4 Mar
2012
4 Mar
'12
6:48 p.m.
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 08:38 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
The thing is, reality has turned MIDI in practice to everything being
learn-based (except notes) anyway. Most of the crap in MIDI can just go
away, since the use case is "send a whatever with a number(s) in it
somewhere the receiver can pick up on".
There are a few things that need to be standardized, like notes and
transport control, but I think everything having a universal meaning is
at best dubious, and likely a mistake. It is inevitable that you need
learn and/or controller mappings anyway, so the protocol can be a simple
description of what's happening on the *sender*. What the receiver does
with it is its own business.
This is a pretty controller-centric opinion, but I don't think OSC is
really good for much beyond that anyway, and the only cases that it
might be (controlling Pd and such) the (power) user is designing their
own messages anyway so it's a non-issue.
-dr
On 3/4/12, J. Liles <malnourite(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
To me, one of the primary limitations about MIDI is the lack of ability
to control individual notes. For example, a good protocol could let you
start at C, slide up to A, do some vibrato, etc., e.g. you could draw
lines in your sequencer.
Identifying the note by frequency would preclude this. Note numbers are
better.
I personally don't think that the way notes
are encoded is the primary
limitation imposed by MIDI. A note is a frequency, an attack/decay
modulation, and a duration.
apparently you're forgetting or have not been a part of the many
debates with the music technology community about how to define "a
note". personally i'm happy with what you wrote, but i know several
people who have made cogent arguments that defining notes in terms of
frequencies completely misses one of the most musical semantics. The way OSC is
used, and in libmapper in particular, is to say things
about the input device, not the music, which, as far as the input
device is concerned, doesn't exist.
as as receiver of OSC, i'd be entirely happy with such a standard. the
problem for users is that it leaves the mappings unspecified, and
although there are some clever solutions for this (several of them),
from a user's perspective it always adds an extra layer of complexity.
contrast with MIDI, where almost all the messages that most people
will generate have a defined meaning even from the sender's
perspective (though sure, the receiver can still map it to something
else if it wants to).