[linux-audio-user] Speak-Freely

Richard Caldwell richardc at europlex.ie
Mon Jan 20 10:07:01 EST 2003 

Hi,
	I've downloaded and compiled speak-freely 7.5. I have 2 lan
connected machines. I run sfpeaker on one machine, and sfmike 'IP
address' on the other. Everything appears to have compiled correctly and
everything appears to run correctly but I'm not getting any audio across
the network! Any suggestions? 
I also find that when the machines are on but not running any
applications that the speakers on each machine plays any audio directed
into its own microphone, as if the mic on each machine is looped
directly out through its own speakers. Is this normal? Any help is much
appreciated.

Regards,

R.C.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Rhodes sound (Guy Clotilde)
   2. Re: Rhodes sound (Larry Troxler)
   3. Re: Rhodes sound (Guy Clotilde)
   4. Re: Rhodes sound (Guy Clotilde)
   5. Re: Which audio card to use? (Jack O'Quin)
   6. Re: Rhodes sound (Matthew Yee-King)
   7. [OT] Linux Music & Sound Software site updated (Dave Phillips)
   8. Re: Which audio card to use? (Paul Winkler)
   9. Re: Which audio card to use? (Jan "Evil Twin" Depner)
  10. Re: Rhodes sound (Emiliano Grilli)
  11. seeking a software sampler for Linux (Florian Berger)
  12. Re: seeking a software sampler for Linux (Emiliano Grilli)
  13. Re: seeking a software sampler for Linux (Vincent Touquet)
  14. Re: Rhodes sound (Patrick Shirkey)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:00:31 +0400
From: Guy Clotilde <guy.clotilde at wanadoo.fr>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rhodes sound
Organization: perso
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

On/le Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:59:45 -0500
Larry Troxler <lt at westnet.com> wrote / a écrit quelque chose comme:

> 
>  Something interesting about the Rhodes electric piano, I found, was
>  that I played it quite differently from the way I would play an
>  accoustic piano.

The keys are lighter weighted too, between an organ and a classical
piano. That leaded to a whole different way to play it.
I like to compare the difference between an accoustic and an electric
guitar.
I wanted to add that the Rhodes is my alltime favourite instrument and
that it's perfect for funk :)

Pardon my bad english.
Guy CLO~
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:25:30 -0500
From: Larry Troxler <lt at westnet.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rhodes sound
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

Guy Clotilde wrote:
> 
> On/le Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:59:45 -0500
> Larry Troxler <lt at westnet.com> wrote / a écrit quelque chose comme:
> 
> >
> >  Something interesting about the Rhodes electric piano, I found, was
> >  that I played it quite differently from the way I would play an
> >  accoustic piano.
> 
> The keys are lighter weighted too, between an organ and a classical
piano. That leaded to a whole different way to play it.

Really? I remember the Rhodes action being quite muddy and heavy, to the
point that it required some real finger muscles.

> I like to compare the difference between an accoustic and an electric
guitar.
> I wanted to add that the Rhodes is my alltime favourite instrument and
that it's perfect for funk :)

Yup, just be carefull venturing more than an octave above middle C.
That's where you get into "light jazz" territory and you have to know
what you're doing there. Then again Chic Corea never had a problem
there, but I'm quite sure he knew what he was doing.


> 
> Pardon my bad english.

It's fine

Larry

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:10:16 +0400
From: Guy Clotilde <guy.clotilde at wanadoo.fr>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rhodes sound
Organization: perso
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

On/le Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:25:30 -0500
Larry Troxler <lt at westnet.com> wrote / a écrit quelque chose comme:

>  > The keys are lighter weighted too, between an organ and a
>  > classical piano. That leaded to a whole different way to play it.
> 
>  Really? I remember the Rhodes action being quite muddy and heavy,
>  to the point that it required some real finger muscles.

yep. My original Fender Rhodes and others I have played on react in a so
smooth way.  :)


Cheers
Guy CLO~
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EXPRESSO, Jazz, Funk & Musique Latine 
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/guy.clotilde/Expresso/
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(°V°)

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:12:00 +0400
From: Guy Clotilde <guy.clotilde at wanadoo.fr>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rhodes sound
Organization: perso
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

On/le Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:25:30 -0500
Larry Troxler <lt at westnet.com> wrote / a écrit quelque chose comme:

> Yup, just be carefull venturing more than an octave above middle C.
>  That's where you get into "light jazz" territory and you have to
>  know what you're doing there. Then again Chic Corea never had a
>  problem there, but I'm quite sure he knew what he was doing.

ahah. I'm not considering myself a good player nor a "jazzman". And I
really prefer Herbie Hancock, but we are going a little bit off-topic.

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http://perso.wanadoo.fr/guy.clotilde/index.html
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EXPRESSO, Jazz, Funk & Musique Latine 
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/guy.clotilde/Expresso/
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(°V°)

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Message: 5
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Which audio card to use?
From: "Jack O'Quin" <joq at io.com>
Date: 19 Jan 2003 14:33:11 -0600
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

> Es geschah am Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2003 23:51 als Jan \"Evil Twin\"
Depner 
> schrieb:
> > 	ALSA 0.9rc6 is fubar for ice1712 but the latest CVS works fine.
> > Envy24control had some problems but when I talked it over with
Jaroslav
> > he asked me to download the latest and check it.  All is well.  No
> > problems now.

Christian Schoenebeck <christian.schoenebeck at epost.de> writes:
> I also downloaded the latest Envy24control (alsa-tools-0.9.0rc6), but
it's 
> not working for me - at least not with ALSA 0.9rc6. The VU meters
work, but 
> changing a slider or mute button for example does not have any effect.

I compiled envy24control from a recent CVS version.  It works and is
easily compiled all by itself.  Just go to alsa-tools/envy24control
and run ./cvscompile (IIRC).

> And another problem is the default clock rate of 48kHz. Setting the
master 
> clock to a value doesn't work. Clicking at 'Word Clock' decreases it,
but to 
> a widely too low value - sounds like 32kHz or something...

This is a (serious) bug in the alsa-0.9.0rc6 ice1712 driver.  There is
a fix in CVS, but I'm not using that yet because of the inconvenience
of upgrading the drivers.

As a workaround, I use envy24control (compiled as above).  Under
"Hardware Settings" first set the "Master Clock" rate to "S/PDIF In".
Then, set it to "Int 44100".  For some reason, the rc6 driver won't
let you set "Int 44100" directly without using this trick.

> So I guess I have to wait for the next Alsa release and a new Debian
package, 
> cause compiling from CVS is too dirty for me.

Try a newer version of envy24control.  It's easy to do, and I think
you'll be please with the result.

Regards,
-- 
  Jack O'Quin
  Austin, Texas, USA


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:04:13 +0000
From: Matthew Yee-King <yeeking at no-future.com>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rhodes sound
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu


i was just reading through lau seeing if anyone got the bristol synth
running and i saw your post frank. If you do any more remixes like that,
i think its only fair that you post some oggs. ;) 

I always meant to do some joke remixes of christmas carols. I think your
heavily vibrato'd hammond could be pretty good for this. You'd need a
heavy beat on it too though. 

- matthew



On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:15:42 +0100
Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:

> Hallo,
> Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote:
> > And I must protest Frank B's characterization of FM's "cheezy"
Rhodes
> > sound ! ;-)  My TX802 makes a better Rhodes sound than the original,
and
> > the virtual tines never break.
> 
> I think the "Rhodes" sound, or maybe it was called something else, of
> the DX7 is one of the most famous FM sounds, and it even has been
> overused. The STK FM examples don't emulate the DX7 but the TX81Z,
> which might be similar to your synth. It uses only 4 operators instead
> of the 6 in a DX7, but that's okay. 
> 
> I recently had a lot of fun with them and the BeeThree when I was
> looking for a short term birthday present. 
> 
> I can't play the keyboard, so I downloaded a whole bunch of pop tunes
> in midi format from midifarm.com and other sites, you know, real
> "cheezy" stuff like "Mandy" or Pink's "Let's get this party started"
> and "arranged" these to use BeeThree instances with oodles of vibrato
> for just about every voice except the drums, which I did with my
> "angriff" Pd-drumset. 
> 
> The result was absolutly hilarious IMO, very charming and amusing, and
> the lenghth of a CD was quickly filled.
> 
> I was so impressed by my achievement, that I even re-used it for a 
> couple of next birthdays. ;)
> 
> ciao
> -- 
>  Frank Barknecht                               _ ______footils.org__

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:48:53 -0500
From: Dave Phillips <dlphilp at bright.net>
To: LAU Mail <linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu>,
   LAD Mail <linux-audio-dev at music.columbia.edu>, Linart
<linart at li.org>,
   CM/CLM/CMN/Snd mail-list <cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu>,
   Csound Mail <csound at lists.bath.ac.uk>,
   ALSA Users <alsa-user at lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [linux-audio-user] [OT] Linux Music & Sound Software site
updated
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

Greetings:

As of January 19 2003 the Linux Music & Sound Applications pages have
been updated.

   The site may be reached here:
 
       http://sound.condorow.net (USA)
 
   Here:
 
       http://www.linuxsound.at (Europe)
 
   And here:
 
       http://www.ymo.org/linuxsound/ (Japan)  

The Japanese site will not update until January 20.

Enjoy !

Best regards,

== Dave Phillips

	The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at
http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm
	The Linux Soundapps Site at http://linux-sound.org

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:58:32 -0800
From: Paul Winkler <pw_lists at slinkp.com>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Which audio card to use?
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:21:40PM +0100, Christian Schoenebeck wrote:
> Es geschah am Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2003 23:51 als Jan \"Evil Twin\"
Depner 
> schrieb:
> > Joe,
> >
> > 	ALSA 0.9rc6 is fubar for ice1712 but the latest CVS works fine.
> > Envy24control had some problems but when I talked it over with
Jaroslav
> > he asked me to download the latest and check it.  All is well.  No
> > problems now.
> 
> I also downloaded the latest Envy24control (alsa-tools-0.9.0rc6),

Note that Jan specifically said "latest CVS", not latest tarball
release.
The most recent tarball release, 0.9rc6, is known to be broken for
the ice1712... at least, envy24control is all fubar.

Sorry if I caused any confusion - in an earlier message I said to
get "latest" alsa for the ice1712, but I wasn't specific enough.

> So I guess I have to wait for the next Alsa release and a new Debian
package, 
> cause compiling from CVS is too dirty for me.

Sorry to hear it.

-- 

Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
Look! Up in the sky! It's OX ITE!
(courtesy of isometric.spaceninja.com)

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Message: 9
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Which audio card to use?
From: "Jan \"Evil Twin\" Depner" <eviltwin69 at cableone.net>
To: Audio-User <linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu>
Date: 19 Jan 2003 21:18:08 -0600
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

When I said to download from CVS I meant all of the ALSA packages.  If
you do that the clock is fixed.

Jan

On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 10:21, Christian Schoenebeck wrote:
> Es geschah am Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2003 23:51 als Jan \"Evil Twin\"
Depner 
> schrieb:
> > Joe,
> >
> > 	ALSA 0.9rc6 is fubar for ice1712 but the latest CVS works fine.
> > Envy24control had some problems but when I talked it over with
Jaroslav
> > he asked me to download the latest and check it.  All is well.  No
> > problems now.
> 
> I also downloaded the latest Envy24control (alsa-tools-0.9.0rc6), but
it's 
> not working for me - at least not with ALSA 0.9rc6. The VU meters
work, but 
> changing a slider or mute button for example does not have any effect.
> 
> And that is actually a bad situation as it seems that all outputs of
the 
> delta interface are set to max. volume by default. I had to regulate
the 
> input amplifiers of my (external) mixer to zero (!) and it's still
indicating 
> that the input levels are too high!!! Or is this because I use
unbalanced 
> audio cables to connect the delta with my mixer? (the delta 1010 has
balanced 
> outputs)
> 
> And another problem is the default clock rate of 48kHz. Setting the
master 
> clock to a value doesn't work. Clicking at 'Word Clock' decreases it,
but to 
> a widely too low value - sounds like 32kHz or something...
> 
> So I guess I have to wait for the next Alsa release and a new Debian
package, 
> cause compiling from CVS is too dirty for me.



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:44:32 +0100
From: Emiliano Grilli <emillo at libero.it>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rhodes sound
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

   
> Anyone know how I can emulate a rhodes using the computer keyboard?
> 
> A mix I'm working on really needs some hearty organ.
> 

  Patrick, somewere on my backup CDs I have a very good soundfont of a
  fender rhodes (sampled from real instrument) it's about 4Mb and I have
  to find it (this may take a couple of days) , so tell me if I can send

  it to you directly.

  Ciao

-- 
  .---------------------.
  | Emiliano Grilli     |
  | emillo at libero.it    |
  | Linux user #209089  |
  '---------------------'


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:10:56 +0100
From: Florian Berger <florib at arcor.de>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: [linux-audio-user] seeking a software sampler for Linux
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

Hello to all,

I´m searching for some kind of a HALion replacement on Linux. Just a
simple engine that responses to MIDI Note on/off and Main Volume per
channel, and that can be triggered using some sequencer (as MUSE or
Rosegarden).

Any hint would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

     Florian Berger, Leipzig, Germany


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:40:50 +0100
From: Emiliano Grilli <emillo at libero.it>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] seeking a software sampler for Linux
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

   
> Hello to all,
> 
> I´m searching for some kind of a HALion replacement on Linux. Just a
> simple engine that responses to MIDI Note on/off and Main Volume per
> channel, and that can be triggered using some sequencer (as MUSE or
> Rosegarden).
> 
> Any hint would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>      Florian Berger, Leipzig, Germany
  
  The two main choices that I'm aware of are:
  
  	* iiwusynth (http://www.hanappe.org/iiwusynth.html)
  a soundfont-enabled sampler that is already included in MusE (click on
  config-->Soft Synhtesizer, add an istance; click on Config-->Midi
  ports, select the iiwu port and then click on "GUI": this brings up a
  window in which you can choose a soundfont)
  	
	* timidity (http://www.onicos.com/staff/iz/timidity/), 
  that can be started in ALSA server mode (of course you must have ALSA
  drivers, not OSS) like this: `timidity -iA -B2,8`.
  You can load soundfonts by specifying them in the timidity.cfg
  file (on my system is /usr/share/timidity/timidity.cfg) simply adding
  the line 

   soundfont /path/to_my/soundfont.sf2

  and comment out anything else.
  
  You can find a huge amount of soundfonts on www.hammersound.net or you
  can create your own with swami (http://swami.sourceforge.net/)

  HTH
    
-- 
  .---------------------.
  | Emiliano Grilli     |
  | emillo at libero.it    |
  | Linux user #209089  |
  '---------------------'


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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:47:24 +0100
From: Vincent Touquet <vincent.touquet at pandora.be>
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] seeking a software sampler for Linux
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 10:10:56AM +0100, Florian Berger wrote:
>Hello to all,
>I?m searching for some kind of a HALion replacement on Linux. Just a
>simple engine that responses to MIDI Note on/off and Main Volume per
>channel, and that can be triggered using some sequencer (as MUSE or
>Rosegarden).

This project is your biggest hope:
http://linuxsampler.sourceforge.net/

Also, check this mailinglist's archives,
this question has come up before ...

good luck,
v

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:34:42 +0900
From: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey at boosthardware.com>
Organization: Boost Hardware
To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Rhodes sound
Reply-To: linux-audio-user at music.columbia.edu

Emiliano Grilli wrote:
>    
> 
>>Anyone know how I can emulate a rhodes using the computer keyboard?
>>
>>A mix I'm working on really needs some hearty organ.
>>
> 
> 
>   Patrick, somewere on my backup CDs I have a very good soundfont of a
>   fender rhodes (sampled from real instrument) it's about 4Mb and I
have
>   to find it (this may take a couple of days) , so tell me if I can
send 
>   it to you directly.
> 

Absolutely.

That would be much appreciated.


-- 
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================

Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No! 
We want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything 
I've ever done.

Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman



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