[LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 11:46 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> On Friday 16 July 2010 09:50:39 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> > > You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome
> > > and your audience.
> > Btw. I tested my own music.
> > First I played inside songs from other people a Ralf-mastering of my own
> > music.
> > Most people didn't like my song.
> > Some weeks later I played the same song inside other songs from other
> > people by a loudness-war-mastering.
> > Most people liked the song.
> > Playing the same song two times can't be called heavy rotation, hence
> > they were not accustomed to my song, but they need a bad mastering to be
> > fine with this song.
> > A blind study is useless regarding to musical issues.
> 
> Apples and oranges.
> 
> You are working on midi-latency-jitter. Which is measurable. And the test is 
> when the jitter becomes unbearable.
> 
> Taste on the other thing is not measurable and while you could quantify it, 
> common sense says that taste-minorities are valuable too...

Your bad!

On my computer the measurements are ok, but the audible results are bad.

> 
> > Or do you think we should start mixing music optimised to loudness,
> > because tests show that the audience prefers music without dynamic?
> 
> Taste-minorities. You play your dynamic-rich songs to fans of classical music 
> and see their reactions. If you can distinguish the "like it because of 
> dynamics" from the "don't like it because of rock-vs-classical". Which just 
> shows that taste is not measurable.
> 
> And no, pop industry doesn't measure taste, it just measures profit.

My bad!

Because it's an unfair 'analogy'.

OTOH, industry does measure averaged taste, regarding to profit.

Arnold, I respect your opinion, because I guess you don't like
recordings without dynamic too. Btw. I'm not a hardliner and a fan of
Bob Katz.

BUT!

It's impossible to do neutral measurements and from a democratically
worldview listening to recordings without dynamic is the winner.

Today I listened to a very good free jazz recording, but even this
marginal group tends to do masterings that are borderline.

And I'm sure, my neighbours aren't able to understand this kind of
music, I bet they were near top call the psychiatric ambulance when I
listende to this free jazz, while they blow the vuvuzela the whole day.

IMO Peter Brötzmann (on Sax) and a friend of mine on the Piano is much
more pleasant, but any vuvuzela players, anyway the averaged opinion is
different to my opinion.

In other words, there's no neutral test regarding to musical issues.

0.00 €

Ralf

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Is it possible to get an audible difference between white noise and
transposed white noise?

Somewhere in the vacuum I mislaid my endless sized metal plates.