Thank you Holger
I will work through this, I see what you mean.
If I can just get jack to have repeatable problems, then I can work with
it, but at the moment it all seems random.
Re Motu, it cuts my dependency on a specific OS and has a great web
based mixer, while it is usb complaiant with linux, Heaven! That way at
least I can cut my problems in half. I will still have the jack usb/midi
problems, but at least I have a rock solid os independent mixer option.
The 1818vsl is Do$e only and is a horrible flakey piece of software.
Huge upgrade. At least Motu is Linux friendly compared to most of the
other manufacturers, so I go that way.
On 2019-03-22 04:27, Holger Marzen wrote:
  On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, liebrecht(a)grossmann-venter.com
wrote:
  I am moving to Motu which will really6 ease
things up. The Presonus
 gear is
 not very well thought through, but it is not the problem here. 
 Good luck.
  I am hesitant to use jack as it almost never work
consistently,
 pulseaudio at
 least works. If I uninstall pulseaudio I will lose all my bluetooth
 enabled
 ipads and galaxys etc. That works just great. Pulse has other problems
 being a
 systemd applicat5ion there is a lot of built in garbage I agree, but
 wihout it
 I dont think anything can take its place currently. 
 The problem isn't jack but the multitude of audio systems with Linux.
 The biggest problem for a jack newbie is to reliably keep Pulsaudio
 away
 from the audio adapter hardware. It grabs the adapter and then jackd
 can't use it.
 Solution:
 Configure Pulseaudio NOT to use the soundcard but jack-sink and
 jack-source, so it outputs to a running jackd.
 There are many ways to do it. I use /etd/pulse/default.pa with
 load-module module-jack-source
 load-module module-jack-sink channels=2
 The addition "channels=2" is important when you have an audio interface
 with more than 2 channels, e.g. the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4. Without
 "channels=2" the SoundCloud player sounds odd because Pulseaudio
 fiddles
 around with the channels. Maybe there is another solution, too.
 See 
http://marzen.de/Holger/pulseaudio_and_jack/
 Regards
 Holger