Re: [LAD] Fwd: Fw: Re: At the hands of Professor Keller and Raymond

On Tuesday 28 July 2009 08:01:36 alex stone wrote: Yes, but that could not be done in this case. Seemingly, people have not been paying attention. The nice approach was tried almost a year ago now. The same obnoxious attitude persists now with the original Impro-Visor side of things, so action had to be taken. When doing the right thing causes people to almost line up against the one in the right, what does that say about those people? Some have not. My thanks go to them, for actually having properly read the GPL and understanding the obligations involved. For others, I believe they are all having some kind of residual effect left over from childhood when parents and adults told them to never quarrel or fight. As if all such attitudes can only lead to bad outcomes. The fact is that civilized societies are built on argument, debate. That is how laws are put into place to make life better. People must argue to make improvements, else we will all be at the mercy of a few with all the power deciding unfairly what is right or wrong for all of us. As opposed to having a democratic process in place that is not supposed to discriminate without proper cause. Try to get past this idea that all arguments are bad, they aren't. They lead to results you won't get if you just sit around on your hands. Such is what happened in this case. If I had interacted with someone like Chris, that would have been great, then things would certainly have worked out better. But that is not the case. I work on other FOSS projects, and aside from one other projects, I have never had any problems like this. The other people I interact with are willing to discuss things, clearly, openly, logically, and without resorting to personal attacks on my character. Disagreements do occur from time to time, but they just do not have the same self-inflated and arrogant motivation I have experience with Impro-Visor. There are lots of projects out there that pretend to be FOSS, using GPL or whatever license. Then when you try to do what you are allowed they react in a very proprietary manner. So there is a phenomena at play with this--some developers riding the free software wagon just so they can claim to be doing that, to get recognition, boost their egos, or whatever. Learn to see this people. It is very scummy behavior that deserves no less than being attacked and shamed into compliance. In fact, these are the exact tactics that various GPL legal defender organizations use. So what I have done is completely inline with them. Anybody who thinks otherwise has not done their homework. So please go do some research before putting in your comments that fall on the side of defending a violator. Never mind the warm fuzzy feelings you want, get results. Impro-Visor has made it impossible to cooperate, never mind the seemingly nice attitude pretentiously given by those on that side about the issue. Only the facts count. And the fact remains that Impro-Visor is still violating the GPL. Go check for yourself, don't take my word for it. You will know who is really right when you realize that this is a consistent pattern of behavior on their part. Don't be fooled by childish excuses that sound like someone telling their primary school teacher they forgot their homework. Responsibility first, responsibility! Raymond P.S. Bob kicked me off his Yahoo group with this "new" release he just made. Why would he do that? He never let me post any message previously without censoring or dumping them. So I haven't even sent any that might be questionable to him since last year because of this. He is just trying to prevent me from getting at the files he is releasing. Apparently he must be afraid of something or doing something wrong. And he is, GPL violations still exist on that group with this release. Go check for yourselves. Can you see more now the kind of person he is?