10 Jun
2004
10 Jun
'04
4:58 a.m.
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 08:22:12 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
Yeah osc.udp://localhost:2134/ui/show ;) I'm very much in favour of
simple, UNDERcomplicated solutions. If you make its easy to do almost
everything and possible to do hard things I think you get the best
protocol / API / design.
e.g. HTTPs decision to make the protocol stateless. Its great. Means that
sessioning is a complete pain in the arse, but 99% of people never have to
do HTTP sessioning. OTOH FTP has tons of state (anddd hence a very complex
API), even though most people never use it.
On Wed, Jun 09,
2004 at 07:18:57PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
There is chasm both broad and deep between
"plugin, show your GUI now"
and an actual implementation of such functionality. I think at this point all we need is a mechanism
for a host to say
"plugin, show your GUI now". (Incidentally what DSSI does as far as I
know, which isn't very much yet). No embedding, no standard widget set,
no crazy event loop stuff. Let's (gasp!) actually do something that
will get done. (Of course noone is stopping anyone from making an
audio-app-gui-widget library, far from it)
Yep. Exactly. Even on windows/macos, where the toolkit issues do not
exist in the
same way, its still the *host* that creates the top level GUI
resources and integrates them into its own scheme for display
management.
Its out of process. Sounds like torben wants to swallow the plugin UI,
thats kinda neat, didn't think anyone would bother, but we should take
that into account.
steve knows all too well from the gmpi list just how
thorny these
issues are. "let's (gasp!) actually do something that will ge done"
... nice try there dave, but it just *isn't* simple.
Yeah, but most of the issues are political and educational, not
technological.
The LADSPA XML DTD that was posted/edited/discussed
here 2 years ago
would do a lot of what people have described here. But its dead in the
water because it can't do it all. There is no magic bullet here that
does not involve putting a gun to people's head and saying "do things
this way". Oh, and the gun doesn't exist.
It also would be a hell of a lot of work. A decent XForms + SVG
implementation would do a damn good job for plugin UIs too. But, its
just an insane ammount of work.
- Steve