5 Aug
2008
5 Aug
'08
8:59 a.m.
Le 5 août 08 à 12:28, Patrick Shirkey a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 13:09 +0300, Sampo Savolainen
wrote:
Thanks for this feedback. I will try to provide more details. The blog
is only a couple of weeks old so there is still lots of room for
improvement.
"Yet another miracle solution for the energy problem that nodoby ever
found before or maybe *they* already found but just kept it
secret..." that obviously contradict the " 2nd law of physics."... or
maybe even another one??
Are you sure this "stupid" OT discussion should be continued on this
list?
Stephane
Quoting Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com>om>:
According to one resource the first ever piston engine was run on
hydrogen as oil hadn't been discovered when it was built back in
the 17
hundreds. I haven't verified this claim though it does seem plausible.
There were also perfectly good electric cars manufactured by ford
in the
1920's that were eventually taken out of production apparently because
there wasn't enough demand.
Ouch. The blog is just keeping track of recent
developments that
have
been made that use water as a source of fuel.
You're right that hydrogen is the actual power source but as
hydrogen is
very nicely and efficiently compressed into water it make sense
to call
water a fuel.
If you look through the archives you will see that there are people
running motors with water. Straight out of a bottle and run
through this
new circuit that you label childish with enough power to charge a
piston
and spin a rotor.
What bothered me about these experiments that there was absolutely no
description of what they were doing.
You've been able to run cars on hydrogen for decades:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfONpsFvyM
"Enough power to charge a piston and spin a rotor"? Where is that
power
coming from exactly? If you use water as the fuel, you need an
alternative
energy source to extract the oxygen and hydrogen. By the laws of
thermophysics, you will need _more_ energy to do the extraction
than what
you will get from burning the hydrogen (as burning hydrogen is the
exact
opposite reaction).
If they would actually be using water as a fuel for an internal
combustion
engine - they would have invented a perpetual motion device as
their exhaust
would be the same stuff as their fuel. And we all know that's not
possible,
right?
No one is claiming the over unity prize yet. What they have found is a
way to instantly split a water atom and burn the hydrogen at the same
time. It's clearly a very revolutionary concept and appears at first
glance to go against the 2nd law of physics. But there is more to it
than that and the details are only just emerging. However several
people
have claimed they understand what is going on and that it is perfectly
within the laws. I'm not at that point yet but I will make a concerted
effort to understand it so that I can post it on the blog to save
others
some time.
What they are doing is electric motor conversion using hydrogen as
a medium
to use old style engines. I guess that has it's uses. That seems
to be what
the company Jack Nicholson was promoting was trying to do.
This is slightly different but along the same lines. In this case
there
is no need to store hydrogen as it can be instantly extracted from
water
using this new circuit.
The
people doing the research and experimentation are doing it open
source style with limited funding and resources usually in the
garage at
home. It may look unprofessional at first glance but if you look
deeper
you will see there is some very professional work being achieved.
Don't get me wrong. I want nothing more than get rid of our
dependency on
gasoline and other fossil fuels and have non polluting options.
I'd like more details than videos of bubbling canisters and
"exposions".
Open Source means, open source, I just see videos and no
explanation to what
they are doing and _how_. Without explanations the videos look
like playing
around with dangerous things (electricity, hydrogen) for no good
reason.
The MIT stuff is way cool though. That looks like
it could (and
should)
change the way we power our lives. But that's using solar energy
as the
energy store, using water as a battery and hydrogen as a fuel.
I'll try to stop now.
Sampo "OT" Savolainen