[LAU] Google Magenta project's first composition

david gnome at hawaii.rr.com
Sun Jun 5 06:46:01 UTC 2016

On 06/04/2016 07:47 PM, jonetsu at teksavvy.com wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 21:21:10 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>> A machine has got no emotions at all, so
>> even if the machine would generate "good music", it would be faked
>> "good music", emotional fraud.
> Google Magenta has read this and it makes it sad.
> <oo>

FWIW, I think a true artificial intelligence would have 
feelings/emotions, or something equivalent. And ones based on learning 
could well learn those feelings from whatever they're learning from. In 
Magenta's case, that would be the human music that it's been learning from.

Way back in the days of DOS, I remember a poetry-writing program that 
did a fair job of writing basic modern poetry. Occasionally it was even 
witty. It wasn't even close to an intelligence; it was driven by 
stochastic rules the programmer had built into it, couldn't change the 
rules, didn't take in any feedback, or even read its own output.

I think Google's Magenta is more like what you might get if you applied 
Bayesian statistical techniques based on undirected self-analysis of 
existing music, defined a "goal" for the system to achieve, and added 
whatever generated music the system came up with as feedback into the 
process. Perhaps along with feedback from entities outside the system 
(humans). (As if I know anything about that.)

Anyway, music and emotions aren't necessary connected. I'm sure you've 
all heard musicians who have remarkable technical mastery, but whose 
playing can only be described as emotionally cold. I think you've 
probably heard compositions, too, that could be described best as 
intellectual exercises in making complex patterns, and also lack 
emotional feeling.

David W. Jones
gnome at hawaii.rr.com
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