[LAU] Google Magenta project's first composition

Robert Edge thumbknucklerocks at gmail.com
Sat Jun 4 20:18:48 UTC 2016

I would argue that this is "process music", and that the actual composers
are the people that programmed the AI.

Also: who says that Steve Reich has nothing to do with emotion?  I find
that stuff to be beautiful.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Paul Davis <paul at linuxaudiosystems.com>

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Will Godfrey <willgodfrey at musically.me.uk>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 21:21:10 +0200
>> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 05:09:02 -0400, tom haddington wrote:
>> > >One might observe that the machine wrote bad music.  Well, humans are
>> > >already doing that, too, so Magenta has gotten at least that far!  As
>> > >with chess machines, it may be a matter of time.
>> >
>> > The point isn't, if a machine is able to fake music, it doesn't
>> > matter, if it's good or bad faked music. What the machine generates is
>> > completely uninteresting to me, since a machine has got no
>> > emotions I'm interested in. A machine has got no emotions at all, so
>> > even if the machine would generate "good music", it would be faked "good
>> > music", emotional fraud. Human impostors are able to e.g. fake love.
>> > Victims often feel more loved by an impostor, than by somebody who
>> > really loves them. Fraud could make us feel good, we anyway
>> > dislike fraud. That just shows what kind of company Google is. A human
>> > might be an untalented musician, but at least a human usually has got
>> > real emotions. A machine that is able to fake "good music" has got
>> > absolutely nothing to do with progress. It's a damage. Developing
>> > something like this shows the unimaginativeness of the developers.
>> > Nobody needs it, it's good for absolutely nothing and even not a
>> > useful step to learn something for useful AI projects or something
>> > like this.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ralf
>> For once I'm in total agreement with Ralf :o
> if this argument was totally solid, then there'd be no place for "process
> music", which also has absolutely nothing to do with expressing emotions.
> That means, for a start, no early Reichian minimalism. I don't want to live
> in that world. Be my guest.
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