[LAD] [LAU] Release: New Session Manager Version 1.3
rosea.grammostola at gmail.com
Thu Jun 18 14:10:57 CEST 2020
On 6/18/20 12:34 PM, Filipe Coelho wrote:
> On 18/06/20 10:17, rosea.grammostola wrote:
>> Quite a hijack...
>> No credits to the original author in the release announcement, which
>> is quite disrespectful. He did finally solve the session management
>> problem on Linuxaudio with Non-Session-Manager after several attempts
>> by some serious skilled programmers.
> Fair point. We did mention that it is based on the NON stuff, but not
> Jonathan's name. Sorry for that, it was not intentional.
> The "highjack" had to be done though, otherwise NSM would simply go
> nowhere. You even say yourself "I understand in some way that a fork
> is a logical consequence".
> We were very sad that the toxicity around one person was causing such
> harm to such great tool.
> In order to make NSM a real thing for linuxaudio (that is, not simply
> used by a tiny few users and apps), we *need* to get the community
> To quote Jonathan himself:
> > Progress will not happen on its own. It must be forced along by
> individuals of power, wisdom, and vision; which we should all aspire
> to become.
>> Release around midnight Europe time.
>> Very classy guys.
> Why is release time important there? (serious question)
> We released after we had everything ready. And since we usually work
> on these things past official work-hours, that meant late in the day.
> I don't see how this changes anything, or tells anything about the
> status of the project.
> Might seem so from your point of you, but we tried, many many times to
> get everyone to work together here.
You know I did a lot for NSM, and I'm probably the most likely the most
active user in the community. Involved from the start of the project. I
did a lot to improve the situation lately, with some success. I've had
contact with both of you last week (IRC and mail). Nils sent me mail
this week about NSM/Jonathan. Nothing about the fork. Besides the fact
that I understand that at some point a fork was inevitable, next time
you want to fork, just say it and make sure to do it in full daylight.
This is acting like snakes on pro level and in a way very childish too.
Quite disappointing for people who seems to have high social standards,
but are lacking a mirror at home apparently.
On a technical level, I'm glad you are aiming to be fully compatible
with the original Non-session-manager (NSM). I'm just afraid that you're
underestimating the task at hand and the accomplishments being made here
though. Not giving the original author the credits he deserves, might be
a sign of it as well.
From personal experience, I've still have to find someone else besides
the original author of NSM, who understands why NSM works as a session
manager. It works I think, because it's simple and has clear rules. I
see a urge for new features, which are potentially harmful for the
success of NSM. When I didn't use Linuxaudio for years and restarted it,
it was quite a horrible experience. JACK standalone applications do have
all kinds of features, but where crashing on me constantly (the nice
thing about NSM, is that you've it back in one click). Totally unusable
to make music with. I'm personally not waiting for new non-essential NSM
features, which are making my setup less predictable, more resources
consuming and less stable.
Raysession, I've no confidence in it. I said enough about it. Better
spent your time in NSM support for clients.
You recommend Argodejo as GUI on the github page. I've a very hard time
finding it better then the default NSM GUI. The simple view is not that
simple anymore if you've a lot of sessions. The advanced view, is more
complex then the original GUI, because it gives you so much more
information. Duplicate was renamed as 'save as', which might cause
dataloss for people who expect it to behave as 'save as' in other
applications. Might be personal preferences, but all these small things
doesn't make me very enthusiastic about NSM without the original author.
A other related experience. Feature request for Radium. NSM support in
Radium, which is great. Author did implement accidentally server client
osc messages. As a consequence he decides to give Radium session manager
functionality as well. I think this design approach will harm a reliable
and predictable NSM session environment for the user at the end.
Anyway, wasted too much time on it already probably.
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