On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 20:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 10:52 -0700, Fernando
Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 14:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 01:04 +0200, Arnold Krille
wrote:
  We are not talking about 5.1 or 7.1 here. These
suck big time.
 We are talking about ambisonics vs. binaurals vs. simple stereo here! 
 Ok, I noticed this.
 Fon's AmbDec is the player for the files from
 
http://www.ambisonia.com/?!
 I guess a friend who lives near to my home has at least 8 outputs for an
 Envy24 sound card and at least a JBL 5.1 setup, so the 5.1 speakers
 could be used for a minimalist ambisonics. 
 Yes. Fons ships an ambdec configuration for playing in a 5.1 setup (it
 is not optimal because the back speakers in a 5.1 setup are too far
 apart but it works - I use it at home). Of course it assumes that the
 5.1 setup is correct. This link has a diagram of the speaker angles:
   
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1
   The speakers of the 5.1 system should just be used, because they are 5
 of the same type and because there are equal amps for the speakers.
 There's no need to keep
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/4/4e/ITUKreis_Ruhnke.jpg/300…,
if the speakers should really be placed correctly for 5.1 at the friends living room at
the moment. 
I'm not sure I understand. The 5.1 ambisonics decoder in Ambdec can
decode to that arrangement and it is pretty good. You could try that
before moving the speakers around.
  If possible I would prefer to replace them in a way
that's good for
 ambisonics.
 ...
 IIUC 4 speakers could be set up in a quadrate with "front" at positiv-x
 direction and the listener has to be in the middle of the quadrate. 
Yes, you could move them into a square, use only four and use the square
decoder. A 5.1 setup can be used to play up to second order ambisonics,
a 4 channel square can only play first order ambisonics.
Most of the recordings in 
ambisonia.com are first order (but I think
there are a few higher order as well).
See this for another example of ambisonics at home:
http://stackingdwarves.net/public_stuff/linux_audio/ambi_at_home/joern_nett…
-- Fernando
  Maybe there will be 8 similar speakers and amps, but
regarding to the
 sound card the limit is 8 channels. I guess somewhere on the ambisonics
 website there will be some text and graphic about such setups.