[linux-audio-dev] [OT] marketing hype

[Marek Peteraj]

On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:07, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 17:26, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> 
> > But you guys *are* following proprietary software in general. Ardour is
> > a DAW just like cubase is, while SSM resembles reaktor in its
> > philosophy. LADSPAs are plugins like VSTs are, etc etc etc. There's
> > nothing which is perfectly original.
> > 
> > I've never seen such inapt community btw, which is totally ignorant in
> > organizing itself. See the gnome community which started to exist the
> > same year. They have more conferences per year, one of them being
> > huge(guadec) with sponsors, larger companies involved, and *most* of
> > *all* they're a centralised community.   
> > 
> > What we have is tons of links and no information. Although there are
> > some very good standards which could be successful even in another
> > domain(e.g. jack), nobody cares to promote them.
> > 
> > Lots of LADders even think that this mailing list isn't really
> > important. Nobody cares that it actually represents a pretty central
> > meeting point for developers interested in linux audio, and a perfect
> > knowledgebase.
> > 
> > We also have an organisation, which isn't really an organisation since
> > it's not a legal entity, and about 2/3rds of all don't seem to even
> > participate. And that organisation seems to have different goals than
> > promoting and protecting linux audio in *general*, *whether* pro or not,
> > i.e. the linux audio community.
> > 
> > Centralising information and provoding easy access is a pretty good way
> > to promote linux audio so that it reaches more developers and users, you
> > don't need marketing hype for that. No matter if it concerns linux audio
> > in general or ladspa plugins.
> > 
> > The gnome community already provides that, the kde community aswell.
> > Heck, there's even a linuxprinting.org community. Do i need to say more?
> > 
> > > 
> > > Personally speaking, as a free software developer I don't care if my
> > > programs are deemed as sucessful, they work for me, and handful of other
> > > people - this makes me happy :)
> > 
> > I'd like to see what other developers of the most popular linux audio
> > projects think. Because if they share your opinion, i'd rather save some
> > bucks and buy myself a mac.
> > Linux audio is perfectly unusable for me. Currently.
> > 
> > Marek 
> > 
> 
> Marek,
> 
> 	I hate to break this to you but I've got a life, a job, a wife, two
> kids, one in college, 3 bands, and I travel for my job about 30% of the
> year.  I'm not interested in making money or getting customers from
> JAMin.  I do this because I enjoy it.  I do it because I use it myself. 
> I do it because other people can use it and appreciate the work that
> goes into it.  I started working on JAMin originally because I thought
> that I owed people like Paul Davis, Steve Harris, Jack O'Quin, Fernando,
> Erik, Jaroslav, Jesse, Taybin, Takashi, ad infinitum something back for
> the work that they have poured into the tools that I use on a daily
> basis. 

Fair point.

>  If you want to organize something go ahead and organize it, but
> please don't tell me that I have to conform to some consumer driven
> vision of the great commercial future of Linux Audio.

Sorry to criticize still, but you're participating in linuxaudio.org
whose current aim is to do exaclty that. ;)
Which i'm not saying is bad, the opposite. I think that a lot of
valuable work has been done so far(if only technology-wise) and i think
it's a pity to leave it like that. 

>   I also doubt if
> there is a single developer in the Linux Audio Developer community who
> could accurately be described as inept.

Just to be clear, i've never said that they're inept.

What's wrong about saying hey were cool, want to join us?
Here are the standards we worked out and we use, this is how they work,
this is where we meet and discuss, this is where you can learn a thing
or two.

Marek