cross-fading.
- Audio effect send/return aux. inserts.
- Clip locking, muting, normalize (gain).
- LV2 plug-in support.
- JACK MIDI support.
- Tempo and key signature map.
- Paste-repeat command.
- MIDI SysEx manager.
- MIDI event list editor.
- MIDI editor (piano roll) draw mode.
- MIDI groove/swing quantize.
- OSC interface.
- Scripting.
- Etc. etc.


Change-log:

2009-07-18  0.2.0  The Frolic Demoiselle

- MIDI clip filename revision logic is now introduced, thus avoiding the 
proliferation of several numbered SMF's on each edit/save; some lurking 
bugs were exposed in the MIDI clip externalization method but promptly 
squashed.

- Fixed a mouse release event glitch while in drag-and-drop items in the 
Files tree list widget.

- A dummy plugin type option has been devised, just to bear with some 
troubled behavior of the lovely JUCETICE plugins 
(View/Options.../Plugins/Experimental/Dummy VST plugin scan). Bad news 
are that all, yes all as in every native VST plugins, are 
indistinguishable from being just pure audio effects, either mono or 
stereo, whatever, and thus all being considered full-blown stereo VSTi 
instruments (which are the vast mainstream and rather interesting 
majority, nevertheless:).

- The plugin selection dialog (Add Plugin...) now features the option 
whether the selected plugins should be activated on insert.

- Mixer strip titles now have distinguishable type icons, either for 
audio or MIDI, and shown on all buses and track strips.

- Major optimization breakthrough: muted audio tracks aren't streamed 
any longer, saving precious CPU cycles from decoding, resampling, 
pitch-shifting, time-stretching, plugin effects, whatever.

- Incredible as it might be, audio/MIDI track record monitoring is now 
mixed (or merged) with rolling playback content, thus not as mutually 
exclusive between record and playback states anymore; also, track 
mute/solo states doesn't apply to recording material anymore.

- Main form timer slot gets corrected and now independent of current 
process buffer-size in regard to JACK transport synchronization.

- All file references in session state file are now stored as relative 
paths to main session directory.

- DSSI/VSTi plugin presets can now be explicitly recalled from file (ie. 
Open/load preset) through this new tool button whether visible while in 
the generic plugin form.

- Due to some trouble with newer Qt >= 4.4 applications regarding font 
size configuration, a new global user option is now available to the 
rescue: View/Options... /Display/Base font size (default is no-op).

- Logarithmic scale is now taken into effect by control parameter 
sliders, in the generic plugin editor dialog as provided by LADSPA and 
DSSI plugin types.

- MIDI track bank/program does not default to zero (PC#0) anymore.

- Second attempt for Qt4.4 build support, regarding the bundled atomic 
primitives, now corrected and way more seriously :).

- Long due DSSI/VSTi plugin host implementation has taken shape for MIDI 
instruments (eg. soft-synth plugins); DSSI reached its full host 
implementation and VSTi is already kicking as well (HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL).

- DSSI/VSTi plugin presets may now be stored to external XML files, 
which should include all parameter values and configuration data chunks, 
taken as proper state snapshot and subject for recall.

- Dedicated audio output bus option is now also accessible for all MIDI 
instrument plugins, either set globally as a default mode in 
View/Options.../Plugins/Instruments or in the plugin context menu for 
MIDI tracks, as an undoable command.

- Fixed a potential crash-exception due to freeing a null-pointer, 
raised on some ever stringent platforms and while adding tracks to empty 
sessions, which is the same to say this was crashing more than always:).

- Loop turn-around is now taken care of, as this has been found missing 
and causing noticeable gapping when un-muting or changing MIDI track 
events while in playback.

- An off-by-one bug was fixed while inside MIDI cursor backward seek 
method, which was missing all other events that have the same exact 
onset timing.

- Attempt to load Qt's own translation support and get rid of the ever 
warning startup message, unless built in debug mode. (transaction by 
Guido Scholz, while on qsynth-devel, thanks).

- Only one application instance is now allowed to be up and running, 
with immediate but graceful termination upon startup iif an already 
running instance is detected, which will see its main widget shown up 
automatically (Qt/X11 platform only).

- Clip fades have now a slight transparency.

- Avoid loop read-ahead on initial audio clip loading.

- Messages file logging makes its first long overdue appearance, with 
user configurable settings in View/Options.../Logging; options dialog 
was slightly rearranged and moved the Plugins section into a new tab page.

- Audio/MIDI drifting correction was missing its own correct and due 
(re)initialization whenever playback is (re)started; also, MIDI metering 
synchronization has been fixed once again.

- Fixed session cursor backward seeking, specially applicable when 
playback passes the end of overlapped clips.

- Fixed potential crash when opening bogus audio files.

- Time-stretch FIFO buffer implementation is now made generic, as 
template, fixing a destructor memory leak in the process.

- Include legacy headers, stdlib.h and string.h, where necessary to 
build with stricter gcc/g++ >= 4.3.


References:

[1]  Qt4 (core, gui, xml), C++ class library and tools
      for crossplatform development and internationalization
      http://www.trolltech.org/products/qt/

[2]  JACK Audio Connection Kit
      http://jackaudio.org/

[3]  ALSA, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
      http://www.alsa-project.org/

[4]  libsndfile, C library for reading and writing
      files containing sampled sound
      http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/

[5]  LADSPA, Linux Audio Developer's Simple Plugin API
      http://www.ladspa.org/

[6]  libvorbis (enc, file), Ogg Vorbis audio compression
      http://xiph.org/vorbis/

[7]  libmad, High-quality MPEG audio decoder
      http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/

[8]  libsamplerate, The secret rabbit code, C library
      for audio sample rate conversion
      http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/

[9]  librubberband, Rubber Band Audio Time Stretcher,
      an audio time-stretching and pitch-shifting library
      http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/

[10] liblo, Lightweight OSC implementation
      (needed for DSSI GUI support)
      http://liblo.sourceforge.net/

[11] DSSI, an API for soft synth plugins with custom user interfaces
      http://dssi.sourceforge.net/

[12] VST SDK, Steinberg's Virtual Studio Technology (see README.VST)
      http://www.steinberg.net/

[13] QjackCtl - JACK Qt GUI Interface
      http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net

[14] GNU General Public License
      http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html

[15] Cakewalk (by Roland), powerful and easy-to-use tools
      for Windows-based music and sound production
      http://www.cakewalk.com/


Cheers && Enjoy.
-- 
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela



From schoappied at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 05:31:05 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:31:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807171535h7d226fa8n8f14c64a6ab1aa03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<18494245.post@talk.nabble.com>	<487F58D5.8030803@gmail.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807170801r4c74c0b4oaad21274589bae63@mail.gmail.com>	<487FBF8E.9090706@andrei.myip.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807171535h7d226fa8n8f14c64a6ab1aa03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488062D9.7090407@gmail.com>

Mark Knecht wrote:
>> So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to
>> emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?
>>     
>
> 6) To practice bass get a headphone with some extra emphasis in the
> bass areas, keep the volume down and enjoy.
>
>   
>
That's a good point... what is good for practising bass...

Maybe this one. It got nice reviews and they have extra emphasis on the 
bass..

http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/sennheiser-hd-212-pro.php


mmhh


From sstubbs at shout.net  Fri Jul 18 09:11:50 2008
From: sstubbs at shout.net (The Other)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:11:50 -0500
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <487FCC18.7050107@andrei.myip.org>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <487E664B.8080802@andrei.myip.org>
	<8d27a0610807170429l3da6762ehec5c006139786c77@mail.gmail.com>
	<487FCC18.7050107@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <1216386710.3792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Yamaha RH-5Ma monitor headphones.  Around $50 US.

Semi-closed cup design, so you can ride your bicycle.
Weight 5.8oz
Sensitivity 98dB/mW
Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz

Works for me.

Stephen.




From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 09:47:53 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:47:53 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <488062D9.7090407@gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <18494245.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<487F58D5.8030803@gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807170801r4c74c0b4oaad21274589bae63@mail.gmail.com>
	<487FBF8E.9090706@andrei.myip.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807171535h7d226fa8n8f14c64a6ab1aa03@mail.gmail.com>
	<488062D9.7090407@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:31 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to
>>> emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?
>>>
>>
>> 6) To practice bass get a headphone with some extra emphasis in the
>> bass areas, keep the volume down and enjoy.
>>
>>
>>
> That's a good point... what is good for practising bass...
>
> Maybe this one. It got nice reviews and they have extra emphasis on the
> bass..
>
> http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/sennheiser-hd-212-pro.php
>

I think there are too many issues here to pick one out by looking at
web pages. A number of folks have given you suggestions for headphones
that would more or less meet you 50 euro criteria. The issue is that
not only do your headphones need to sound good, they need to feel good
if you're going to wear them for extended amounts of time. You're not
really going to figure this out without finding someplace where you
can try a few pair out so go look for that.

You might also check out the 'Best Headphones' section of your web
site for their guidance. They like a Grado model in that price range
and their frequency response chart for the Grado does look better, at
least to my eyes.

Also, I was reading about their favorite headphone, a Denon model, and
they made the point that it doesn't sound all that good with portable
music devices. Only once they match it with a high end headphone amp
does it really shine. Now, my point is NOT that you should buy a high
end amp, but that you need to listen to the headphones you are
interested in using the same equipment you intended to drive them
with.

Anyway, enough talk. Go listen, make sure the sound is reasonable, and
then buy a set and work with them. I've made the point on this list a
few times that I bought a $1000 set of studio monitors over Ebay. Good
reviews, folks liked them. They arrived and I hated the sound, but I'd
spent my money. I was disappointed for a couple of months, but over
time I both got used to their sound and also got educated in placing
them more effectively. Now I actually like their sound and do good
mixes on them, but it wasn't that way in the beginning.

Cheers,
Mark


From florin at andrei.myip.org  Fri Jul 18 14:08:35 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:08:35 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
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The Other wrote:
> 
> Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz

Never EVER trust that indication. It's _always_ useless. Everybody just 
twists and bends the definition so much that they can essentially put 
any numbers there. It's worse than useless, it's misleading.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From nathan.hale at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 14:35:02 2008
From: nathan.hale at gmail.com (Nathan Hale)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:35:02 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 17, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1216396802.4642.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.3.1216396802.4642.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <b51dc2fd0807181135y64774fcnebbfa23e3da3e6fe@mail.gmail.com>

I also have a Samsung SyncMaster 2253BW. Can't go wrong!
~Nathan R. Hale
Rom. 12:2

------M y W e b s i t e s----------------------------------------------
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http://productivelinux.com - get stuff done w/Linux!
http://linuxmusicians.com - create music freely
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>   1. Re: monitor shot, need advice for a new one
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>   2. Re: headphones (Florin Andrei)
>   3. Re: headphones (Florin Andrei)
>   4. Re: headphones (Florin Andrei)
>   5. Re: headphones (Mark Knecht)
>   6. ZynAddSubFX chagneing tempo in an instruments effect ?
>      (Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen)
>   7. Re: headphones (Florin Andrei)
>   8. [ANN] Qtractor 0.2.0 (frolic demoiselle) is out! (Rui Nuno Capela)
>   9. Re: headphones (schoappied)
>  10. Re: headphones (The Other)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:18 -0500
> From: Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <eric at zhevny.com>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
> To: Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com>
> Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID: <20080717162417.GC29690 at zhevny.com>
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> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:23:31AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I'm writing this message while viewing it on my new Samsung 2253BW
>> monitor. All I can say about it is that I wish I would have bought two
>> of these suckers. I may yet do so, maybe I'll give the Westinghouse to Ivy.
>
> A man walks into his kitchen and opens the refrigerator door. Sitting
> there looking at him is a rabbit. Astonished, the man exlaims, "What are
> you doing in there?!?" To which the rabbit replies, "It's a
> Westinghouse, isn't it?" To which the puzzled man replies hesitantly,
> "Yes ...". "Well, I'm westing," explains the rabbit.
>
> but, seriously, I'm using a Samsung SyncMaster 225BW, too, and am
> perfectly happy.
>
> --
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> believed to be clean.
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:54:22 -0700
> From: Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> Message-ID: <487FBF8E.9090706 at andrei.myip.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> for bass practice the 7506's are going to work out great, but they
>> aren't the perfect set of headphones. Surprise - none will be perfect
>
> Previously I was speaking in general. But on the particular topic of
> listening to bass, I would appreciate some more insight, since I'm not a
> bass player.
> So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to
> emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?
>
> A lot of the phones mentioned here are flat, or even a bit light on the
> bass side. Most of the Sennheiser, the AKG K 240, to some degree the
> Grado - all these are pretty flat, they don't emphasize anything, or not
> in the bass range at least.
>
> I only know of one phone that is very accurate and has a pretty full
> bass - the Beyerdynamic DT 880, but at $320 it's beyond the price range
> mentioned by the OP.
>
> So, do you want the bass over-emphasized when practising it?
>
> (OTOH, if the phone is accurate, even if it has a thin bass, I guess it
> can be corrected in the preamp. But again, I'm not a bass player.)
>
> --
> Florin Andrei
>
> http://florin.myip.org/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:56:29 -0700
> From: Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID: <487FC00D.1010301 at andrei.myip.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> schoappied wrote:
>> And how is the HD 570?
>
> I don't know, I never tried it. Read the review on headphone.com if it
> has one.
>
> --
> Florin Andrei
>
> http://florin.myip.org/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:14:34 -0700
> From: Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID: <487FC44A.4070102 at andrei.myip.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> schoappied wrote:
>> So it's not recommend to use a sealed headphone when you're on the road
>> riding a bike?
>
> I would not attempt that as long as I intend to live a long and happy
> life. :-)
>
>> How sealed is sealed...
>
> Look at the attenuation factor. A sealed phone should be between -10 and
> -20 dB, is my guess.
>
> But anyway, the difference is the back of the acoustic membrane.
> Sealed phones - the back moves in a closed box.
> Open-air - the back is in an open cavity. There might actually be holes
> on the outside of the phone, through which you may actually see the
> membrane (not always).
>
>> You don't make a distinction between pop/ rock music and jazz/ classic
>> music headphones?
>> (by the way: Isn't a distinction between light music (eg pop/rock/ jazz)
>> and classic music better?)
>
> Music is music, and an accurate phone is an accurate phone. What works
> best for one kind of music should work for any other kind. I think the
> so-called "phones for classic music", or whatever, are a commercial
> gimmick. The phone should not do anything. Quite the opposite, the phone
> must get out of the way and just be a pure conduit for the sound, it
> must introduce as few changes as possible.
>
> The only exception might be when you're doing special work. E.g., you're
> mixing the tracks and you need a _very_ revealing phone to spot any
> defect. Something like a Grado might help.
> I don't know what happens when playing the bass guitar. Do you want the
> bass emphasized? I'm not a bass player so I can't answer that.
>
> Otherwise, just get the flattest and most accurate ones you can afford,
> and learn to trust them.
> Like Mark said, it often helps to get two or three phones over a period
> of time, if you can afford them, and use each one of them as needed.
>
>> There are some of this types on ebay for around 47 euro's, but I don't
>> know if I can trust it and if they're exactly the same type of the one
>> you have mentioned...
>>
>> http://search.ebay.nl/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=Sennheiser+HD+280
>
> The black ones are the 280 Pro. I have one of those. It's a very good
> sealed phone. It's flat and laid-back; people used to cheap bright
> phones are usually not impressed. It's like eating super-hot food for
> many years, tons of black pepper and what not, and then you go back to a
> subtle, refined, normal diet - your taste buds are shot and you may not
> feel any taste for a while, which is a paradox because actually only now
> you have any chance to feel the real taste of the food, instead of the
> fire from the black pepper. I hope that makes sense.
> It's something that happens to a lot of people when they listen for the
> first time through flat accurate phones.
>
> --
> Florin Andrei
>
> http://florin.myip.org/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:35:30 -0700
> From: "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <5bdc1c8b0807171535h7d226fa8n8f14c64a6ab1aa03 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org> wrote:
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
>>> for bass practice the 7506's are going to work out great, but they
>>> aren't the perfect set of headphones. Surprise - none will be perfect
>>
>> Previously I was speaking in general. But on the particular topic of
>> listening to bass, I would appreciate some more insight, since I'm not a
>> bass player.
>> So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to
>> emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?
>
> In my mind you want the response flat to a bit emphasized in the bass
> region. There are really two things operating here:
>
> 1) Fletcher-Munson tends to drop the bass if you're not listening loudly.
>
> 2) Most people have never used a sound pressure meter to determine
> what volume to listen safely.
>
> 3) Even if they have it's difficult when using headphones without
> special equipment.
>
> 4) Over time folks tend to listen at lower levels if they are going to
> protect their hearing.
>
> 5) All of that adds up to less bass when listening
>
> 6) To practice bass get a headphone with some extra emphasis in the
> bass areas, keep the volume down and enjoy.
>
>>
>> A lot of the phones mentioned here are flat, or even a bit light on the
>> bass side. Most of the Sennheiser, the AKG K 240, to some degree the
>> Grado - all these are pretty flat, they don't emphasize anything, or not
>> in the bass range at least.
>>
>> I only know of one phone that is very accurate and has a pretty full
>> bass - the Beyerdynamic DT 880, but at $320 it's beyond the price range
>> mentioned by the OP.
>>
>> So, do you want the bass over-emphasized when practising it?
>>
>> (OTOH, if the phone is accurate, even if it has a thin bass, I guess it
>> can be corrected in the preamp. But again, I'm not a bass player.)
>>
>
> That's a possibility also.
>
> Please note that for the record I don't know what headphones are
> accurate. I own AKG's, Sony's & Sennheiser's. I've never owned Grade
> or Beyer Dynamics but would like to get a set on day. Comparatively
> the Sony's have more bass so it seems a good match for his task. I
> think lots of rock bass players (Squire, McCartney, Rutherford, Lake)
> sound good in these headphones whereas the other headphones they don't
> stand out as much.
>
> - Mark
>
>> --
>> Florin Andrei
>>
>> http://florin.myip.org/
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:44:17 +0200
> From: Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen <sv-e at sv-e.dk>
> Subject: [LAU] ZynAddSubFX chagneing tempo in an instruments effect ?
> To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID: <1216334657.3588.14.camel at linux-fin4.site>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hi
> I have found one of the factory instruments useful for a new project.
>
> It's the Resonance Synth from the Synth group, but the echo tails comes
> a little to fast, they are about tempo 120 and I would like them to be
> 100 or even lower, how can I change that ? I've been  fidget round with
> the instrument editor without any luck so far, and I do not understand
> how it works at all, I just want to play :(
>
>
> Help is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advantage
>
> /Sv-e
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:47:52 -0700
> From: Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID: <487FCC18.7050107 at andrei.myip.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Paul Coccoli wrote:
>>
>> I love my Grado SR-60s.  I think I paid $65US.  Yes, they are on the
>> bright side, but I like that.
>
> Well, there you have it. Everyone is different.
>
>> They're not the most comfortable pair
>> of headphones, but not too bad.
>
> That is the only other negative comment I hear about Grado. I don't care
> too much about that. Yes, they're not like the HD 600, which you can
> fall asleep with and sleep through the night with them on (been there,
> done that) and in the morning you forget you had them on (until you get
> up and start walking and the cord yanks them back).
> But it's not like they're going to rip your ears off or crush your head
> either. They're fine for me. But some people do complain about the
> ergonomics. OTOH, somebody will always complain about something.
>
> I've heard there are some custom earpads for them, but I could never
> motivate myself to actually investigate that. And who knows, the custom
> pads may change the response and throw them off balance. So why mess
> with something that works fine already.
>
> --
> Florin Andrei
>
> http://florin.myip.org/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:20:42 +0100
> From: Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc.org>
> Subject: [LAU] [ANN] Qtractor 0.2.0 (frolic demoiselle) is out!
> To: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> Message-ID: <487FD3CA.2050009 at rncbc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Qtractor 0.2.0 (frolic demoiselle) is out!
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Qtractor is an audio/MIDI multi-track sequencer application written in
> C++ with the Qt4 framework [1]. Target platform is Linux, where the a
> Jack Audio Connection Kit (JACK)  for audio [2] and the Advanced Linux
> Sound Architecture (ALSA) for MIDI [3] are the main infrastructures to
> evolve as a fairly-featured Linux desktop audio workstation GUI,
> specially dedicated to the personal home-studio.
>
> Qtractor is free open-source software, distributed under the GNU General
> Public License (GPL) [15].
>
> Author:
>
>   Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc at rncbc dot org>
>
> Weblog:
>
>   http://wwww.rncbc.org
>
> Website:
>
>   http://qtractor.sourceforge.net
>
> Project page:
>
>   http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtractor
>
> Download:
>
>   http://downloads.sourceforge.net/qtractor/qtractor-0.2.0.tar.gz
>
>
> Executive summary:
>
> - Multi-track audio and MIDI sequencing and recording.
> - Developed on pure Qt4 C++ application framework [1] (no Qt3 nor KDE
> dependency).
> - Uses JACK [2] for audio and ALSA [3] sequencer for MIDI as
> infrastructure.
> - Traditional multi-track tape recorder control paradigm.
> - Audio file formats support: OGG (via libvorbis [6]), MP3 (via libmad
> [7], playback only), WAV, FLAC, AIFF and many, many more (via linsndfile
> [4]).
> - Standard MIDI files support (format 0 and 1).
> - Non-destructive, non-linear editing.
> - Unlimited number of tracks per session/project.
> - Unlimited number of overlapping clips per track.
> - XML encoded session/project description files (SDI).
> - Point-and-click, multi-select, drag-and-drop interaction (drag, move,
> drop, cut, copy, paste, delete, split)
> - Unlimited undo/redo.
> - Built-in mixer and monitor controls.
> - Buil-in connection patchbay control and persistence (a-la QjackCtl [13]).
> - LADSPA [5], DSSI [11] and native VSTi [12] plug-in support.
> - Unlimited number of plug-ins per track or bus.
> - Plug-in presets, programs and chunk/configurations support.
> - Audio/MIDI clip fade-in/out (linear, quadratic, cubic).
> - Audio clip time-stretching (WSOLA-like or via librubberband [9]),
> pitch-shifting (vib librubberband [9]) and samplerate conversion (via
> libsamplerate [8]).
> - Audio/MIDI track export (mix-down, merge).
> - Audio/MIDI metronome bar/beat clicks.
> - MIDI clip editor (piano roll).
> - MIDI instrument definitions (a-la Cakewalk(tm) [15])
> - JACK transport sync master.
> - MMC control surface enabled.
> - Configurable keyboard shortcuts.
>
>
> Requirements:
>
> Mandatory: libqt4 [1], libjack [2], libasound [3], libsndfile [4],
> LADSPA [5]. Optional: libvorbis [6], libmad [7], libsamplerate [8],
> librubberband [9], liblo [10], DSSI [11], VST-SDK [12].
>
>
> Disclaimer:
>
> Qtractor is still in some alpha stage of development, although already
> functional it surely has a plenty of lurking bugs. It also lacks some
> features that some might find critical in the application field. All is
> not lost, as the following are among the ones planned to be worked on in
> the times to come (not in any particular order):
>
> - Automation and MIDI controller mapping.
> - Session/project templates.
> - Puch-in/out and loop recording (takes).
> - Audio clip cross-fading.
> - Audio effect send/return aux. inserts.
> - Clip locking, muting, normalize (gain).
> - LV2 plug-in support.
> - JACK MIDI support.
> - Tempo and key signature map.
> - Paste-repeat command.
> - MIDI SysEx manager.
> - MIDI event list editor.
> - MIDI editor (piano roll) draw mode.
> - MIDI groove/swing quantize.
> - OSC interface.
> - Scripting.
> - Etc. etc.
>
>
> Change-log:
>
> 2009-07-18  0.2.0  The Frolic Demoiselle
>
> - MIDI clip filename revision logic is now introduced, thus avoiding the
> proliferation of several numbered SMF's on each edit/save; some lurking
> bugs were exposed in the MIDI clip externalization method but promptly
> squashed.
>
> - Fixed a mouse release event glitch while in drag-and-drop items in the
> Files tree list widget.
>
> - A dummy plugin type option has been devised, just to bear with some
> troubled behavior of the lovely JUCETICE plugins
> (View/Options.../Plugins/Experimental/Dummy VST plugin scan). Bad news
> are that all, yes all as in every native VST plugins, are
> indistinguishable from being just pure audio effects, either mono or
> stereo, whatever, and thus all being considered full-blown stereo VSTi
> instruments (which are the vast mainstream and rather interesting
> majority, nevertheless:).
>
> - The plugin selection dialog (Add Plugin...) now features the option
> whether the selected plugins should be activated on insert.
>
> - Mixer strip titles now have distinguishable type icons, either for
> audio or MIDI, and shown on all buses and track strips.
>
> - Major optimization breakthrough: muted audio tracks aren't streamed
> any longer, saving precious CPU cycles from decoding, resampling,
> pitch-shifting, time-stretching, plugin effects, whatever.
>
> - Incredible as it might be, audio/MIDI track record monitoring is now
> mixed (or merged) with rolling playback content, thus not as mutually
> exclusive between record and playback states anymore; also, track
> mute/solo states doesn't apply to recording material anymore.
>
> - Main form timer slot gets corrected and now independent of current
> process buffer-size in regard to JACK transport synchronization.
>
> - All file references in session state file are now stored as relative
> paths to main session directory.
>
> - DSSI/VSTi plugin presets can now be explicitly recalled from file (ie.
> Open/load preset) through this new tool button whether visible while in
> the generic plugin form.
>
> - Due to some trouble with newer Qt >= 4.4 applications regarding font
> size configuration, a new global user option is now available to the
> rescue: View/Options... /Display/Base font size (default is no-op).
>
> - Logarithmic scale is now taken into effect by control parameter
> sliders, in the generic plugin editor dialog as provided by LADSPA and
> DSSI plugin types.
>
> - MIDI track bank/program does not default to zero (PC#0) anymore.
>
> - Second attempt for Qt4.4 build support, regarding the bundled atomic
> primitives, now corrected and way more seriously :).
>
> - Long due DSSI/VSTi plugin host implementation has taken shape for MIDI
> instruments (eg. soft-synth plugins); DSSI reached its full host
> implementation and VSTi is already kicking as well (HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL).
>
> - DSSI/VSTi plugin presets may now be stored to external XML files,
> which should include all parameter values and configuration data chunks,
> taken as proper state snapshot and subject for recall.
>
> - Dedicated audio output bus option is now also accessible for all MIDI
> instrument plugins, either set globally as a default mode in
> View/Options.../Plugins/Instruments or in the plugin context menu for
> MIDI tracks, as an undoable command.
>
> - Fixed a potential crash-exception due to freeing a null-pointer,
> raised on some ever stringent platforms and while adding tracks to empty
> sessions, which is the same to say this was crashing more than always:).
>
> - Loop turn-around is now taken care of, as this has been found missing
> and causing noticeable gapping when un-muting or changing MIDI track
> events while in playback.
>
> - An off-by-one bug was fixed while inside MIDI cursor backward seek
> method, which was missing all other events that have the same exact
> onset timing.
>
> - Attempt to load Qt's own translation support and get rid of the ever
> warning startup message, unless built in debug mode. (transaction by
> Guido Scholz, while on qsynth-devel, thanks).
>
> - Only one application instance is now allowed to be up and running,
> with immediate but graceful termination upon startup iif an already
> running instance is detected, which will see its main widget shown up
> automatically (Qt/X11 platform only).
>
> - Clip fades have now a slight transparency.
>
> - Avoid loop read-ahead on initial audio clip loading.
>
> - Messages file logging makes its first long overdue appearance, with
> user configurable settings in View/Options.../Logging; options dialog
> was slightly rearranged and moved the Plugins section into a new tab page.
>
> - Audio/MIDI drifting correction was missing its own correct and due
> (re)initialization whenever playback is (re)started; also, MIDI metering
> synchronization has been fixed once again.
>
> - Fixed session cursor backward seeking, specially applicable when
> playback passes the end of overlapped clips.
>
> - Fixed potential crash when opening bogus audio files.
>
> - Time-stretch FIFO buffer implementation is now made generic, as
> template, fixing a destructor memory leak in the process.
>
> - Include legacy headers, stdlib.h and string.h, where necessary to
> build with stricter gcc/g++ >= 4.3.
>
>
> References:
>
> [1]  Qt4 (core, gui, xml), C++ class library and tools
>      for crossplatform development and internationalization
>      http://www.trolltech.org/products/qt/
>
> [2]  JACK Audio Connection Kit
>      http://jackaudio.org/
>
> [3]  ALSA, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
>      http://www.alsa-project.org/
>
> [4]  libsndfile, C library for reading and writing
>      files containing sampled sound
>      http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/
>
> [5]  LADSPA, Linux Audio Developer's Simple Plugin API
>      http://www.ladspa.org/
>
> [6]  libvorbis (enc, file), Ogg Vorbis audio compression
>      http://xiph.org/vorbis/
>
> [7]  libmad, High-quality MPEG audio decoder
>      http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/
>
> [8]  libsamplerate, The secret rabbit code, C library
>      for audio sample rate conversion
>      http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/
>
> [9]  librubberband, Rubber Band Audio Time Stretcher,
>      an audio time-stretching and pitch-shifting library
>      http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/
>
> [10] liblo, Lightweight OSC implementation
>      (needed for DSSI GUI support)
>      http://liblo.sourceforge.net/
>
> [11] DSSI, an API for soft synth plugins with custom user interfaces
>      http://dssi.sourceforge.net/
>
> [12] VST SDK, Steinberg's Virtual Studio Technology (see README.VST)
>      http://www.steinberg.net/
>
> [13] QjackCtl - JACK Qt GUI Interface
>      http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net
>
> [14] GNU General Public License
>      http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
>
> [15] Cakewalk (by Roland), powerful and easy-to-use tools
>      for Windows-based music and sound production
>      http://www.cakewalk.com/
>
>
> Cheers && Enjoy.
> --
> rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:31:05 +0200
> From: schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID: <488062D9.7090407 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to
>>> emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?
>>>
>>
>> 6) To practice bass get a headphone with some extra emphasis in the
>> bass areas, keep the volume down and enjoy.
>>
>>
>>
> That's a good point... what is good for practising bass...
>
> Maybe this one. It got nice reviews and they have extra emphasis on the
> bass..
>
> http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/sennheiser-hd-212-pro.php
>
>
> mmhh
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:11:50 -0500
> From: The Other <sstubbs at shout.net>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID: <1216386710.3792.5.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Yamaha RH-5Ma monitor headphones.  Around $50 US.
>
> Semi-closed cup design, so you can ride your bicycle.
> Weight 5.8oz
> Sensitivity 98dB/mW
> Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz
>
> Works for me.
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:47:53 -0700
> From: "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] headphones
> To: schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>
> Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <5bdc1c8b0807180647o4701487di1180ce2fc488beee at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:31 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>> So, if you're practising bass guitar, do you want your headphones to
>>>> emphasize bass, or do you want them to be flat?
>>>>
>>>
>>> 6) To practice bass get a headphone with some extra emphasis in the
>>> bass areas, keep the volume down and enjoy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That's a good point... what is good for practising bass...
>>
>> Maybe this one. It got nice reviews and they have extra emphasis on the
>> bass..
>>
>> http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/all-headphones/sennheiser-hd-212-pro.php
>>
>
> I think there are too many issues here to pick one out by looking at
> web pages. A number of folks have given you suggestions for headphones
> that would more or less meet you 50 euro criteria. The issue is that
> not only do your headphones need to sound good, they need to feel good
> if you're going to wear them for extended amounts of time. You're not
> really going to figure this out without finding someplace where you
> can try a few pair out so go look for that.
>
> You might also check out the 'Best Headphones' section of your web
> site for their guidance. They like a Grado model in that price range
> and their frequency response chart for the Grado does look better, at
> least to my eyes.
>
> Also, I was reading about their favorite headphone, a Denon model, and
> they made the point that it doesn't sound all that good with portable
> music devices. Only once they match it with a high end headphone amp
> does it really shine. Now, my point is NOT that you should buy a high
> end amp, but that you need to listen to the headphones you are
> interested in using the same equipment you intended to drive them
> with.
>
> Anyway, enough talk. Go listen, make sure the sound is reasonable, and
> then buy a set and work with them. I've made the point on this list a
> few times that I bought a $1000 set of studio monitors over Ebay. Good
> reviews, folks liked them. They arrived and I hated the sound, but I'd
> spent my money. I was disappointed for a couple of months, but over
> time I both got used to their sound and also got educated in placing
> them more effectively. Now I actually like their sound and do good
> mixes on them, but it wasn't that way in the beginning.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>
>
> End of Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 17, Issue 25
> ************************************************
>


From marco at marcochapeau.org  Fri Jul 18 14:51:24 2008
From: marco at marcochapeau.org (MarcOChapeau)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:51:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Replying to digests (Was:  Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 17,
	Issue 25)
In-Reply-To: <b51dc2fd0807181135y64774fcnebbfa23e3da3e6fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1216396802.4642.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<b51dc2fd0807181135y64774fcnebbfa23e3da3e6fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b1accfff3984ec9711e49568560184f@localhost>

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:35:02 -0500, "Nathan Hale" <nathan.hale at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I also have a Samsung SyncMaster 2253BW. Can't go wrong!
> ~Nathan R. Hale
> Rom. 12:2

Hi,

I don't feel like doing that on a Friday evening, but it seems a little
reminder might be a good idea. This is of course not pointed specifically
to Nathan, but to all members.

1. Don't reply to digests
2. If you really feel the urge to reply to a digest, at least change the
topic to something sensible
3. If you really feel the urge to reply to a digest, try to say something
really useful
4. DO NOT EVER post the whole digest in your reply. This is a high traffic
list, so digests tend to be quite BIG

Thank you for your attention.

Cheers,
-- Marc-Olivier Barre --
 --- MarcO'Chapeau ----
- www.marcochapeau.org -



From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Fri Jul 18 16:38:03 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:38:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <4880DC23.2070808@andrei.myip.org>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<1216386710.3792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4880DC23.2070808@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <200807182238.14621.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 schrieb Florin Andrei:
> The Other wrote:
> > Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz
> Never EVER trust that indication. It's _always_ useless. Everybody just
> twists and bends the definition so much that they can essentially put
> any numbers there. It's worse than useless, it's misleading.

Apart from the fact that probably only small children (to young to wear 
phones) are able to hear that full range. For everyone else / everyone older 
the higher frequencies (above 16kHz or 19kHz) are only psychoacoustics. And 
if these are important to you on a headphone, you need to get one that has a 
(preferable flat:) frequency response up to 96kHz...

Arnold
-- 
visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/
---
Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me 
to all your contacts.
After a month or so log in as root and do a "rm -rf /". Or ask your 
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From fons at kokkinizita.net  Fri Jul 18 16:54:03 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:54:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <200807182238.14621.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<1216386710.3792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4880DC23.2070808@andrei.myip.org>
	<200807182238.14621.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
Message-ID: <20080718205403.GE3011@zita2.kokkinizita.net>

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:38:03PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:

> > Never EVER trust that indication. It's _always_ useless. Everybody just
> > twists and bends the definition so much that they can essentially put
> > any numbers there. It's worse than useless, it's misleading.
> 
> Apart from the fact that probably only small children (to young to wear 
> phones) are able to hear that full range. For everyone else / everyone older 
> the higher frequencies (above 16kHz or 19kHz) are only psychoacoustics. And 
> if these are important to you on a headphone, you need to get one that has a 
> (preferable flat:) frequency response up to 96kHz...

Very true. The one spec that is probably even more useless
is the power rating of amplifiers.

Some manufacturers are (were) honest about FR specs. 
The M15 tape recorder from Telefunken was probably one
of the best ever made as regards sound quality, yet the
official FR spec was 50 Hz to 15 kHz...

Returning to headphones, I have a Sennheiser HD600 which
is great, but outside the price range considered by the OP.
I use it often to play the piano (Linuxsampler) at night,
and indeed sometimes you just forget you are using headphones,
in particular if you add some room response to the otherwise
dry sound of most electronic / software instruments.

I'd say the most importand qualities for a headphone used
for intrument playing are

- A decent frequency response, which means no obvious
  colorations. All the rest can be corrected by EQ, and
  part of it you will get used to.

- NO trace of distortion at the listening level you want
  to use. This is really essential. Once you notice any
  distortion it takes only a short time before it will be
  a permanent irration. ALso means you need the right amp
  to drive your headphone.
 
I also have a Beyer DT100 wich must be around 30 years old
by now. It has survived all abuse that comes with doing
audio work 'in the field', and still sounds very good.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From atte.jensen at gmail.com  Fri Jul 18 18:18:27 2008
From: atte.jensen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Andr=E9_Jensen?=)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:18:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] ZynAddSubFX chagneing tempo in an instruments effect ?
In-Reply-To: <1216334657.3588.14.camel@linux-fin4.site>
References: <1216334657.3588.14.camel@linux-fin4.site>
Message-ID: <488116B3.4060704@gmail.com>

Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:

> It's the Resonance Synth from the Synth group, but the echo tails comes
> a little to fast, they are about tempo 120 and I would like them to be
> 100 or even lower, how can I change that ?

Did you try "Edit instrument"->"Effects"? The first (and in this patch ) 
only fx is "echo 1", turn the delay knob a little to the right, for a 
slower delay.

NB: I don't know of an exact way to do this, I think you must have a 
steady hand and an open ear :-)

NB2: You must be in "advanced mode" for this to work...

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://atte.dk       | http://myspace.com/attejensen
http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk


From folderol at ukfsn.org  Fri Jul 18 18:23:13 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:23:13 +0100
Subject: [LAU] ZynAddSubFX chagneing tempo in an instruments effect ?
In-Reply-To: <488116B3.4060704@gmail.com>
References: <1216334657.3588.14.camel@linux-fin4.site>
	<488116B3.4060704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080718232313.32561438@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:18:27 +0200
Atte Andr? Jensen <atte.jensen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> 
> > It's the Resonance Synth from the Synth group, but the echo tails comes
> > a little to fast, they are about tempo 120 and I would like them to be
> > 100 or even lower, how can I change that ?
> 
> Did you try "Edit instrument"->"Effects"? The first (and in this patch ) 
> only fx is "echo 1", turn the delay knob a little to the right, for a 
> slower delay.
> 
> NB: I don't know of an exact way to do this, I think you must have a 
> steady hand and an open ear :-)
> 
> NB2: You must be in "advanced mode" for this to work...


Hah! You got there before me :)


-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk  Sat Jul 19 01:35:58 2008
From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (lynne shorthose)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:35:58 +0100
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <20080718205403.GE3011@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<1216386710.3792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4880DC23.2070808@andrei.myip.org>
	<200807182238.14621.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
	<20080718205403.GE3011@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
Message-ID: <20080719063558.3a060df2.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:54:03 +0200
Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:38:03PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> 
> > > Never EVER trust that indication. It's _always_ useless. Everybody just
> > > twists and bends the definition so much that they can essentially put
> > > any numbers there. It's worse than useless, it's misleading.
> > 
> > Apart from the fact that probably only small children (to young to wear 
> > phones) are able to hear that full range. For everyone else / everyone older 
> > the higher frequencies (above 16kHz or 19kHz) are only psychoacoustics. And 
> > if these are important to you on a headphone, you need to get one that has a 
> > (preferable flat:) frequency response up to 96kHz...
> 
> Very true. The one spec that is probably even more useless
> is the power rating of amplifiers.
> 
> Some manufacturers are (were) honest about FR specs. 
> The M15 tape recorder from Telefunken was probably one
> of the best ever made as regards sound quality, yet the
> official FR spec was 50 Hz to 15 kHz...
> 
> Returning to headphones, I have a HD600 which
> is great, but outside the price range considered by the OP.
> I use it often to play the piano (Linuxsampler) at night,
> and indeed sometimes you just forget you are using headphones,
> in particular if you add some room response to the otherwise
> dry sound of most electronic / software instruments.

don't suppose anyone here has experience of both the HD600 and 
HD650 models and so knows how they compare?
it's just that i treated myself to the 650s a while ago in the
hope of using them for mixing and mastering, but don't think
them at all suitable after having listened to them extensively.

i've always wondered whether the 650s were a step down from the
much lauded 600s, or whether i just wouldn't recognise quality
and neutrality if they broke into my house and spelt their names
on my fridge with alphabet magnets.
:)

cheers,
pete.


From zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk  Sat Jul 19 01:38:42 2008
From: zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk (pete shorthose)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:38:42 +0100
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <20080719063558.3a060df2.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
	<1216386710.3792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4880DC23.2070808@andrei.myip.org>
	<200807182238.14621.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
	<20080718205403.GE3011@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<20080719063558.3a060df2.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20080719063842.9ed479e0.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:35:58 +0100
lynne shorthose <zenadsl6252 at zen.co.uk> wrote:

yeah, i'm just going to change my name to lynne and be done.
sigh.

cheers,
the artist formerly known as pete.


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 10:13:27 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:13:27 +0200
Subject: [LAU] make my bassguitar sound good
Message-ID: <4881F687.8040700@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm using my bassguitar without an amp. I use a dmp 3 preamp and my 
maudio audiophile 24/96. How can I make my bassguitar sounds good this 
way? Is there software which can make the sound better and how?

Thanks in advance,



From porl42 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 11:04:13 2008
From: porl42 at gmail.com (porl sheean)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:04:13 +1000
Subject: [LAU] make my bassguitar sound good
In-Reply-To: <4881F687.8040700@gmail.com>
References: <4881F687.8040700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37f5d9e80807190804m58894cddrb7311bfb583b1366@mail.gmail.com>

depends on what sort of bass sound you want. i would suggest playing
around with ladspa plugins such as the caps series. the most common
things you would want to do with a bass guitar sound are eq,
compressor/limiter and possibly overdrive/amp sim.

hope this helps.

porl

ps. maybe you could upload a sample of your playing somewhere and a
description of what sort of sound you are after and people could give
you examples of what ladspa plugins and settings they would use to get
it? just an idea.

2008/7/20 schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using my bassguitar without an amp. I use a dmp 3 preamp and my
> maudio audiophile 24/96. How can I make my bassguitar sounds good this
> way? Is there software which can make the sound better and how?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


From markknecht at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 11:09:34 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:09:34 -0700
Subject: [LAU] make my bassguitar sound good
In-Reply-To: <4881F687.8040700@gmail.com>
References: <4881F687.8040700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807190809y3e224a6bw436b9d3d7a8ffd09@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:13 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using my bassguitar without an amp. I use a dmp 3 preamp and my
> maudio audiophile 24/96. How can I make my bassguitar sounds good this
> way? Is there software which can make the sound better and how?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>

What bass are you playing?
How are you monitoring?
What sound are you looking for?

No matter how hard I try I cannot make my Ibanez sound like Chris
Squire's Rickenbacker. However it can sound like a solid rock bass.

All depends on what you are trying to do...

- Mark


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 11:09:37 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:09:37 +0200
Subject: [LAU] make my bassguitar sound good
In-Reply-To: <37f5d9e80807190804m58894cddrb7311bfb583b1366@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4881F687.8040700@gmail.com>
	<37f5d9e80807190804m58894cddrb7311bfb583b1366@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488203B1.1010509@gmail.com>

porl sheean wrote:
> common things you would want to do with a bass guitar sound are eq,
> compressor/limiter and possibly overdrive/amp sim.
>
> hope this helps.
>
> porl
>
> ps. maybe you could upload a sample of your playing somewhere and a
> description of what sort of sound you are after and people could give
> you examples of what ladspa plugins and settings they would use to get
> it? just an idea.
>
> 2
Thanks, I'll try eq, compressor/limiter. I don't think I want to put 
effects on it.



From markknecht at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 11:15:06 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:15:06 -0700
Subject: [LAU] make my bassguitar sound good
In-Reply-To: <488203B1.1010509@gmail.com>
References: <4881F687.8040700@gmail.com>
	<37f5d9e80807190804m58894cddrb7311bfb583b1366@mail.gmail.com>
	<488203B1.1010509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807190815u25e00eb0i60918fbfbccdffec@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:09 AM, schoappied <schoappied at gmail.com> wrote:
> porl sheean wrote:
>> common things you would want to do with a bass guitar sound are eq,
>> compressor/limiter and possibly overdrive/amp sim.
>>
>> hope this helps.
>>
>> porl
>>
>> ps. maybe you could upload a sample of your playing somewhere and a
>> description of what sort of sound you are after and people could give
>> you examples of what ladspa plugins and settings they would use to get
>> it? just an idea.
>>
>> 2
> Thanks, I'll try eq, compressor/limiter. I don't think I want to put
> effects on it.
>

Mostly it's just me, and I'm not a bass player but I own two, but to
me it's mostly about gentle EQ. I find I cannot change the real nature
of the instrument itself but rather can just move it a bit in the
direction I want it to go.

Just a thought.

- Mark


From idragosani at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 11:19:55 2008
From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:19:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] make my bassguitar sound good
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mostly it's just me, and I'm not a bass player but I own two, but to
> me it's mostly about gentle EQ. I find I cannot change the real nature
> of the instrument itself but rather can just move it a bit in the
> direction I want it to go.

When I record bass, I go through a tube pre-amp (like one of the ART
ones) and then direct into the board (in my case, a Hammerfall RME
interface). A tiny bit of EQ or compression helps also, although the
tube pre-amp add some nice warm tube compression and even a tad bit of
overdrive. A little bit of flange/phase shift or chorus can add a
little character to the tone also, as long as it isn't overdone. But
the latter can be added in post, so you can adjust to taste without
ruining the original (nothing worse than getting a perfect take only
to find out you had too much flange or something that can't be removed
later).

-- Brett
------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden;
 If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world."
 -- Jelaleddin Rumi


From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 11:50:46 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:50:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] make my bassguitar sound good
In-Reply-To: <18b65aac0807190819s5e434c13h8c685790a61bf195@mail.gmail.com>
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Brett McCoy wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Mostly it's just me, and I'm not a bass player but I own two, but to
>> me it's mostly about gentle EQ. I find I cannot change the real nature
>> of the instrument itself but rather can just move it a bit in the
>> direction I want it to go.
>>     
>
> A tiny bit of EQ or compression helps also, although the
> tube pre-amp add some nice warm tube compression and even a tad bit of
> overdrive. A little bit of flange/phase shift or chorus can add a
> little character to the tone also, 
Thanks guys. I also found some racks for jack-rack, I think I will try 
those too. And maybe rakarrack has also bass options/ banks?
http://offog.org/stuff/racks/




From schoappied at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 12:05:16 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:05:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com>	<628DDB10-52B5-4141-8BF0-5185332C5C3C@shaw.ca>	<48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>	<48639853.6020609@web.de>	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>	<48661248.4050507@web.de>	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
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R.Wolff wrote:
> Depending on which instrument (genre) you want to focus. If you're longing for 
> keys mainly (Piano, E-Piano, Rhode, Wurli a B3 maybe), and synth secondly, I 
> think I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this M-Audio KB. It has 88 keys (which I 
> wish mine would have :( ), I guess the 'touch' would be half-decent at last. The 
> 'Pro-88' has quite good keys IMHO. But be sure you get a second series model. 
> The first had some problems physical with the keyboard/keys.
> If you'd be more interested in synth stuff, the Radium/Oxygen KB could be a 
> better choice, as they give you extended functionality for tweaking, automation 
> writing 'n stuff. I extended my synth with a Behringer BCR2000, which is a 
> really cool controller. Also use it for QSynth, Freewheeling, Ardour and other 
> instruments/FX/editors under 64 Studio (32-bit).
> Anyway, with Thomann I never had the slightest problem. You can send back the 
> stuff you don't like within  2 weeks at last.
>   
mmh I don't think it will be a maudio... don't like the keys.

What do you guys think of an older one: alesis qs8? How much should I 
pay for a second hand one in Europe?
http://www.midiworld.com/quadrasynth/qs_8.htm

I'm thinking about to buy a keyboard from fatar or an older alesis qs8 a 
like now...




From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Sat Jul 19 13:43:49 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:43:49 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor shot, need advice for a new one
In-Reply-To: <20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com>
References: <4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807120830m75c84004md0f4ce15eb924014@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec9314860807121739o63b78b34g75e64ef748ea4199@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2ad4li18lw.fsf@cartman.at.offog.org>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
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	<20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com>
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Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
> A man walks into his kitchen and opens the refrigerator door. Sitting
> there looking at him is a rabbit. Astonished, the man exlaims, "What are
> you doing in there?!?" To which the rabbit replies, "It's a
> Westinghouse, isn't it?" To which the puzzled man replies hesitantly,
> "Yes ...". "Well, I'm westing," explains the rabbit.
>
>   
Hi Eric,

I'm trying very hard to not respond with some of my own "jokes"...

I liked it though, it's a funny one. :)

> but, seriously, I'm using a Samsung SyncMaster 225BW, too, and am perfectly happy.
Yep, I'm very happy with my Samsung. By comparison the Westinghouse is 
not so sweet. Nice, just not as nice as the Samsung.

Best,

dp




From florin at andrei.myip.org  Sat Jul 19 19:52:00 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:52:00 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <20080719063558.3a060df2.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>	<1216386710.3792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4880DC23.2070808@andrei.myip.org>	<200807182238.14621.arnold@arnoldarts.de>	<20080718205403.GE3011@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
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lynne shorthose wrote:
> 
> it's just that i treated myself to the 650s a while ago in the
> hope of using them for mixing and mastering, but don't think
> them at all suitable after having listened to them extensively.
> 
> i've always wondered whether the 650s were a step down from the
> much lauded 600s, or whether i just wouldn't recognise quality
> and neutrality if they broke into my house and spelt their names
> on my fridge with alphabet magnets.

You might be one of those people who don't like the laid-back style of 
the Senn' HD 6xx. To your ears, they seem too "soft", isn't it?

Try and get your hands on a higher-end-ish Grado and see how you like 
it. In fact, many of the high-end phones should be a bit more "forward" 
than Sennheiser.
But don't just sell the 650 immediately. Wait a bit, you may end up 
keeping both. That's what happened to me, even though I went the 
opposite way.

And indeed, for splicing tracks and stuff like that, I find the Grado 
more helpful sometimes. But then I switch to the sampler, hit a chord 
with an aggressive, buzzy synthesizer patch, and all of a sudden it 
feels like I'm chewing glass. Oh, right, I was listening through the 
Grado. :-/

Your experience might be different.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From porl42 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 20:01:02 2008
From: porl42 at gmail.com (porl sheean)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:01:02 +1000
Subject: [LAU] headphones
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i know that all of the headphones mentioned here are great quality
etc, but which ones do you people think are the most accurate *flat*
response? obviously not the grados, as they apparently exaggerate the
top end a bit, but which ones are the closest to a perfect flat
response? ie bass levels not boosted or attenuated, not exaggerated
mids etc?

thanks
porl

2008/7/20 Florin Andrei <florin at andrei.myip.org>:
> lynne shorthose wrote:
>>
>> it's just that i treated myself to the 650s a while ago in the
>> hope of using them for mixing and mastering, but don't think
>> them at all suitable after having listened to them extensively.
>>
>> i've always wondered whether the 650s were a step down from the
>> much lauded 600s, or whether i just wouldn't recognise quality
>> and neutrality if they broke into my house and spelt their names
>> on my fridge with alphabet magnets.
>
> You might be one of those people who don't like the laid-back style of
> the Senn' HD 6xx. To your ears, they seem too "soft", isn't it?
>
> Try and get your hands on a higher-end-ish Grado and see how you like
> it. In fact, many of the high-end phones should be a bit more "forward"
> than Sennheiser.
> But don't just sell the 650 immediately. Wait a bit, you may end up
> keeping both. That's what happened to me, even though I went the
> opposite way.
>
> And indeed, for splicing tracks and stuff like that, I find the Grado
> more helpful sometimes. But then I switch to the sampler, hit a chord
> with an aggressive, buzzy synthesizer patch, and all of a sudden it
> feels like I'm chewing glass. Oh, right, I was listening through the
> Grado. :-/
>
> Your experience might be different.
>
> --
> Florin Andrei
>
> http://florin.myip.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


From florin at andrei.myip.org  Sat Jul 19 20:32:19 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:32:19 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <37f5d9e80807191701k7e503184x3e465ad34c8f399b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>	<1216386710.3792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4880DC23.2070808@andrei.myip.org>	<200807182238.14621.arnold@arnoldarts.de>	<20080718205403.GE3011@zita2.kokkinizita.net>	<20080719063558.3a060df2.zenadsl6252@zen.co.uk>	<48827E20.8070408@andrei.myip.org>
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porl sheean wrote:
> i know that all of the headphones mentioned here are great quality
> etc, but which ones do you people think are the most accurate *flat*
> response? obviously not the grados, as they apparently exaggerate the
> top end a bit, but which ones are the closest to a perfect flat
> response? ie bass levels not boosted or attenuated, not exaggerated
> mids etc?

It took me a while to accept it, but there is no such thing. Have you 
seen the response graphs, even for those phones called "accurate"? 
Judged by the graph, they are a piece of crap. And who knows, maybe in 
50 years, somebody will make phones that are truly "flat" and we will 
all go "pffft, AKG K 1000, you miserable pile of junk."

Well, I won't. By then I'll be either near-deaf or totally dead.

Oh, and the flatness is not everything. I've seen very flat IC 
amplifiers that sounded harsh and metallic, and not so flat tube amps 
that sounded nice and organic. So that's just one parameter among many.

Anyway, the acoustic systems are light-years behind all the other links 
in the audio chain. You spend thousands of $$$ on Stax Omega or 
Sennheiser Orpheus and they are about as good as the amplifier my 
neighbor's kid cobbled up in the garage. Maybe worse, actually. If 
somebody's ears don't match what those phones do, they will not sound 
very good for that person. And that's all there is to it.

So, just try out a few things and see what works for you. There's a 
reason why some people end up owning 2 or 3 very different phones.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Sun Jul 20 06:26:05 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:26:05 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <37f5d9e80807191701k7e503184x3e465ad34c8f399b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com> <48827E20.8070408@andrei.myip.org>
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Am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2008 schrieb porl sheean:
> i know that all of the headphones mentioned here are great quality
> etc, but which ones do you people think are the most accurate *flat*
> response? obviously not the grados, as they apparently exaggerate the
> top end a bit, but which ones are the closest to a perfect flat
> response? ie bass levels not boosted or attenuated, not exaggerated
> mids etc?

I think truly flat responses is impossible with headphones. Just compare the 
sizes of your more-or-less flat response studio speakers and the size of the 
average headphone. A speaker with a diameter of only a couple of cm has its 
resonance never in the range the bass-driver of your studio-speakers. So you 
have to do several design-tricks to try to equalize the response. And that 
with the limited amount of space. It is a wonder these headphones sound as 
good as they do. (And most cheap one and even a lot of not-so-cheap ones 
sound like crap...)

Have a nice sunday,

Arnold
-- 
visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/
---
Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me 
to all your contacts.
After a month or so log in as root and do a "rm -rf /". Or ask your 
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From fons at kokkinizita.net  Sun Jul 20 07:06:30 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:06:30 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
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On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:26:05PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:

> I think truly flat responses is impossible with headphones.

Depends on what you call 'the response'. For a headphone
this would be ratio of the acoustic signal produced at
the entry of the ear canal to the driving voltage.
Now this must not be flat, at least not if you want
to use the headphone with signals that sound good
when reproduced by a speaker. The simple reason is
that the response from the speaker to the entry of
the ear canal is not flat, even if the free field
response of the speaker is.

More generally, expecting a headphone to work well
with signals that are intended for speakers is sort
of wanting the impossible. There should be a lot of
processing between the two. In practice headphones
are designed to be reasonable flat without any such
processing, which means they are some pragmatic 
compromise.

> Just compare the 
> sizes of your more-or-less flat response studio 
> speakers and the size of the average headphone.
> A speaker with a diameter of only a couple of
> cm has its  resonance never in the range the
> bass-driver of your studio-speakers.

Nor does it have to move large quantities of air.
But the most obvious difference that you listen
to the near field over most of the frequency range,
which is fundamentally different from a speaker.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From d_baron at 012.net.il  Sun Jul 20 10:44:47 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:44:47 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807141020x4f253f60kdd0badd4f01772ed@mail.gmail.com>
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On Monday 14 July 2008 20:20:41 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/14 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> >> you should then have a device
> >>   /dev/rtc0
> >
> > I have /dev/rtc from previous
>
> that's the old interface
> it's incompatible, deactivate it. look at my config!
>   ( zcat config.gz | grep -i rtc )
> see src/Documentation/rtc.txt for more info
>
> # CONFIG_RTC is not set
> # CONFIG_GEN_RTC is not set
> # CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set
>
> >> then change the max-user-frequency of rtc (default is only 64):
> >>   echo 2048 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq
> >
> > I have this set to 1024 (kernel hz?) in /etc/sysctl.conf.
>
> 1024 is ok too.
> for the new interface however, there doesn't seem to be a sysctl
> option anymore/yet and one has to set it manually.

I rebuilt the kernel with the hpet stuff enabled. Make menuconfig offers no 
place to get rid of CONFIG_RTC, even though hpet should be taking care of it.

Anyway, all the same results.


From florin at andrei.myip.org  Mon Jul 21 03:55:52 2008
From: florin at andrei.myip.org (Florin Andrei)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:55:52 -0700
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <200807201226.27614.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>
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Arnold Krille wrote:
> 
> I think truly flat responses is impossible with headphones. Just compare the 
> sizes of your more-or-less flat response studio speakers and the size of the 
> average headphone. A speaker with a diameter of only a couple of cm has its 
> resonance never in the range the bass-driver of your studio-speakers. So you 
> have to do several design-tricks to try to equalize the response. And that 
> with the limited amount of space. It is a wonder these headphones sound as 
> good as they do. (And most cheap one and even a lot of not-so-cheap ones 
> sound like crap...)

Actually, in purely technical terms it's easier to make good phones than 
it is to make good speakers.

The problem with the phones is not technical, it's more related to 
perception. The phone sound is unnatural. It has no meaningful 
information regarding direction. The bass does no resonate in your 
chest. Etc. etc.

Technically it's cleaner, more "flat" or whatever you wanna call it. But 
a natural sound you can only get from speakers.

-- 
Florin Andrei

http://florin.myip.org/


From christopher.wenn at gmail.com  Mon Jul 21 07:35:05 2008
From: christopher.wenn at gmail.com (Chris Wenn)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:35:05 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <487DAFFF.9090202@joow.be>
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On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:23 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote:

> 
> It would be good if you could run the ffado-diag tool such that we can 
> figure out what hardware revision of the ricoh chip you have.
> 
> Greets,
> 
> Pieter

Hi Pieter

Thanks for this... output attached.

Chris
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From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Mon Jul 21 08:06:31 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:06:31 -0400
Subject: [LAU] we have to fly frank barknecht to toronto!
Message-ID: <1216641991.18879.213.camel@localhost.localdomain>

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/18/toronto-patching-software-grudge-match-pd-vs-max-to-end-niceties-and-fight-to-the-death/#more-3650




From gregwilder at orpheusmediaresearch.com  Mon Jul 21 09:06:55 2008
From: gregwilder at orpheusmediaresearch.com (Dr. Greg Wilder)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:06:55 -0400
Subject: [LAU] SPAM-LOW:   we have to fly frank barknecht to toronto!
In-Reply-To: <1216641991.18879.213.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1216641991.18879.213.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Paul Davis wrote:
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/18/toronto-patching-software-grudge-match-pd-vs-max-to-end-niceties-and-fight-to-the-death/#more-3650

But first we need to know if Frank is willing to dress as a luchador...



From xbran at web.de  Mon Jul 21 12:18:10 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:18:10 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807201744.48565.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
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Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807210918n68993359i8705d3d8de2e7a0b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/20 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
>
> I rebuilt the kernel with the hpet stuff enabled. Make menuconfig offers no
> place to get rid of CONFIG_RTC, even though hpet should be taking care of it.
>

I deactivated these:
Menu -> DeviceDrivers -> CharacterDevices -> EnhancedRealtimeClockSupport
Menu -> DeviceDrivers -> CharacterDevices -> Generic /dev/rtc emulation

but enabled:
Menu -> DeviceDrivers -> Real Time Clock


From fbar at footils.org  Mon Jul 21 13:45:15 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:45:15 +0200
Subject: [LAU] we have to fly frank barknecht to toronto!
In-Reply-To: <1216641991.18879.213.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1216641991.18879.213.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20080721174515.GD14924@fliwatut.scifi>

Hallo,
Paul Davis hat gesagt: // Paul Davis wrote:

> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/18/toronto-patching-software-grudge-match-pd-vs-max-to-end-niceties-and-fight-to-the-death/#more-3650

While I'd like to go, I fully trust David and Dafydd, they are Double
Dragon Destroyers!

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Tue Jul 22 00:40:15 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:40:15 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807210918n68993359i8705d3d8de2e7a0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<200807201744.48565.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807210918n68993359i8705d3d8de2e7a0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807220740.19000.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Monday 21 July 2008 19:18:10 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/20 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> > I rebuilt the kernel with the hpet stuff enabled. Make menuconfig offers
> > no place to get rid of CONFIG_RTC, even though hpet should be taking care
> > of it.
>
> I deactivated these:
> Menu -> DeviceDrivers -> CharacterDevices -> EnhancedRealtimeClockSupport
> Menu -> DeviceDrivers -> CharacterDevices -> Generic /dev/rtc emulation
>
> but enabled:
> Menu -> DeviceDrivers -> Real Time Clock
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user

OK, but that "enhanced realtime clock support is menued as "new". The rtc.c 
does hpet refences. Snd-rcttimer will not be built this way.


The question is will muse  run without snd-rtc-timer.  The 1.0 beta did come 
up in the midi-only mode but it kicks at ladspa descripters before  one can do 
anything. I do not remember which one of these programs wanted the snd-
rtctimer. Rosegarden is one of the few kde3 apps that will not run under kde4!

muse 0.8 will start up without rtc, snd-rtctimer loaded. It will not play midi 
to a midi out device if jack is running but I think this is a problem with 
current jack since qsynth had the same problem.



From d_baron at 012.net.il  Tue Jul 22 00:52:22 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:52:22 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
Message-ID: <200807220752.24018.d_baron@012.net.il>

Something else I just noticed in the kernel builds:Section mismatches! 24 in 
image and 9 in the modules.

What does this mean. Kernels certain boot up OK.



From d_baron at 012.net.il  Tue Jul 22 01:25:20 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:25:20 +0300
Subject: [LAU] jack problem
Message-ID: <200807220825.21338.d_baron@012.net.il>

I had this with qsynth, thought it was a problem with this, but then I 
encountered it with muse.

If jack is running, programs will not play MIDI to an alsa MIDI device. If 
jack is not running, qsynth works surprisingly well and muse (no audio, of 
course) will play MIDI to a MIDI device just fine.

With jack running, trying to manually connect in the qjackctl connections pane 
will have no effect! Pre-existing connections not involving the jack client 
program will still work.

One possible side effect is that the jack-midi items MAY not appear after this 
has occured (a few times) and the system will eventually hang.

Anyone had this? File bug? Fix or workaround?


From julien at c-lab.de  Tue Jul 22 02:27:10 2008
From: julien at c-lab.de (Julien Claassen)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:27:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [LAU] jack problem
In-Reply-To: <200807220825.21338.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807220825.21338.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807220824510.15541@arima>

Hi!
   Which version of jack are you using? Did you try aconnect as well? also 
aconnect -li and -lo to see what's heppning with the alsaseq ports.
   I've used 109.2 for a long time ad nothing went wrong there. Now I use 
0.112.0 and after fixing jack_connect all is well.
   My favourite apps to connect MIDI and audio are LinuxSampler, fluidsynth 
(no GUI) and sometimes aeolus.
   Kindest regards
         Julien

--------
Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles)

======== FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: ========
http://ltsb.sourceforge.net
the Linux TextBased Studio guide
======= AND MY PERSONAL PAGES AT: =======
http://www.juliencoder.de


From edogawa at aon.at  Tue Jul 22 04:11:31 2008
From: edogawa at aon.at (Edgar Aichinger)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:11:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807220740.19000.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807210918n68993359i8705d3d8de2e7a0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807220740.19000.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <200807221011.32092.edogawa@aon.at>

Am Tuesday 22 July 2008 schrieb David Baron:
> Rosegarden is one of the few kde3 apps that will not run under kde4!

Sorry, but I can't confirm this: I have a fresh openSUSE 11.0 install, with 
kernel-rt 2.6.25.5 and CONFIG_HZ=1000, and both rosegarden(1.7.1-svn) and 
muse(0.9) run happily under KDE 4.0.4, even in parallel and jack transport 
synced (if I use the muse transport buttons, rosegarden crashes, but that's 
a different issue I didn't care to look at yet). Three modules with rtc in 
their name are loaded: rtc_lib, rtc_core and rtc_cmos.

> 
> muse 0.8 will start up without rtc, snd-rtctimer loaded. It will not play midi 
> to a midi out device if jack is running but I think this is a problem with 
> current jack since qsynth had the same problem.

Can't confirm either: using latest jack svn here (0.112.0), muse plays MIDI
to it's internal softsynths (I tried DeicsOnce) as well as to external 
hardware gear (tried Korg Wavestation via the Delta 1010LT MIDI output).



From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Tue Jul 22 04:19:15 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Svend-Erik_Kj=E6r_Madsen?=)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:19:15 +0200
Subject: [LAU] RME HDSP Multiface Windows vs Linux & Jack
Message-ID: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>

Hi
I've newly installed a desktop system with dual boot 
windows/ubuntuStudio and discovered something exiting.

If I play around with ZynAddSubFX in Windows, I can adjust the card to 
64 frames 96000KHz and play with 1,5 ms latency without any kind of 
sound glitch or interrupts at all.

If I try the same with UbuntuStudio and jack I get a lot of X-runs as I 
play, in a serious situation it's no good, especially as I'm beginning 
to use effects in and out of my Multiface in real time for example guitar.

Now that I discovered that my card is fully capable of playing with 
extreme low latency I'm not quite satisfied with running 20ms or more in 
UbuntuStudio or any other Linux DAW.

Is there anything I can do to tune my jack installation to obtain lower 
latency and more stability with my card, so far I haven't had any luck 
tweaking the jack settings.

Thanks in advantage.


/Sv-e


From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 05:47:47 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (schoappied)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:47:47 +0200
Subject: [LAU] headphones
In-Reply-To: <48844108.605@andrei.myip.org>
References: <487DFD25.9070900@gmail.com>	<48827E20.8070408@andrei.myip.org>	<37f5d9e80807191701k7e503184x3e465ad34c8f399b@mail.gmail.com>	<200807201226.27614.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
	<48844108.605@andrei.myip.org>
Message-ID: <4885ACC3.40805@gmail.com>

It's gonna be a sennheiser hd 485, I tested it in a store and I do 
prefer an open one for practice. It's an showmodel for 45 euro's with 
guarantee of a year...

Thanks for background information! And I hope i choose the right one ;)






From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Tue Jul 22 06:44:25 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:44:25 -0400
Subject: [LAU] RME HDSP Multiface Windows vs Linux & Jack
In-Reply-To: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>
References: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>
Message-ID: <1216723465.18879.291.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 10:19 +0200, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen wrote:
> Hi
> I've newly installed a desktop system with dual boot 
> windows/ubuntuStudio and discovered something exiting.
> 
> If I play around with ZynAddSubFX in Windows, I can adjust the card to 
> 64 frames 96000KHz and play with 1,5 ms latency without any kind of 
> sound glitch or interrupts at all.
> 
> If I try the same with UbuntuStudio and jack I get a lot of X-runs as I 
> play, in a serious situation it's no good, especially as I'm beginning 
> to use effects in and out of my Multiface in real time for example guitar.
> 
> Now that I discovered that my card is fully capable of playing with 
> extreme low latency I'm not quite satisfied with running 20ms or more in 
> UbuntuStudio or any other Linux DAW.
> 
> Is there anything I can do to tune my jack installation to obtain lower 
> latency and more stability with my card, so far I haven't had any luck 
> tweaking the jack settings.

Have you used google to research this at all? Do you use JACK in
RT-mode? 




From idragosani at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 07:11:07 2008
From: idragosani at gmail.com (Brett McCoy)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:11:07 -0400
Subject: [LAU] RME HDSP Multiface Windows vs Linux & Jack
In-Reply-To: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>
References: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>
Message-ID: <18b65aac0807220411o790cf19bs40a3474ba4e48772@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen <sv-e at sv-e.dk> wrote:

> I've newly installed a desktop system with dual boot
> windows/ubuntuStudio and discovered something exiting.
>
> If I play around with ZynAddSubFX in Windows, I can adjust the card to
> 64 frames 96000KHz and play with 1,5 ms latency without any kind of
> sound glitch or interrupts at all.
>
> If I try the same with UbuntuStudio and jack I get a lot of X-runs as I
> play, in a serious situation it's no good, especially as I'm beginning
> to use effects in and out of my Multiface in real time for example guitar.
>
> Now that I discovered that my card is fully capable of playing with
> extreme low latency I'm not quite satisfied with running 20ms or more in
> UbuntuStudio or any other Linux DAW.
>
> Is there anything I can do to tune my jack installation to obtain lower
> latency and more stability with my card, so far I haven't had any luck
> tweaking the jack settings.

How are you using Jack, specifically? Is your kernel real-time? I have
a similar setup (Windows and Fedora/CCRMA) and HDSP worked out of the
box for me in Linux. Granted, I don't use the card at 96K, though.

-- Brett
------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden;
 If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world."
 -- Jelaleddin Rumi


From nedko at arnaudov.name  Tue Jul 22 07:19:54 2008
From: nedko at arnaudov.name (Nedko Arnaudov)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:19:54 +0300
Subject: [LAU] RME HDSP Multiface Windows vs Linux & Jack
In-Reply-To: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk> (Svend-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6r?=
	Madsen's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:19:15 +0200")
References: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>
Message-ID: <87bq0q6u91.fsf@arnaudov.name>

Svend-Erik Kj?r Madsen <sv-e at sv-e.dk> writes:

> Hi
> I've newly installed a desktop system with dual boot 
> windows/ubuntuStudio and discovered something exiting.
>
> If I play around with ZynAddSubFX in Windows, I can adjust the card to 
> 64 frames 96000KHz and play with 1,5 ms latency without any kind of 
> sound glitch or interrupts at all.
>
> If I try the same with UbuntuStudio and jack I get a lot of X-runs as I 
> play, in a serious situation it's no good, especially as I'm beginning 
> to use effects in and out of my Multiface in real time for example guitar.
>
> Now that I discovered that my card is fully capable of playing with 
> extreme low latency I'm not quite satisfied with running 20ms or more in 
> UbuntuStudio or any other Linux DAW.
>
> Is there anything I can do to tune my jack installation to obtain lower 
> latency and more stability with my card, so far I haven't had any luck 
> tweaking the jack settings.

ZynAddSubFX has realtime issues. Linux realtime setup is quite sensitive
to misbehaving programs.

-- 
Nedko Arnaudov <GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0>
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From plutek at infinity.net  Tue Jul 22 09:11:48 2008
From: plutek at infinity.net (plutek-infinity)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:11:48 -0400
Subject: [LAU] RME HDSP Multiface Windows vs Linux & Jack
In-Reply-To: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk> (message from
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Svend-Erik_Kj=E6r_Madsen?= on Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:19:15
	+0200)
References: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>
Message-ID: <87k5feukq3.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>

>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:19:15 +0200
>From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Svend-Erik_Kj=E6r_Madsen?= <sv-e at sv-e.dk>
>Hi
>I've newly installed a desktop system with dual boot 
>windows/ubuntuStudio and discovered something exiting.
>
>If I play around with ZynAddSubFX in Windows, I can adjust the card to 
>64 frames 96000KHz and play with 1,5 ms latency without any kind of 
>sound glitch or interrupts at all.
>
>If I try the same with UbuntuStudio and jack I get a lot of X-runs as I 
>play, in a serious situation it's no good, especially as I'm beginning 
>to use effects in and out of my Multiface in real time for example guitar.
>
>Now that I discovered that my card is fully capable of playing with 
>extreme low latency I'm not quite satisfied with running 20ms or more in 
>UbuntuStudio or any other Linux DAW.
>
>Is there anything I can do to tune my jack installation to obtain lower 
>latency and more stability with my card, so far I haven't had any luck 
>tweaking the jack settings.

i've used the multiface at 96kHZ a lot (but not at 96000kHz -- hehe!) with no trouble. there are a lot of reports of xrun issues with the current version of ubuntustudio, so you may wish to try SUSE/Jacklab, 64studio, or Planet-CCRMA.

cheers!

-- 
.pltk.


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Tue Jul 22 09:25:21 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:25:21 -0400
Subject: [LAU] RME HDSP Multiface Windows vs Linux & Jack
In-Reply-To: <87k5feukq3.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
References: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk>  <87k5feukq3.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
Message-ID: <1216733121.18879.300.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 09:11 -0400, plutek-infinity wrote:

> 
> i've used the multiface at 96kHZ a lot (but not at 96000kHz -- hehe!) with no trouble. there are a lot of reports of xrun issues with the current version of ubuntustudio, so you may wish to try SUSE/Jacklab, 64studio, or Planet-CCRMA.

hint: think of a particular distro as like an instance of windows just
after a new service pack was installed that may have destroyed or
improved real time media handling.

:)





From christopherstamper at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 10:26:27 2008
From: christopherstamper at gmail.com (Christopher Stamper)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:26:27 -0400
Subject: [LAU] OT: Compatible USB Bluetooth Dongle
Message-ID: <f8ce4b8a0807220726r4a014223o101dc343e41bbe39@mail.gmail.com>

It's off-topic, but I hope you can help me anyway... :-)

I'm looking to buy a cheap USB bluetooth dongle for my PC. Obviously, I want
one that's compatible with Linux. But I've never used BT with Linux before,
so I have no idea what to expect.

Also, I'd like it to be compatible with Windows XP, but that's not too hard.

I'll be using it to send files to my PDA, and, if possible, set up some kind
of NAT or routing so I can access the network from my PDA.

Does Linux have as many issues with BT as it does with wifi? I'll be using
Ubuntu Studio...

Thanks!

-- 
Christopher Stamper

Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com
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From coryisatm at gmail.com  Tue Jul 22 10:44:42 2008
From: coryisatm at gmail.com (Cory K.)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:44:42 -0400
Subject: [LAU] RME HDSP Multiface Windows vs Linux & Jack
In-Reply-To: <87hcaiuifp.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
References: <48859803.9090405@sv-e.dk> <87k5feukq3.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
	<4885E2BA.6090001@gmail.com> <87hcaiuifp.fsf@paldesk2.palstudio>
Message-ID: <4885F25A.2080403@gmail.com>

plutek-infinity wrote:
>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:38:02 -0400
>> From: "Cory K." <coryisatm at gmail.com>
>>     
>
>   
>> plutek-infinity wrote:
>>     
>>> i've used the multiface at 96kHZ a lot (but not at 96000kHz -- hehe!) with no trouble. there are a lot of reports of xrun issues with the current version of ubuntustudio, so you may wish to try SUSE/Jacklab, 64studio, or Planet-CCRMA.
>>>       
>> Can you point out these reports?
>>     
>
> sure... check this thread:  http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=781104
> and my experience has been similar -- more xruns with an untweaked install of ubuntustudio than with the others.
>   

This particular one was a kernel bug that was fixed. So really not a
good example. I just take a little issue (since I'm the lead on Studio)
with "lots of reports of xruns" when I can say the same about any
distro. :P People in that thread even mentioned having no issues.

Any concrete "This is giving me xruns" examples/bugs are welcome.

One thing that I have seen is that if you add network-manager you can
start to get xruns. The min I add it here it starts. Couple of forum
threads mention it as well as emails.

> btw... any particular reason you went off-list with this, or shall we copy back to the list as well?
>   

Just didn't hit "reply to all".

-Cory K.



From xbran at web.de  Tue Jul 22 10:49:28 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:49:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807220740.19000.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<200807201744.48565.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807210918n68993359i8705d3d8de2e7a0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807220740.19000.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807220749v71e2724eg701663f7e6f4c78f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/22 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> OK, but that "enhanced realtime clock support is menued as "new". The rtc.c
> does hpet refences.

> Snd-rcttimer will not be built this way.
That's what I said. I don't have it.
But which/what is using/requiring snd-rtctimer btw?

>
> The question is will muse  run without snd-rtc-timer.
yes

but create a link:
  ln -s /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc
for the new rtc-device, so that muse can find it.


2008/7/22 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> Something else I just noticed in the kernel builds:Section mismatches! 24 in
> image and 9 in the modules.
>
maybe the build is not clean
have you run
   make-kpkg clean
??
I have sometimes had problems
that "make clean" could not remove.
Starting with fresh sources
and a known working config
helped in most cases.


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Tue Jul 22 11:19:45 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:45 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807220749v71e2724eg701663f7e6f4c78f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<200807220740.19000.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807220749v71e2724eg701663f7e6f4c78f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807221819.45996.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Tuesday 22 July 2008 17:49:28 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/22 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> > OK, but that "enhanced realtime clock support is menued as "new". The
> > rtc.c does hpet refences.
> >
> > Snd-rcttimer will not be built this way.
>
> That's what I said. I don't have it.
> But which/what is using/requiring snd-rtctimer btw?
>
> > The question is will muse  run without snd-rtc-timer.
>
> yes
>
> but create a link:
>   ln -s /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc
> for the new rtc-device, so that muse can find it.

Actually, without that link, I get:
Trying RTC timer...
fatal error: open /dev/rtc failed: No such file or directory
Trying ALSA timer...
got timer = 20
starting with default template
showMarker 0
3set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted

With the symlink I get.
Trying RTC timer...
got timer = 20
starting with default template
showMarker 0
3set realtime scheduler: Operation not permitted

So nothing is really different. How do I get the realtime scheduler? The 
rlimits is for the audio group to have that!

Also get
watchdog process 7192 _NOT_ running SCHED_FIFO
>
> 2008/7/22 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> > Something else I just noticed in the kernel builds:Section mismatches! 24
> > in image and 9 in the modules.
>
> maybe the build is not clean
> have you run
>    make-kpkg clean
> ??
> I have sometimes had problems
> that "make clean" could not remove.
> Starting with fresh sources
> and a known working config
> helped in most cases.

I can try that when I have time to let that go on again!


From xbran at web.de  Tue Jul 22 12:54:03 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:54:03 +0200
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <200807221819.45996.d_baron@012.net.il>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<200807220740.19000.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807220749v71e2724eg701663f7e6f4c78f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200807221819.45996.d_baron@012.net.il>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807220954n332a407br6fa85c993b8fd734@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/22 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> On Tuesday 22 July 2008 17:49:28 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
>> but create a link:
>>   ln -s /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc
>> for the new rtc-device, so that muse can find it.
>
> Actually, without that link, I get:
> Trying RTC timer...
> fatal error: open /dev/rtc failed: No such file or directory
> Trying ALSA timer...
> got timer = 20
>
> With the symlink I get.
> Trying RTC timer...
> got timer = 20
>
> So nothing is really different.

Nothing different?
In the first output it uses alsa-timer
In the second rtc-timer
I would call that different at least :-)

> How do I get the realtime scheduler?
If you have  "PREEMPT RT" in output of
  uname -v
you allready have it.

> The rlimits is for the audio group to have that!
?
If you can run jackd as user in realtime-mode rlimit (we use PAM now)
should already be set right.

> Also get
> watchdog process 7192 _NOT_ running SCHED_FIFO
where? don't know what this is.


From d_baron at 012.net.il  Tue Jul 22 13:05:10 2008
From: d_baron at 012.net.il (David Baron)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:05:10 +0300
Subject: [LAU] debian realtime kernel config 2.6.25.8.rt7
In-Reply-To: <5eb95dc90807220954n332a407br6fa85c993b8fd734@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200807132238.48963.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<200807221819.45996.d_baron@012.net.il>
	<5eb95dc90807220954n332a407br6fa85c993b8fd734@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807222005.11275.d_baron@012.net.il>

On Tuesday 22 July 2008 19:54:03 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> 2008/7/22 David Baron <d_baron at 012.net.il>:
> > On Tuesday 22 July 2008 17:49:28 Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
> >> but create a link:
> >>   ln -s /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc
> >> for the new rtc-device, so that muse can find it.
> >
> > Actually, without that link, I get:
> > Trying RTC timer...
> > fatal error: open /dev/rtc failed: No such file or directory
> > Trying ALSA timer...
> > got timer = 20
> >
> > With the symlink I get.
> > Trying RTC timer...
> > got timer = 20
> >
> > So nothing is really different.
>
> Nothing different?
> In the first output it uses alsa-timer
> In the second rtc-timer
> I would call that different at least :-)

What is the practical difference. How would I get udev to place this symlink 
since /dev is generated.
>
> > How do I get the realtime scheduler?
>
> If you have  "PREEMPT RT" in output of
>   uname -v
> you allready have it.
It does. That's how we built this kernel

>
> > The rlimits is for the audio group to have that!
>
> ?
> If you can run jackd as user in realtime-mode rlimit (we use PAM now)
> should already be set right.
It does start. So why does muse kick?
>
> > Also get
> > watchdog process 7192 _NOT_ running SCHED_FIFO
>
> where? don't know what this is.
Message follows the others here.



From susancragin at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 23 06:58:03 2008
From: susancragin at earthlink.net (Susan Cragin)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:58:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [LAU] updates to real-time kernel
Message-ID: <18045440.1216810683838.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Does anyone know what happened to the real-time kernel development?
It's stuck at 2.6.24-19, and the generic kernel is up to 2.6.26-4. Are we supposed to compile our own?




From coryisatm at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 07:49:58 2008
From: coryisatm at gmail.com (Cory K.)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:49:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] updates to real-time kernel
In-Reply-To: <18045440.1216810683838.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18045440.1216810683838.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48871AE6.4070703@gmail.com>

Susan Cragin wrote:
> Does anyone know what happened to the real-time kernel development?
> It's stuck at 2.6.24-19, and the generic kernel is up to 2.6.26-4. Are we supposed to compile our own?

Is this for Ubuntu? Please provide a little more info as not everyone
uses Ubuntu. :(

-Cory K.


From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Wed Jul 23 13:05:38 2008
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:05:38 +0200
Subject: [LAU] updates to real-time kernel
In-Reply-To: <18045440.1216810683838.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	(Susan
	Cragin's message of "Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:58:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00)")
References: <18045440.1216810683838.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <87myk8bkf1.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

Susan Cragin <susancragin at earthlink.net> writes:

> It's stuck at 2.6.24-19, and the generic kernel is up to 2.6.26-4

http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Removing_the_Big_Kernel_Lock

It seems like we're stuck with 2.6.25. (I'm stuck with 2.6.23 cause of
some weird audio problems with xmms2 on 2.6.24 and 2.6.25). 

Anyone know what the foreseeable future holds?

-- 
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From robin at gareus.org  Wed Jul 23 11:34:57 2008
From: robin at gareus.org (Robin Gareus)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:34:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] updates to real-time kernel
In-Reply-To: <87myk8bkf1.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <18045440.1216810683838.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<87myk8bkf1.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <48874FA1.70006@gareus.org>

Esben Stien wrote:
> Susan Cragin <susancragin at earthlink.net> writes:
> 
>> It's stuck at 2.6.24-19, and the generic kernel is up to 2.6.26-4
> 
> http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Removing_the_Big_Kernel_Lock
> 
> It seems like we're stuck with 2.6.25. (I'm stuck with 2.6.23 cause of
> some weird audio problems with xmms2 on 2.6.24 and 2.6.25). 
> 
> Anyone know what the foreseeable future holds?

2.6.24 was very stable for audio, at least over here more so than
2.6.25!   I've got a 2.6.26-rt1 working from
git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/clrkwllms/rt-linux.git

It supports Rui's rtirq setup and jackd/USB-UA25 ran >5 mins without
xruns at 128frames/period, wifi working, it suspends to RAM and
everything. BUT I did not yet try any longer since it spits out the
following message once per second:

 =======================
BUG: sleeping function called from invalid context swapper(0) at
kernel/rtmutex.c:743
in_atomic():1 [00000001], irqs_disabled():0
Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.26-rt1 #2
 [<c01250cb>] __might_sleep+0xeb/0xf0
 [<c034199f>] __rt_spin_lock+0x5f/0x70
 [<c03419b8>] rt_spin_lock+0x8/0x10
 [<c01498d0>] pm_qos_requirement+0x10/0x30
 [<f886afc9>] acpi_processor_idle+0x407/0x530 [processor]
 [<f886abc2>] ? acpi_processor_idle+0x0/0x530 [processor]
 [<c0102cf8>] cpu_idle+0x68/0xf0
 [<c033253c>] rest_init+0x6c/0x70
 =======================

It does not seem to be a real Bug.. but it's an annoying /mosquito/. I
guess it's related to NO_HZ or some ACPI_XXX config. I could not get the
-tip branch to boot at all, but I did not try too hard just yet.

stay tuned,
robin


From cladisch at fastmail.net  Thu Jul 24 12:04:48 2008
From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:04:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Boss GT-10
In-Reply-To: <7d20cdf10806121639i659f3baaif5249b814c567b70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d20cdf10806051002o70d48fedxeb6bf44563c11dbf@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4848E6BD.2070202@fastmail.net>
	<7d20cdf10806121639i659f3baaif5249b814c567b70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4888A820.4020907@fastmail.net>

Pedro Ferreira wrote:
> OK, I've added the output as an attachment :).

Sorry for the delay.

Please try adding the entry below anywhere in sound/usb/usbquirks.h
and recompile the driver:


{
	/* BOSS GT-10 */
	USB_DEVICE(0x0582, 0x00da),
	.driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk) {
		.ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE,
		.type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE,
		.data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) {
			{
				.ifnum = 0,
				.type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
			},
			{
				.ifnum = 1,
				.type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
			},
			{
				.ifnum = 2,
				.type = QUIRK_MIDI_FIXED_ENDPOINT,
				.data = & (const struct snd_usb_midi_endpoint_info) {
					.out_cables = 0x0001,
					.in_cables  = 0x0001
				}
			},
			{
				.ifnum = -1
			}
		}
	}
},



HTH
Clemens


From hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com  Thu Jul 24 16:23:18 2008
From: hakan.koseoglu at gmail.com (Hakan Koseoglu)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:23:18 +0100
Subject: [LAU] digidesign mbox 2 micro and Asus eee
Message-ID: <4888E4B6.4070107@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I nicked my brother's Mbox 2 and plugged into my eee, it got recognised as an usb-audio device. So far so good. I started qjackctl and started the daemon as a 44kHz, non-realtime and playback-only device and it worked fine. Fired up hydrogen and connected it to the Jack and started playing. QJackctl reports me that it's running and rolling but no audio is coming out nor the led light on the device is lighting up.

I was thinking since it got recognised as a USB device, at least the playback should have worked. Any clues and ideas, please?

Cheers,

Hakan


From cladisch at fastmail.net  Fri Jul 25 03:54:28 2008
From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:54:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] digidesign mbox 2 micro and Asus eee
In-Reply-To: <4888E4B6.4070107@gmail.com>
References: <4888E4B6.4070107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488986B4.9080606@fastmail.net>

Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
> I nicked my brother's Mbox 2 and plugged into my eee, it got
> recognised as an usb-audio device. So far so good. I started qjackctl
> and started the daemon as a 44kHz, non-realtime and playback-only
> device and it worked fine. Fired up hydrogen and connected it to the
> Jack and started playing. QJackctl reports me that it's running and
> rolling but no audio is coming out nor the led light on the device is
> lighting up.
>
> I was thinking since it got recognised as a USB device, at least the
> playback should have worked. Any clues and ideas, please?

It's possible that this device needs some vendor-specific commands to
enable certain things.  Does in work in Windows when no separate driver
has been installed?

Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device.


Regards,
Clemens


From xbran at web.de  Fri Jul 25 08:44:18 2008
From: xbran at web.de (Emanuel Rumpf)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:44:18 +0200
Subject: [LAU] digidesign mbox 2 micro and Asus eee
In-Reply-To: <4888E4B6.4070107@gmail.com>
References: <4888E4B6.4070107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5eb95dc90807250544v54b24579v9bf13282bbb6ec66@mail.gmail.com>

some things to check:
Enshure the sound is not muted with
alsamixer
or
alsamixer -c [card-number (find out which with: aplay -l )]
(TAB more options, ESC quit, M un/mute)

what's the output of:
lsmod | egrep "^snd_usb|^snd_pcm|^soundcore"

have you selected the right output in qjackctl


From mis at artengine.ca  Fri Jul 25 08:44:44 2008
From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:44:44 -0400
Subject: [LAU] OT: Compatible USB Bluetooth Dongle
In-Reply-To: <f8ce4b8a0807220726r4a014223o101dc343e41bbe39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8ce4b8a0807220726r4a014223o101dc343e41bbe39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eee389550807250544j91abc28n464d03462c0d82a1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just recently walked into my local computer store and picked up the
cheapest available (a real shot in the dark).  It happened to be
D-Link DBT-122 and it "just worked", OBEX file transfer worked
successfully and wiimote did, too.

./MiS

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Stamper
<christopherstamper at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's off-topic, but I hope you can help me anyway... :-)
>
> I'm looking to buy a cheap USB bluetooth dongle for my PC. Obviously, I want
> one that's compatible with Linux. But I've never used BT with Linux before,
> so I have no idea what to expect.
>
> Also, I'd like it to be compatible with Windows XP, but that's not too hard.
>
> I'll be using it to send files to my PDA, and, if possible, set up some kind
> of NAT or routing so I can access the network from my PDA.
>
> Does Linux have as many issues with BT as it does with wifi? I'll be using
> Ubuntu Studio...
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Christopher Stamper
>
> Email: christopherstamper at gmail.com
> Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg
> gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r
> Skype: cdstamper
> _______________________________________________
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>
>



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514-344-0726
http://www.creazone.ca


From nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Jul 25 09:59:48 2008
From: nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:59:48 +0200
Subject: [LAU] updates to real-time kernel
In-Reply-To: <48874FA1.70006@gareus.org>
References: <18045440.1216810683838.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<87myk8bkf1.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>  <48874FA1.70006@gareus.org>
Message-ID: <1216994388.1995.61.camel@cage.kgw.TU-Berlin.DE>

On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:34 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:
> Esben Stien wrote:
> > Susan Cragin <susancragin at earthlink.net> writes:
> > 
> >> It's stuck at 2.6.24-19, and the generic kernel is up to 2.6.26-4
> > 
> > http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Removing_the_Big_Kernel_Lock
> > 
> > It seems like we're stuck with 2.6.25. (I'm stuck with 2.6.23 cause of
> > some weird audio problems with xmms2 on 2.6.24 and 2.6.25). 
> > 
> > Anyone know what the foreseeable future holds?
> 
> 2.6.24 was very stable for audio, at least over here more so than
> 2.6.25!

Same here in my experience. I have not tried 2.6.26 yet. 

> I've got a 2.6.26-rt1 working from
> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/clrkwllms/rt-linux.git
> 
> It supports Rui's rtirq setup and jackd/USB-UA25 ran >5 mins without
> xruns at 128frames/period, wifi working, it suspends to RAM and
> everything. BUT I did not yet try any longer since it spits out the
> following message once per second:
> 
>  =======================
> BUG: sleeping function called from invalid context swapper(0) at
> kernel/rtmutex.c:743
> in_atomic():1 [00000001], irqs_disabled():0
> Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.26-rt1 #2
>  [<c01250cb>] __might_sleep+0xeb/0xf0
>  [<c034199f>] __rt_spin_lock+0x5f/0x70
>  [<c03419b8>] rt_spin_lock+0x8/0x10
>  [<c01498d0>] pm_qos_requirement+0x10/0x30
>  [<f886afc9>] acpi_processor_idle+0x407/0x530 [processor]
>  [<f886abc2>] ? acpi_processor_idle+0x0/0x530 [processor]
>  [<c0102cf8>] cpu_idle+0x68/0xf0
>  [<c033253c>] rest_init+0x6c/0x70
>  =======================
> 
> It does not seem to be a real Bug.. but it's an annoying /mosquito/. 

I asked Ingo about this and never heard back from him. 
This patch stops the mosquito noise for me :-)

  http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/6/8/59

But as there are no comments from the gurus it is possibly a bad idea
(although it has not been bad in my case, AFAICT)...

-- Fernando

> I guess it's related to NO_HZ or some ACPI_XXX config. I could not get the
> -tip branch to boot at all, but I did not try too hard just yet.
> 
> stay tuned,




From holotone at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 11:50:01 2008
From: holotone at gmail.com (holotone at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:50:01 -0600
Subject: [LAU] MIDI via Wiimote?
Message-ID: <70f68b660807250850m5fcf7905o6bde3d3f66edda85@mail.gmail.com>

I've found a bunch of how-tos on using a Wiimote as a mouse, but can't find
anything Linux specific on turning all of those movements into MIDI notes -
Any experience with this or any other Wiimote > Music applications out
there?

~cole
http://holotone.net/
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From hollunder at gmx.at  Fri Jul 25 12:10:46 2008
From: hollunder at gmx.at (hollunder at gmx.at)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:10:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] MIDI via Wiimote?
In-Reply-To: <70f68b660807250850m5fcf7905o6bde3d3f66edda85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70f68b660807250850m5fcf7905o6bde3d3f66edda85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080725181046.6b5fb63a@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:50:01 -0600
"holotone at gmail.com" <holotone at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've found a bunch of how-tos on using a Wiimote as a mouse, but
> can't find anything Linux specific on turning all of those movements
> into MIDI notes - Any experience with this or any other Wiimote >
> Music applications out there?
> 
> ~cole
> http://holotone.net/

I'd have a look at the pd-list, if it's possible, it's done by some pd
guy, they tend to like stuff like that.

Regards,
	Philipp


From otherbobby at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 14:25:39 2008
From: otherbobby at gmail.com (b m)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:25:39 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
Message-ID: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>

I am going to build a new machine specifically for recording and producing
professional audio. I am somewhat new to Linux (and to building computers),
but I would like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu and gradually switch over to
Ubuntu for my recording projects.

I want to make sure all of the hardware I buy is Linux compatible. Does
anyone have recommendations for what to buy, or what not to buy?

Or, what's your dream setup for a Linux audio machine?
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From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 14:57:47 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:57:47 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, b m <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am going to build a new machine specifically for recording and producing
> professional audio. I am somewhat new to Linux (and to building computers),
> but I would like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu and gradually switch over to
> Ubuntu for my recording projects.
>
> I want to make sure all of the hardware I buy is Linux compatible. Does
> anyone have recommendations for what to buy, or what not to buy?
>
> Or, what's your dream setup for a Linux audio machine?

Depends a lot on how much stuff you want to hook up externally. How
many channels do you want to record at the same time? Are you going to
mix in software (Ardour) or go to an external digital board? How much
automation do you require? How many channels of external effects
(reverb, etc.) running at the same time? What base frequency are you
going to run? (44.1K, 96K, 192K, etc.)

As a good starting point I've been very happy with my HDSP 9652.
They're getting a bit old-school as they are PCI based so they aren't
great for mobile rigs. I've not tried any of the 1394 devices under
Linux (ala the Digi 002 devices that I've used under Windows) so I
cannot help with that.

External devices such as a D/A for your mains and other things can be
discussed when we get a better idea of what you're trying to build.

- Mark


From otherbobby at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 15:27:35 2008
From: otherbobby at gmail.com (b m)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:27:35 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>

I am basically recording one track at a time, solo project style. Two
simultaneous inputs would be sufficient. Mix in Ardour. No external boards
or effects. At most, 20-25 audio and midi tracks each running a few effects
(usually just compression and reverb). 88 or 96k would be ideal.

Nothing mobile is needed. Just a home DAW, so PCI is fine, and probably
optimal for latency right?

Thanks for the quick response!

-Bobby

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, b m <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am going to build a new machine specifically for recording and
> producing
> > professional audio. I am somewhat new to Linux (and to building
> computers),
> > but I would like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu and gradually switch over to
> > Ubuntu for my recording projects.
> >
> > I want to make sure all of the hardware I buy is Linux compatible. Does
> > anyone have recommendations for what to buy, or what not to buy?
> >
> > Or, what's your dream setup for a Linux audio machine?
>
> Depends a lot on how much stuff you want to hook up externally. How
> many channels do you want to record at the same time? Are you going to
> mix in software (Ardour) or go to an external digital board? How much
> automation do you require? How many channels of external effects
> (reverb, etc.) running at the same time? What base frequency are you
> going to run? (44.1K, 96K, 192K, etc.)
>
> As a good starting point I've been very happy with my HDSP 9652.
> They're getting a bit old-school as they are PCI based so they aren't
> great for mobile rigs. I've not tried any of the 1394 devices under
> Linux (ala the Digi 002 devices that I've used under Windows) so I
> cannot help with that.
>
> External devices such as a D/A for your mains and other things can be
> discussed when we get a better idea of what you're trying to build.
>
> - Mark
>
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From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 15:46:20 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:46:20 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
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OK, then I vote for an HDSP 9636 with a Benchmark DAC1 for you mains.
Preamp inputs are up to you. The DAC1 seems to be an outdated model
now as Benchmark has added USB functionality so maybe you can get away
without the HDSP but I wouldn't know. Risky.

You could also look into the ADI series od A/D, D/A converters from
RME since they'll function perfectly with an HDSP.

Speakers, mics, etc., are up to you.

- mark

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:27 PM, b m <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am basically recording one track at a time, solo project style. Two
> simultaneous inputs would be sufficient. Mix in Ardour. No external boards
> or effects. At most, 20-25 audio and midi tracks each running a few effects
> (usually just compression and reverb). 88 or 96k would be ideal.
>
> Nothing mobile is needed. Just a home DAW, so PCI is fine, and probably
> optimal for latency right?
>
> Thanks for the quick response!
>
> -Bobby
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM, b m <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I am going to build a new machine specifically for recording and
>> > producing
>> > professional audio. I am somewhat new to Linux (and to building
>> > computers),
>> > but I would like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu and gradually switch over to
>> > Ubuntu for my recording projects.
>> >
>> > I want to make sure all of the hardware I buy is Linux compatible. Does
>> > anyone have recommendations for what to buy, or what not to buy?
>> >
>> > Or, what's your dream setup for a Linux audio machine?
>>
>> Depends a lot on how much stuff you want to hook up externally. How
>> many channels do you want to record at the same time? Are you going to
>> mix in software (Ardour) or go to an external digital board? How much
>> automation do you require? How many channels of external effects
>> (reverb, etc.) running at the same time? What base frequency are you
>> going to run? (44.1K, 96K, 192K, etc.)
>>
>> As a good starting point I've been very happy with my HDSP 9652.
>> They're getting a bit old-school as they are PCI based so they aren't
>> great for mobile rigs. I've not tried any of the 1394 devices under
>> Linux (ala the Digi 002 devices that I've used under Windows) so I
>> cannot help with that.
>>
>> External devices such as a D/A for your mains and other things can be
>> discussed when we get a better idea of what you're trying to build.
>>
>> - Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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>


From jh at brainiac.com  Fri Jul 25 15:51:11 2008
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:51:11 -0400
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080725155111.08595aa3.jh@brainiac.com>

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:27:35 -0700
"b m" <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing mobile is needed. Just a home DAW, so PCI is fine, and probably
> optimal for latency right?

I really like the M-Audio Delta series.  The cards are PCI based and 
work extremely well out of the box.  The A/D converters are very quiet
and go up to 24 bit/96kHz.

There's a few levels:
Delta 44 - 4 analog I/O channels
Delta 66 - 4 analog I/O channels, S/PDIF I/O
Delta 1010 - 8 analog I/O channels, S/PDIF I/O, MIDI

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


From anders at dahnielson.com  Fri Jul 25 16:07:39 2008
From: anders at dahnielson.com (Anders Dahnielson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:07:39 +0200
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <20080725155111.08595aa3.jh@brainiac.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080725155111.08595aa3.jh@brainiac.com>
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 21:51, Joe Hartley <jh at brainiac.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:27:35 -0700
> "b m" <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nothing mobile is needed. Just a home DAW, so PCI is fine, and probably
> > optimal for latency right?
>
> I really like the M-Audio Delta series.  The cards are PCI based and
> work extremely well out of the box.  The A/D converters are very quiet
> and go up to 24 bit/96kHz.
>
> There's a few levels:
> Delta 44 - 4 analog I/O channels
> Delta 66 - 4 analog I/O channels, S/PDIF I/O
> Delta 1010 - 8 analog I/O channels, S/PDIF I/O, MIDI
>

And the lowest level:

Audiophile 2496 - 2 analog I/O channels, S/PDIF I/O, MIDI

-- 
Anders Dahnielson
<anders at dahnielson.com>
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From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Fri Jul 25 16:49:23 2008
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:49:23 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <20080725155111.08595aa3.jh@brainiac.com> 
Message-ID: <20080725204923.6C8B9BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 25 July 2008 at 15:51, Joe Hartley <jh at brainiac.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:27:35 -0700
> "b m" <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Nothing mobile is needed. Just a home DAW, so PCI is fine, and probably
> > optimal for latency right?
> 
> I really like the M-Audio Delta series.  The cards are PCI based and 
> work extremely well out of the box.  The A/D converters are very quiet
> and go up to 24 bit/96kHz.
> 
> There's a few levels:
> Delta 44 - 4 analog I/O channels
> Delta 66 - 4 analog I/O channels, S/PDIF I/O
> Delta 1010 - 8 analog I/O channels, S/PDIF I/O, MIDI

I'll second that.  I like my 1010s.

I've been thinking of getting an M-Audio Fast Track Pro for a
different situation, and maybe it'll work in your case?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Fast-Track-Pro-Mobile-USB-Audio-MIDI-Interface?sku=241710 

I'm a bit worried about being all PCI at this point.  Down
the road I can see a time when one might not be able to buy a
motherboard supporting the Delta 1010's PCI interface.

--
Kevin




From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Fri Jul 25 17:00:43 2008
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:00:43 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <20080725210043.2559EBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 25 July 2008 at 11:25, "b m" <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am going to build a new machine specifically for recording and producing
> professional audio. I am somewhat new to Linux (and to building computers),
> but I would like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu and gradually switch over to
> Ubuntu for my recording projects.

Before you settle on Ubuntu, _especially_ if music is your main 
application for this machine, have a look at the various audio 
optimized distributions.

Try here:

http://www.ubuntustudio.org/  --  much like your choice

http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/  --  well supported

http://www.mandriva.com/  --  my choice

http://www.64studio.com/  --  64-bit option

http://www.dynebolic.org/  --  I looked at it once

http://demudi.agnula.org/


Good luck....


--
Kevin




From sv-e at sv-e.dk  Fri Jul 25 17:22:31 2008
From: sv-e at sv-e.dk (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Svend-Erik_Kj=E6r_Madsen?=)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:22:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <20080725210043.2559EBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
References: <20080725210043.2559EBE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>
Message-ID: <488A4417.1040708@sv-e.dk>

Kevin Cosgrove skrev:
> On 25 July 2008 at 11:25, "b m" <otherbobby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> I am going to build a new machine specifically for recording and producing
>> professional audio. I am somewhat new to Linux (and to building computers),
>> but I would like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu and gradually switch over to
>> Ubuntu for my recording projects.
>>     
>
> Before you settle on Ubuntu, _especially_ if music is your main 
> application for this machine, have a look at the various audio 
> optimized distributions.
>
> Try here:
>
> http://www.ubuntustudio.org/  --  much like your choice
>
> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/  --  well supported
>
> http://www.mandriva.com/  --  my choice
>
> http://www.64studio.com/  --  64-bit option
>
> http://www.dynebolic.org/  --  I looked at it once
>
> http://demudi.agnula.org/
>
>
> Good luck....
>
>
> --
> Kevin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>   
Hi

I second that Ubuntu maybe not is a very good choice for serious audio 
production. I was badly hurt a little while ago claiming that I could 
get my windowsXP installation to run at 1.5ms with my RME Multiface 
while my newinstalled UbuntuStudio coun't :)

But after that I tried out SUSE 11.0 with Jacklab, I simply followed 
this guide: http://en.opensuse.org/JackLab/3_Steps_to_JAD_for_Beginners_2

I don't look back at any other distribution, because there is a lot of 
great system management tools to help you work on your distribution, and 
It works well both on my Laptop with pcmcia and on my desktop computer 
with PCI. And now my Multiface runs steaddy at 5.3 ms latency.

/Sv-e


From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Fri Jul 25 19:30:00 2008
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:30:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807251246l7f5390dan7da2b6f651b995f3@mail.gmail.com>
	(Mark Knecht's message of "Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:46:20 -0700")
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251246l7f5390dan7da2b6f651b995f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

"Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> writes:

> D/A converters from RME since they'll function perfectly with an
> HDSP.

The best AD/DA converters on the market are from Analog Devices and
used in Apogee hardware, btw, last I checked. 

-- 
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From fons at kokkinizita.net  Fri Jul 25 17:50:11 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:50:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 01:30:00AM +0200, Esben Stien wrote:

> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > D/A converters from RME since they'll function perfectly with an
> > HDSP.
> 
> The best AD/DA converters on the market are from Analog Devices and
> used in Apogee hardware, btw, last I checked. 

Since we're now in the pricey range:

I've been using two of these recently, and they are 
absolutely great:

<http://www.aphex.com/1788A.htm>

A bit less expensive and perfect for studio use

<http://www.aphex.com/141.htm>
<http://www.aphex.com/142.htm>

These two are for permanent installations, e.g. wired
to a patchbay or analog mixer, monitoring, etc.

BTW, I'm looking for a cardbus <-> ADAT interface for my
IBM R51. Any offers ?

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From otherbobby at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 18:10:43 2008
From: otherbobby at gmail.com (b m)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:10:43 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251246l7f5390dan7da2b6f651b995f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <703f8ead0807251510w4b214835w8cc2892235944eba@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all so much. This is great information. I will definitely check
out the different distros as well as the gear.

Any advice (or links to guides) on linux-compatible processors/motherboards
that can handle serious audio processing? I'm planning on at least 4gb of
RAM, possibly 8gb.

Thanks again!
-Bobby

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:

> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > D/A converters from RME since they'll function perfectly with an
> > HDSP.
>
> The best AD/DA converters on the market are from Analog Devices and
> used in Apogee hardware, btw, last I checked.
>
> --
> Esben Stien is b0ef at e     s      a
>         http://www. s     t    n m
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From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Sat Jul 26 00:02:53 2008
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:02:53 +0200
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <703f8ead0807251510w4b214835w8cc2892235944eba@mail.gmail.com> (b.
	m.'s message of "Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:10:43 -0700")
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251246l7f5390dan7da2b6f651b995f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<703f8ead0807251510w4b214835w8cc2892235944eba@mail.gmail.com>
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"b m" <otherbobby at gmail.com> writes:

> Any advice (or links to guides) on linux-compatible
> processors/motherboards that can handle serious audio processing?
> I'm planning on at least 4gb of RAM, possibly 8gb.

Top of the line from the compu hut is Tyan[0] and iWill. 

[0]http://tyan.com/

Of course, that would be socket F, AMD;)

http://tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=554

A good thing about Tyan boards is that coreboot will run on many of
them.

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From markknecht at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 22:31:43 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:31:43 -0700
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> D/A converters from RME since they'll function perfectly with an
>> HDSP.
>
> The best AD/DA converters on the market are from Analog Devices and
> used in Apogee hardware, btw, last I checked.
>
>

Ja, Apogee makes nice stuff. I have no idea about how it sounds or
whether it would even work with Alsa but reading the new TapeOp
tonight I ran across this device:

http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php

Cute!

- mark


From seablaede at gmail.com  Fri Jul 25 23:22:22 2008
From: seablaede at gmail.com (Thomas Vecchione)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:22:22 -0600
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807251931m1a013026w1b8de03f8c08e6cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251246l7f5390dan7da2b6f651b995f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251931m1a013026w1b8de03f8c08e6cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eb6dc46f0807252022h7eda0ffaw122441cb16afb2a3@mail.gmail.com>

The Duet is a VERY nice device that I love myself.  I run it on my MacBook
Pro.  However to my knowledge there is no support for it on Linux.  Makes a
great portable voiceover setup combined with Ardour on OS-X.  Can't wait for
it to be supported on Linux, and if Apogee helps out Pieter in that regards
I would not have much hesitation in investing in their Symphony.

         Seablade

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name>
> wrote:
> > "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> D/A converters from RME since they'll function perfectly with an
> >> HDSP.
> >
> > The best AD/DA converters on the market are from Analog Devices and
> > used in Apogee hardware, btw, last I checked.
> >
> >
>
> Ja, Apogee makes nice stuff. I have no idea about how it sounds or
> whether it would even work with Alsa but reading the new TapeOp
> tonight I ran across this device:
>
> http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php
>
> Cute!
>
> - mark
> _______________________________________________
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From brummer- at web.de  Sat Jul 26 03:33:14 2008
From: brummer- at web.de (Hermann Meyer)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:33:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Evil JACK trouble (FIXED, got a patch!)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151544050.27412@arima>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807141605520.24057@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151455220.27412@arima>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64L.0807151544050.27412@arima>
Message-ID: <200807260933.15222.brummer-@web.de>

Hi Julien

Today I make a fresh outcheck from jack svn(0.112.1), I found the jack_connect 
tool working again without a change in the source, but it have turn the 
ports. jack_connect work now like that
jack_connect system:playback_1 system:capture_3
for example, that is contra to the bash completion wich will indicate a 
inputport at first argument.

regards   hermann

Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2008 15:45:33 schrieb Julien Claassen:
> Hi everyone!
>    I fixed the connect.c from jack 0.112.0. It was mainly some confusing
> inputs with outputs and forgetting a return statement.
>    Whom to send the file now?
>    Kindest regards
>          Julien





From pieterp at joow.be  Sat Jul 26 05:37:19 2008
From: pieterp at joow.be (Pieter Palmers)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:37:19 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <1216640105.16410.0.camel@localhost>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost>	
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>	
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost>
	<486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>	 <1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost>
	<4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>	 <4870CDFB.20402@joow.be>
	<1216127616.6850.11.camel@localhost>	 <487CB974.3060708@joow.be>	
	<ff11e1560807151744l44449edbl408c909a636ce6d9@mail.gmail.com>	
	<487DAFFF.9090202@joow.be> <1216640105.16410.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <488AF04F.6030004@joow.be>

Chris Wenn wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:23 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote:
> 
>> It would be good if you could run the ffado-diag tool such that we can 
>> figure out what hardware revision of the ricoh chip you have.
>>
>> Greets,
>>
>> Pieter
> 
> Hi Pieter
> 
> Thanks for this... output attached.

Thanks for the log.

I don't really have time to work on the ricoh issues, but at least the 
info is stored now.

Greets,

Pieter


From fbar at footils.org  Sat Jul 26 06:47:55 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:47:55 +0200
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080726104755.GC14155@fliwatut.scifi>

Hallo,
b m hat gesagt: // b m wrote:

> I am basically recording one track at a time, solo project style. Two
> simultaneous inputs would be sufficient. Mix in Ardour. No external boards
> or effects. At most, 20-25 audio and midi tracks each running a few effects
> (usually just compression and reverb). 88 or 96k would be ideal.

Then you can also get some kind of ICE1712-chip based card. The
M-Audio Delta cards are very popular among Linux users. They provide
up to 10/12 channels (Delta 1010) and have a very good quality/price
ratio. Other manufacturers make similar cards.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__


From dsbaikov at gmail.com  Sat Jul 26 08:00:07 2008
From: dsbaikov at gmail.com (Dmitry Baikov)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:00:07 +0400
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <20080725215011.GB3033@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251246l7f5390dan7da2b6f651b995f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<20080725215011.GB3033@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
Message-ID: <70a871c80807260500m4b1ef2d8k8c31e7d5152badef@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net> wrote:
> BTW, I'm looking for a cardbus <-> ADAT interface for my
> IBM R51. Any offers ?

The only option I know - RME HDSP Cardbus + Digiface.


Regards,
Dmitry.


From ktenney at gmail.com  Sat Jul 26 11:32:15 2008
From: ktenney at gmail.com (Kent Tenney)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:32:15 -0500
Subject: [LAU] Saving a sample with metadata
Message-ID: <ca816810807260832k2e9fb93du375bf3c73ee8ddfc@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

I like pulling bits from songs, I select in Audacity save as .ogg.

I would like a setup which annotated the sample with the name
of the source file, start and stop time.

Does such capability exist?

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Kent


From sebastian.porstendorfer at web.de  Sat Jul 26 16:45:56 2008
From: sebastian.porstendorfer at web.de (Sebastian Porstendorfer)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:45:56 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Weird recording behaviour with ardour2
Message-ID: <488B8D04.1070802@web.de>

Hi,

I have an annoying problem.

Anytime I record on a track in ardour2, I can only do that once -
next time I try, it acts like it records, but nothing is actually recorded.

I use an m-audio delta 1010lt with ubuntustudio 8.04.

Has anyone encountered this kind of behaviour before?
When I googled for similar erroneous behaviour, I only found
a post that had to do with xruns occuring in jack -
which I hardly believe is the problem here, since i configured
jack quite conservatively and it shows me no xruns.

Thanks in advance,

lucem / sebastian


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Sat Jul 26 17:32:58 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:32:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] Weird recording behaviour with ardour2
In-Reply-To: <488B8D04.1070802@web.de>
References: <488B8D04.1070802@web.de>
Message-ID: <1217107978.7232.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>


On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 22:45 +0200, Sebastian Porstendorfer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have an annoying problem.
> 
> Anytime I record on a track in ardour2, I can only do that once -
> next time I try, it acts like it records, but nothing is actually recorded.

whenever you (or any other user) mentions a problem with ardour, you
MUST state the version you are using. take a look at the release notes
for 2.4 or 2.5 (or even 2.3) ... this program changes dramatically from
version to version and without as version number, we can't tell if you
are encountering a problem that is already fixed.

if distributions would get their acts together, our first piece of
advice would always be "upgrade to the most recent release", but i
understand that this is not always possible.

--p





From folderol at ukfsn.org  Sat Jul 26 19:50:06 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:50:06 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Where is everybody?
Message-ID: <20080727005006.585dea15@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>

It's very quiet on LAM lately. I've actually managed to get two of my
entries adjacent to each other.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From loki.davison at gmail.com  Sat Jul 26 22:28:05 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:28:05 +1000
Subject: [LAU] best hardware for pro audio recording?
In-Reply-To: <70a871c80807260500m4b1ef2d8k8c31e7d5152badef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <703f8ead0807251125wb8967f0mc2b5f73a180b2915@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251157j379a406fgd0b6a1d374440984@mail.gmail.com>
	<703f8ead0807251227u5a5f5076l8ca52cd8a0d7c73f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807251246l7f5390dan7da2b6f651b995f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87prp1iltz.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<20080725215011.GB3033@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<70a871c80807260500m4b1ef2d8k8c31e7d5152badef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec9314860807261928j2b3000d4m5f69c683a51ef2b3@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/26/08, Dmitry Baikov <dsbaikov at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net>
> wrote:
>> BTW, I'm looking for a cardbus <-> ADAT interface for my
>> IBM R51. Any offers ?
>
> The only option I know - RME HDSP Cardbus + Digiface.
>
>
> Regards,
> Dmitry.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

or older echo audio gear, mona/gina/layla cardbus ones, but you'd have
to pick them up second hand as they've been replaced by firewire in
the new lines. You still have an external box of other stuff though.

Loki


From kevinc at cosgroves.us  Sat Jul 26 22:42:28 2008
From: kevinc at cosgroves.us (Kevin Cosgrove)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:42:28 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Where is everybody?
In-Reply-To: <20080727005006.585dea15@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org> 
Message-ID: <20080727024228.22292BE031@joseph.cosgroves.us>


On 27 July 2008 at 0:50, Folderol <folderol at ukfsn.org> wrote:

> It's very quiet on LAM lately. I've actually managed to get two of my
> entries adjacent to each other.

Shhhh.  We're playing hide and seek.  Now everyone will know where 
we're hiding.  Gotta run....
 
--
Kevin




From christopher.wenn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 27 02:30:03 2008
From: christopher.wenn at gmail.com (Chris Wenn)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:30:03 +1000
Subject: [LAU] Focusrite Saffire LE (2)
In-Reply-To: <488AF04F.6030004@joow.be>
References: <1214488227.7456.8.camel@localhost>
	<1215081656.8978.2.camel@localhost> <486CC576.7010206@joow.be>
	<1215221326.13364.4.camel@localhost> <486F6FB9.8090904@joow.be>
	<1215270651.9826.0.camel@localhost> <4870B40D.2000205@joow.be>
	<4870CDFB.20402@joow.be> <1216127616.6850.11.camel@localhost>
	<487CB974.3060708@joow.be>
	<ff11e1560807151744l44449edbl408c909a636ce6d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<487DAFFF.9090202@joow.be> <1216640105.16410.0.camel@localhost>
	<488AF04F.6030004@joow.be>
Message-ID: <1217140203.14652.2.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 11:37 +0200, Pieter Palmers wrote:
> Chris Wenn wrote:

> Thanks for the log.
> 
> I don't really have time to work on the ricoh issues, but at least the 
> info is stored now.
> 
> Greets,
> 
> Pieter

No problem, Pieter.

I think it's really a problem with the hardware that won't be fixed
until I replace this laptop (sometime next year)

Thanks for all your help

Chris



From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Sun Jul 27 10:46:31 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:46:31 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Where is everybody?
In-Reply-To: <20080727005006.585dea15@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
References: <20080727005006.585dea15@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
Message-ID: <200807271646.40642.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Sonntag, 27. Juli 2008 schrieb Folderol:
> It's very quiet on LAM lately. I've actually managed to get two of my
> entries adjacent to each other.

Well, either people are working (like me:( ) or at the beach without wifi 
(lucky bast***s)...

But don't hesitate to post music here. ;-)

Arnold
-- 
visit http://www.arnoldarts.de/
---
Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me 
to all your contacts.
After a month or so log in as root and do a "rm -rf /". Or ask your 
administrator to do so...
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From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com  Sun Jul 27 13:08:40 2008
From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea grammostola)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:08:40 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Zynaddsubfx: banks
Message-ID: <ec026eff0807271008v4b660e73mf938e123dd3ff01a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I installed zynaddsubfx from cvs. But how can I manage those banks? I've
downloaded some banks/instruments and can load instruments. But don't get
the banks working...

I did:

$ make
$ su
# cp zynaddsubfx /usr/bin/
# cd ..
# mkdir -p /usr/share/zynaddsubfx
# /bin/cp -a banks presets /usr/share/zynaddsubfx/

In zyn I can go to settings and add a Bank root dirs... but I don't see the
bank in the 'show instrument bank'....
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From wirelessdreamer at gmail.com  Sun Jul 27 13:48:57 2008
From: wirelessdreamer at gmail.com (Nathanael Anderson)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:48:57 -0500
Subject: [LAU] MIDI via Wiimote?
Message-ID: <ec3c0a030807271048g776287b0xfddeab75aec95a24@mail.gmail.com>

Re: MIDI via Wiimote?

there was a project called the wiinstrument that had released some mac and
linux files, but they decided to not continue their work on the project, I
was able to get it It built on ubuntu. the release I used had some problems
with how boost's circular buffer was implemented, so the initial screen
would crash if it was left on.

the wiinstrument wasn't as flexable as I was looking for so I started
working on some wiimote to midi code that will be hosted at
superseq.sourceforge.net. I've already got some joystick and guitarhero to
midi code written, i'm cleaning it up now before posting it. Feel free to
followup if you don't see the code, i've been putting off finishing cleaning
it up for a month or 2.

Nathanael
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From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Sun Jul 27 17:32:02 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:32:02 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Where is everybody?
In-Reply-To: <200807271646.40642.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
References: <20080727005006.585dea15@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>
	<200807271646.40642.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
Message-ID: <488CE952.7000109@hawaii.rr.com>

Arnold Krille wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 27. Juli 2008 schrieb Folderol:
>> It's very quiet on LAM lately. I've actually managed to get two of my
>> entries adjacent to each other.
> 
> Well, either people are working (like me:( )

Or sitting home alone enjoying the usual balmy tradewinds but -

> or at the beach without wifi (lucky bast***s)...

- not at the beach because if I went to the beach I'd probably come back 
with a bunch of pictures to process. I have too many pictures to process 
already!

> But don't hesitate to post music here. ;-)

Well, today was supposed to be the day that we resumed recording our 
church services again (complete with the band). I was to supply the 
external hard drive and take over the post processing and mix down ... 
but something I ate yesterday didn't agree with me so I wasn't able to 
go this morning ... so sometime later this week I might have posted some 
of my first results. Maybe next week.

I do have a couple of recordings made from my Yamaha keyboard. They'd 
been recorded using the keyboard's recording feature, but I found no way 
to transfer the recordings to anything else except by having the 
keyboard play the recording while recording the output on the computer. 
I'd be embarrassed to put them up anywhere!

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From socal_dan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 27 21:45:09 2008
From: socal_dan2000 at yahoo.com (Dan Lyons)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [LAU] New LEET LADSPA plugins - specially for ardour
Message-ID: <15915.28312.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Current version has:

2 in 2 out 1 band Eq with bandwidth
2 in 2 out 8 band Eq with bandwidth
2 in 2 out Stereo Chorus

v0.2 released.

http://code.google.com/p/leetplugins/

- Dan Lyons (coder)



      


From schoappied at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 04:48:02 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:48:02 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <486155DF.20404@gmail.com> <48620A78.8060708@gmail.com>
	<48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com> <48639853.6020609@web.de>
	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com> <48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com> <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
	<487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
Message-ID: <c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/14 Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net>

> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:45:54AM +0200, schoappied wrote:
>
> > Are there maybe older keyboards from roland, yamaha or kurzweil or
> > whatever, which are good and maybe available in a low price class
> > (second hand price class 100 -200 euros) on the second hand market?
>
> I have a 2nd hand Farar SL880 (88 keys). Regarding MIDI
> controllor functionality it's extremely primitive, but
> the keyboard feels good. Paid around 130 euros for it.
>
>
> How do you connect a Fatar sl880 to your computer? I've a maudio audiophile
2496 and a dmp 3 preamp...

A cable must be longer then 1 meter to reach the computer isn't it?
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From rosea.grammostola at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 06:10:14 2008
From: rosea.grammostola at gmail.com (rosea grammostola)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:10:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Zynaddsubfx: banks
In-Reply-To: <2136c3540807271339h38d4c1d7gb63795d75f4cb420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ec026eff0807271008v4b660e73mf938e123dd3ff01a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2136c3540807271339h38d4c1d7gb63795d75f4cb420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec026eff0807280310i630ff24fw488549e04159905f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Marius Stoica <mariustoica at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:08 PM, rosea grammostola <
> rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed zynaddsubfx from cvs. But how can I manage those banks? I've
>> downloaded some banks/instruments and can load instruments. But don't get
>> the banks working...
>>
>> I did:
>>
>> $ make
>> $ su
>> # cp zynaddsubfx /usr/bin/
>> # cd ..
>> # mkdir -p /usr/share/zynaddsubfx
>> # /bin/cp -a banks presets /usr/share/zynaddsubfx/
>>
>> In zyn I can go to settings and add a Bank root dirs... but I don't see
>> the bank in the 'show instrument bank'....
>>
>> Hi, I've installed also zyn from the cvs repository and had the same
>> problem, but after that I've installed the precompiled debian packege for my
>> system and when I started the compiled version it just linked, I think, to
>> the precompiled bank of zyn.  Maybe this might help...
>>
>

Yes, I have solved it. Installed zynaddsubfx first from the repo and then
using cvs... thanks
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From fons at kokkinizita.net  Mon Jul 28 07:02:23 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:02:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48620D1E.8010103@gmail.com>
	<48639853.6020609@web.de> <48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080728110223.GB2741@zita2.kokkinizita.net>

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:48:02AM +0200, Schoap D wrote:

> 2008/7/14 Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net>
>
> > I have a 2nd hand Farar SL880 (88 keys). Regarding MIDI
> > controllor functionality it's extremely primitive, but
> > the keyboard feels good. Paid around 130 euros for it.
> >
> >
> How do you connect a Fatar sl880 to your computer? I've a maudio audiophile
> 2496 and a dmp 3 preamp...

MIDI cable to the EWS88MT I'm using at home.

> A cable must be longer then 1 meter to reach the computer isn't it?

Depends on where you put the computer relative to the keyboard...

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From adrien.daniel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 08:48:24 2008
From: adrien.daniel at gmail.com (Adrien DANIEL)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:48:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Jack with many soundcards
Message-ID: <fce4679b0807280548v51135e0eh774c53fda898ec0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi !

I am wondering how to use JACK with more than one soundcard. For instance,
what if I want to get one of the inputs of my soundcard #1, process it with
a JACK program, and finally send it to one of the outputs of my soundcard #2
?

Should I launch several JACK deamons ? If so, would I be able to
interconnect them ?

Any idea ?

Thanks !

Adrien

NB : I cannot test anything, because I only possess one soundcard for the
moment...
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From adrien.daniel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 08:59:57 2008
From: adrien.daniel at gmail.com (Adrien DANIEL)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:59:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
Message-ID: <fce4679b0807280559m1e38bd81ue4e41668e3f7035b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi !

I am wondering how to use JACK with more than one soundcard. For
instance, what if I want to get one of the inputs of my soundcard #1,
process it with a JACK program, and finally send it to one of the
outputs of my soundcard #2 ?

Should I launch several JACK deamons ? If so, would I be able to
interconnect them ?

Any idea ?

Thanks !

Adrien

NB : I cannot test anything, because I only possess one soundcard for
the moment...

NB2 : I have reposted this message because I think that my first post
was in HTML, sorry !..


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Mon Jul 28 10:01:32 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:01:32 -0400
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
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On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:59 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote:
> Hi !
> 
> I am wondering how to use JACK with more than one soundcard. For
> instance, what if I want to get one of the inputs of my soundcard #1,
> process it with a JACK program, and finally send it to one of the
> outputs of my soundcard #2 ?

currently: 

option 1)
	jackd -d alsa ... -P deviceForPlayback -C deviceForCapture ...

option 2)
	jackd -d alsa ....
	start jack_alsa, a jack client that talks to 2nd (or 3rd or 4th)
soundcard


> Should I launch several JACK deamons ? If so, would I be able to
> interconnect them ?

jack_diplomat can be used to do that. 

jack2 will have some other approaches to these issues.




From adrien.daniel at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 11:51:23 2008
From: adrien.daniel at gmail.com (Adrien DANIEL)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:51:23 +0200
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <1217253692.7232.57.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Thank you very much, that seems to come up to my expectations !

I take advantage of this thread to explain my thoughts.

I was thinking about, for instance, an electric guitar with a built-in
ADC, that could be plugged in a computer via a USB (or Firewire)
cable, the guitar being recognized as a 'snd-usb-audio' device under
the system. With this view in mind, it might be useful to get many
"digital" instruments like that, as well as a DAC, all available in a
single JACK server.

Will JACK2 be able to handle this ? I mean, you run jack2_start, and
all the available (and desired) peripherals appear in the connections.
:)

I suppose that it raises many issues like synchronization between
different physical peripherals. Handling many peripherals as separated
devices might not be optimal compared to one single device with
multiple inputs/outputs, as well. And actually I am not sure this idea
is really essential... :)

That was just a view of a weird future where several people plug all
their USB guitar directly into a single computer, and do not even need
to make use of a guitar amp. What a wonderful future of digital music
I am painting here ! Forget it ! :D

Adrien

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:59 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote:
>> Hi !
>>
>> I am wondering how to use JACK with more than one soundcard. For
>> instance, what if I want to get one of the inputs of my soundcard #1,
>> process it with a JACK program, and finally send it to one of the
>> outputs of my soundcard #2 ?
>
> currently:
>
> option 1)
>        jackd -d alsa ... -P deviceForPlayback -C deviceForCapture ...
>
> option 2)
>        jackd -d alsa ....
>        start jack_alsa, a jack client that talks to 2nd (or 3rd or 4th)
> soundcard
>
>
>> Should I launch several JACK deamons ? If so, would I be able to
>> interconnect them ?
>
> jack_diplomat can be used to do that.
>
> jack2 will have some other approaches to these issues.
>
>
>


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Mon Jul 28 12:01:05 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:01:05 -0400
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <fce4679b0807280851w506002b7jd15eaf1f714e7c4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fce4679b0807280559m1e38bd81ue4e41668e3f7035b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217253692.7232.57.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<fce4679b0807280851w506002b7jd15eaf1f714e7c4e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 17:51 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote:
> Thank you very much, that seems to come up to my expectations !
> 
> I take advantage of this thread to explain my thoughts.
> 
> I was thinking about, for instance, an electric guitar with a built-in
> ADC, that could be plugged in a computer via a USB (or Firewire)
> cable, the guitar being recognized as a 'snd-usb-audio' device under
> the system. With this view in mind, it might be useful to get many
> "digital" instruments like that, as well as a DAC, all available in a
> single JACK server.

JACK is not designed to work this way. it was designed around the
assumption that your instruments plug into some kind of audio interface
(not necessarily analog, it could be all digital). individual
instruments all showing up as distinct USB devices is really rather
outside of the design assumptions that JACK was started with. in
particular, there has long been a model within JACK that device
aggregation was the job of the OS audio services (ALSA, CoreAudio etc).

> Will JACK2 be able to handle this ? I mean, you run jack2_start, and
> all the available (and desired) peripherals appear in the connections.
> :)

its possible. i don't think this is part of the plan at present. a
future in which a USB hub is considered an audio patchbay, and audio
apps have to interrogate the USB bus to determine what is out there ...
well, its not inconceivable, but its not likely to take off, i think.

> I suppose that it raises many issues like synchronization between
> different physical peripherals. Handling many peripherals as separated
> devices might not be optimal compared to one single device with
> multiple inputs/outputs, as well. And actually I am not sure this idea
> is really essential... :)

not only is it essential, its really tending toward the silly. the
converters in those "USB guitars" are not really very good for the most
part, and besides a lot of people still strongly prefer mic-recorded
instruments. oh, and did i mention that a given USB bus will get totally
saturated with very few channels, so to do this usefully for a bunch of
performers you would need a lot of USB busses to connect to.

--p






From fbar at footils.org  Mon Jul 28 12:31:49 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:31:49 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [ot] Pd/MAX grudge match in Toronto - results
Message-ID: <20080728163149.GB2872@fliwatut.scifi>

Hi,

Here's a report from the first ever fight Pd vs. Max/MSP from one of
the contestants.

I knew, David and Dafydd would do it! 

Ciao
-- 
Frank

----- Forwarded message from Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com> -----

From: Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61 at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:41:32 -0400
To: pd-list at iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd/MAX grudge match in Toronto next Thursday

Hi folks

So the event was a success - lots of fun, good-natured competition,
beer and general nonsense.

Pd won 9-6, but several people pointed out that since there was only
one person on the MAX team and two on Pd, maybe the score should have
been 6-4.5 in MAX's favour. Before the final Pong match the score was
4-2 for Pd. We then won Pong 5-4 and added the scores together.

Pd crashed once during the final challenge (building Pong, which
neither team actually ended up doing - we both used the versions we'd
built previously as we were running out of time). David composed a
scathing error report to Apple. MAX forfeited on one challenge (make
Nohands dance), also for time reasons.

One really interesting thing is that both our host, Misha Glouberman
and one blogger, Jordan, neither of whom had had any experience with
patching, seemed to come away with the impression that Pd is much
easier and more efficient to use than MAX.

Pictures here:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/interaccess/

Video here:
http://www.interaccess.org/blog/?p=743

A great blog post, pictures and video here:
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better-midi-software-duel-5

We're already thinking of ways we could do it better next time and of
variations on the theme.

cheers
dafydd

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skype: chickeninthegrass

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From folderol at ukfsn.org  Mon Jul 28 15:51:33 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:51:33 +0100
Subject: [LAU] [ot] Pd/MAX grudge match in Toronto - results
In-Reply-To: <20080728163149.GB2872@fliwatut.scifi>
References: <20080728163149.GB2872@fliwatut.scifi>
Message-ID: <20080728205133.2f227e14@folderol.ukfsn.org.ukfsn.org>

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:31:49 +0200
Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Here's a report from the first ever fight Pd vs. Max/MSP from one of
> the contestants.
> 
> I knew, David and Dafydd would do it! 
> 
> Ciao

Sounds like you had a lot of fun - wish I could get to more of these
events!
-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From cimo75 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 28 18:09:44 2008
From: cimo75 at gmail.com (simone-www.io-sound.org)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:09:44 +0200
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <1217260865.7232.69.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <fce4679b0807280559m1e38bd81ue4e41668e3f7035b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217253692.7232.57.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<fce4679b0807280851w506002b7jd15eaf1f714e7c4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217260865.7232.69.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 17:51 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote:
>> Thank you very much, that seems to come up to my expectations !
>>
>> I take advantage of this thread to explain my thoughts.
>>
>> I was thinking about, for instance, an electric guitar with a built-in
>> ADC, that could be plugged in a computer via a USB (or Firewire)
>> cable, the guitar being recognized as a 'snd-usb-audio' device under
>> the system. With this view in mind, it might be useful to get many
>> "digital" instruments like that, as well as a DAC, all available in a
>> single JACK server.
>
> JACK is not designed to work this way. it was designed around the
> assumption that your instruments plug into some kind of audio interface
> (not necessarily analog, it could be all digital). individual
> instruments all showing up as distinct USB devices is really rather
> outside of the design assumptions that JACK was started with. in
> particular, there has long been a model within JACK that device
> aggregation was the job of the OS audio services (ALSA, CoreAudio etc).
>
>> Will JACK2 be able to handle this ? I mean, you run jack2_start, and
>> all the available (and desired) peripherals appear in the connections.
>> :)
>
> its possible. i don't think this is part of the plan at present. a
> future in which a USB hub is considered an audio patchbay, and audio
> apps have to interrogate the USB bus to determine what is out there ...
> well, its not inconceivable, but its not likely to take off, i think.
>
>> I suppose that it raises many issues like synchronization between
>> different physical peripherals. Handling many peripherals as separated
>> devices might not be optimal compared to one single device with
>> multiple inputs/outputs, as well. And actually I am not sure this idea
>> is really essential... :)
>
> not only is it essential, its really tending toward the silly. the
> converters in those "USB guitars" are not really very good for the most
> part, and besides a lot of people still strongly prefer mic-recorded
well somebody uses good quality cards you see ;)
http://www.io-sound.org/Guitars/Sahira/Sahira.html
> instruments. oh, and did i mention that a given USB bus will get totally
> saturated with very few channels, so to do this usefully for a bunch of
> performers you would need a lot of USB busses to connect to.
>
> --p
>
>
>
>
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From folderol at ukfsn.org  Mon Jul 28 18:13:43 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:13:43 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Zynaddsubfx: banks
In-Reply-To: <ec026eff0807280310i630ff24fw488549e04159905f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ec026eff0807271008v4b660e73mf938e123dd3ff01a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2136c3540807271339h38d4c1d7gb63795d75f4cb420@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:10:14 +0200
"rosea grammostola" <rosea.grammostola at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Marius Stoica <mariustoica at gmail.com>wrote:

<snip>

> Yes, I have solved it. Installed zynaddsubfx first from the repo and then
> using cvs... thanks

Glad you got this sorted :)

I am convinced that Zyn is female

It steals away all your time.
It can throw a massive hissy fit.
But Oh, the joy it brings!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From folderol at ukfsn.org  Mon Jul 28 18:18:44 2008
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:18:44 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Where is everybody?
In-Reply-To: <200807271646.40642.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:46:31 +0200
Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:

> Am Sonntag, 27. Juli 2008 schrieb Folderol:
> > It's very quiet on LAM lately. I've actually managed to get two of my
> > entries adjacent to each other.
> 
> Well, either people are working (like me:( ) or at the beach without wifi 
> (lucky bast***s)...
> 
> But don't hesitate to post music here. ;-)
> 
> Arnold

I have posted links to some of my stuff here in the past, but as I'm no
longer a total noob, I'm reluctant to clutter up what I think is more a
discussion list rather than a promotional one - unless i think I've
produced something exceptional.

L.A.M (http://lam.fugal.net/) however is a nice, simply designed site
specifically for posting your links.

Usual disclaimer:
I could be wrong
Others will probably disagree

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk


From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 06:34:17 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:34:17 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <20080728110223.GB2741@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48639853.6020609@web.de>
	<48639AC2.20506@gmail.com> <48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com> <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
	<487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/7/28 Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net>

> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:48:02AM +0200, Schoap D wrote:
>
> > 2008/7/14 Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net>
> >
> > > I have a 2nd hand Farar SL880 (88 keys). Regarding MIDI
> > > controllor functionality it's extremely primitive, but
> > > the keyboard feels good. Paid around 130 euros for it.
> > >
> > >
> > How do you connect a Fatar sl880 to your computer? I've a maudio
> audiophile
> > 2496 and a dmp 3 preamp...
>
> MIDI cable to the EWS88MT I'm using at home.
>
> > A cable must be longer then 1 meter to reach the computer isn't it?
>
> Depends on where you put the computer relative to the keyboard...
>

:)
That sounds studiological...

One more question about the Fatar 880. Does the + of the adapter is in the
centre of at the side of the adapter??

Regards
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 06:55:07 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:55:07 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <c42e678f0807290334o64c9a7fel27ce5b528ac1afcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48620A78.8060708@gmail.com> <48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
> One more question about the Fatar 880. Does the + of the adapter is in the
> centre of at the side of the adapter??
>
> Regards
>
>
This is what the manual says:

The Studio Logic SL-880 has a connection jack on the rear panel for the AC
POWER SUPPLY
INPUT. The AC adapter POWER SUPPLY supplied with this unit is a positive tip
&V DC with a
minimum current of 200 mA.

But I don't know what positive- tip is...
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From fons at kokkinizita.net  Tue Jul 29 06:45:41 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:45:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <c42e678f0807290334o64c9a7fel27ce5b528ac1afcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48639853.6020609@web.de> <48639AC2.20506@gmail.com>
	<48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:34:17PM +0200, Schoap D wrote:

> One more question about the Fatar 880. Does the + of the adapter is in the
> centre of at the side of the adapter??

The center pin is +.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From schoappied at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 08:55:54 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:55:54 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <20080729104541.GA3017@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <48639853.6020609@web.de> <48661248.4050507@web.de>
	<4874972A.40706@gmail.com> <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
	<487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080728110223.GB2741@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807290334o64c9a7fel27ce5b528ac1afcd@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/7/29 Fons Adriaensen <fons at kokkinizita.net>

> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:34:17PM +0200, Schoap D wrote:
>
> > One more question about the Fatar 880. Does the + of the adapter is in
> the
> > centre of at the side of the adapter??
>
> The center pin is +.
>
> Thank you very much. It's working :).
I've 7 days to test this keyboard.. Where should I pay attention on?

Regards,
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From fons at kokkinizita.net  Tue Jul 29 08:59:46 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:59:46 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <c42e678f0807290555j263ea6es86ed6771c44a52b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48661248.4050507@web.de> <4874972A.40706@gmail.com>
	<487A764E.3010300@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080728110223.GB2741@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807290334o64c9a7fel27ce5b528ac1afcd@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080729104541.GA3017@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807290555j263ea6es86ed6771c44a52b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080729125946.GB3017@zita2.kokkinizita.net>

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:55:54PM +0200, Schoap D wrote:

> I've 7 days to test this keyboard.. Where should I pay attention on?

Whatever is important to you. Main point is probably if the
keys 'feel' good (and all are working etc.). Experiment with
the shape and velocity settings to see which works best with
your software. Test the mod wheels and the pedal inputs.
As a midi controller the Fatar is very primitive, it's
main quality (for me) was the 'feel' of the keys. I use
it mainly to play piano (also organ, but that feels some-
what strange).

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul 29 10:05:35 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:05:35 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor update, brief
In-Reply-To: <488227D5.6060600@woh.rr.com>
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Greetings,

Just a quick update note re: the Westinghouse monitor. Flickering 
occurred in three vertical bands that would make the hashing in an xterm 
slider appear to be shimmering, an annoying effect that I thought 
warranted taking the unit back to Best Buy. But first I decided to try a 
few fixes, and while fooling around with the monitor controls I came 
across an Auto Adjust that eliminated the flicker entirely. I post this 
report in the hope that if someone else has a similar problem perhaps 
they can find a similar solution on their hardware.

Btw, what's the best font configuration for widescreen monitors ? Most 
things look okay, but some text looks a bit threadbare, as though its 
dpi isn't great enough for the screen size.

Best,

dp



From russ at russbutton.com  Tue Jul 29 10:52:41 2008
From: russ at russbutton.com (Russ Button)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:52:41 -0700
Subject: [LAU] music publishing web site testing
Message-ID: <488F2EB9.5060508@russbutton.com>

I still need a couple of people willing to beta test the music 
publishing web site I'm building.  Ironing out the bugs is the only 
thing keeping this from going live.

I've signed on with Webex, so I can work with anyone, anywhere in the 
USA.  I just need to see what you're doing and what doesn't work for 
you.  I can call you and talk to you while I watch your desktop through 
Webex.

Russ


From sebastian.porstendorfer at web.de  Tue Jul 29 11:23:01 2008
From: sebastian.porstendorfer at web.de (Sebastian Porstendorfer)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:23:01 +0200
Subject: [LAU] (no subject)
Message-ID: <488F35D5.9080309@web.de>

> On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 22:45 +0200, Sebastian Porstendorfer wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > I have an annoying problem.
>> > 
>> > Anytime I record on a track in ardour2, I can only do that once -
>> > next time I try, it acts like it records, but nothing is actually recorded.
>
> whenever you (or any other user) mentions a problem with ardour, you
> MUST state the version you are using. take a look at the release notes
> for 2.4 or 2.5 (or even 2.3) ... this program changes dramatically from
> version to version and without as version number, we can't tell if you
> are encountering a problem that is already fixed.
>
> if distributions would get their acts together, our first piece of
> advice would always be "upgrade to the most recent release", but i
> understand that this is not always possible.
>
> --p
Hi,

thank you Paul, that's certainly my mistake.
I simply forgot to include the information, although
I surely should have known to include it...
anyway, here we go:

ardour2 2.3 (build revision 3029)
jackd 0.109.2
alsa 1.0.16-0ubuntu4

Distribution is ubuntustudio 8.04 (not that I like 
ubuntu in particular, but I wanted to give it a try).

For further reference, my issue was posted on 2008-07-26.

Thanks!

Sebastian




From markknecht at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 11:24:12 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:24:12 -0700
Subject: [LAU] monitor update, brief
In-Reply-To: <488F23AF.1070806@woh.rr.com>
References: <4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com> <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
	<20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com> <488227D5.6060600@woh.rr.com>
	<488F23AF.1070806@woh.rr.com>
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just a quick update note re: the Westinghouse monitor. Flickering
> occurred in three vertical bands that would make the hashing in an xterm
> slider appear to be shimmering, an annoying effect that I thought
> warranted taking the unit back to Best Buy. But first I decided to try a
> few fixes, and while fooling around with the monitor controls I came
> across an Auto Adjust that eliminated the flicker entirely. I post this
> report in the hope that if someone else has a similar problem perhaps
> they can find a similar solution on their hardware.

My machines are all dual boot. I often find that when switching the
other other OS that running the Auto Adjust helps with lots of little
problems.

>
> Btw, what's the best font configuration for widescreen monitors ? Most
> things look okay, but some text looks a bit threadbare, as though its
> dpi isn't great enough for the screen size.

First make sure you are running the monitor at the native resolution
of the monitor. If the spec say 1600x1420, or whatever they say, make
sure that's what's in your xorg.config file. In general I've found
that doing that makes things readable enough for me, although if you
are running a 5x7 font on a 1600 pixel monitor they do get very small.

- Mark


>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>


From jh at brainiac.com  Tue Jul 29 11:49:58 2008
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:49:58 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor update, brief
In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0807290824u26f83d34tfe59f9a76ce60578@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4878CD3E.9000406@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807130548x1560e8f9red3ded1918a77ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com> <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
	<20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com> <488227D5.6060600@woh.rr.com>
	<488F23AF.1070806@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807290824u26f83d34tfe59f9a76ce60578@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080729114958.d30a1aee.jh@brainiac.com>

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:24:12 -0700
"Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave Phillips wrote:
> > Just a quick update note re: the Westinghouse monitor. Flickering
> > occurred in three vertical bands that would make the hashing in an xterm
> > slider appear to be shimmering, an annoying effect that I thought
> > warranted taking the unit back to Best Buy. But first I decided to try a
> > few fixes, and while fooling around with the monitor controls I came
> > across an Auto Adjust that eliminated the flicker entirely. 
> 
> My machines are all dual boot. I often find that when switching the
> other other OS that running the Auto Adjust helps with lots of little
> problems.

I have run into the exact xterm slider artifact as Dave.  I found that
the auto adjust gave me varying results, until I ran it in conjunction
with a program that I got with one of my monitors along the line that
displays a fine grid.  Apparently what the monitor displays at the time
you run the auto adjust makes a huge difference in the result.

Googling for AutoPattern.exe will lead you to a few locations this file
can be found.  It's a Windoze executable but has always run fine for me
under WINE.

-- 
======================================================================
       Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


From coryisatm at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 12:37:33 2008
From: coryisatm at gmail.com (Cory K.)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:37:33 -0400
Subject: [LAU] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <488F35D5.9080309@web.de>
References: <488F35D5.9080309@web.de>
Message-ID: <488F474D.40804@gmail.com>

Sebastian Porstendorfer wrote:
>> On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 22:45 +0200, Sebastian Porstendorfer wrote:
>>     
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have an annoying problem.
>>>>
>>>> Anytime I record on a track in ardour2, I can only do that once -
>>>> next time I try, it acts like it records, but nothing is actually recorded.
>>>>         
>> whenever you (or any other user) mentions a problem with ardour, you
>> MUST state the version you are using. take a look at the release notes
>> for 2.4 or 2.5 (or even 2.3) ... this program changes dramatically from
>> version to version and without as version number, we can't tell if you
>> are encountering a problem that is already fixed.
>>
>> if distributions would get their acts together, our first piece of
>> advice would always be "upgrade to the most recent release", but i
>> understand that this is not always possible.
>>
>> --p
>>     
> Hi,
>
> thank you Paul, that's certainly my mistake.
> I simply forgot to include the information, although
> I surely should have known to include it...
> anyway, here we go:
>
> ardour2 2.3 (build revision 3029)
> jackd 0.109.2
> alsa 1.0.16-0ubuntu4
>
> Distribution is ubuntustudio 8.04 (not that I like 
> ubuntu in particular, but I wanted to give it a try).
>
> For further reference, my issue was posted on 2008-07-26.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sebastian

Soundcard?


From fbar at footils.org  Tue Jul 29 12:41:28 2008
From: fbar at footils.org (Frank Barknecht)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:41:28 +0200
Subject: [LAU] monitor update, brief
In-Reply-To: <20080729114958.d30a1aee.jh@brainiac.com>
References: <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807131224t64db4ae0oc74a5fded48f9f2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com> <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
	<20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com>
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	<20080729114958.d30a1aee.jh@brainiac.com>
Message-ID: <20080729164128.GA11367@footils.org>

Hallo,
Joe Hartley hat gesagt: // Joe Hartley wrote:

> I have run into the exact xterm slider artifact as Dave.  I found that
> the auto adjust gave me varying results, until I ran it in conjunction
> with a program that I got with one of my monitors along the line that
> displays a fine grid.  Apparently what the monitor displays at the time
> you run the auto adjust makes a huge difference in the result.
> 
> Googling for AutoPattern.exe will lead you to a few locations this file
> can be found.  It's a Windoze executable but has always run fine for me
> under WINE.

Here's an AutoPattern for your Browser:
http://autopattern.maettig.com/?lang=en

Ciao
-- 
Frank


From loki.davison at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 19:29:52 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:29:52 +1000
Subject: [LAU] monitor update, brief
In-Reply-To: <20080729164128.GA11367@footils.org>
References: <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>
	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>
	<487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com> <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
	<20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com> <488227D5.6060600@woh.rr.com>
	<488F23AF.1070806@woh.rr.com>
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:
> Hallo,
> Joe Hartley hat gesagt: // Joe Hartley wrote:
>
>> I have run into the exact xterm slider artifact as Dave.  I found that
>> the auto adjust gave me varying results, until I ran it in conjunction
>> with a program that I got with one of my monitors along the line that
>> displays a fine grid.  Apparently what the monitor displays at the time
>> you run the auto adjust makes a huge difference in the result.
>>
>> Googling for AutoPattern.exe will lead you to a few locations this file
>> can be found.  It's a Windoze executable but has always run fine for me
>> under WINE.
>
> Here's an AutoPattern for your Browser:
> http://autopattern.maettig.com/?lang=en
>
> Ciao
> --
> Frank
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

As it mentions on that site, and i mentioned earlier, shouldn't this
just be for analog connections? What cable are you using dave?

Loki


From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul 29 19:48:16 2008
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:48:16 -0400
Subject: [LAU] monitor update, brief
In-Reply-To: <ec9314860807291629n7c2031fdxe2ae2e207e42c79b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com>	<20080713222117.189ad4e3@USHM.mozart.uni-klu.ac.at>	<487AF89A.7010903@hawaii.rr.com>
	<487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>	<20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com>
	<488227D5.6060600@woh.rr.com>	<488F23AF.1070806@woh.rr.com>	<5bdc1c8b0807290824u26f83d34tfe59f9a76ce60578@mail.gmail.com>	<20080729114958.d30a1aee.jh@brainiac.com>	<20080729164128.GA11367@footils.org>
	<ec9314860807291629n7c2031fdxe2ae2e207e42c79b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <488FAC40.9070002@woh.rr.com>

Loki Davison wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:
>   
>> Here's an AutoPattern for your Browser:
>> http://autopattern.maettig.com/?lang=en
>>     
>
> As it mentions on that site, and i mentioned earlier, shouldn't this
> just be for analog connections? What cable are you using dave?
Hi Loki,

I'm using a VGA connector on the Westinghouse, but I've ordered a 
digital cable for it.

Since the monitor is now working nicely I haven't checked out the site, 
but I'll take a look at it later tonight.

Best,

dp



From loki.davison at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 19:59:59 2008
From: loki.davison at gmail.com (Loki Davison)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:59:59 +1000
Subject: [LAU] monitor update, brief
In-Reply-To: <488FAC40.9070002@woh.rr.com>
References: <487A1BD4.6020004@woh.rr.com> <487F55E3.7070707@woh.rr.com>
	<20080717162417.GC29690@zhevny.com> <488227D5.6060600@woh.rr.com>
	<488F23AF.1070806@woh.rr.com>
	<5bdc1c8b0807290824u26f83d34tfe59f9a76ce60578@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080729114958.d30a1aee.jh@brainiac.com>
	<20080729164128.GA11367@footils.org>
	<ec9314860807291629n7c2031fdxe2ae2e207e42c79b@mail.gmail.com>
	<488FAC40.9070002@woh.rr.com>
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Loki Davison wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's an AutoPattern for your Browser:
>>> http://autopattern.maettig.com/?lang=en
>>>
>>
>> As it mentions on that site, and i mentioned earlier, shouldn't this
>> just be for analog connections? What cable are you using dave?
> Hi Loki,
>
> I'm using a VGA connector on the Westinghouse, but I've ordered a
> digital cable for it.
>
> Since the monitor is now working nicely I haven't checked out the site,
> but I'll take a look at it later tonight.
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-audio-user mailing list
> Linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
>

ahh, no need for adjustment with proper (DVI) cables. So all probs
should be fix.

It's stupid that they sell them with VGA cables now days, my monitor
here is DVI only.

Loki


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Wed Jul 30 07:34:14 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:34:14 -0400
Subject: [LAU] [Fwd: [Alsa-devel-old] RME madiface]
Message-ID: <1217417654.2619.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

forwarded to LAU where you're a bit more likely to find help (lower
signal-to-noise ratio).

--p

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From mail at tinco.nl  Wed Jul 30 11:10:14 2008
From: mail at tinco.nl (Tinco Andringa)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:10:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Boss GT-10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1217426313.23007.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
References: <mailman.0.1217426313.23007.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
Message-ID: <BLU138-W39F3731015FBB435C170B7A07D0@phx.gbl>


Hello, 

I am a bit new to this so please bear with me. I'm trying to get my Boss GT-10 to work on my (arch) linux install. 

I added the patch that was suggested in the post I reply to to my usbquirks.h and compiled alsa using the guide on this site: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-usb-audio with as only difference that I configured with '--with-cards=all'. 

After this my BOSS GT-10 was recognised by linux and I am able to play sound over it using aplay. Recording however seems not to work. When I run arecord -L it shows all three of my audio cards, including the bossgt, but when I do alsamixer -c 2 it gives the following error:  No mixer elems found. Using a command like arecord -d 5 -t wav test.wav just gives me the sound recorded by the microphone in another soundcard. It could be that it's just a matter of using -D to select the right PCM, but I'm not sure how to find the right PCM.

I suspect this is the reason I cannot record, do you have any idea what goes wrong? Another question more out of curiosity, why does the patch specify USB_DEVICE(0x0592,0x00da) whilst the usb device as listed by lsusb has id 0x00db?

If I need supply any specific information 

With kind regards and gratitude for the patch,
Tinco Andringa

--- In reply to: ---
Clemens Ladisch cladisch at fastmail.net   

Thu Jul 24 12:04:48 EDT 2008

edro Ferreira wrote:
> OK, I've added the output as an attachment :).

Sorry for the delay.

Please try adding the entry below anywhere in sound/usb/usbquirks.h
and recompile the driver:


{
        /* BOSS GT-10 */
        USB_DEVICE(0x0582, 0x00da),
        .driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk) {
                .ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE,
                .type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE,
                .data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) {
                        {
                                .ifnum = 0,
                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
                        },
                        {
                                .ifnum = 1,
                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
                        },
                        {
                                .ifnum = 2,
                                .type = QUIRK_MIDI_FIXED_ENDPOINT,
                                .data = & (const struct snd_usb_midi_endpoint_info) {
                                        .out_cables = 0x0001,
                                        .in_cables  = 0x0001
                                }
                        },
                        {
                                .ifnum = -1
                        }
                }
        }
},



HTH
Clemens

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From schoappied at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 11:26:16 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:26:16 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <20080729125946.GB3017@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
References: <48661248.4050507@web.de> <487A764E.3010300@web.de>
	<487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
	<20080714091020.GD3018@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080728110223.GB2741@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807290334o64c9a7fel27ce5b528ac1afcd@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080729104541.GA3017@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
	<c42e678f0807290555j263ea6es86ed6771c44a52b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080729125946.GB3017@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
Message-ID: <c42e678f0807300826n3a7c9d51s50a2c7e4e51fb57e@mail.gmail.com>

Whatever is important to you. Main point is probably if the
> keys 'feel' good (and all are working etc.). Experiment with
> the shape and velocity settings to see which works best with
> your software. Test the mod wheels and the pedal inputs.
> As a midi controller the Fatar is very primitive, it's
> main quality (for me) was the 'feel' of the keys. I use
> it mainly to play piano (also organ, but that feels some-
> what strange).
>

Hi,

Yes the keys feel is important for me too.

I've tested the keyboard and I am not able to use zone 2. I can manage the
others to work....
What can be the faillure here? The hardware which fails... maybe my settings
are not right? >> Suggestions, options??!

About velocity, what is good for a piano feel?

Kind regards,
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From martin.wohlleben at gmx.de  Wed Jul 30 13:55:25 2008
From: martin.wohlleben at gmx.de (Martin Wohlleben)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:55:25 +0200
Subject: [LAU] [Fwd: [Alsa-devel-old] RME madiface]
In-Reply-To: <1217417654.2619.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1217417654.2619.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1217440525.5567.7.camel@localhost>

Hi,

It looks like hdspconf isn't working for the madiface. I found a link
where someone tried different firmwares and set the world clock by using
amixer. 

Maybe this helps:
http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1080

Martin


On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:34 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> forwarded to LAU where you're a bit more likely to find help (lower
> signal-to-noise ratio).
> 
> --p
> 
> email message attachment, "Forwarded message - [Alsa-devel-old] RME
> madiface"
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: D. Sen <dsen at homemail.com>
> > To: alsa-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: [Alsa-devel-old] RME madiface
> > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:27:44 +1000
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have been trying to use the hdspm driver with a recently purchased RME
> > Madiface device. The functionality that I require is to play various
> > files through various channels under program (script) control. I am
> > happy to report that it *almost* works - in that I can use my simple
> > userspace programs to play files. However, there are subtle problems -
> > in that the external MADI A-to-D (an Euphonix 703) does not seem to lock
> > into the sampling rate (something that works under windows). Its very
> > close to achieving full functionality (for my needs) - but just that
> > tiny bit away from being fully useable.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Havent had much luck contacting RME and Winfried Ritsch (who
> > wrote/maintains the code).
> > 
> > Information on the the hardware and/or windows code would help to figure
> > out how to modify the driver (which was originally written for the rme
> > 9652/aes32 devices).
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > D. Sen
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From ilzogoiby at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 18:01:05 2008
From: ilzogoiby at gmail.com (Pedro Ferreira)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:01:05 +0100
Subject: [LAU] Boss GT-10
In-Reply-To: <BLU138-W39F3731015FBB435C170B7A07D0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.0.1217426313.23007.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<BLU138-W39F3731015FBB435C170B7A07D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7d20cdf10807301501w23d42c8rd0f8f011b166f125@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
The "No mixer elems found" error is normal. A for the rest, I guess
you are not correctly selecting the device for recording.

arecord --device=default:CARD=GT10 -t wav -f s16_le -r 44100 -c 2 test.wav

works for me :)

Good luck,

Pedro

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Tinco Andringa <mail at tinco.nl> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a bit new to this so please bear with me. I'm trying to get my Boss GT-10 to work on my (arch) linux install.
>
> I added the patch that was suggested in the post I reply to to my usbquirks.h and compiled alsa using the guide on this site: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-usb-audio with as only difference that I configured with '--with-cards=all'.
>
> After this my BOSS GT-10 was recognised by linux and I am able to play sound over it using aplay. Recording however seems not to work. When I run arecord -L it shows all three of my audio cards, including the bossgt, but when I do alsamixer -c 2 it gives the following error:  No mixer elems found. Using a command like arecord -d 5 -t wav test.wav just gives me the sound recorded by the microphone in another soundcard. It could be that it's just a matter of using -D to select the right PCM, but I'm not sure how to find the right PCM.
>
> I suspect this is the reason I cannot record, do you have any idea what goes wrong? Another question more out of curiosity, why does the patch specify USB_DEVICE(0x0592,0x00da) whilst the usb device as listed by lsusb has id 0x00db?
>
> If I need supply any specific information
>
> With kind regards and gratitude for the patch,
> Tinco Andringa
>
> --- In reply to: ---
> Clemens Ladisch cladisch at fastmail.net
>
> Thu Jul 24 12:04:48 EDT 2008
>
> edro Ferreira wrote:
>> OK, I've added the output as an attachment :).
>
> Sorry for the delay.
>
> Please try adding the entry below anywhere in sound/usb/usbquirks.h
> and recompile the driver:
>
>
> {
>        /* BOSS GT-10 */
>        USB_DEVICE(0x0582, 0x00da),
>        .driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk) {
>                .ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE,
>                .type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE,
>                .data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) {
>                        {
>                                .ifnum = 0,
>                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
>                        },
>                        {
>                                .ifnum = 1,
>                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
>                        },
>                        {
>                                .ifnum = 2,
>                                .type = QUIRK_MIDI_FIXED_ENDPOINT,
>                                .data = & (const struct snd_usb_midi_endpoint_info) {
>                                        .out_cables = 0x0001,
>                                        .in_cables  = 0x0001
>                                }
>                        },
>                        {
>                                .ifnum = -1
>                        }
>                }
>        }
> },
>
>
>
> HTH
> Clemens
>
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From mail at tinco.nl  Wed Jul 30 18:32:42 2008
From: mail at tinco.nl (Tinco Andringa)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:32:42 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Boss GT-10
In-Reply-To: <7d20cdf10807301501w23d42c8rd0f8f011b166f125@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.0.1217426313.23007.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<BLU138-W39F3731015FBB435C170B7A07D0@phx.gbl> 
	<7d20cdf10807301501w23d42c8rd0f8f011b166f125@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU138-W153D6C34F480E45D7C1738A07D0@phx.gbl>


Awesome thanks, that works :D So that only leaves my curiosity question, anyone got a clue? Is this patch btw on track for inclusion in the driver? I noticed the vendor info stuff wasn't in it so it doesn't look like a realy driver patch, I added vendor info in my patch. I will test tomorrow if it works with the floorboard software to see if it works with the midi stuff too.

Cheers,
Tinco
----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:01:05 +0100
> From: ilzogoiby at gmail.com
> To: mail at tinco.nl
> Subject: Re: [LAU] Boss GT-10
> CC: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
> 
> Hello,
> The "No mixer elems found" error is normal. A for the rest, I guess
> you are not correctly selecting the device for recording.
> 
> arecord --device=default:CARD=GT10 -t wav -f s16_le -r 44100 -c 2 test.wav
> 
> works for me :)
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Pedro
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Tinco Andringa  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am a bit new to this so please bear with me. I'm trying to get my Boss GT-10 to work on my (arch) linux install.
>>
>> I added the patch that was suggested in the post I reply to to my usbquirks.h and compiled alsa using the guide on this site: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-usb-audio with as only difference that I configured with '--with-cards=all'.
>>
>> After this my BOSS GT-10 was recognised by linux and I am able to play sound over it using aplay. Recording however seems not to work. When I run arecord -L it shows all three of my audio cards, including the bossgt, but when I do alsamixer -c 2 it gives the following error:  No mixer elems found. Using a command like arecord -d 5 -t wav test.wav just gives me the sound recorded by the microphone in another soundcard. It could be that it's just a matter of using -D to select the right PCM, but I'm not sure how to find the right PCM.
>>
>> I suspect this is the reason I cannot record, do you have any idea what goes wrong? Another question more out of curiosity, why does the patch specify USB_DEVICE(0x0592,0x00da) whilst the usb device as listed by lsusb has id 0x00db?
>>
>> If I need supply any specific information
>>
>> With kind regards and gratitude for the patch,
>> Tinco Andringa
>>
>> --- In reply to: ---
>> Clemens Ladisch cladisch at fastmail.net
>>
>> Thu Jul 24 12:04:48 EDT 2008
>>
>> edro Ferreira wrote:
>>> OK, I've added the output as an attachment :).
>>
>> Sorry for the delay.
>>
>> Please try adding the entry below anywhere in sound/usb/usbquirks.h
>> and recompile the driver:
>>
>>
>> {
>>        /* BOSS GT-10 */
>>        USB_DEVICE(0x0582, 0x00da),
>>        .driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk) {
>>                .ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE,
>>                .type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE,
>>                .data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) {
>>                        {
>>                                .ifnum = 0,
>>                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
>>                        },
>>                        {
>>                                .ifnum = 1,
>>                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
>>                        },
>>                        {
>>                                .ifnum = 2,
>>                                .type = QUIRK_MIDI_FIXED_ENDPOINT,
>>                                .data = & (const struct snd_usb_midi_endpoint_info) {
>>                                        .out_cables = 0x0001,
>>                                        .in_cables  = 0x0001
>>                                }
>>                        },
>>                        {
>>                                .ifnum = -1
>>                        }
>>                }
>>        }
>> },
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>> Clemens
>>
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From matt at smiffytech.com  Wed Jul 30 22:13:42 2008
From: matt at smiffytech.com (Matthew Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:43:42 +0930
Subject: [LAU] Trying to get rid of xruns
Message-ID: <48911FD6.10700@smiffytech.com>

Hi Folks

After a long (15 years) break in music making/recording, I have just set 
myself up with a new virtual studio - bit of a culture shock when all my 
previous experience was analogue plus Notator on an Atari.

I'm running Gentoo Linux (x86_64) on a dual-core ThinkPad with 1.5Gb 
RAM.  To save unnecessary processing overhead and because I like a 
'clean' desktop, I am using the Fluxbox window manager.

My current studio consists of:

* Jack
* Rosegarden
* Zynaddsubfx
* Xsynth
* Fluidsynth
* Hydrogen
* Samson C01U USB microphone
* Behringer UCA202 audio adapter
* Roland/Edirol PC-300 MIDI controller

In an attempt to fix any latency issues, I have used the RT-modified 
ketchup to get myself a kernel 2.6.25.8-rt7.  RT profile is selected, 
timer at 1kHz.  I have stripped much of my day-to-day stuff out of the 
kernel configuration so that I have a dual-boot configuration, one for 
'normal' work, the other just for audio.  I have also created a separate 
profile for the RT kernel so that only essential services are started.

Whilst going from the 'low-latency desktop' of my standard kernel to the 
RT kernel has made a huge difference in the number of xruns that I am 
seeing on Jack, it hasn't cured them completely.

My test configuration routes my MIDI keyboard through Jack, to 
Rosegarden to Jack, to Zynaddsubfx to Jack, to ALSA out.  I find that 
whilst playing - even when pushing down an unreasonable number of keys 
very quickly - I don't get any clicks or pops.  I do, however, get the 
occasional xrun.  Weird thing is that sometimes I get them when I'm 
hardly doing anything at all.

Jack connection parameters are priority=9, Frames/Period=512, Sample 
Rate=44100, Periods/Buffer=3.

At the end of dmesg, there seem to be a lot of errors or warnings - 
don't know if they're significant.  I've put them here:
<http://www.smiffysplace.com/files/dmesg_rt_20080731>
(For some reason, the top bit of dmesg got lost - hope this doesn't 
matter.  Can re-create if required.)

Kernel config is here:
<http://www.smiffysplace.com/files/kconfig_rt_20080731>

PAM is configured for the audio group (yes I am in it!):
@audio  -  rtprio 99
@audio  -  memlock 250000
@audio  -  nice -10

I've now pretty well exhausted the results of my Googling but am still 
not sure what I'm doing wrong or if these xruns may be safely ignored 
(I'm assuming they can't be).  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers

M

-- 
Matthew Smith
Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development
Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/
Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy


From markknecht at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 00:22:36 2008
From: markknecht at gmail.com (Mark Knecht)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:22:36 -0700
Subject: [LAU] Trying to get rid of xruns
In-Reply-To: <48911FD6.10700@smiffytech.com>
References: <48911FD6.10700@smiffytech.com>
Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0807302122j12b94a1ej57ac4721cabed948@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Matthew Smith <matt at smiffytech.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> After a long (15 years) break in music making/recording, I have just set
> myself up with a new virtual studio - bit of a culture shock when all my
> previous experience was analogue plus Notator on an Atari.

Welcome back!
>
> I'm running Gentoo Linux (x86_64) on a dual-core ThinkPad with 1.5Gb
> RAM.  To save unnecessary processing overhead and because I like a
> 'clean' desktop, I am using the Fluxbox window manager.

Good choices.

>
<SNIP>
> At the end of dmesg, there seem to be a lot of errors or warnings -
> don't know if they're significant.  I've put them here:
> <http://www.smiffysplace.com/files/dmesg_rt_20080731>
> (For some reason, the top bit of dmesg got lost - hope this doesn't
> matter.  Can re-create if required.)
>
> Kernel config is here:
> <http://www.smiffysplace.com/files/kconfig_rt_20080731>
>

These are *absolutely* an issue and must be solved before you can
really move forward on the xrun problem. Solving this issue may
eliminate your xruns. Won't know until we get there.

I would look into joining the linux-rt-users email list and post the
bugs there. One of those folks will have a good idea what's going on
and what kernel config options are probably kicking it off. Even if
you find it yourself and eliminate it they will still want the info.

Good luck,
Mark


From gprestonc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 00:30:43 2008
From: gprestonc at gmail.com (Preston C.)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:30:43 -0400
Subject: [LAU] real time in Debian...
Message-ID: <666e6e380807302130w91aa818ua41890cfdd14b0e3@mail.gmail.com>

I have Debian installed and was wondering if it was possible to get a
real-time kernel in Debian? I do not want to use 64 studio, but was
hoping for a site like Planet CCRMA for Fedora, just for Debian. Is
there anything like this? Many Thanks, Preston


From reuben.m at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 01:24:22 2008
From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:24:22 -0500
Subject: [LAU] [Fwd: [Alsa-devel-old] RME madiface]
In-Reply-To: <1217417654.2619.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1217417654.2619.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200807310024.22580.reuben.m@gmail.com>

Back on Wednesday 30 July 2008, Paul Davis was like:
> forwarded to LAU where you're a bit more likely to find help (lower
> signal-to-noise ratio).
>
> --p


This is a common problem with the current hdspm driver (both with MADI and 
AES32). Apparently Florian Faber is planning on overhauling it as well as 
work on some of the other RME drivers. He also plans on developing a user 
space library for some of the common RME functionality. Very ambitious, but 
he seems determined.

-Reuben


From reuben.m at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 01:52:26 2008
From: reuben.m at gmail.com (Reuben Martin)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:52:26 -0500
Subject: [LAU] [Fwd: [Alsa-devel-old] RME madiface]
In-Reply-To: <1217417654.2619.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1217417654.2619.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200807310052.26511.reuben.m@gmail.com>

Back on Wednesday 30 July 2008, Paul Davis was like:
> forwarded to LAU where you're a bit more likely to find help (lower
> signal-to-noise ratio).
>
> --p

I have interest in anything hdspm related because I built a system for a 
friend using an AES32...

I forwarded this to Florian Faber and this was his reply:

Reuben,

> Thread on the LAU list. More people having trouble locking sync with
> the hdspm driver.

Thanks. I don't know the list. The source of the problem is that the 
MADIface runs with 125MHz internally and the old driver doesn't know 
about this, so the wordclock the MADIface uses is about 17% too ?slow.

If people want to patch the old driver themselves, it's just one line:

Go into hdspm.c, to line 845:

? ? ? ? n = 110100480000000ULL; ? ?/* Value checked for AES32 and MADI*/

And change it to

? ? ? ? ? n = 131072000000000ULL; ?// 125 MHz


Flo



From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 03:31:09 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:31:09 +0200
Subject: [LAU] real time in Debian...
In-Reply-To: <666e6e380807302130w91aa818ua41890cfdd14b0e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <666e6e380807302130w91aa818ua41890cfdd14b0e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c42e678f0807310031u7bb59cedj8b81e8fab8373c94@mail.gmail.com>

2008/7/31 Preston C. <gprestonc at gmail.com>

> I have Debian installed and was wondering if it was possible to get a
> real-time kernel in Debian? I do not want to use 64 studio, but was
> hoping for a site like Planet CCRMA for Fedora, just for Debian. Is
> there anything like this? Many Thanks, Preston
> _______________________________________________
>
There is a debian multimedia project... but I don't think its aim is to
produce music...

For a realtime kernel take a look at:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035

Or you can install the kernel of 64studio, add this (temporarily) to your
/etc/apt/sources.list

# Stable 64 Studio repository
 deb http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/stable/ 64studio main
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From ilzogoiby at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 04:28:11 2008
From: ilzogoiby at gmail.com (Pedro Ferreira)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:28:11 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Boss GT-10
In-Reply-To: <BLU138-W153D6C34F480E45D7C1738A07D0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.0.1217426313.23007.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<BLU138-W39F3731015FBB435C170B7A07D0@phx.gbl>
	<7d20cdf10807301501w23d42c8rd0f8f011b166f125@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU138-W153D6C34F480E45D7C1738A07D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7d20cdf10807310128x2392651co76dfc491a8869676@mail.gmail.com>

It works perfectly with fxfloorboard, except for some details that I
guess that are problems of fxfloorboard itself.
As for the curiosity question, I have no idea. But I'm pretty sure
that Clemens knows it.

Cheers,

Pedro

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Tinco Andringa <mail at tinco.nl> wrote:
>
> Awesome thanks, that works :D So that only leaves my curiosity question, anyone got a clue? Is this patch btw on track for inclusion in the driver? I noticed the vendor info stuff wasn't in it so it doesn't look like a realy driver patch, I added vendor info in my patch. I will test tomorrow if it works with the floorboard software to see if it works with the midi stuff too.
>
> Cheers,
> Tinco
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:01:05 +0100
>> From: ilzogoiby at gmail.com
>> To: mail at tinco.nl
>> Subject: Re: [LAU] Boss GT-10
>> CC: linux-audio-user at lists.linuxaudio.org
>>
>> Hello,
>> The "No mixer elems found" error is normal. A for the rest, I guess
>> you are not correctly selecting the device for recording.
>>
>> arecord --device=default:CARD=GT10 -t wav -f s16_le -r 44100 -c 2 test.wav
>>
>> works for me :)
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Pedro
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Tinco Andringa  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am a bit new to this so please bear with me. I'm trying to get my Boss GT-10 to work on my (arch) linux install.
>>>
>>> I added the patch that was suggested in the post I reply to to my usbquirks.h and compiled alsa using the guide on this site: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-usb-audio with as only difference that I configured with '--with-cards=all'.
>>>
>>> After this my BOSS GT-10 was recognised by linux and I am able to play sound over it using aplay. Recording however seems not to work. When I run arecord -L it shows all three of my audio cards, including the bossgt, but when I do alsamixer -c 2 it gives the following error:  No mixer elems found. Using a command like arecord -d 5 -t wav test.wav just gives me the sound recorded by the microphone in another soundcard. It could be that it's just a matter of using -D to select the right PCM, but I'm not sure how to find the right PCM.
>>>
>>> I suspect this is the reason I cannot record, do you have any idea what goes wrong? Another question more out of curiosity, why does the patch specify USB_DEVICE(0x0592,0x00da) whilst the usb device as listed by lsusb has id 0x00db?
>>>
>>> If I need supply any specific information
>>>
>>> With kind regards and gratitude for the patch,
>>> Tinco Andringa
>>>
>>> --- In reply to: ---
>>> Clemens Ladisch cladisch at fastmail.net
>>>
>>> Thu Jul 24 12:04:48 EDT 2008
>>>
>>> edro Ferreira wrote:
>>>> OK, I've added the output as an attachment :).
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay.
>>>
>>> Please try adding the entry below anywhere in sound/usb/usbquirks.h
>>> and recompile the driver:
>>>
>>>
>>> {
>>>        /* BOSS GT-10 */
>>>        USB_DEVICE(0x0582, 0x00da),
>>>        .driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk) {
>>>                .ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE,
>>>                .type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE,
>>>                .data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) {
>>>                        {
>>>                                .ifnum = 0,
>>>                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
>>>                        },
>>>                        {
>>>                                .ifnum = 1,
>>>                                .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE
>>>                        },
>>>                        {
>>>                                .ifnum = 2,
>>>                                .type = QUIRK_MIDI_FIXED_ENDPOINT,
>>>                                .data = & (const struct snd_usb_midi_endpoint_info) {
>>>                                        .out_cables = 0x0001,
>>>                                        .in_cables  = 0x0001
>>>                                }
>>>                        },
>>>                        {
>>>                                .ifnum = -1
>>>                        }
>>>                }
>>>        }
>>> },
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Clemens
>>>
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 04:54:41 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:54:41 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
In-Reply-To: <c42e678f0807300826n3a7c9d51s50a2c7e4e51fb57e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48661248.4050507@web.de> <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
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>
>
> I've tested the keyboard and I am not able to use zone 2.
>

Zone 2 is working....

The keyboard has made a smash in transport.. so there is a little hole now
in it... it does not effect the keys however...

But there is also a electronic cable which is broken at the end... but I
don't know what it is. Are there some engineers here who can tell?

Take a look at the pictures:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8740/sany0069zb6.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6082/sany0070yc2.jpg

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From fons at kokkinizita.net  Thu Jul 31 05:33:24 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:33:24 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:54:41AM +0200, Schoap D wrote:

> But there is also a electronic cable which is broken at the end... but I
> don't know what it is. Are there some engineers here who can tell?

Almost the same happened with mine.

The round white things is not an electrical component at all,
it's just part of the way the two side panels are attached to
the top metal plate. This construction is used to avoid having
screws visible on the outside. The wire is just the ground
connection of the case. 

As you can see the white plastic part is broken, so the top
plate will now not be supported fully and may end up too close
to the keys.

IIRC there are four of these, two at each side, one front one
back. I removed both of the front ones (one of them was broken,
as yours), and replaced them with two screws that are visible
from the outside, but provide a much more solid solution.
I found black screws with a rather small amd rounded top,
so it still looks good. If you don't know, you'd say this
was the original construction.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From fons at kokkinizita.net  Thu Jul 31 05:56:58 2008
From: fons at kokkinizita.net (Fons Adriaensen)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:56:58 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Hardware: elektr piano / keyboard
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References: <487B1242.7080407@gmail.com>
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	<c42e678f0807280148s2382bf75k833bae2aa46fe67e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080728110223.GB2741@zita2.kokkinizita.net>
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:54:41AM +0200, Schoap D wrote:

> Zone 2 is working....

Probably it was a midi channel conflict.

> But there is also a electronic cable which is broken at the end... but I
> don't know what it is. Are there some engineers here who can tell?

It may not even be a cable, just a piece of wire to
avoid the top part falling back when it is opened.

If you have not already discovered this: at the bottom
of the two side panels there are two deep holes. Using
a long cross screwdriver you can remove the four screws
hiding in them. Then the top part of the keyboard can
be opened from the front.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

Laboratorio di Acustica ed Elettroacustica
Parma, Italia

O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !





From gnome at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Jul 31 06:54:06 2008
From: gnome at hawaii.rr.com (david)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:54:06 -1000
Subject: [LAU] Trying to get rid of xruns
In-Reply-To: <48911FD6.10700@smiffytech.com>
References: <48911FD6.10700@smiffytech.com>
Message-ID: <489199CE.4000609@hawaii.rr.com>

Matthew Smith wrote:

> After a long (15 years) break in music making/recording, I have just set 
> myself up with a new virtual studio - bit of a culture shock when all my 
> previous experience was analogue plus Notator on an Atari.

Well, my music making was pen and paper, an acoustic piano, classical 
and electric guitars, and a portable cassette tape recorder ... I still 
have that recording!

> I'm running Gentoo Linux (x86_64) on a dual-core ThinkPad with 1.5Gb 
> RAM.  To save unnecessary processing overhead and because I like a 
> 'clean' desktop, I am using the Fluxbox window manager.

I like it, too. Reminds me a bit of the design philosophy of the Targa 
TIPS video painting program AT&T made for use with their line of Targa 
video capture and editing cards ...

My guess about your xruns problem is ... do you have hardware on this 
Thinkpad that perhaps is sharing interrupts with your audio hardware? 
People on the list have mentioned getting xruns when a laptop had audio 
and video hardware sharing the same interrupt and the system had to 
update the display at the same time the audio hardware was in use. 
Another source was unused wireless networking hardware - the system 
would keep checking for a network connection even though there was none.

-- 
David
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Thu Jul 31 07:27:51 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:27:51 +0200
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <fce4679b0807280559m1e38bd81ue4e41668e3f7035b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fce4679b0807280559m1e38bd81ue4e41668e3f7035b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200807311327.58671.arnold@arnoldarts.de>

Am Montag, 28. Juli 2008 schrieb Adrien DANIEL:
> I am wondering how to use JACK with more than one soundcard. For
> instance, what if I want to get one of the inputs of my soundcard #1,
> process it with a JACK program, and finally send it to one of the
> outputs of my soundcard #2 ?
> Should I launch several JACK deamons ? If so, would I be able to
> interconnect them ?

Apart from the fact that there are ways of doing this in software (with all 
the latency and uncertainty that arises there), you should *please* look at 
the archives of this list and find out why it is nearly impossible to do what 
you are thinking of.
In short: You definitely need to get the clocks of the converters in sync. And 
you should also get the interrupts in sync.
This first part is possible with some soundcards (in the higher price-range) 
and with firewire-soundcards (as long as they are supported by 
freebob/ffado). The second part involves kernel-hacking, is optional but 
should improve the stability.

In clear words: In the price-range where people think about syncing two cheap 
soundcards to safe money instead of buying a higher quality device, this is 
not possible without jumping through a lot of hoops. In the price-range where 
this is easier, it is not used to sync two devices to get a total of up to 8 
channels (for example) but used to get a total channel count of >=16...

Have fun,

Arnold
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From schoappied at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 07:49:08 2008
From: schoappied at gmail.com (Schoap D)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:49:08 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Have to fix my Fatar (was: Hardware elektr. piano/ keyboard)
Message-ID: <c42e678f0807310449r13de0196pdea974b94b3df633@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Fons for your reply... looks like you fixed it nicely! I think I can
use that information, thanks again.

The post service in The Netherlands didn't transport my Fatar pretty
well.... I'm in a procedure now to get money back...

Here are some pictures, maybe some of you have some advice to fix it ;)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7182/sany0065sj5.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1816/sany0061fu2.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5593/sany0067er6.jpg
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Regards,

Dirk
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From adrien.daniel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 09:11:21 2008
From: adrien.daniel at gmail.com (Adrien DANIEL)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:11:21 +0200
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <200807311327.58671.arnold@arnoldarts.de>
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:

> Apart from the fact that there are ways of doing this in software (with all
> the latency and uncertainty that arises there), you should *please* look at
> the archives of this list and find out why it is nearly impossible to do what
> you are thinking of.
> In short: You definitely need to get the clocks of the converters in sync. And
> you should also get the interrupts in sync.

I am aware of these sync issues and I mentioned that in my second
post, however I read somewhere that it is possible to do this in
software with, as you said, some uncertainty. Of course, I voluntarily
left apart hardware sync, since it concerns expensive soundcards.

Anyway, in my opinion, the idea to provide a *high quality* guitar
(including a *high quality* ADC) that you could easily plug into your
computer to play music on a conventionnal hi-fi system is not so odd,
commercially speaking. Keeping this in mind, I was simply wondering
the extent to which it was possible to generalize this to several
instruments (especially in JACK), again because it does not require
any additional sound device or guitar amp.

Thanks for the answers.

Adrien


From arnold at arnoldarts.de  Thu Jul 31 10:06:14 2008
From: arnold at arnoldarts.de (Arnold Krille)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:06:14 +0200
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <fce4679b0807310611s31fa867cv583f5a3bf342694a@mail.gmail.com>
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Am Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2008 schrieb Adrien DANIEL:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold at arnoldarts.de> wrote:
> > Apart from the fact that there are ways of doing this in software (with
> > all the latency and uncertainty that arises there), you should *please*
> > look at the archives of this list and find out why it is nearly
> > impossible to do what you are thinking of.
> > In short: You definitely need to get the clocks of the converters in
> > sync. And you should also get the interrupts in sync.
> I am aware of these sync issues and I mentioned that in my second
> post, however I read somewhere that it is possible to do this in
> software with, as you said, some uncertainty. Of course, I voluntarily
> left apart hardware sync, since it concerns expensive soundcards.

But for making music with (real) instruments these are the important factors. 
Of course you can add jitter-buffers to sync all the input- and 
output-soundcards in software. But this adds a lot of latency. Something like 
syncing two VoIP/Mobile phones with their sometimes horrible latency (which 
you can hear when the echo-cancellation doesn't work correctly). And then try 
to play non-experimental, non-electronic music about that...

> Anyway, in my opinion, the idea to provide a *high quality* guitar
> (including a *high quality* ADC) that you could easily plug into your
> computer to play music on a conventionnal hi-fi system is not so odd,
> commercially speaking. Keeping this in mind, I was simply wondering
> the extent to which it was possible to generalize this to several
> instruments (especially in JACK), again because it does not require
> any additional sound device or guitar amp.

Well, it requires additional devices: you do want to hear something. At least 
the recording-engineer wants to hear what is on (digital) tape.
So you really have to sync all the devices by an external word-clock. Again: 
firewire has a global bus-clock which devices (can) use to sync with so that 
all devices on the bus have the same word-clock.

Arnold

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From adrien.daniel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 10:30:57 2008
From: adrien.daniel at gmail.com (Adrien DANIEL)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:30:57 +0200
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
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Nick and Arnold,

Ok, so as you say jitter is too much important to use the solution
given by Paul to my first post : using two different soundcards as
input and output. Hence it is not possible, as I thought, to use the
built-in (often low-quality and noisy, though) soundcard of a laptop
computer, for example, as output. Ok, thank you. I precise that it was
just an interrogation (about a potential commercial use), I personally
use a single soundcard in full-duplex for my guitar.

So, the solution would be a bit more complicated, but resembles what I
proposed in my second post with USB : Firewire ADC for each
instrument, and a Firewire DAC, such that everyone is kept
synchronized. And I suppose that the number of Firewire ADC is also
very limited by the number of Firewire busses.

Thanks,
Adrien


From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com  Thu Jul 31 11:12:24 2008
From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:12:24 -0400
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
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On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 16:30 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote:

> So, the solution would be a bit more complicated, but resembles what I
> proposed in my second post with USB : Firewire ADC for each
> instrument, and a Firewire DAC, such that everyone is kept
> synchronized. And I suppose that the number of Firewire ADC is also
> very limited by the number of Firewire busses.

No, the solution is to forget about decentralizing A/D and instead plug
the analog cables into a central (bank of) A/D's which then feed a
single multichannel audio interface (of which there are several to
choose from). this is how recording studios do it, and its likely how
you should too. ditto for the output - the single interface feeds a bank
of centralized D/A which pass signals back to amps, monitors headphones
etc.




From jh at brainiac.com  Thu Jul 31 12:07:46 2008
From: jh at brainiac.com (Joe Hartley)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:07:46 -0400
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <1217517144.20398.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <fce4679b0807280559m1e38bd81ue4e41668e3f7035b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:12:24 -0400
Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 16:30 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote:
> > So, the solution would be a bit more complicated, but resembles what I
> > proposed in my second post with USB : Firewire ADC for each
> > instrument, and a Firewire DAC, such that everyone is kept
> > synchronized.
> 
> No, the solution is to forget about decentralizing A/D and instead plug
> the analog cables into a central (bank of) A/D's which then feed a
> single multichannel audio interface (of which there are several to
> choose from). 

I second this.  I really don't see the need or even usefulness for a
guitar to have a Firewire, USB or Ethernet port, and I'd hate like hell to
have my guitar run into driver issues witn my computer system!

Getting a guitar to have an output level suitable for plugging into a
soundcard (especially one like my Delta 1010 with the -4/+10 dB input
switch) is a trivial thing.  Getting a 1010, or something like a Focusrite
Saffire to handle the A/D conversion on a number of inputs is a lot less
complicated, and ultimately I'd think less expensive, than a number of
smaller separate units.

-- 
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Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa


From cladisch at fastmail.net  Thu Jul 31 12:41:00 2008
From: cladisch at fastmail.net (Clemens Ladisch)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:41:00 +0200
Subject: [LAU] Boss GT-10
In-Reply-To: <BLU138-W39F3731015FBB435C170B7A07D0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.0.1217426313.23007.linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>
	<BLU138-W39F3731015FBB435C170B7A07D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4891EB1C.2040601@fastmail.net>

Tinco Andringa wrote:
> why does the patch specify USB_DEVICE(0x0592,0x00da) whilst the usb
> device as listed by lsusb has id 0x00db?

The device has a different ID when in "standard driver" mode.


HTH
Clemens


From pshirkey at boosthardware.com  Thu Jul 31 23:28:04 2008
From: pshirkey at boosthardware.com (Patrick Shirkey)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:28:04 +0700
Subject: [LAU] JACK with many soundcards
In-Reply-To: <20080731120746.709f92b4.jh@brainiac.com>
References: <fce4679b0807280559m1e38bd81ue4e41668e3f7035b@mail.gmail.com>	<200807311327.58671.arnold@arnoldarts.de>	<fce4679b0807310611s31fa867cv583f5a3bf342694a@mail.gmail.com>	<200807311606.25547.arnold@arnoldarts.de>	<fce4679b0807310730l47250893n18f7740761ee5c09@mail.gmail.com>	<1217517144.20398.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Joe Hartley wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:12:24 -0400
> Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 16:30 +0200, Adrien DANIEL wrote:
>>     
>>> So, the solution would be a bit more complicated, but resembles what I
>>> proposed in my second post with USB : Firewire ADC for each
>>> instrument, and a Firewire DAC, such that everyone is kept
>>> synchronized.
>>>       
>> No, the solution is to forget about decentralizing A/D and instead plug
>> the analog cables into a central (bank of) A/D's which then feed a
>> single multichannel audio interface (of which there are several to
>> choose from). 
>>     
>
> I second this.  I really don't see the need or even usefulness for a
> guitar to have a Firewire, USB or Ethernet port, and I'd hate like hell to
> have my guitar run into driver issues witn my computer system!
>
> Getting a guitar to have an output level suitable for plugging into a
> soundcard (especially one like my Delta 1010 with the -4/+10 dB input
> switch) is a trivial thing.  Getting a 1010, or something like a Focusrite
> Saffire to handle the A/D conversion on a number of inputs is a lot less
> complicated, and ultimately I'd think less expensive, than a number of
> smaller separate units.
>
>   

While Joe and Paul might not like this idea I can see a million rock 
band addicts who might be very comfortable with a usb guitar or even a 
full band.

I think this idea has potential and we should not close the doors to the 
possibility of it being jackified just because it sounds like hard work 
and you can see a miriad of reasons not to do it.


Cheers.


 




-- 
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.