14 Jun
2005
14 Jun
'05
12:32 p.m.
Hi,
I have a PlanetCCRMA FC2 system on a Dell Inspiron8200 (P4 1.6G 512 ram)
that works absolutely fantastic, both with the onboard AC97 card and
with the pcmcia Echo Mona Interface. Latency in jack 5.4 ms very
reliably (xruns ocasionally when doing something you know will cause an
xrun, like when returning from the screensaver or dragging quickly many
windows). They are inaudible xruns, and since I'm using my system for
live processing with pd and csound5, this is no problem.
I've also tried dynebolic (www.dynebolic.org) and on the two systems
I've tried works considerably better than agnula live and the suse live
audio cd.
Cheers,
Andres
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 03:50, Jay Vaughan wrote:
I must admit, I
had to double-check that I really am reading the
year-2005 folder of linux-audio-dev, and not some old mails from the
archives. ;) Now that SuSE, Mandrake, Fedora and others have started
to use dmix as the default output plugin, basic desktop sound stuff
should finally start to work, as people expect, out of the box.
it would be great to counter the jwz diatribe with a mass of 'well,
sound works just fine for me' posts from those who do have, and use
daily, a working audio sub-system under linux..
perhaps folks on LAD know of sites which have a positive linux audio
experience slant to them? what LAD needs, maybe, is a tiger campaign
(as in PR, not OSX) to fully push the -successes- and very
interesting audio stuff?
i mean, we should take this jwz thing as a call for jihad against
non-working audio, including the perception of non-working audio, and
such a jihad may be best served by those examples of no-problem
systems coming forward and being demo'ed.
i've mentioned this before, but i think that the front-line promotion
of such wonderment as Ardour and Audacity and Rosegarden needs BOOT
CD-style .iso downloads for the pimps to use in overcoming peoples
'fear of linux audio'. if i can just boot a system on a very well
configured distro and immediately start using Ardour from it, it
won't matter what the config hassles are, later, once i decide to
build my own Linux Audio Workstation: i'll have a standard to compare
to "Which Just Works" (tm). (i know about the Apodio and Demudi
efforts.. so what else are there?)
i'm sure there are LAD'ers whose systems are superlative examples of
well-oiled, finely maintained, working audio workstations. what are
your configs? what distro are you using? what do you do to get it
going?
maybe the fact is: linux audio is in far better state than most
people think, its just that hardly enough of the right kinds of
people know about it. jwz doing his soapbox thing could be
considered destructive in such light, and in fact we may use this to
our advantage to really pimp linux audio, if we have the organized
-facts- and not just feelings..
my latest distro-de-jour is MEPIS. it gives me a boot-up chime on my
DELL Inspiron 8200, whose sound-card 'just works', tho' i have to be
sure not to have any MIDI interfaces or USB Audio gear plugged in
until after KDE gets loaded, or things get numbered incorrectly and
it moans about not knowing where its audio device is any more.
Details like configuring dmix and other plugins,
making sure the
aoss-wrapper is used with OSS apps, etc are important...
as i've only really been very peripherally involved in LAD
development (lurk), i'd be quite happy to volunteer to collate all
the successes and come up with a summary of 'what works well' to pimp
around the neighborhood.
i work in the pro audio industry, it'd sure be nice to have a
collection of boot CD's that i can take, know that work, and slip
into an occasional demo system now and then .. and not just one
authoritative CD experience, but a few others from various sources.
nothing says 'working just fine' more than multiple distro's all
singing the same tune.
As for the API-jungle, yup, that's a problem,
but it's something
really, really hard to avoid in the FOSS world. Just look at the
amount of options for video output when you type "mplayer -vo help"
-- no unified API there either. That's not to say that we should
give up, but getting majority of developers behind a single API will
not be easy...
a lot of times i think that the API mess happens because those who
wrote great API's don't promote them well enough, new folks come
looking for similar scratches to itch, don't see behind the curtain,
and thus re-invent their own wheels. itches, curtains and wheels.
all good for something, but the fat lady hasn't sung yet.
But, but, this is just part of the whole package
developers and
users see. Fortunately there are other areas where FOSS systems have
strengths over the closed competitors. And at least for me, FOSS
systems still provide better overall value... (also for desktop use).
for me too, in fact my life has revolved around using FOSS-based
systems for the last 20 years now, so i'm quite sure of the value to
be gained from actual -use- of these systems.
so, the question i have is: what are the shining examples of audio
setups in linux which work well? might it be something we can make a
list out of, and pimp far and wide? who has some interesting "Known
Working Config" details to provide a counter-example to the jwz mess?