[LAU] Bitwig at long last...?

[tim]

>>>> probably no Linux VST either, which essentially means no plugins at all? a
>>> bit of wild choice ...
>>>
>>> No OSC either ... So we have a heavily crippled Linux version for 300 Euro?
>>
>> is there any linux-based DAW that includes a built-in modular system?
> 
> No, but we don't need - we have PureData, Supercollider and all sorts of
> modular synths. But to use them you need rich control channels. That was my point.

it is a completely different workflow to integrate pd or sc for example
into a DAW. it requires quite some non-trivial steps which might be a
bit too difficult for a lot of users. you cannot simply 'open a project'
and start working on music.

but talking about both pure data and supercollider: when i tried to
synchronize pd with jack several years ago, i had to write an external
for it. i didn't try this with supercollider, but that is going to be
non-trivial, since one will have to synchronize both language and server
to the jack-transport clock. and one will most certainly run into
troubles, because the clock of the supercollider language runs roughly
100ms ahead of the language in order to cope with network latency.

also, i'm regularly using supercollider as panner in ardour and the
workflow sucks: you need to make sure that ardour and supercollider are
started in the right order to make sure that jack connection is
established. adding another track means adding another jack port in
supercollider, which means rebooting the server, loosing all jack
connections etc. not to mention that this setup does not include any
automation ... i have considered more than once to spend a few days of
converting my panners to a plugin to avoid this hassle ...


>> different tools have different feature sets and no plugins does not mean
>> no effects or synths ...
> 
> Nobody said this. But there's a lot of music theses days where you can tell
> the tool the composer used by the sound of the composition.

true, but this is completely orthogonal. and does this apply only to
software? i think there are quite a few people who can tell you if a
guitar player plays a gibson or a fender.

tim