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by Daniel James

Hi Leslie, > > I think we should resist this move on principle. > > I think so, too - they claim to just protect the trademark, but > they could surely do so without charging fees from non-profit > organizations. The problem is that they have the legal basis to do > whatever they want, don't they? They claim to have the authority of Linus, but I'm not sure if he was consulted on this tax-raising initiative. The Linux Mark Institute doesn't explicitly say it is run by OSDL, but it is registered in Beaverton, Oregon (same town) and its site is hosted on an OSDL server. OSDL is Linus's employer of course. The idea that free software developers and users have to pay an organisation founded by IBM, HP, Intel etc etc to use the Linux name may prove difficult to defend. It may also be difficult to enforce a trademark with legal penalties in some countries if it hasn't been enforced previously. Cheers! Daniel

20 years

New members and other stuff

by Ivica Ico Bukvic

Greetings all, It is my pleasure to announce 5 new members that have expressed interest in joining the consortium: 1) jack-rack project Represented by Leslie Patrick Polzer http://jack-rack.sourceforge.net/ 2) pawfal.org projects (spiral modular, livenoisetools etc.) Represented by Dave Griffiths http://www.pawfal.org 3) RTcmix project Represented by John Gibson http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/RTcmix-4.0-beta/ (is there a better URL?) 4) Lilypond Software Design Represented by Han-Wen Nienhuys http://www.lilypond-design.com/ 5) RTMix (this is my project so it's not that big of a deal) Represented by me :-) http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/RTMix-doc/index.html Daniel could you please add the aforementioned members to our website? Many thanks! There is also Csound project whose membership is currently pending. John ffitch has expressed interest in joining and representing Csound, but I am still waiting for the official e-mail from him. Apart from continuing to seek new members, in the coming weeks I would like to propose discussing revamping of the logo as well as the issue of forming a foundation. In the meantime, have a great summer all! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/

20 years

Re: mLAN on Linux

by Daniel James

Hi Jody, > It turns out the reason they haven't provided me with > documentation on mLAN is that basically, none exists (!). In English, maybe. There's probably some available in Japanese, but Jun-ichi has conceded that mLAN as a standard hasn't been finalised yet. > The AES > are standardizing something called "Open Generic Transporter," > which is fairly close to the current version of mLAN, and I have > that document. So, along with some protocol snooping, I should be > able to figure things out. Reverse engineering may not be required. I just had a mail from Richard Foss at Rhodes University in South Africa, indicating that quite a lot of the groundwork has been done already. I'll forward that to you. Cheers! Daniel

20 years

Fwd: RE: mLAN on Linux

by Daniel James

Hello all, Looks like there has been some progress on mLAN support. I'm currently writing an article on FireWire audio for LinuxUser & Developer, and turned up this... Cheers! Daniel ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: RE: mLAN on Linux Date: Wednesday 22 June 2005 19:46 From: "Richard Foss" <R.Foss(a)ru.ac.za> To: "Daniel James" <danieljames(a)linuxuser.co.uk>, "Shaun Bangay" <s.bangay(a)ru.ac.za> Hi Daniel, Thanks for contacting us. Yes, we have done a lot of work on mLAN under Linux, and this has been in association with Yamaha's mLAN project group led by Jun-ichi Fujimori. Shaun wrote an mLAN ALSA driver, sponsored by Yamaha, and this is available at: http://mlanalsa.sourceforge.net/ We have also written an mLAN Enabler for Linux, and associated Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) plug-ins. If you need to become familiar with the Enabler/Transporter concept, I can send you an AES paper that Jun-ichi Fujimori and I wrote about this. This Linux Enabler/HAL plug-in work was also sponsored by Yamaha, and it is this that Jun-ichi Fujimori is talking about when he mentions that source code for the current connection management system might be made available in the next few months. Let me know if you have any further queries. Regards, Richard. Richard Foss Associate Professor Computer Science Department Rhodes University Grahamstown 6140 South Africa Tel: +27 46 603 8294 Fax: +27 46 636 1915

20 years

Re: [edmemo] fao Paul White: Letter for publication

by Daniel James

Hi David, > I was wondering if you could clarify/expand > on the third paragraph, the second sentence in particular > (beguinning 'At the end of the day, software is just a bunch of > numbers...') Sure! Paul was making the comparison between distributing software for free, and leaving your front door open, inviting people to come in and take your stuff. The comparison doesn't really work because if I create a piece of software, I can burn it on to CDs any number of times for a few pence each, or even more cheaply, put it on a web server. The people I give the software to can pass it on further, until between us we've created millions of copies at negligible cost. Unfortunately, what's true for software binaries is not true for the atoms in physical property. I can't take my guitar and make thousands or millions of perfect copies of it using my computer. In fact, each copy I make could cost at least as much or more than the first one, assuming I actually had the skills required to copy a guitar. So while I'm happy to distribute free software, I wouldn't let just anyone borrow my guitar - and there's nothing illogical about that. A problem is created when proprietary software companies try to have it both ways. On the one hand, they want to be able to use CD-ROM and internet technologies to mass-produce software at a very high profit margin. On the other hand, they pretend to be upset when other people use exactly the same technologies to copy the software without paying for it. We could draw an analogy with music itself, and say that the real problem is how to make sure that creativity in the development of software is rewarded. Cheers! Daniel

20 years

fao Paul White: Letter for publication

by Daniel James

Hello Paul, In your July issue editorial, I think you've unintentionally misrepresented the views of free software developers producing audio and music applications for Linux and other platforms. There are people who think software should be free, but they're not demanding that proprietary software houses give away their creations. Instead, they are writing their own software, and giving the source code away - which of course they are perfectly entitled to do. It has practical benefits because software needs active maintenance to remain useful, so the more people who have access to the code, the better. The argument that software and physical property, such as the stuff in your house, are equivalent will always fall on its face. At the end of the day, software is just a bunch of numbers, and what's true for software creators (marginal or zero cost copying) is just as true for software users. Proprietary software companies moan about so-called 'piracy', but in truth they'd rather have an unpaid-for copy of their own software running on your machine than a paid-for copy from their competitor. It's how a particular application becomes a de-facto standard. Every time someone passes a installer CD to their friend, they are participating in viral marketing for that company. Hardware prices have fallen dramatically, but proprietary music software is as expensive as ever. I mean, £1450 for a single copy of Nuendo, with known bugs? I'd resent having to pay for bug fix updates too. Is it any wonder that students and musicians are writing their own software? Cheers! Daniel James 63 School Green Road Freshwater Isle of Wight PO40 9AT

20 years

Fwd: LinuxWorld Expo 2005 .Org Village London

by Daniel James

Hello all, Would anyone be interested in taking part in this? I'll probably be working on the LinuxUser & Developer stand at this event, so I'm afraid I can't guarantee to help out this time. Cheers Daniel ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: LinuxWorld Expo 2005 .Org Village London Date: Friday 17 June 2005 09:40 From: Brian Teeman <brian(a)uklinux.net> To: Daniel James <daniel(a)linuxaudio.org> Thanks to generous sponsorship space is available once again, FREE of charge, in the .Org Village for Linux projects, groups & campaigns. LinuxWorld Conference & Expo will take place over two days, 5th and 6th October at the Olympia Exhibition Centre in London, UK. LinuxWorld Conference & Expo is the No. 1 marketplace for companies that sell, market or promote Linux-Based products, services, applications and solutions. Experiencing astounding growth, it's the largest gathering of open source professionals in the world. Linux adoption has been, and continues to be, nothing short of meteoric. Each year I am given the task of scouring the UK and the rest of the world for participants for the .Org Village at Linux Expo's in the UK. Over the last few years we have made the .Org Village the largest of any Linux Expo in the World. Sadly space is limited at the Expo. However unlike other LinuxWorld Expo's we do not allocate space on a first come first served basis or based on the percieved size of you .Org. Submissions are welcome up until the 1st August. At that time we will announce which entrants have been accepted. Whilst some priority will be made to UK based .Orgs the size of your Org will not be either a benefit or hindrance. Some space will be reserved specifially for small or new Orgs. Please submit your application at http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk Any decisions made will be based on numerous factors but specificaly on their relevance to a UK Linux expo. Your project/group/campaign will be provided with exhibition space including electrics, storage etc. at no cost. This is a great opportunity to promote your project to a large audience at minimal (no) cost, and also to help make the .Org Village a lively discussion and meeting place for the whole Linux and Open Source community. For further details on the exhibition see www.linuxworldexpo.co.uk If you are not the correct person who would deal with this in your organisation please forward this e-mail to them and to anyone else who you think might be interested. Brian Teeman .Org-aniser uklinux.net - Sponsors of the .org Village. -------------------------------------------------------

20 years

ICMC Inspirational Ideas

by The S2S² project

[ Apologies for cross-posting. Feel free to forward around ] The ICMC2005 team (www.icmc05.org) together with the S2S² project (www.s2s2.org) is proposing another way of actively participate and interact in the conference apart from the traditional calls (papers, music,..) The basic idea is to have a venue where researchers and composers can discuss preliminary or visionary ideas. The ideas can be musical, technical, scientific, theoretical, practical, .... No proven results or developed systems are required, the only restriction is that the ideas should be original, inspired and thought provoking. The proposals will be reviewed by a panel. The authors will have a 5 min presentation time in a free-spirited discussion forum inside the ICMC05 activities. The accepted proposals will be printed as handouts during the venue. After the conference, a book will be published containing the papers and a summary of the discussion. This book will also be available online through the S2S² website. We are personally inviting relevant figures in the field to contribute to this idea, which we think is exciting and promising. There is no specific format or template for this call, we encourage original and interesting usage of the one-page format.Please consider submitting a proposal before the deadline on May 23rd, especially if you are already considering attending the Barcelona conference. Read more at http://www.icmc2005.org/index.php?selectedPage=87

20 years, 1 month

Greetings, thanks, LAC report, and other important stuff...

by Ivica Ico Bukvic

Greetings all! First off, I would like to extend my thanks to all the board members, especially Daniel, for entrusting me the honor as well as the responsibility of the Director of Linuxaudio.org consortium. I sincerely hope that during my term I will be able to live up to your expectations :-). Right before my departure for LAC, I posted a reply with a brief overview of my goals for the consortium for the upcoming year, apparently, that e-mail was sent to the "management" list and therefore not everyone got to read about them. Therefore, I would like to use this opportunity to present you with a quick overview of the ideas I would like to pursue (naturally, with the board's blessing) over the course of next 12 months. Considering that these goals are very much in-line with my LAC paper, I will present them in the form which has met support from both the consortium members who had attended the meeting, as well as other general participants who were there in order to learn more about the consortium. I will, however, provide some additional thoughts in respect to each of the sub-initiatives that I've been toying with since my return from LAC. Therefore, please observe the information below as a mere list of suggestions. "Made in GNU/Linux" initiative whose scope is described below, is an expansion of the consortium's operations in order to better serve the community. The sub-initiatives are listed in no particular order (also please note that many of them offer overlapping benefits which is annotated appropriately in their description): 1) Continue expansion of the membership base *I've talked with the FreeBob project developers in order to follow-up on the Daniel's correspondence with them prior to the LAC and they have expressed genuine interest in joining, which, as Daniel has already reported earlier today, they have already done. *John ffitch (Csound) also expressed interest in joining, and I have received an e-mail earlier today from Dave Phillips (who had contacted John via csound list) suggesting that this should happen any day now. *Han-Wen and Jan of Lilypond project, after an interesting discourse have also expressed interest in joining. I've contacted them earlier today in order to once again encourage them to join the consortium and I just received an e-mail confirming their interest. *Ludger Bruemmer, head of the ZKM music dept., has also expressed interest in supporting Linuxaudio.org via ZKM (as an institution). I am currently in touch with Goetz to see if this will pan out. *Several other users/developers who attended the consortium meeting at LAC (it was open to all who wished to attend) have expressed general approval of the consortium's goals as well as the goals listed below. 2) Offer non-project-oriented (i.e. user) membership *While the consortium is currently primarily focusing on project/institution membership, I feel that we should also reach out to the end-user members of the community, including also an important sub-group -- artists. In order to foster exposure, my belief is that Linux audio software needs to be featured in real-world situations to really gain credibility. Naturally, this is already happening on various levels but I would want to see Linuxaudio.org take on a more active stance towards this form of outreach. *Some end-users I've interacted with have expressed willingness to contribute to the community but felt that they lacked necessary skills (i.e. development, dreaded documentation writing). My belief is that the end-users should be offered an avenue through which they could contribute to the community, including donations and/or membership fees (for more on this please see below under the heading "foundation"), as well as interaction/collaboration with other sub-groups. 3) Serve as converging point between various sub-groups *Developers, end-users, commercial vendors, other open-source groups/foundations (FSF), media, other. *Encourage interaction and cross-collaboration. *Generate membership options for each of these sub-groups in as inclusive fashion as possible. For instance, offer various levels of membership (i.e. for developers we could have following membership levels: "supporter" is a non-paying member who supports the consortium by being part of it and in return is linked from the consortium's page and has a vote in decisions, "patron" is a paying member who in addition to "supporter's" benefits also gets PR exposure through initiatives sponsored by the foundation, etc.) 4) Provide database-driven website that would eventually encompass an exhaustive search for various audio-related software, linux artists, supported hardware etc. 5) Expand board's functions in order to cover necessary functions that will be introduced with the implementation of a foundation *Treasurer *Membership *Media Relations *Hardware vendor contact 6) Instantiate a not-for-profit foundation *Establish various levels of membership for various sub-groups including ones with annual dues *Seek funding opportunities from commercial vendors *Generate initiatives that provide additional cash-flow (i.e. CD compilations, journals, other) *Offer annual awards for best Linux audio-related art and for the software project that made most progress in the past year (additional rules would apply, i.e. same project cannot win more than once, or perhaps not more than once in 5 years, etc.) *Consider making awards available only to the paying projects OR make every linux audio project eligible and if they win and happen not to be part of the consortium, they get a complimentary membership for one year (which would hopefully encourage them to remain members) *Most importantly, use money for PR stuff (posters in magazines, conference exposure) *Seek sponsorship/support from institutions and companies alike *Sponsor creation of specific documentation (prioritizing could be voted on by the membership base) *Consider forming the foundation in a country that is Linux-friendly (i.e. no volatile patent support etc.) -- this may not be that relevant, though. I would actually appreciate some thoughts on this point. 7) Generate consortium's logo *Necessary for letterheads, media exposure, etc. *Encourages consistency. *Would be available in several sub-flavors for use by members as well as commercial vendors (with appropriate licensing fee): a) "Made in GNU/Linux" would be for projects which have been developed primarily on Linux platform, b) logo without the aforementioned statement would be for others. *The use of the logo by members would be encouraged but not mandated. *The placement of logo (on the website or inside the application) would be left to project developer's discretion. 8) Strengthen ties with other open-source foundations (i.e. FSF) *Ability to rely upon legal and other forms of help when necessary 9) Provide exhaustive info for newcomers *Endorse hardware *Endorse linux distributions *Documentation *Search/links *Other info That should more or less it in a very rough form. As you can see there are a lot of things and ideas but I believe what needs to happen first is to place these into some sort of a timeline and establish time-stamped milestones. Since I am quite tired (still fighting the jetlag) and this e-mail is way longer than what I originally anticipated it to be, if you don't mind I would like to talk about this aspect of my proposal later on this week in a follow-up e-mail. In the meantime, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on these ideas. Once again, many thanks to all, especially to the linuxaudio.org members who have generously shared their thoughts at LAC in order to make this initiative better! Best wishes, Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/

20 years, 1 month

Re: mLAN specifications for Linux developers?

by Daniel James

Hello Jun-ichi, > I think it is good time for you to communicate with the "Open > Generic Transporter" working group (SC02-06G) in AES. Thanks for the information - I think Jody McIntyre will want to follow that up. Jody, can you let us know how you get on please? > Also we hope we can open sample source code of current mLAN connection > management system and mLAN device control modules for Linux with in > several months. That's great news - I'm sure there are many Linux developers who will want to take a look at that. > But I am not so familiar with Linux community any advice > and suggestions about our contribution would be appreciated. The best way to communicate directly with developers is to use the linux-audio-announce and linux-audio-developer mailing lists, which you can find here: http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-announce/ This list is just for announcements http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev/ This list is for discussions If you need to get in touch with Linux companies and projects, linuxaudio.org has a consortium mailing list: http://lists.linuxaudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/consortium Cheers! Daniel

20 years, 2 months

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