28 Mar
2006
28 Mar
'06
2:14 a.m.
Personally I think the possibility of Ubuntu or any
other Linux centered
dist, institution or project being ostracized for *any* reason is quite
strange. Even more so, because they are involved in a successful
business enterprise.
Second that.
In the past serious decisions have been made by the
Board of Directors
which is a private invite only mailing list with a smaller portion of
the original members included on it. However I am willing to code up a
page to allow anonymous votes for future decision making by everyone if
necessary.
True, although my understanding is that every member
project/institution/whatever, upon joining can opt for adding a voting member
to the board (as described at the bottom of the "About" page). Hence, I feel
that we need to adhere to the policy. That being said, I am not sure whether
Jaromil had ever opted to represent his project in the board as a voting
member nor am I aware of any log that would annotate that being done, but
assuming that he has, then he has every right to call for a vote.
It is my belief that this aspect of the consortium's structure will have to be
revisited, because as we grow, the current model will become more and more
unwieldy. But in the absence of the such a revision, I'd propose simply a
voting system which will ascertain what a majority of the Linuxaudio.org
membership wants to do in respect to Ubuntu, act upon this vote, hopefully
learn from the whole experience and move on. My hope is that we will then use
this situation as a model for restructuring of the current consortium's
hierarchy/board/whatever, so that we can better anticipate future occurrences
of similar situations.
Best wishes,
Ico
28 Mar
28 Mar
4:50 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Hi Ico,
Third that (if you can say it :-) ) In fact I don't believe Canonical is
profitable yet; it's funded by personal earnings from the dot-com
years. No different from how Paul Davis funded Ardour and JACK
development for so long.
Although 'high-net-worth' individuals attract attention, I don't see why
a free software company controlled by an individual is any worse than a
company controlled by VCs, bankers or by shareholders. Companies are
simply not democratic entities, and it would be naive of us to ignore
all the Linux-related development that goes on inside commercial
organisations.
Ingo Molnar's kernel work at Red Hat for instance. Red Hat has a market
capitalisation of well over five billion US dollars, making it many
times richer than Mark or Canonical (unless he has a few more billion
dollars hidden away somewhere).
Personally I
think the possibility of Ubuntu or any other Linux centered
dist, institution or project being ostracized for *any* reason is quite
strange. Even more so, because they are involved in a successful
business enterprise.
Second that. >In the past serious decisions have been made by the
Board of Directors
>which is a private invite only mailing list with a smaller portion of
>the original members included on it.
On the basis of one representative nominated by each member project. The
current Management Board members, listed on the Contact page of the
site, are:
Andrea Glorioso (AGNULA)
Patrick Shirkey (Boost Hardware)
Jaromil (dyne:bolic)
Richard Bown (Fervent Software)
Christian Schaller (GStreamer)
Jan Depner (JAMin)
Ron Parker (Mirror Image)
Steve Harris (plugin.org.uk)
Chris Cannam (Rosegarden)
Daniel Wagner (FreeBob)
You'll notice that I'm not on there (as I thought there would be a
conflict of interest if a director or former director would also be on
the Management Board - you can't supervise yourself). So my opinion is
merely an opinion.
Cheers!
Daniel
8:12 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Andrea Glorioso (AGNULA)
Patrick Shirkey (Boost Hardware)
Jaromil (dyne:bolic)
Richard Bown (Fervent Software)
Christian Schaller (GStreamer)
Jan Depner (JAMin)
Ron Parker (Mirror Image)
Steve Harris (plugin.org.uk)
Chris Cannam (Rosegarden)
Daniel Wagner (FreeBob)
You'll notice that I'm not on there (as I thought there would be a
conflict of interest if a director or former director would also be on
the Management Board - you can't supervise yourself). So my opinion is
merely an opinion.
I think this is a non-issue and that you should be definitely a part of the
board. As a matter of fact, I am using this opportunity to wield my
directorial gavel and insist on that being the case ;-)
Best wishes,
Ico
8:27 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Hi Ico,
OK, if you insist, then I can represent 64 Studio on the board. However
I believe it should be policy that the current Director can't be on the
board - otherwise the director could end up with the casting vote on
whether or not they should sacked, tarred and feathered, and sent into
exile in Redmond, WA ;-)
I will phase out using my 'official' daniel at linuxaudio.org address,
as I haven't been director for some time of course. I'll still keep
picking up that mail though, in case there are any enquiries from old
links, which I can forward to you.
Cheers!
Daniel
You'll
notice that I'm not on there (as I thought there would be a
conflict of interest if a director or former director would also be on
the Management Board - you can't supervise yourself).
I think this is a non-issue and that you should be definitely a part of the
board. As a matter of fact, I am using this opportunity to wield my
directorial gavel and insist on that being the case ;-)
8:43 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
I think this
is a non-issue and that you should be definitely a part of
the
board. As a matter of fact, I am using this
opportunity to wield my
directorial gavel and insist on that being the case ;-)
OK, if you insist, then I can represent 64 Studio on the board. However
I believe it should be policy that the current Director can't be on the
board - otherwise the director could end up with the casting vote on
whether or not they should sacked, tarred and feathered, and sent into
exile in Redmond, WA ;-)
8:53 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Hi Ico,
If my understanding is correct, and please correct me
if I am wrong, in a
case of a tie that calls for a deciding vote, then that's the only peculiar
situation where the director can vote.
No, the policy says that the Chair of the Management Board has the
casting vote, which is Dave of course.
Cheers!
Daniel
9:15 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Daniel James wrote:
Hi Ico,
Btw, I am keeping up with this thread.
Too much else going on, sorry I'm not more directly involved.
Best,
dp
If my understanding is correct, and please
correct me if I am wrong,
in a
case of a tie that calls for a deciding vote, then that's the only
peculiar
situation where the director can vote.
No, the policy says that the Chair of the Management Board has the
casting vote, which is Dave of course.
10:59 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
If my
understanding is correct, and please correct me if I am wrong, in
a
case of a tie that calls for a deciding vote,
then that's the only
peculiar
situation where the director can vote.
No, the policy says that the Chair of the Management Board has the
casting vote, which is Dave of course. 
30 Mar
30 Mar
12:53 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Backtracking a few thoughts, I would call for any voting software to come
from outside the consortium, just so theres no risk of any claims of
conflict of interest, eg. (not an endorsement, just google result)
http://www.ballotbin.com/
Personally, I dont like the idea of voting in new members, it seems very
exclusionist. I would prefer to just let anyone who agreed to abide by the
rules join, but I recognise that it's not that simple.
- Steve
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:59:01 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Cool! Thanks for clarifying this!
Best wishes,
Ico
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If my understanding is correct, and please correct me
if I am wrong, in
a
case of a tie that calls for a deciding vote,
then that's the only
peculiar
situation where the director can vote.
No, the policy says that the Chair of the Management Board has the
casting vote, which is Dave of course.
8:55 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
From: consortium-bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
[mailto:consortium-
bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Harris
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:53 AM
To: 'consortium'
Subject: Re: [Consortium] problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Backtracking a few thoughts, I would call for any voting software to come
from outside the consortium, just so theres no risk of any claims of
conflict of interest, eg. (not an endorsement, just google result)
http://www.ballotbin.com/
Personally, I dont like the idea of voting in new members, it seems very
exclusionist. I would prefer to just let anyone who agreed to abide by the
rules join, but I recognise that it's not that simple.
Great suggestions, Steve. I agree on both accounts, especially on the
"exclusionist" aspect. We neither can afford to be exclusionist nor does
such a behavior seem to be compatible with our mission. Rather, IMHO we
should work on reinforcing the notion of variety we enjoy in a libre
community.
Best wishes,
Ico
- Steve
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 01:59:01 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
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> > If my understanding is correct, and
please correct me if I am wrong,
in
a
Cool! Thanks for clarifying this!
Best wishes,
Ico
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then that's the only
peculiar
situation where the director can vote.
No, the policy says that the Chair of the Management Board has the
casting vote, which is Dave of course. 
31 Mar
31 Mar
6:26 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 11:54:56AM -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
dear Ivica,
i agree to not vote on any member joining, still i think it is fair to
give the possibility to a member of the board to propose a voting in
case of justified doubts.
despite your reiterated denigration of my positions i still believe to
have properly explained and justified my doubts about the pertinence of
Ubuntu being part of our consortium.
now i'm just looking forward to hear other members opinions.
thanks in advance for your respect and fairness,
ciao,
jrml
(this email is not signed since i had a harddisk crash and still need to
recover a proper mail-client setup)
From:
consortium-bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org [mailto:consortium-
bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Harris
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:53 AM
To: 'consortium'
Subject: Re: [Consortium] problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Backtracking a few thoughts, I would call for any voting software to come
from outside the consortium, just so theres no risk of any claims of
conflict of interest, eg. (not an endorsement, just google result)
http://www.ballotbin.com/
Personally, I dont like the idea of voting in new members, it seems very
exclusionist. I would prefer to just let anyone who agreed to abide by the
rules join, but I recognise that it's not that simple.
Great suggestions, Steve. I agree on both accounts, especially on the
"exclusionist" aspect. We neither can afford to be exclusionist nor does
such a behavior seem to be compatible with our mission. Rather, IMHO we
should work on reinforcing the notion of variety we enjoy in a libre
community. 
6:56 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
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despite your reiterated denigration of my positions
i still believe to
have properly explained and justified my doubts
about the pertinence of
Ubuntu being part of our consortium.
now i'm just looking forward to hear other members
opinions.
I reviewed the consortium about/mission statement;
http://linuxaudio.org/en/about.html paragraph 1, last
sentance:
"The consortium aims to co-ordinate joint projects
between members, collaborate on the promotion of Linux
based systems for audio tasks, and provide a single
point of contact for prospective industry partners."
The Linux Audio Consortium has no political, social,
religious, moral or economic devotion to a common
greater reality.
Are your objections for including Ubuntu based on
political and moral issues? Forgive me if you have to
clarify the obvious but that's all I seem to recall
from what I read. If your answer is yes then I do not
support your cause--despite my being an active
advocate for human rights.
Beyound those issues I see Ubuntu discussed on the
Linux Audio User mailing list so there's no argument
to convince me that they are not relevant to our
interests. There is an abundance of evidence in
practice and that matters a great deal.
If a vote is cast today then I am in favor of
including Ubuntu as a member of the Linux Audio
Consortium. Jaromil, I wouldn't express my position if
you didn't deserve to know where I stand.
Ron Parker
Mirror Image
thanks in advance for your respect and fairness,
ciao,
jrml
(this email is not signed since i had a harddisk
crash and still need to
recover a proper mail-client setup)
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7:42 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
i agree to not vote on any member joining, still i
think it is fair to
give the possibility to a member of the board to propose a voting in
case of justified doubts.
despite your reiterated denigration of my positions i still believe to
have properly explained and justified my doubts about the pertinence of
Ubuntu being part of our consortium.
Dear Jaromil,
I sincerely hope that you have not misunderstood my
statements/clarifications as a means of belittling your stance.
Best wishes,
Ico
10:11 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
hi Ron,
On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 06:56:15AM -0800, R Parker wrote:
The Linux Audio Consortium has no political, social,
religious, moral or economic devotion to a common
greater reality.
Are your objections for including Ubuntu based on
political and moral issues?
nope. to resume, they are based on two main issues:
1) fostering variety and discouraging top-down branding of big
distributions. this point is better described in my previous
posts: consider i'm doing a distribution myself and at the same time
writing software for mine and other distributions, so i'm constantly
questioning how small and medium scale efforts can be sustainable
especially if a distribution can hide to the users the single efforts
it contains and even the original platform it forks from after 10
years of development. we should preserve and support the variety of
free software, not brand it under a single flag, to make it survive
lively as it does now (IMHO).
2) pertinence - since Ubuntu is not an audio oriented distribution.
Forgive me if you have to clarify the obvious but
that's all I seem to
recall from what I read.
no problem. i'm really glad to hear others opinions as i'm not running a
crusade, just a poll and a discussion.
ciao,
jrml
1 Apr
1 Apr
1:02 p.m.
New subject: problem about inclusion of Ubuntu
Hi Jaromil,
consider i'm doing a distribution myself and at
the same time
writing software for mine and other distributions, so i'm constantly
questioning how small and medium scale efforts can be sustainable
Do you believe they would be more sustainable if the mainstream
distributions didn't exist? In my view, specialist distributions suit a
minority of users, while most users have more general needs.
especially if a distribution can hide to the users
the single efforts
it contains and even the original platform it forks from after 10
years of development.
Whenever I hear Mark speak he always makes the effort to give credit to
the Debian project. Whether you believe Ubuntu is a fork of Debian or
maintains the feedback loop, I'd have to point out that before Ubuntu
came along, Debian was having severe difficulties in getting releases
out. I believe that Ubuntu has helped to re-energise Debian (even if
it's just through providing some competition in their back yard).
we should preserve and support the variety of
free software, not brand it under a single flag
I don't think Ubuntu is likely to achieve that. Red Hat has reserves of
over $1 billion in cash and investments, Novell isn't poor either, and
Debian is not going away.
2) pertinence - since Ubuntu is not an audio oriented
distribution.
We already have Mandriva as a member, and that's not specifically about
audio - but like Ubuntu, it's a distribution that wants to contribute to
audio development and provide a better audio experience for its users.
Cheers!
Daniel
4 Apr
4 Apr
9:49 p.m.
New subject: logo - round three
Hi,
Daniel and I have put some effort into the logo and would like your
response on the new result.
http://djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
Cheers.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
10:34 p.m.
New subject: logo - round three
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:48:08AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Daniel and I have put some effort into the logo and would like your
response on the new result.
http://djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
So there's this close-to-sine-wave that can be read to represent audio.
The arrows tell us it goes everywhere. They also make it look quite
agressive.
But it's wrapped in an egg!?
The oval should be dropped. It doesn't add meaning and makes the
outer shape less recognizable.
The stems of the upper left and lower right arrows come too close
to the waveform. I think the arrows would work with just their
heads, simply triangles.
The circle, arrows and colours give this an ethno/ tribal feel.
This might be a good thing, I'm not sure.
The waveform should be an exact sine (can be scaled) or obviously
be something different.
I would try black or white for the waveform, to only leave one
special colour to the circle. The circle could do with an outline,
perhaps.
Cheers,
Thorsten Wilms
11:42 p.m.
New subject: logo - round three
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.
I have made the mods and put it up for comparison.
http://djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
Cheers.
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:48:08AM +0700, Patrick
Shirkey wrote:
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke
discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets
disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street.
Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before
the arrival of U.S. troops.
United Press International
Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites
By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO
Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM
Daniel and I have put some effort into the logo
and would like your
response on the new result.
http://djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
So there's this close-to-sine-wave that can be read to represent audio.
The arrows tell us it goes everywhere. They also make it look quite
agressive.
But it's wrapped in an egg!?
The oval should be dropped. It doesn't add meaning and makes the
outer shape less recognizable.
The stems of the upper left and lower right arrows come too close
to the waveform. I think the arrows would work with just their
heads, simply triangles.
The circle, arrows and colours give this an ethno/ tribal feel.
This might be a good thing, I'm not sure.
The waveform should be an exact sine (can be scaled) or obviously
be something different.
I would try black or white for the waveform, to only leave one
special colour to the circle. The circle could do with an outline,
perhaps.
Cheers,
Thorsten Wilms
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5 Apr
5 Apr
12:02 a.m.
New subject: logo - round three
Looks much better! I'd say we still need a couple alterations, i.e.:
1) perhaps make the center sphere a wireframe globe to suggest international
scope of the organization
2) Make arrows blend more (more curved? Shiny?)
3) Make the logo grayscale
Best wishes,
Ico
-----Original Message-----
From: consortium-bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org [mailto:consortium-
bounces(a)lists.linuxaudio.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shirkey
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:41 PM
To: consortium
Subject: Re: [Consortium] logo - round three
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback.
I have made the mods and put it up for comparison.
http://djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
Cheers.
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:48:08AM +0700, Patrick
Shirkey wrote:
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke
discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets
disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street.
Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before
the arrival of U.S. troops.
United Press International
Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites
By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO
Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM
_______________________________________________
Consortium mailing list
Consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/consortium Daniel and I have put some effort into the logo
and would like your
response on the new result.
http://djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
So there's this close-to-sine-wave that can be read to represent audio.
The arrows tell us it goes everywhere. They also make it look quite
agressive.
But it's wrapped in an egg!?
The oval should be dropped. It doesn't add meaning and makes the
outer shape less recognizable.
The stems of the upper left and lower right arrows come too close
to the waveform. I think the arrows would work with just their
heads, simply triangles.
The circle, arrows and colours give this an ethno/ tribal feel.
This might be a good thing, I'm not sure.
The waveform should be an exact sine (can be scaled) or obviously
be something different.
I would try black or white for the waveform, to only leave one
special colour to the circle. The circle could do with an outline,
perhaps.
Cheers,
Thorsten Wilms
_______________________________________________
Consortium mailing list
Consortium(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/consortium
2:38 a.m.
New subject: logo - round three
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Looks much better! I'd say we still need a couple
alterations, i.e.:
1) perhaps make the center sphere a wireframe globe to suggest international
scope of the organization
2) Make arrows blend more (more curved? Shiny?)
3) Make the logo grayscale
Hi,
Please have a look at the latest versions.
http://www.djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
I didn't curve the wireframe. If it is deemed necessary then I will do
it later. However the current version looks quite suitable IMO. Anyhow,
It's 5:30 am here so any other mods will be done another day.
Cheers.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/ - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Apparently upon the beginning of the barrage, the donkey broke
discipline and panicked, toppling the cart. At that point, the rockets
disconnected from the timer, leaving them strewn around the street.
Tethered to the now toppled cart, the donkey was unable to escape before
the arrival of U.S. troops.
United Press International
Rockets on donkeys hit major Baghdad sites
By P. MITCHELL PROTHERO
Published 11/21/2003 11:13 AM
12:40 p.m.
New subject: logo - round three
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 05:36 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
The only one I liked out of the bunch is this one:
http://djcj.org/LAU/images/logo-linuxAudioOrg2-3-500x427.png
It's the simplest, and doesn't have the wireframe. That wireframe will
disappear at smaller sizes anyhow.
I'd just vote that the waveform be thickened slightly, as in the ones
above it.
Just my thoughts.
Dana
Looks much better! I'd say we still need a
couple alterations, i.e.:
1) perhaps make the center sphere a wireframe globe to suggest international
scope of the organization
2) Make arrows blend more (more curved? Shiny?)
3) Make the logo grayscale
Hi,
Please have a look at the latest versions.
http://www.djcj.org/LAU/logos-lao.html
I didn't curve the wireframe. If it is deemed necessary then I will do
it later. However the current version looks quite suitable IMO. Anyhow,
It's 5:30 am here so any other mods will be done another day.
Cheers.
2:58 p.m.
New subject: logo - round three
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:40:39AM -0400, Dana Olson wrote:
The only one I liked out of the bunch is this one:
http://djcj.org/LAU/images/logo-linuxAudioOrg2-3-500x427.png
It's the simplest, and doesn't have the wireframe. That wireframe will
disappear at smaller sizes anyhow.
Agreed, the wireframe is too busy, also, its still not quite a real sine
wave. The one linked obove is the one I like best too. The outward
pointing triangles do seem a bit agressive, but I'm not sure that's a big
deal.
- Steve
11:08 p.m.
New subject: logo - round three
The only one I liked out of the bunch is this one:
http://djcj.org/LAU/images/logo-linuxAudioOrg2-3-500x427.png
It's the simplest, and doesn't have the wireframe. That wireframe will
disappear at smaller sizes anyhow.
I'd just vote that the waveform be thickened slightly, as in the ones
above it.
Just my thoughts.
Dana
Please do not take this wrong, I certainly do not mean to be rude or
offensive and I do think that the logo is definitely heading in the right
direction, but IMHO without prior knowledge what this logo is all about, one
could see it represent an underwater mine rather than something that has to
do with Linux and/or audio (apart from the relatively obfuscated sine
curve)...
There is also a question of what aspect of this logo has anything to do with
Linux. I know that Tux has become to some extent a cliché, but then again it
is a branding issue--if we are *Linux* audio consortium, why are we not
emphasizing this fine distinction in our visual design?
Best wishes,
Ico
6 Apr
6 Apr
12:04 a.m.
New subject: logo - round three
http://djcj.org/LAU/images/logo-linuxAudioOrg2-3-500x427.png
It's the simplest, and doesn't have the wireframe. That wireframe will
disappear at smaller sizes anyhow.
I'd just vote that the waveform be thickened slightly, as in the ones
above it.
Just my thoughts.
Dana
Please do not take this wrong, I certainly do not mean to be rude or
offensive and I do think that the logo is definitely heading in the right
direction, but IMHO without prior knowledge what this logo is all about,
one
could see it represent an underwater mine rather than something that has
to
do with Linux and/or audio (apart from the relatively obfuscated sine
curve)...
There is also a question of what aspect of this logo has anything to do
with
Linux. I know that Tux has become to some extent a cliché, but then again
it
is a branding issue--if we are *Linux* audio consortium, why are we not
emphasizing this fine distinction in our visual design? 
9:59 a.m.
New subject: logo - round three
Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:40:39AM -0400, Dana Olson
wrote:
The aggressive look is a bit off-putting to me, too ... makes me think
of a naval mine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mina_morska_typu_M_1908-39.jpg
-Eric Rz.
The only one I liked out of the bunch is this
one:
http://djcj.org/LAU/images/logo-linuxAudioOrg2-3-500x427.png
It's the simplest, and doesn't have the wireframe. That wireframe will
disappear at smaller sizes anyhow.
Agreed, the wireframe is too busy, also, its
still not quite a real sine
wave. The one linked obove is the one I like best too. The outward
pointing triangles do seem a bit agressive, but I'm not sure that's a big
deal. 
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