[Consortium] LA.org "official fork" software

Robin Gareus robin at gareus.org
Fri Feb 12 21:12:54 CET 2021

Hi all,

I think it is entirely appropriate when high profile members of the
linuxaudio consortium announce a standard and use linuxaudio.org to
promote it.

This is particularly true for a session-manager that many other
consortium members and developers should ideally adopt.

Updating NSM was a linuxaudio community effort that took place on #lad
IRC by various community members after discussions over a long period of
time. While there was no rigorous peer-review, I think it is properly

After all this is about a technical standard, and not a person.

The alternative would have been to start a new organization (like LV2
jackaudio, FAUST etc). Yet this would likely fragment the community
further, which isn't in the interest of linuxaudio.org.

I think it would be nice if more standards and best practice documents
are released by linuxaudio.org, particularly ones that improve

As for this specific release, I agree the name was not chosen wisely,
and I hope it can still be changed. Also other mistakes in the release
notes were unfortunate. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.


On 2/10/21 12:17 AM, Spencer Jackson wrote:
> It was asked that this discussion was moved to this list since it is meta
> to the LAD list itself. I will attempt to comply though this list has been
> inactive for nearly 3 years.
> The recent unfortunate situation highlighted by Jonathon Liles' lengthy
> rant in [LAD] regarding his Non-Session-Manager software and the fork
> called New-Session-Manager does raise some questions.
> Johnathon has a history of being difficult to work with, caustic in his
> writing, and I can understand the motives to fork, especially considering
> the lengthy time since any previous NSM release. I don't think the fork is
> the issue nor particularly germane to the discussion. I imagine the
> situation would have been avoided with some more cooperative effort from
> Johnathon, but I also won't criticize him too harshly for having a vision
> for his project and rejecting requests that didn't fit in that vision.
> While I do not subscribe to Johnathon's assignment of malice and subterfuge
> it does seem that the list moderators releasing a fork under the
> linuxaudio.org brand is probably overreaching the consortium's mission: "to
> promote and enable the use of Linux kernel based systems for professional
> audio use."
> I believe that releasing the software under the names of the authors'
> rather than under the would have helped make this situation look less like
> an attempt of the organization to replace a developers project without
> acknowledgement of his contributions. I'd like to politely request the
> authors of the New Session Manager refrain in the future from releasing
> software as official linuxaudio.org versions. It seems appropriate to me
> that this be written into the policies of the consortium to avoid future
> instances where developers may feel their software is being replaced by the
> organization itself.
> I am assuming the consortium would like to remain project agnostic rather
> than picking the winners and losers of which projects get the LA.org
> blessing.
> _spencer
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