10 Apr
2004
10 Apr
'04
1:42 p.m.
On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 06:14, will(a)malefactor.org wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 04:36:21PM +0200, Kjetil
Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
Yeah, what he said!
Samuel Abels:
<snip>
C++ is crippled?!
> As
nice as Ardour may be, I personaly still prefer the interfaces of
> modern UI toolkits, in combination with a nice Object Oriented language
> (aka C++ :) ).
If you want to write C++, why do you want GTK??? Use a C++-toolkit like Qt.
Despite the fact that this is often discussed as a matter of religion, I
prefer gtkmm because it fits better into the GNOME environment.
Also, this is from the gtkmm-documentation:
http://www.murrayc.com/murray/talks/2002/GUADEC3/notes/html/index.html#id27…
"QT originates from a time when C++ was not standardised or well
supported by compilers. Its design today is still based upon the choices
available at that time, so it does not play well with more up-to-date
code. Development of QT is still effectively closed - There is still no
public development mailing list, and TrollTech have the normal corporate
conservatism. As an open-source project, its design would have been
improved through public debate, and it would have been possible to
jettison the baggage.
So, in essence, gtkmm does it in a more C++ way.
:-) (But please let us
not make this a flame; may everyone be free to choose whatever toolkit
he likes best. ;) )
Then my question becomes:
Why on earth use C++? Use a desent high-level non-crippled language like
lisp, python or ruby. The lowlevel stuff must of course be written in
c/c++ or something, but only a very small amount of multitracker-code is
that low-level. Yes, I have made _huge_ programs in C myself, but that was
only because I was so damned inexperienced and had so damned slow machine
to work on at the time.
Today, where there are so many descent libraries
for
lisp/python/ruby/ada(?)/etc(?), and the machines are so fast,
as good as no one should use c++ for high-level things. You'll
waste time.
Should people have to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware all
the time because programmers want to use the new slow-ass
resource-hogging Scripting Language Of The Day to write their apps?
Because they didn't want to "waste time?"
Yes, this might start a flame-war, but I really
think people
should be aware of the C/C++-stupidness.
--
Too late, I hereby flame you.