16 Jul
2010
16 Jul
'10
11:26 a.m.
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Thursday 15 July 2010 01:14:45 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Btw. I tested my own music.
First I played inside songs from other people a Ralf-mastering of my own
music.
Most people didn't like my song.
Some weeks later I played the same song inside other songs from other
people by a loudness-war-mastering.
Most people liked the song.
Playing the same song two times can't be called heavy rotation, hence
they were not accustomed to my song, but they need a bad mastering to be
fine with this song.
A blind study is useless regarding to musical issues.
Or do you think we should start mixing music optimised to loudness,
because tests show that the audience prefers music without dynamic?
;)
Ralf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200,
fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome and
your audience.
You would expect Audiophiles to spot the "super sounding" denon cables by
listening, right? Yet a blind test showed the opposite. The test was to
identify which audio take was played with denon-cables, el-cheapo cables from
walmart and a bended cloth-hanger. If they where as good as they claimed, the
denon-cable should get hits with probability significantly better then 1/3,
otherwise its just luck.
Guess what the outcome was: There was a significant hit: But they spotted the
cloth-hanger as the denon-cable. Thats what real experts do...
Do the listening test with as many people as possible and then show the
results. And only afterwards start the speculations what the reason and the
effects might be. (Thats called science btw.)
Have fun,
Arnold Apart from that, it remains to be seen if *real*
timing errors of
+/- 2 ms do 'destroy the groove'. To test this, make the same
recording
- without jitter,
- with 1 ms jitter,
- with 2 ms jitter,
- with 3 ms jitter.
and check if listeners are able to identify which is which,
or at least to put them into order.
I know very gifted musicians who do like me
and they always 'preach'
that I should stop using modern computers and I don't know much averaged
people. So the listeners in my flat for sure would be able to hear even
failure that I'm unable to hear.