sama at agnula.org
Wed Jan 28 16:44:27 EST 2004
Joern Nettingsmeier <nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de> writes:
> or just provide a sort of standardized link list, so that all other
> participants of the webring can be seen at a glance from each of the
Yep - I personally prefer the implementation I described, but
conceptually Joern's version is practically the same.
>>>Maybe a linux audio user webring is a thing?
>> I think this would make sense.
>> As regards the policies, I would like to know (pending
>> discussion on LAD/LAU, I'm just proposing here so that we can propose
>> a more-than-basic-draft idea) your position on Libre Software issue -
>> i.e. shall we specifically deny membership to sites which talk about
>> using proprietary applications on GNU/Linux systems for audio/video ?
> perhaps we could have two sections: free community sites and
> commercial sites.
I fail to understand how the distinction could be made. As long as
the produced software is Libre Software, the produced documentation is
licensed under either the GNU FDL (for technical documentation) or
under a Creative Commons license (Attribution, Attribution/ShareAlike
are my proposed choices) the distinction between "commercial" and "non
commercial" becomes, IMHO, unuseful and *could* become unflexible.
If the lead developer of a supposedly non commercial Libre Software
project is hired for consulting on that particular piece of software
s/he's been working on, does that turn the project into a commercial
one? That's just a little example of situations that can and will
arise while Libre Software becomes more popular in the audio domain.
On the other hand, focusing on Libre Software (while not problem-free,
of course) has a clearer characterization. After all, there is a
reason why Libre Software licenses explicitly allow for commercial
> linuxaudio.org could sit in between (this might even be reflected in
> the layout of the webring footer)
We could mark "Libre" web sites with a clear icon or a tangible sign,
so that people know what is Libre and what is not.
If the distinction I'm proposing is fine with you, we should of course
(and with "we" I mean a probably larger audience than this list,
although pinpointing the most problematic point right now can help
focusing the larger discussion later on) discuss on what can be
considered "Libre" or not. Did you order your <fill in with your
preferred stimulating drug here> supply? :)
>> Any takers for the logo ?
> as it happens, i'm a big fan of the lad icon, and we have worked a
> while to make it known to the public. it's the LAD logo, but
> everybody is invited to use it to "show their affiliation with the
> LAD community". maybe we should broaden the concept to "linux audio
That would make sense to me.
> anyway, it's not up to me to decide. frank neumann has the copyright
> (the "affiliation" wording is his), and i would like to see it
> discussed on LAD.
> i would like to see all parts of the community (LAD, linuxaudio.org,
> younameit) share a common logo to generate some "corporate identity"
> both for the members of the communities and visitors, without each
> part implicitly having to endorse everything the other does.
That's not so easy, I fear. It can be made doable providing a very
clear set of rules to abide to (and discussing them, of course).
> in the same move, i like andrea's offer of subdomains a lot.
Just to be clear, in this moment it's more of a proposal I will do to
other consortium's members. I'm not the owner of the linuxaudio.org
domain - the owner is Daniel James at the moment, although I suppose
it will be passed on to the Consortium as soon as the latter is
Said that, as I already wrote, I will propose this subdomain project
to the Consortium and vote for it.
> in my personal view, something like the following would be perfect:
> linuxaudio.org (to become a portal with links to all the sub-domains)
> consortium.linuxaudio.org (what is now linuxaudio.org)
> lists.linuxaudio.org (what is now the administrative part of the lad page)
> community.linuxaudio.org (news about meetings and events, maybe a
> user-driven news portal in the future)
> software.linuxaudio.org (dave's site)
> documentation.linuxaudio.org (all the stuff from patrick's site,
> alsa-wiki, presentation material, press coverage, and whatever useful
> remains after cleaning up the lad page)
> alsa.linuxaudio.org (a link to the alsa site)
> jack.linuxaudio.org (a link to jackit.sf.net)
> ladspa.linuxaudio.org (a link to ladspa.org and plugin.org.uk)
> i don't really care whether these are subdomains or directories, but i
> would love to see all the major linux audio sites (that relate to more
> than one project or, such as jack, provide an infrastructure of sorts)
> collected here and maybe share some common looks.
I'm not sure I understood what do you mean for "relating to more than
As for the common looks, it would be nice, but I'm not sure this can
easily happen without major manpower (and some nice diplomatic
> don't get me wrong, i'm not intending to force anybody in, or
> annihilate people's private efforts. it's just a "would be nifty"
> scenario to have everybody under one roof, and it has the nice
> side-effect of alleviating the remaining paranoia against
> linuxaudio.org :-D
> i'm prepared to move the lad page over to linuxaudio.org if people
> don't vote against it.
I'd personally love it - but I'd like first to see the Consortium
legal status, wrt its nature and its statute, to be clearly defined
first. This is to avoid any incomprehension (i.e. any humanly
avoidable and understandable uncomprehension, we neither can nor
should worry about the rest).
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