Thanks! This really helped me see straight again :-).
However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature
of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X
world since there are no restrictions as to which platform this software
is run on, and Apple made an explicit move to target open-source
developers and/or users by implementing Darwin and underlying
almost-Unix system.
To me this is a problem. Since, all our efforts and time will not lure
more people to Linux. Rather, our software will (perhaps) become popular
(pro-tools killer or whatever), but not necessarily on a Linux platform.
In the end, we will not reap what we have sown. Users on the OS X will
be theoretically able to run Ardour as much as we will, especially now
that jackd has been ported to OS X. To me, this does not seem right.
I would hence like to propose a new idea and you guys tell me what you
think:
Perhaps we should make a mended version of GPL that would have exact
permissions like the original GPL license, but in addition would ask
that the software cannot be run on top of proprietary OS. This way, we
can make our software indigenous only to free/oss OS's and hence create
unique benefits that come from using Linux (and other open-sourced OS's,
obviously). Now, if we did this, then Linux in the long run would have a
definite advantage. As it stands now, it is only a matter of time before
all of the good linux audio software gets ported to (or ever worse,
becomes fully compatible with) OS X and other proprietary OS's and then
we end up putting all this effort into a community that in the end might
not grow at all, while offering benefits to those who did not chip in
any effort into the movement, nor do they understand the meaning behind
it. This certainly could pose problems for anyone who plans to make a
living in any shape or form associated with Linux and GPL'ed audio
software (Paul?).
What do you think?
Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor
http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico
-----Original Message-----
From: linux-audio-dev-admin(a)music.columbia.edu
[mailto:linux-audio-dev-
admin(a)music.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of R Parker
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:43 PM
To: linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu; linux-audio-
dev(a)music.columbia.edu
Subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] New powermacs?
Hi Ivica,
I'll rant on this for awhile.
I guess it all depends on what you require. There's
little doubt in my mind that the alternatives to linux
based audio production will have to take very serious
measures to compete with a looming problem. That being
pro audio tools that are free from monetary costs and
also developed in an open community that hinges its
entire interest on intellectual freedom and are
technically equal to or superior to their products.
I don't see the 970 64-bit CPUs and built in optical
audio i/o as being much competition. Hardware
performance capabilties improve with the dawning of
each new day.
About a year ago I began to feel a good deal of
anxiety about my decision to pursue a linux based
professional audio solution. I make my living as an
engineer/producer and need a working solution not just
a philosophical day dream. I asked a couple guys what
they thought about my concerns. They convinced to hang
in.
Mac has a new OS and it's a good one. They've got a
DAW that runs natively and it's a good one. But that's
still not enough draw for me because they're closed
source cultures. I believe that if developements
continue as they have during the last couple years the
LAD community will win a big battle.
I think many musicians feel no need or appreciation
for the intellectual freedom that the linux
communities thrive on. They simply want to swing the
hammer and hit the nail. On one hand I can sympathize
with that circumstance. But on the other hand it's
depressing. I believe these people can't call
themselves poets. How can anyone consider themselves
an artist while choosing to support intellectual
slavery? It's rediculous. They're not artists, they're
misled apprentices at best and perhaps no more than
monkey see monkey do automotons.
A studio owner friend came by the other day. I gave
him the LAD, jackd, ardour, jamin pitch. He proceeded
to sing the praises of everything else. I accused him
of living on self pride, magazine advertisements and
of being afraid to admit that his protools investment
was a mistake, etc, etc. He walked away angry. I
thought good, get out of here. He came back 30 minutes
later and said, "Ron, Ardour looks great but not
everyone can be you." What he meant by that is Linux
looms as a large learning curve and that unlike me, he
doesn't have time to figure it out.
It's very interesting that he became honest and
admitted his investments and best effort are a
mistake. Perhaps more importantly he came to terms
with the fact that he's about to commit another large
error by investing further yet into that proprietary
world. Small studios like mine and his can't afford
not to adopt the Linux solutions. After the financial
benefits are realized we can learn to appreciate the
intelectual opportunities.
One problem I became aware during the exchange with my
friend is that Linux is percieved as a technically
difficult solution. That's an interesting perception
and the LAD/LAU communities can deal with it. The
larger Linux community has made a great deal of
progress with this. How hard is it to install Red Hat?
Maybe it's more difficult to configure linux. But it's
alot less painful to purchase and configure x86
hardware, rme cards, and a $2,000.00 digital mixer
than it is to invest in a $15,000.00 Protools setup.
OK, I'll shutup.
ron
--- Ivica Bukvic <ico(a)fuse.net> wrote:
Hi all,
Just heard the news (rumors) of new Macs that are
going to hit the
streets on Monday. Seems like Apple is finally going
to catch-up with
the PC world: there's talk of using IBM's PowerPC
970 64-bit CPU's.
Makes me wonder what repercussions this will have on
the whole LAD/LAU
community, considering that they supposedly will
have built-in optical
audio I/O and with the recent announcement of
Trolltech to make OS X Qt
GPL-ed, leaves less and less advantages in Linux's
favor (apart from the
obvious untouchable open architecture and perhaps
faster growing
user-base -- according to recent news, can't
remember where I exactly I
read it tho, sale of factory-built Linux boxes
should surpass Apple's
this year, and that does not even include people
with home-built
machines and dual-booters).
Please don't get me wrong. I am still in favor of
Linux, obviously due
to its open architecture. But at the same time I am
becoming a bit weary
of having to "hack" my advanced audio settings
rather than use
user-friendly tools. That, coupled with still anemic
direct vendor hw
driver support has really made me pay closer
attention on Macs (as scary
as that sounds). Yet, I feel such a sense of
accomplishment when my
Linux purrs just right with my desktop being
uniquely configured and
tailored to my needs. After all, I am a geek. :-)
And the inner struggle
goes on...
Anyone care to comment or (please) dissuade me from
potentially making a
costly mistake? ;-)
Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor
http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico
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