7 Aug
2009
7 Aug
'09
12:31 p.m.
On Friday 07 August 2009 10:07:31 Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:14:23AM -0400, Raymond
Martin wrote:
Splitting hairs. The fact that it is security and not justice makes these
cases even more extreme in their betrayal of justice.
There are cases in the US, for instance, where people growing marijuana
for their medical conditions have had their homes seized and never returned.
No justice there. That's real police stuff.
On Friday 07 August 2009 08:56:30 Fons Adriaensen
wrote:
The cases you mention such as border crossings are
all related to security and not to civil justice. Which makes perfect sense. In a civilised society
even
a convicted thief retains all the rights to his legally
acquired property. If any of it has to be seized, for
example to compensate his victims, that action can be
taken only by a court. Not by his victims or some self-
appointed vigilante.
Wow, do you live in some sort of utopia?
Law enforcement in numbers of countries routinely seize peoples property
when they are involved in or allegedly involved in crimes when there are
no real victims involved. People's cars and other belonging are routinely
seized at border crossings if someone is attempting to enter a country
illegally. They never get their things back. No courts involved. So much
for legal property rights.
Regardless of all this: a private person or group
can't ever do this. Only law enforcement or the
justice system can, and in the case of the first
it is temporary (for securtiy or investigation),
and if not it needs confirmation by a court.
Not so. In most cases of seizure at borders (e.g., US/Canada, US/Mexico)
the property is never returned, ever. The people who loose their property
never get a day in court, ever. Look it up, it is a fact.
Raymond